Weird. Thought I had replaced those "shit"s with "stuff"s. Meh. Anywho, have at me, guys.

Just STFU and vote for Obama.

because they're too easy a target?

you're an anti-troll?

you're a bob barr fan?

ron paul?

you eat red meat?

you live in a woodframe house?

drive a gas guzzler?

WUH?

you want libtards to do something beyond their capability of thinking for themselves?

...stop me when i get close...

Ah c'mon, even if you DID guess the right reason in that giant pile I couldn't give it to you, Nanc.

McCain's negative campaign is helping the Democrats.

Thanks, John

McCain's negative campaign is helping the Democrats.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-13 12:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

And I'll never lift a finger to disapprove of him doing so, either.

Thanks SOHEIFOX!

McCain's doing a wonderful job of finishing up the job of losing the election for and by himself.

you're saying we'll get the "pity" vote?

yeah, as if.

BUT, conservatives will take the election any way we can get it - same as the other side!

Sohe you are the traitor unless you vote Obama. Try to get past your bigotry.

i guessed it...

stfu, ninja. stop projecting.

awesome post, btw.

ninja - a traitor cannot be someone who votes their heart and conscience.

"I am a liberal, I always have been and I always will be."

"But I'm aware enough of my surroundings ...."

Sorry, Shoe-in-Mouth, but these two statements are inconsistent.

the left sounds like the national enquirer?

the only people who buy national enquirer are lonely, fat women in curlers in the grocery line at the grocers?

Hey, thanks for making my point, Jackass!!

Once more, If an undecided voter gets it into his head that the likes of bOoB or Rastaninja are the face of Obama supporters, they are just going to vote for a Republican out of spite for the mentality they believe his followers have.

Sorry, Shoe-in-Mouth, but these two statements are inconsistent.

#15 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-13 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Vern, why don't you go "sew" your field some more?

Sohe, if Obama loses every dead soldier means more blood on your hands.

ninja - a traitor cannot be someone who votes their heart and conscience.

#14 | Posted by nanc

Coming from the person who admittedly supports the old jim crow laws.

Sohe, if Obama loses every dead soldier means more blood on your hands.

#20 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-10-13 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Go away, you rightwing sockpuppet. I've said it before, and I'm bored of saying it, everyone with a brain can see right through you. You're boring.

"If an undecided voter gets it into his head that the likes of bOoB or Rastaninja are the face of Obama supporters,"

Shoe-in-Mouth,

The problem of your frustration comes from the fact that You are the one out of step with the current Democlown Party.

Boob and Ninja are the true face, and true voice, of Liberals today. Petty, nasty, ugly and void of any semblance of decency.
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As for 'sewing' that post was a plant, and you know it. I was trying to see how long it would take for someone to catch it. You illustrate the modern face of Liberalism: Petty, vulgar, humorless and whiny.

So, you will vote for Osama after all

And for everyone else, night! I promise I'll come back here and fight with ya'all tomorrow afternoon or so. Until then.. have at me.

As for 'sewing' that post was a plant, and you know it. I was trying to see how long it would take for someone to catch it. You illustrate the modern face of Liberalism: Petty, vulgar, humorless and whiny.

So, you will vote for Osama after all

#23 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-13 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone here actually believe Vern when he says that? Anyone? Honestly.

The problem of your frustration comes from the fact that You are the one out of step with the current Democlown Party.

Boob and Ninja are the true face, and true voice, of Liberals today. Petty, nasty, ugly and void of any semblance of decency.

#23 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-13 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

See, that's the thing though. I honestly hope that's not true. I tend to think that allowing someone as dirty as Obama into office was an oversight. Anxiety, overeager. Too eager to prove America isn't racist to actually wait for someone who is qualified and has shown dedication to the ideals of the liberal movement to step up. I want the Democrats to get better, to correct their mistakes. I tend to think they're not so far gone as the Republicans.

(sorry, NOW I'm off to bed)

"I tend to think they're not so far gone as the Republicans."

I tend to think both major parties are the product of the American culture.

If you know your history you know that America goes through a major renewal about every 60 years. Things are so bleak right now because America is at the bottom of the trough, and will have to stay there a while before the next Great Awakening.

"I feel it's about time I explain why I make the posts I do here."

Nobody cares. Get over yourself.

You illustrate the modern face of Liberalism: Petty, vulgar, humorless and whiny.

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Does anyone here actually believe Vern when he says that? Anyone? Honestly.

Yes, it's true. You are the face of modern Liberal theology.

"Nobody cares. Get over yourself.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-10-13 01:23 AM | Reply | Flag:HYPOCRISY"

why? you obviously can't.

"Coming from the person who admittedly supports the old jim crow laws.

#21 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-10-13 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:dumbashiite"

well now - i'm not of the persuasion who sold my own relatives into slavery now, am i? you're so low on the stupid scale you have to reach up to touch bottom.

" Posted by nanc at 2008-10-13 01:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Dumbshit

WTF are you talking about?

what are YOU talking about?

Posted by nanc at 2008-10-13 02:08 AM

Yawn. I'm not going to waste time talking to children. Make your point or STFU.

SOHEIFOX

You haven't been around here long.

After the level of destruction Bush has brought to America, the right wingers have been posting "He's a terrorist" bullshit for the year + I've been posting here.

Sorry, your thread falls on deaf ears. So does your claim to be a liberal. Vote for whoever you want to. It's like a vote for McCain.

Palin is an insult to America. It shows how little McCain really cares about the U.S. to put her a heartbeat potentially away from the presidency without properly even vetting her.

He lost the last remnants of respect my wife and I used to have for him, and at one time it was pretty substantial. His rallies have turned into hate fests. He, his campaign, and his followers here get no respect from me. Not after Bush and Karl Rove politics. After awhile you just get tired of the right wing pukes who could really care less about anything but winning.

Please stop helping the Republicans!

I feel it's about time I explain why I make the posts I do here. I am a liberal, I always have been and I always will be. I cannot personally vote for Obama because I find him to be a traitor to my ideals.

Wow, starting a thread off with a lie (or a gop chain email). Can't be a good omen for what will follow. I've read your posts. The role of the right wing 'fair and balanced poster' has already been taken by JEFFJ. You guys could fight it out. I suggest a cage fight.

"Does anyone here actually believe Vern when he says that? Anyone? Honestly."

Nope. No one actually believes vern when he says that. He didn't earn the moniker "vern's calculator" for nothing.

"Wow, starting a thread off with a lie (or a gop chain email). Can't be a good omen for what will follow. I've read your posts. The role of the right wing 'fair and balanced poster' has already been taken by JEFFJ. You guys could fight it out. I suggest a cage fight."

LOL!

I'm trying to defend her from stupid shit like this because STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS IS ONLY HELPING THE REPUBLICANS.

How do you know that the constant stream of negative stories about Palin is not causing her current 36 approval, 58 disapproval rating? What matters to you is not necessarily what matters to other voters.

I think Palin's use of her child as a prop matters. It's not one of the big issues of the campaign by any stretch of the imagination, but it's worth noting as we size up her character.

She's not only using Piper, but her infant daughter as well.

I feel bad for her kids. Kids she didn't feel could handle the truth about their trip to Dayton, OH for her 'coming out' as VP publicly. She and Todd told the kids it was a "20th Anniversary" celebration. Imagine her pregnant daughter being surprised to find she'd be trotted out in front of the whole world.

BTW

That's completely at odds with her statement to Sean Hannity that she put running for VP 'to a vote' of her daughters - which in Palin's words they gleefully yes to.

She told a completely different tale to Charles Gibson. "I didn't blink".

null - the point would be lost on you unless it were atop your head.

"Libtards"?

NANC is maturing.

My problem with Palin is pretty much the same one I've always had with Bush---I've met their kind of people before.

The ones that claim credit when someone else has done the work; the ones that take revenge on co-workers. The ones that give an order privately and then when nothing works out pubplically deny they said anything at all.

Voting for Palin would be silly. I'd expect those who do vote for her are naifs or simply persons who enjoy being kicked around.

What was the point of this thread?

But don't tell me, please.

SITDOWN

I couldn't get the point.

SOHEIFOX doesn't want the Republicans to get help, but he's voting 3rd party. I'd hate to venture a guess why, but he lives in ... Montana (you fill in your own reasons. I have mine).

So, he's gonna help the Republicans.

SITDOWN

I couldn't get the point.

SOHEIFOX doesn't want the Republicans to get help, but he's voting 3rd party. I'd hate to venture a guess why, but he lives in ... Montana (you fill in your own reasons. I have mine).

So, he's gonna help the Republicans.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-13 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

I used to think the same way. I used to think that I would be doing the country a favour by voting for the lesser of two evils. I perpetuated the EXACT SAME MYTH that you are. I got angry at people in 2000, saying that Nader "cost us the Presidency". Like I said in another thread, the FISA vote pushed me over the edge. That act of complete party treachery showed me Obama didn't give a shit about anything but ensuring Obama gets more power. He promised us he would filibuster against such a heinous attack on the Constitution. Instead, he voted for it.

I guess it's disingenuous to say that pushed me over the edge. Because it wasn't Obama's treachery that did it. As soon as I heard about it, I thought my party would be up in arms. I thought there would be people darn near rioting. I thought Obama would end up having to hold a press conference explaining his actions. Instead, I heard some people get mildly annoyed, and then nothing about it at all. When it was brought up later, people would give some weak-ass excuse about him voting that way to help him get elected. Mt party, the party of civil rights, the party of privacy, the party of _the Constitution_... had given him a pass, saying it was a "political move".

That divorced me from my ideals. I realized that I could not accept that answer. I can accept irresponsibility (Clinton), I can accept hyperbole (Al Gore), I can even except being downright boring, (Kerry). But I cannot accept someone who will not use his position to defend my Constitutional rights. That shit is supposed to be SOLELY the realm of the Republicans. Obama has proven himself; while still the LESSER of evils.. to be a heinous evil indeed. Finding out about his past dealings, the dirty campaigns he has run in the past? That simply added more weight against him.

And so help me, I have to admit one of the Republican talking points got through as well, but mostly because of Obama's actions. Jeremiah Wright. Rather then be a man and state, "Yes, I know Wright holds these views. But he speaks to my heart the voice of God. Though he is an imperfect man, a sinner, like all of us, his church is the house of worship my family calls home." (Christians help me out here, that woulda been pretty much the right verbiage, correct?) Instead, the weaselly liar claimed to have gone there for 20 years and never have noticed that.. oh but he was leaving the church anyway.

I decided that, at least for my vote, you have to try harder. I'm no longer giving the Democrats my vote by default. They have to earn it. Who am I to decide this? Just one voter. Shades of ol' Ronnie here, but I did not leave the Democrat party. The Democrat party left _me_. I have higher standards. I do not want McCain in office. I ALSO do not want Obama in office. Can you people understand that? It's not a matter of my actions helping McCain into office. It's too late to salvage that. If McCain gets into office, you Obama supporters have caused that. You should have thought about this before you raged and frothed for a dirty candidate more interested in his own power then the rights of his constituency. I make fun of Biden but hell, even _he_ woulda got my vote. A quick scan of his politics shows him to not be EVIL. I don't really blame him for the reason I rip on him. I wouldn't turn down a VP nomination either. I wouldn't care that the President candidate was unqualified and dirty. That's the VP, man. That means in 4 or 8 more years I'd be the incumbent.

I find myself looking at Nader's candidacy and his platform makes more and more sense. This guy's a TRUE liberal. We don't agree on all points, and the man himself is an arrogant egomaniacal twit, but he DOESN'T SELL OUT HIS PRINCIPLES JUST FOR MORE POWER and that's very important to me. I'm not so naive to think a perfect politician will ever come along, but Nader is actually closer to it then Obama.

Anywho, that longwinded stuff.. THAT is why I can't hold myself personally responsible for a McCain presidency. Every man has a line that can't be crossed. Obama didn't just cross it, but he took a fullblown running leap over it, and then made a sickening excuse for doing it, which was swallowed up whole without question by a party of sycophants. The independants won't elect McCain, the Democrats will. After Bush's performance the polls should be showing about 80/20. The Democrats screwed up. Horribly.

Give it a rest. You have zero credibility with me anymore

You were talking the same crap before the FISA bill ever came up for a vote.

I do not want McCain in office. I ALSO do not want Obama in office. Can you people understand that? It's not a matter of my actions helping McCain into office.

That's what all the Nader voters in 2000 told themselves too.

Adios

Give it a rest. You have zero credibility with me anymore

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

There's a big loss. And wtf? No ObamaBoy link?

How do you know that the constant stream of negative stories about Palin is not causing her current 36 approval, 58 disapproval rating? What matters to you is not necessarily what matters to other voters.

I think Palin's use of her child as a prop matters. It's not one of the big issues of the campaign by any stretch of the imagination, but it's worth noting as we size up her character.

#39 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-13 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Call it a gut feeling, Rogers, if you have to. I just think that a campaign like McCain/Palin shouldn't ever be polling above 20%. To me, that means the media/the democrats are doing something HUGELY, HORRIBLY wrong. Look at the Retort, Rogers. Since the day they announced Sarah, I have never seen less then 4 headlines with her name on them. I trudge into them and check them out dutifully enough, and half of them turn out to be useless crap. You say you think that using her child is an issue to you?

I doubt the people at large care. It looks to me like the kids are having the time of their lives and that's not going to hurt her campaign. Your average parent probably looks at that and goes, "Well, they're on a heck of an adventure, chanc eof a lifetime. They probably have tutors keeping the kids caught up in school." Nobody really seems to give a crap about good parenting these days. For a while there I heard the Republicans crying about how they were sick of Obama's daughters. (Though it turns out there was nowhere near an equal usage of children, and it seems they're just being crazy.)

You know what I think is giving her low numbers? Her lackluster debate performance. Her habit of running off at the mouth and saying ridiculous things. Her inability to handle being interviewed by a spritely sparkly creature of the wood who tossed her softballs. I think THESE things, the real things with actual substance, are what is hurting her.

She actually hit me pretty high when I first heard of her, and the way she was packaged she actually seemed like the one person in this worth having in office, but then she opened her mouth and I found her to be useless. The woman failed to live up to her own hype. However, I also believe that piling onto her with things that don't matter, that have NO substance, are why her numbers are still as good as they are.

Give it a rest. You have zero credibility with me anymore

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-13 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your opinion doesn't matter to me. Do you know why? Because you support a dirty candidate who doesn't care to defend our rights. You are more concerned with getting someone with a "D" after their name into office then you are with whether that person is actually worthy of it. I don't care if Obama supporters don't give me credibility.

It's irrelevant what those who support a traitor think of those who refuse to.

ATTACKING PALIN ON STUFF THAT IS RIDICULOUSLY INACCURATE OR DOESN'T MATTER ONLY WINS HER SYMPATHY AND MAKES THE DEMOCRATS LOOK BAD.

Scoreboard bitch!

You're wrong!

End of discussion.

Like I said, SOHEIFOX

You were spouting the same lines long before the FISA vote about something else, so no go bro

Sorry your panties are in a wad. Millions of others aren't willing to see a Bush term 3 because they got their panties in a wad over one bill.

It was going to pass anyway, or didn't you read that part?

You were spouting the same lines long before the FISA vote about something else, so no go bro

Sorry your panties are in a wad. Millions of others aren't willing to see a Bush term 3 because they got their panties in a wad over one bill.

It was going to pass anyway, or didn't you read that part?

#56 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-13 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

I already said I didn't like him. So did Corky, at the time. So what? I wans't behind him before but I was fully willing to pull the D lever and just feel dirty. THAT is what I was saying before the FISA thing. I know how I've always felt about this. I always said Hillary was better. So did Corky, if you remember. What I said was the FISA thing pushed me over the edge, now I find him to be totally without merit. Difference is Corky is more loyal to the Democrat party then to the ideals it's supposed to represent, so Corky changed allegiances.

Where do you get this magical thing wherein I wasn;t saying what I was saying? I know it makes you feel better to believe that the FISA thing is just an "excuse", but you're just wrong. You are trying to blame it SOLELY on my dislike of the man, whereas I am saying that dislike sure didn't help him, and FISA PUSHED IT OVER THE EDGE. That there is a point with every man you cannot cross, and Obama took a running leap over it.

His FISA vote was not only a direct LIE to his supporters, it was also treachery to the very ideals of a Liberal. And people like you excuse that. I think even if you get the lying sleaze into office, it won't be as bad as McCain but it will sitll be _really bad_. You will find out that a traitor does not change his stripes.

And shame on you for supporting a traitor.

That's what all the Nader voters in 2000 told themselves too.

#51 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Riiiight. Much easier to blame nader, even after all this time, than to get to the real heart of the issue.

Talk about blinders.

I consider it far more traitorous for McCain to have begun the talk of war with Iraq 2 weeks after 9/11.

Here...I'll shed a tear over Montana's 3 electoral votes.

Maybe Obama will win North Dakota's 3. He just polled ahead of McCain there.

God, you're on a high horse. Something you probably know a lot about cowboy.

I consider so many acts by the Bush Administration to be traitorous I lost count. But, YOU .... You get your panties in a wad over one vote to the exclusion of all other 'liberal' causes .... you the big 'liberal'. Maybe in Montana they consider that anyone to the left of Dick Cheney. Must e.

Well I see this person Soheifox is the one who thought we'd like to see his wedding pictures.

His grudge against Obama seems extremely thin. "Traitor"? Don't be daft.

I told you I didn't want to know more about the point of this thread but I just had to check back.

My point is simple:

If you are willing to call yourself a "Liberal" as I am there is no problem:

You Vote. For Obama/Biden.

And if, by making negative comments on McCain or Palin HERE on this site, you think people are affecting anybody's vote I believe you are mistaken to the extent that you possibly need help.

-Difference is Corky is more loyal to the Democrat party then to the ideals it's supposed to represent

I see my name is being taken in vain.

Single issue voters are usually just looking for an excuse. Lots of Lefties disagreed with Obama on that vote, but most of them are not dumb enough to cut off their nose to spite their face.

"Obama came down on the side of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who argued that a provision in the new law reaffirmed that FISA, and that act's courts, gives the final say over government spying. President Bush has argued that a war-time chief executive has powers that trump FISA.

"It restores FISA and existing criminal wiretap statutes as the exclusive means to conduct surveillance -- making it clear that the President cannot circumvent the law," Obama said today."

Rather then be a man and state,

Nader is actually closer to it then Obama.

D" after their name into office then you are with whether that person

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Is there a brain disorder among republicans that makes them incapable of using "then" and "than" correctly? Maybe it's a toomah.

Difference is Corky is more loyal to the Democrat party then to the ideals it's supposed to represent

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And again. It's THAN, idiot.

Soheifox,

I wasn't going to comment on this but I couldn't help it.

So you are a true liberal , huh? Ok, fine, so you haven't ever had a candidate that you agree with? Did you agree with 'The Great Society' principals? It doesn't matter.

Do you actually think that people get to choose absolutely? No, people have to pick the best of the two evils. That's the way the system works.

I am an independent and there has never been a candidate that i agree with, never. I voted for raygun and i voted for bill clinton. I used to associate with the republican party, back before they became religious under raygun.

Now, I am supporting Obama for 2 reasons. 1 is I like him as a person, he reminds me alot of Bill clinton (only without his penis hanging out) and 2 is that it is time to get rid of the neo-cons assholes.

So get off your purist ass and do something, anything.

"it is time to get rid of the neo-cons assholes."

Good enough reason for me. Time to take out the garbage.

or in your case - bring it in...

So get off your purist ass and do something, anything.

#65 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-13 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

We're both doing something. You are voting for a traitor and believing his lies, though his actions have amply proven he is not a man of his word. Obama talks a good game, but when it comes right down to it, he does not follow up.

I'm waiting for someone to earn my vote. I believe it's time for the Democrats to stop taking votes for granted, and actually earn them.

I'm waiting for someone to earn my vote. I believe it's time for the Democrats to stop taking votes for granted, and actually earn them.

#68 | Posted by soheifox

That's not going to happen as long as it works just to be one or two percent better than their major party competitor.

Good Dems can have differences of opinion on highly charged issues. Assigning the terms, "traitor" and "lying sleeze" merely because one disagrees is just immature. (since it's not in a primary, lmao!)

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-13 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The democratic party stands for the rights assured in the Constitution. The Democrat party also believes in bringing those who defy those rights to justice. The FISA vote is the direct opposite of these VERY MAJOR things that the Democrats stand for. That is a traitorous action. There is no other way to define it. That is not a one issue thing. That is not a minour thing in the slightest. That means that when it came down to testing Obama's principles, he turned traitor instantly.

Then, we have the fact that he promised to filibuster the thing. He did not JUST promise not to vote for it, he promised to do everything in his power to STOP it. When it came time to test his integrity in keeping his word, he failed. That means he is a liar.

When he disqualified his opponents because many of the signatures required to get them on the ballot were printed instead of written in cursvie, that was a sleazy move.

That makes him a lying, traitorous sleaze. Do you get it? Obama talks a good game, but WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TEST HIS RESOLVE, HE FAILS. He betrayed one of the core values of the Democratic party, and everyone just gave him a pass. What blows my mind is that, unlike the residents of Chicago, you have his past record of actions to go on. You all KNOW he is unprincipled and weak, and you're supporting him anyway.

And to the above person who called McCain a traitor? Nah. The only way to be a traitor to the Republican side of things is to be willing to allow abortions, welfare-to-work, public school funding, and countless other things that actually HELP people continue to exist. In case you hadn't noticed, it's pretty much anything goes on that side of the aisle; they gave up their principles decades ago. How else can a man caught soliciting gay sex in a stall still be held up as some kind of paragon of family virtues?

I'm simply hoping that the Dems can still be salvaged. Here's a headsup for you, and why I might grudgingly throw my vote to Nader. Though he is an egomaniacal twit, can anyone show me evidence of him EVER having anything less then 100% integrity? It seems to me that Nader doesn't say he'll do one thing, and then ACTUALLY do another. I may not agree with Nader 100%, but I believe that he will actually stick to his principles.

Unlike Obama.

McCain? Don't make me laugh. How can you stick to something that isn't there?

-The FISA vote is the direct opposite of these VERY MAJOR things that the Democrats stand for. That is a traitorous action

Sooooo, Pelosi is also a traitor to the Dem party? And every other Dem who voted for it?

You may find, as you grow up, that not every person or thing in life is going to agree with you 100 percent, and when they don't, it won't be because they are evil; it is just a disagreement.

Sooooo, Pelosi is also a traitor to the Dem party? And every other Dem who voted for it?

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-13 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're right. And you bet your ass I've been campaigning locally against Baucus as well.

Sooo, you ARE a one issue wonder.

Can't have it both ways.

If telling the truth about Sarah Palin gets her some sympathy votes, that's sad. But surely no one should expect me to stop telling the truth about the Alaska Airhead because of THAT... herm

Sooo, you ARE a one issue wonder.

Can't have it both ways.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2008-10-13 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

You might wanna do some research on that. We here in Montana have this weird thing, we have Republicans and Libertarians that have D's after their names. For pete's sake, Baucus' platform in 02 was that his opponent was GAY. What the heck is that guy doing with a D after his name anyway? Not to mention he likes to just make shit up at random, and then deny he ever said it. We have a saying here in Montana, "If Max Baucus says the sun came up today, the first thing you do is go out and see for yourself."

Are you gonna sit there and tell me Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi _isn't_ a traitor to her party? As for everyone else, I don't give a crap. I can't effect their campaigns, so why bother? Every Democrat who voted yes on FISA committed a traitorous act to the left. Plain and simple, that's exactly what it was. Are some of them worth salvaging? Probably. Do I know if they are or are not? ....no. Do I care about senators from other states? Not really.

Do I care about the _Speaker of the House_ and the nominee for President? You bet I do. I weighed them in the scales and found them wanting. It's honestly weird to find myself saying Nader is the best man for.... any job.. but here I am, believing that just might be the case.

Nader has a record of integrity. Whether it's going to gain or lose him popularity or not, he has a bunch of very liberal guns and he is sticking to them.

Obama has a record of wanting only what's best for Obama's political career.

SOHEIFOX

Tester seems like a decent chap. What's your opinion of him? I know your state likes more conservative politicians. So, electing a 'liberal' (as though there are many left in the U.S.) would ever be a possibility in your neck of the woods.

would never be a possibility

I honestly can't complain about Jon Tester. Frankly, I'm surprised he got elected here. From his stance on the Patriot Act, trade, and the bailout (boo, hiss.. the act, not his vote on it) he's quite the lefty.

Now mind you, he's against gay marriage and thinks that Flag Burning isn't protected speech.. he's, in fact, almost obsessed with stopping people form burning the flag, but I'll never agree 100% with anyone. I'm fairly certain the dope also voted Yes on the FISA thing, but overall he skews a lot more left then right, and he's never lied to his constituency that I'm aware of.

He's spoken in defense of firearm ownership and I'm inclined to agree with him. Frankly, I don't understand how restricting firearms even became an issue that's associated with liberals. You'd think liberals would be for LESS regulation on guns, not MORE.

But yeah, overall, I've got no complaints about Tester.

Oh and yes, I am going on the record as saying that Tester did commit a traitorous act to his party. He's also one of the salvageable people, though. (Unless I'm wrong about Tester's vote on it, in which case I'm a dumbass and should read more before forming an opinion.. cause my being wrong means I shoulda estimated him higher)

Tester's stances sound like Obama's.

There are very few 'liberals' left in America.

I have a gun. I don't want to take them from any law abiding citizen, but I do want all of them licensed so we know the right people have them. The fight against gun show rules baffles me. What's to stop some guy from loading up his trunk and selling them to whoever will pay the most? A waiting period of a few days shouldn't bother any law abiding citizen. I had to wait. I was happy to because I knew it would be that much harder for someone who shouldn't have one to get a gun.

Almost everything else you mentioned is just about exactly where Obama stands on the issues. So, I"m ahving a little trouble seeing your virulent point of view about him .... unless there are other factors playing into your opposition. Because issue-wise there isn't much difference between Tester and Obama. What gives?

Almost everything else you mentioned is just about exactly where Obama stands on the issues. So, I"m ahving a little trouble seeing your virulent point of view about him .... unless there are other factors playing into your opposition. Because issue-wise there isn't much difference between Tester and Obama. What gives?

#80 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-13 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tester never said he would do everything in his power to prevent something, and then just roll over and do the opposite to increase his political power. Tester never subverted the will of the voters to run unopposed. Tester didn't leave his church of 20 years, pretending he had never known what kind of church it was.

I know Obama and Tester have similar stands on the issues. The problem is, when Tester says he takes a stand on something, I believe he is telling the truth. It believe Tester has strong integirty. I don't believe Obama for one second on what he says about his stances on any issues. I don't believe Obama actually BELIEVES what he says he does. That's the difference. Integrity. Tester has given me no reason to doubt his, and Obama has given me no reason to believe he has any.

I also believe the typosis is strong in me today.

Your posts sound very strange to me. You will get no argument from me no matter how you decide (to vote) as long as you think you know what you are doing.

But that's not it. It seems you are wanting someone to convince you or to help you find justification.

Take the following staement; Obama has a record of wanting only what's best for Obama's political career. There has never been a politician that this doesn't apply to.

Take the following staement; Obama has a record of wanting only what's best for Obama's political career. There has never been a politician that this doesn't apply to.

#83 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-13 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

...Ralph Nader. Doesn't change his views around randomly just to gain political power. Has integrity. He's an egomaniac, but he sticks to his guns. When he gives his word on something, it's ironclad. I've never seen Nader lie, in my entire life.

David Paterson, never did it either. Heck the guy even flatout admitted he had cheated on his wife and they were working through it before anyone else could dig it up. Plus, didya know he's blind? I'm a supporter of the guy, and it took a few weeks of watching him make speeches and take press conferences to notice that. It's just not an issue. And frankly, if I didn't see his face, I would never have known he was black, either. Unlike Obama, he never brings it up. It's just not an issue.

That took me a few seconds to think of two. Next question?

Nader? Integrity? Talk about koolaid drinkers.