Well, at least we know The Surge is working.

Religion of peace huh. Christians stopped converting by the sword something like 400-300 years ago guys, get with the program.

We could let those Christians who are being persecuted in Iraq come to the USA and then libs could insult them because of their religion.

#3 | Posted by fwthom

what a great ideal!!!!

i wanna be first. they can regale me with stories of how their particular god has forsaken them.

the muslim god must be stronger in that zip code.

Christians worshiped freely under Saddam.

Another justification for the Righies shot all to hell. It must royally suck being a Bushite. Was it worth it Bushites??? Your Illegal War of Aggression Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Shmucks.

Larry

Wait... Oops. I read this and thought they were talking about Obama's X-church.

"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things...stuff happens"
-Donald Rumsfeld

Mission Accomplished!!

the muslim god must be stronger in that zip code.

#4 | Posted by Lipzoidial

I'm absolutely sure it's the result of gerrymandering.

oops, FWTHOM's attempt at deflection didn't work...again. It must suck to be him so stupid AND so wrong, so often.

"Religion is stupid, worthless shit for morons."
-Zatiochi

What an intolerant, intolerable bitch you are, Zatiochi.

People fear for their lives and you shit on them.

Thank you for your atheistic compassion.

KIRK

Nice try, but I've found that atheists are too narrow minded to be reasoned with. Too sure of themselves to admit that they may be wrong about something.

Spanish Inquisition

The trial
The inquisitorial process consisted of a series of hearings, in which both the denouncers and the defendant gave testimony. A defense counsel was assigned to the defendant, a member of the tribunal itself, whose role was simply to advise the defendant and to encourage them to speak the truth. The prosecution was directed by the fiscal. Interrogation of the defendant was done in the presence of the Notary of the Secreto, who meticulously wrote down the words of the accused. The archives of the Inquisition, in comparison to those of other judicial systems of the era, are striking in the completeness of their documentation. In order to defend themselves, the accused had two possibilities: abonos (to find favourable witnesses) or tachas (to demonstrate that the witnesses of accusers were not trustworthy).

In order to interrogate the accused, the Inquisition made use of torture, but not in a systematic way. It was applied mainly against those suspected of Judaism and Protestantism, beginning in the 16th century. For example, Lea estimates that between 1575 and 1610 the court of Toledo tortured approximately a third of those processed for heresy.[33] In other periods, the proportions varied remarkably. Torture was always a means to obtain the confession of the accused, not a punishment itself. It was applied without distinction of sex or age, including children and the aged.

The 'Purge'......errr....Surge is working!

Nice try, but I've found that atheists are too narrow minded to be reasoned with. Too sure of themselves to admit that they may be wrong about something.

#12 | Posted by NJDevil

I could have sworn you were talking about the plastic "Christians" who can find an obscure verse in the Bible to justify just about any hateful thing they want to do or say.

Christians worshiped freely under Saddam.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

And had running water, electricity, law and order.

I was penpals with an Iraqi since the first Gulf War; back then he was cheering the US on. Recently, he's hated us. Now, he is a corpse. He was a murse, and apparently died in a crossfire.

Just sayin'. I think the views of what we did FOR Iraq over here are vastly different from their view of what we've done TO Iraq. This influx of extremist Muslim whackjobs is honestly our fault. It doesn;t surprise me in the slightest Xtians are chased out. To your average Muslim.. fundy or not.. ALL Christians are implicit in Iraq's current troubles. To them, we are one big evil Christian nation, or whatever.

I'm sorry to hear about your penpal, SOHEIFOX

Our invasion far more destruction and death than they ever had under Saddam, and made Iran a player in the region in the process.

Sad. Really sad.

My Uncle went to Iraq in the 80s.

He said it was one hell of a cool place. No religious nuttism whatsoever. Anybody could buy a drink anytime, for example, and most women wore western style clothes.

Now it's a piece of shit.

I'm sorry to hear about your penpal, SOHEIFOX

Our invasion far more destruction and death than they ever had under Saddam, and made Iran a player in the region in the process.

Sad. Really sad.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-12 01:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

As an interesting, though probably useless sidenote, you know what pissed him off the most? It was kind of irrational, really, and he only started saying it after we invaded.

When people would say that Saddam "gassed his own people". According to my friend, he never did any such thing. He had his army eliminate a band of Kurds that were raiding his cities by burning and gassing them out of a valley.

Gassing an invading force is a lot different then gassing your own people. Still wrong to use gas, yes.

While his opinion of Hussein was pretty low, he never believed that the Americans would come and replace him with something _worse_, until one day, lo and behold, it happened. The people he believed were coming to save his country were really just there to rape it. (his words, misquoted slightly I'm sure, but I don;t have his letters with me right now and I'm pretty sure I got the jist of it)

(Uhh.. side question: was Iraq even part of the treaty forbidding that? Because if not then, technically, that's not even a crime.)

Ahh, I see Tosser has arrived. Tosser, I'm fairly sure you'd know, care to educate the folks as to exactly what a Kurd is?

The time for us to have done something about Saddam was right after the 1991 Gulf War when Bush 41 called on the Iraqis to revolt. They did, we stood by, and as a result 250,000 were murdered by Saddam.

We had most of the general staff of the Iraqi Army, and millions of Iraqis pleading for help after Bush put out the call.

No wonder they didn't greet us with flowers. We'd let them down in a horrible way.

If what Saddam Hussein did was a crime in the 1980's then that makes Reagan et al just as guilty because they gave logistic and Material Support.

Larry

My Uncle went to Iraq in the 80s.

He said it was one hell of a cool place. No religious nuttism whatsoever. Anybody could buy a drink anytime, for example, and most women wore western style clothes.

Now it's a piece of shit.

#18 | Posted by Tosser

Sad to say, but they had it better under Saddam.

How ya doin' TOSSER?

Shoot, LARRY

Reagan and Rumsfeld GAVE them the gas.

Yep AU without congressional approval and oversight. Fucked up isn't it??

Larry

When people would say that Saddam "gassed his own people". According to my friend, he never did any such thing. He had his army eliminate a band of Kurds that were raiding his cities by burning and gassing them out of a valley.

That was when he(Saddam)was our ally in the war against Iran. After he gassed the Kurds, our gov't (in concert with Saddam) tried to blame the action on the Iranians. Shortly thereafter, Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam and shook his hand. It wasn't until after Bush II wanted to invade Iraq that the gassing of the Kurds was used as propaganda to claim Saddam as the new Hitler.

Saddam loves you Boyd.

I bet he is holding a place in line for you right now.

How ya doin' TOSSER?

I'm good.. thanks...

care to educate the folks as to exactly what a Kurd is?

From what I know (and I'm no expert on that area), the Kurds are a people who have fallen through the cracks when countries were being made and maps were being drawn.

From what I have seen on TV, there seems to be some ethnic connection between Kurds and Greeks, like my race (Pathans... Pashtun.. Afghan) are said to be leftovers from Alexander's army (greeks). Could be wrong though about the Kurds...

Anyway, they are spread over Iran, Iraq and Turkey basically and I think in some former Soviet Republics. They have always wanted a country of their own, and seem to be an dependent sorta people. Which is why everyone tried to fuck them.

They have been fucked with for so long, that I think some of them are now really bad guys. They have caused real trouble in Turkey and are responsible for a terrorist movement that has killed many. The Turks would bomb the shit out of them, with good reason.

Right now, I don't know if the Kurds are good or bad. Their leaders are certainly bad.

Sort of like living in Salt Lake City.

Rex-
You turn kinda ugly after you exhaust your postings of shitty metal crap. What, Queensryche get your drunk ass all angry and angsty, or did your mom ground you from the local mall?

I meant to say, you can't say the Kurds are Arabs.. they are not. They aren't Persian or Turk either.

Don't let me stop you from praising Saddam, Boyd...

Continue....You're doing great.

Don't forget to throw a shout out to Uday and Qusay while you're are at it.

Rex-
re: Saddam loves you Boyd.

I bet he is holding a place in line for you right now.

#27 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2008-10-12 02:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes. I only regret that I didn't have the opportunity to sell him weapons like Reagan did, or shake his hand after he gassed the Kurds, like Rumsfeld did, or use him to convince stupid sons-a-bitches like yourself that he was involved in 9/11 like the dumbass you voted into the Presidency of the US did.

My bad.

Hey, dude, got any more shitty angst-ridden 'I hate my dad' crap to post as "music", or have you exhausted may thirteen-year-old nephew's collection?

REX-
re: "Don't let me stop you from praising Saddam, Boyd..."

Quote me, you angry little boy.

I could have sworn you were talking about the plastic "Christians" who can find an obscure verse in the Bible to justify just about any hateful thing they want to do or say.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-11 11:48 PM | Reply

Just curious .... do you have any specific examples (with Scripture references)???

Or are you just talking out of your narrow-minded and bigoted ass, as usual?

Tis funny. If You tell the TRUTH about Saddam Hussein You get labeled a Saddam Hussein Lover and supporter. Let's face facts. There would not have been a Desert Storm had the Saudi Royals not got antsy about Saddam Hussein getting too big for His britches. Hell GHWB Gave Him tacit permission to invade Kuwait until the Saudi's spoke up and then GHWB double crossed Saddam Hussein. Remember the supposed 250,000 Iraqi Troops that were supposedly at the Saudi Arabian Border LIES. Also the tear filled "Testimonial" from that Girl about Saddam Hussein's Military dumping babies out of those incubators in Kuwait and the subsequent stealing of those Incubators?? All lies. We shat all over Saddam Hussein for political gain NOTHING more. Let's face facts Iraq was better under Saddam Hussein than it is today. Now it's a complete shithole and that's the truth.

Larry

VERNON - Ex-Patriot

I grew up in evangelical Christianity.

I'm only bigoted against right wing morons like you.

Now go back to your moo goo gai pan

And come back to America when you're man enough to get a job back here - or admit things aren't good enough in America for you to have found a job here.

Ah well, this is what a Christian said:

The Rev. Bolis Jacob, of Mosul's Mar Afram Church, told AP he couldn't understand the attacks.

"We respect the Islamic religion and the Muslim clerics," he said. "We don't know under what religion's pretexts these terrorists work."

Wait! You are subjugated. You are living as dhimmis. I suppose that then, it's time for step three with you converting to "the religion of peace," or choosing to die. And you atheists and others, special consideration is given to "the People of the Book" compared to others, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, and the like.

This is a precursor of things to come. When Islamics obtain power, they use it, and as believers, they do their duty to eliminate "The Infidels," cleanse the earth of non-blievers.

Say it isn't so. Well, it is so. Sorry.

Some of these lefties seem to be citing real or imagined sins to justify the current persecution of Christians. Were these Christians guilty of anything or are they being punishded as surrogates for Bush not removing Hussein in Gulf I, or Reagan purportedly supplying Hussein with weaponry to gas the Kurds.

Oh, I get it. These Christians are innocent surrogates who must die for the sins of American Presidents. It's only right in the mind of a lefty.

Brilliant reasoning there, lefties and worthy of you since your form your other positions using the same ineluctable logic.

Or are you just talking out of your narrow-minded and bigoted ass, as usual?
#35 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-12 02:58 AM

Projecting AGAIN, we see.

Johnson:
what the heck are you talking about? Your #39 post...huh? Or are you really Sidney McCain and having one of your Senior Moments?

Oh, I get it. These Christians are innocent surrogates who must die for the sins of American Presidents. It's only right in the mind of a lefty.
Brilliant reasoning there, lefties and worthy of you since your form your other positions using the same ineluctable logic.

What motivated their persecution?

A/ Intervention by the West.

B/ The downfall of a secular government.

C/ Capitalist dreams of freeing OIL.

D/ I'm sure you can figure this one out.

Well, it's good to know Shrub and Co have the situation in Iraq well under control. I suppose that if all the Sunnis, Shias and the Christians are exiled from Iraq, then things will quiet down nicely. I am sure Shrub will be happy to welcome all the refugees into the USA, right? Yeah sure....

i hope you are being sarcastic, cause that sounds just like any church goer i have met

sorry i was trying to reply to #12

"Christians worshiped freely under Saddam.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:???"

what about the assyrians?

#46 | Posted by nanc

Now you're tyin' ta blame sodom hussyanus for things that've happened since he started his dirtnap??
What the fuck is wrong with your head cranc?

...You see, there used to be this country called Kurdistan...enough said?

I don't see why the christians have their panties in a bunch. All they need to do is PRAY for jesus to come down on a cloud and save them all. Oh, that's the rapture....my bad.

Well then, all that God has to do is come down in a cloud and demolish the people of islam with his magical powers. Just like in the good ol' days.

What? God doesn't show up on earth anymore with his all vengeful armies of angels and flaming swords?

Oh...shit, Christians, you're fucked.

"All they need to do is pray for Jesus to come down..."

Some people keep lists; some people do not. You keep lists.

Some people have power; some people do not. You don't.

I'm praying your list is never brought to life by power. That would be very bad for me. That it would be worse for you is a concept you don't have.

The end of Christianity in Iraq after centuries of co-existing with their Muslim bretheren?

Aha, maybe Bush is really a secret Muslim!

It would certainly explain this, wouldn't it?

Be Well.

Or are you really Sidney McCain and having one of your Senior Moments?

Spud suspected Tiny Johnson and John "Napolean Complex" McCain were one in the same fer a while but then remembered that McLame can't even figure out how to email someone so blogging would be beyond his miniscule technical capabilities.

Speaking of senior moments, McAncient was asked the other day wot's the best part of being as old as he is.

John replied.

"No peer pressure"

/(subtext) Cos they are all dead.

Funny yes, but scary also.

As in Scary FAILin at the helm.

Brrr!

So do not want.

Be Well.

it would be nice if someone would write a book
about this but freedom of speech is a rare
commodity these days

educate yourself, frank:

"The botched Allied intervention in Iraq has made the plight of the Assyrians infinitely worse - let us be in no doubt about that. But Western apologists for Saddam Hussein should note that it was his vile dictatorship that began the ethnic cleansing of Assyrians.

"Saddam destroyed over 200 of our towns and villages, but with our very limited resources, we have rebuilt hundreds of homes," says a spokesman for the Assyrian Aid Society."

Nice try, but I've found that atheists are too narrow minded to be reasoned with. Too sure of themselves to admit that they may be wrong about something.

Try convincing them the law of gravity isn't real because its not on a stone tablet. Some folks don't believe the force or hogwarts aren't real either.