"I abused my power as Governor, and as VP I will continue the fine Cheney tradition of abusing the power of the office, too." -Sarah "Culture Wars" Palin

Seems she's let her hair down.

Sarah is big (BIG!) on fetuses but not so hot on people. herm

Go back to Alaska bitch. They booed her at the hockey rink too. Only the men like her.

Tax cheater Sarah and Todd Palin.

Sarah does love fetuses, she had a couple for lunch. with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

This woman is going to get herself shot by somone out there if she doesn't tone it down and I don't mean me.

Palin Plays Abortion Card

What see promised to get one.

I am just curious as to why W's faith was so scary and Obama's faith seems so tame to the Liberals?

I find Obama's position on abortion extreme.

(BTW, I heard and saw plenty cheers for Teflon Palin in the Hockey rink).

Let us know when god tells President Obama to attack Lichtenstein.

" I heard and saw plenty cheers "

The insane are suffering from the truth.
Schizophrenics are lost.
Take your meds.

Go home and take care of your children if you care about children. You've done a brilliant job so far.

Anybody whose vote is influenced by the issue of abortion in 2008 is a simpleton.

Anybody whose vote is influenced by the issue of abortion in 2008 is a simpleton.

#14 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-10-12 10:48 AM | Reply

Ergo, Herm is a simpleton.

I'm not pro-abortion and believe the decision should only be between the woman, her physician, her family and the baby's father (if he's around). It's no one else's business.

That said, I think it would be nice if now that "anti-abortion" Sarah had her FIVE babies she stayed home once in awhile to take care of them instead of running all over the country. No abortions for Sarah! Well, that's fine, noble, and good. But Sarah! thinks nothing of popping out babies and then leaving for others to take care of while she runs around doing politics in Alaska, flying off to Texas for energy meetings, and now jetting all around the country running for VP of the U.S.

Why push her pious anti-abortion agenda to have her babies if, once she has them, she foists their care on other people as she follows her lust for the political limelight. Does Palin even believe in birth control? Has she even heard of birth control?

The Republicans must be desperate -- I mean desperate -- if they think playing the abortion card NOW is going to help their campaign.

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

Any Republicans who used to have "anti-abortion" as their sole motivating voting factor but are now looking at 401ks worth $5 and change and have seen their jobs downsized and are looking at collecting aluminum cans to make a buck better first spend their money on condums first because no one is going to be able to afford to have a kid for awhile -- not in this economic climate.

Dow down close to 40% in a year. Shedding jobs left and right. Foreclosures up. Bank failures up. Consumer confidence down. Home purchases down.

But ooohh looky over here at this shiny abortion trinket.

Look at the shiny trinket.

~Sarah "Unethical Tax Cheatin Refomer Maverick" Palyin.

I'm not pro-abortion and believe the decision should only be between the woman, her physician, her family and the baby's father (if he's around). It's no one else's business.

Spot on, Chris.

No one has asked the obvious questions here: Why isn't 7 year old whats-her-name and 13 year old whats-her-name IN SCHOOL where they belong?

Homeschoolin'.

There's nothing in Obama's words or deeds that suggests a radical faith. He does not inject faith into his campaign platform or policies.

Saying Jesus wanted you to be president, or thinking that the earth is 6,000 years hold, that's scary shit. 'Cause when you think God is your personal shopper, all sorts of bad things can happen because you can do no wrong.

Someone better tell the righttards quickly that abortions are currently at a 30 year low any way.

Hammer-meet nailhead......

Hey-moosiah! If you're sooooo opposed to abortion-that's fine-don't EVER have one-other than that-STFU!

"I'm Sarah Palin, and if you vote Mavericklisciousness this year, I promise I'll put an end to chucking old people into furnaces, which my opponent voted for 14 times."

Yeah, Chris nailed one. But Chrissie, NO one is pro-abortion, Even reproductive rights "simpletons" like me see abortion only as an acceptable way out of a dilemma if less extreme measures fail. Yeah, Palin's picture is in the dictionary if you look up "irresponsibility," but that would be no one's business but hers were she not trying to position herself as Leader Of The Free World. herm

Hi-I'm Frankf55-and I propose to sterilize all republicans-which my opponents have all voted against.
Vote for me and we'll be rid of those bastards by the next generation.

Boy that is one ugly woman. All the more so in what comes out of her face.

Yo, Americans wants to focus on Abortion... to save their homes, jobs, pensions, etc.

Given that we cream these creeps on Nov 4 will Palin drop back into obscurity or be billed as a bigee in the GOP ?

Any Republicans who used to have "anti-abortion" as their sole motivating voting factor...

Agreed. But let's be fair and attach this statement to all people

"Any VOTER ON EITHER SIDE who votes based on the issue of abortion".........

Abortion isn't going to change....I don't care where you stand on the issue. People who vote against pro-life candidates because they are pro life are just as big a part of the problem as people who vote for candidates because they are pro life.

That's what I meant, Eberly.

BUT, opposing abortion in the case of rape and incest, as Sarah Palin does, and as John McCain will say he does, shows a lack of common sense and decency that could be applied to many "more political" situations that confront a President.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin charged into the culture wars Saturday in Pennsylvania, painting Sen. Barack Obama as a radical on abortion rights.

Wow, talk about the grass calling the sky green!

Scary FAILin is the only real radical in this race.

Her hilariously misnomered "Feminists Fer Life" group oppose abortion even in the case of incest, rape and the life of the mother and define birth control so narrowly that they think over 90% of current birth controil methods equate to abortion.

Se's a wingnutty, fundy fuckstick with regressive, oppresive and basically batshiat insane ideas.

And she's trying to call Obama a "radical"?

Wow just wow!

She may be an evil, radical, ignorant, extremist assclown but she's got cojones on her that a bull would envy.

Spud'll give her that.

Be Well.

BUT, opposing abortion in the case of rape and incest, as Sarah Palin does, and as John McCain will say he does, shows a lack of common sense..

I understand what you are saying but I don't believe them. I don't believe any politician on this issue. It is such an emotional wedge issue that politicians are forced to take these positions...I'm not saying they are lying but rather I don't care what they say on this issue.

They all know that abortion rights are not going to be reversed anyway.

It is the stupidest issue of any election.

It should simply not be an issue to voters. If we could manage to remove it from elections then think of how many millions of voters might actually look at other issues of true political significance.

They all know that abortion rights are not going to be reversed anyway.

It is the stupidest issue of any election.
It should simply not be an issue to voters. If we could manage to remove it from elections then think of how many millions of voters might actually look at other issues of true political significance.

If that was the case McSame would asking Bush for retirement advise.

Eb did Joe ever tell you how fucked we'd be if McFossil implemented his health plan?

At least Obama's church helps people. The needle-giveaway program has saved countless numbers of persons that struggle with substance abuse. The condom give-away program? - preventing unwanted pregnancy is always a plus. Counseling on abortion, help with criminal defense representation, voter registration drives - the list goes on and on.

We can only conclude that Obama's church is caring, compassionate and all inclusive.

Be Well

Eb did Joe ever tell you how fucked we'd be if McFossil implemented his health plan?

I haven't really spent much time on those threads. There has been confusion that needs to be clarified on exactly how his plan would affect most people already on a group health plan.

There has been confusion that needs to be clarified on exactly how his plan would affect most people already on a group health plan.
~Eb

It's really pretty easy what good is a tax credit to the poor. Many in the middle class like you and I get screwed because our companies spend more than 5K on our benefits and why would they continue if there is no tax benefit for them. As well who believes individuals spending a 5K CREDIT can do as well a company buying a large plan?

I agreee Zap.

My interpretation was that why place a disincentive to the employers who were already taking care of their employees? We need to focus on the folks who are NOT getting coverage through their employers.

Oh...

And Sarah is opposed to abortion, except in the case of rape or incest.

Wait for it:

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.

Obama's repeated attacks on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act is something that resonates among the pro-lifers. To Obama's admirers, he's never done nor said anything wrong. Others aren't so sure, and deserve to be reminded about the things he's said. It won't matter so much in this election--IMO, it's already beyond McCain's reach. But if you believe that an infant born alive during an abortion should be left to starve to death, Obama's your man.

But if you believe that an infant born alive during an abortion should be left to starve to death, Obama's your man.

Incorrect. The Illinois law, since 1975 already protects viable fetus. Obama supports the existing law. You're factually challenged by an advertisement.

We know Jessen is speaking somewhat figuratively here, but the fact is that someone born under similar circumstances in Illinois would have been protected under the law. Obama has said he supported the existing law and felt it provided sufficient protection for abortion survivors like Jessen. We rule her statement False.

by - because of*

My friend stood in Obama's path and said, "Senator, we are going to pass Born Alive here in Illinois this year."

Obama smiled smoothly and agreed, "I think you will," adding, "I would have voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois had it been worded the same as the federal bill. I think that's the position the Democrats should take."

There's just one thing he forgot to mention: Obama had stopped his committee from adding the federal wording.

With Obama no longer in the state Senate, the Born Alive legislation passed in 2005.
* * *

He's a slippery one, that Barack. For the bill?--So am I! Against it?--Good news for you--I voted against it too!!

Any principles at all? Or is he just another lying POS? I know what I think.

Obama believes in killing babies, his buddy William Ayers tried to kill cops, and his minister Rev Wright is a rabid racist.

Do you want this man for president?

"Do you want this man for president?"

Yes.

How's that?

"Do you want this man for president?"

He's better than McSidekick/Screechy.

See you in November!

***** Do you want this man for president?
.... Posted by fwthom ******

...........yes........he is a better person than anyone on the other ticket......

........the Rightoid politicians know that they will not overturn Roe v. Wade.......

.......politicians on the right just use it to get votes.......

......as a matter of fact...it is not in the right wings best interest to overturn Roe v. Wade....because then they would lose the issue at voting time.......

......its like a carrot dangled in front of a donkey......

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982."

No I want the old asshole war lover McPoorJudgment and his sidekick Ms. Abuse O. Power.

If it were learned that Obama committed incest with his daughters, the left would still vote for him. Go figure.........

If it were learned that Palin is a blithering idiot and that McCain is an unstable rage fiend, the right would start talking about Obama and incest. Go figure...

If your man wins, Betelg, I hope you will enjoy our country being turned into a larger version of Venezuela.

My vote is a vote against Obama more than it is a vote for McCain for that reason alone.

I hope you will enjoy our country being turned into a larger version of Venezuela.

Any Banana Republic references should be addresses to Bush and Company Incompetent from Start to Finish.

As the quote goes, Zap "you ain't seen nothing yet".

Beck and NewsMax you are quite the moron.

I can't wait to say "I told you so" sometime within the next 4 years, IF Obama is elected.

IF

Quite reading NewsMax and embrace reality:

That Guy '08

AnAmerican-
For an effective "I told you so" in the future, you really need to say, specifically, what horrible things Obama will do over the next four years.

Will he double the debt, wreck the economy, lie us into a war, neglect a war that everyone actually supported, catch some really big fish in his stocked pond on his "ranch"?

What will be notable or disastrous in an Obama administration, in your opinion?

If Obama hits big business with more taxes, they will in turn make moves such as job layoffs, cutting programs such as R&D, or moving jobs out of country.

Also, to say that most small businesses make less than $250K is just nonsense. There are going to be alot of small businesses destroyed if this is put into place.

The cost of the goods they supply as a result?? They will go up to compensate. It will happen, there is no if. Many businesses are already suffering. Do you think more taxes are going to help?

The really rich people are not going to stand around and let the government move in and take their money. They will find ways to hide their money and move it offshore.

And that is just the result of his tax policy, alone.

seems with all her "shortcomings" the left would be in love with her.

seems with all her "shortcomings" the left would be in love with her.

#60 | Posted by nanc at 2008-10-13 12:44 AM |

no the right loves the fuck ups. see bush, george.

........the Rightoid politicians know that they will not overturn Roe v. Wade.......

.......politicians on the right just use it to get votes.......

Um, only the politicians on the right know this? the leftoid politicians don't know this?

LOL

Also, to say that most small businesses make less than $250K is just nonsense. There are going to be alot of small businesses destroyed if this is put into place.

It is $250K NET....not gross. There aren't that many small business owners who are netting $250K in income.

But Chrissie, NO one is pro-abortion, Even reproductive rights "simpletons" like me see abortion only as an acceptable way out of a dilemma if less extreme measures fail.
#24 | Posted by herm

Don't be so modest HERM, you are very pro-death. In fact, I believe you think its a darn shame when a baby is born.

You did get the "simpleton" part right. Getting pregnant is a dilemma? Only for the women who "choose" to not keep their legs together.

Rape and incest are different subjects - the baby is guilty of nothing but is punished with a death sentence. ADOPTION ADOPTION ADOPTION - probably not in your lexicon HERM. At least your brick can't give birth to little bricks.

It is $250K NET....not gross. There aren't that many small business owners who are netting $250K in income.

#63 | Posted by eberly

Link? Or just more BS? I think the latter.

Obama was quite the extremist with his opposition to the born alive infant protection act.

But that's not what's on people's mind. The economy will decide the election.

Link? Or just more BS? I think the latter.

#65 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

"So I listened when our opponent defended his unconditional support for unlimited abortions and he said he said that a woman shouldn't have to be 'Punished with a baby,' " Palin said as the audience jeered at Obama. "Ladies and gentlemen, he said that right here in Johnstown. 'Punished with a baby.' It's about time we called him on it."

He stood FOR partial birth abortion, he stood AGAINST protecting children that survived attempted abortions.

If Obama loses, but this in the top 3 reasons why.

"But" = "put"

We find that the overwhelming majority of those small-business owners would see no increase, because they earn too little to be affected. Obama's tax proposal would raise rates only on couples making more than $250,000 or singles earning more than $200,000.

Where does it show the number? What percentage of small businesses make below 250k - and I guess if you are working for one of them - tough luck.

Anybody whose vote is influenced by the issue of abortion in 2008 is a simpleton.#14 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-10-12 10:48 AM | Reply

Anybody's whose vote is NOT influenced by the issue of abortion in 2008 is a fargain tyrant and probably is responsible for having or paying for an abortion.

Abortion's link to depression in women who've had an abortion, abortion's contribution to illegal immigration, abortion's contribution to the coming Medicare/Social Security catastrophe and bankruptcy and abortion's contribution to increased breast cancer and increased infertility don't matter much to individuals who have murdered their future children, or paid for others to do so.

"Where does it show the number? What percentage of small businesses make below 250k"

Try reading the whole article, not just the excerpt.

Based on the number of taxpayers who now report any sort of business income on their returns, the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center projects that 663,608 taxpayers with business income, or business losses, will fall into the top two tax brackets in 2009, when any Obama tax changes would first take effect.

663k - thats a f-ckin bunch. Not the bs number McCain is throwing out but still a bunch.

Of course obammy is promising a tax cut to 95% of Americans - funny cause only 59% pay income tax? How does that work?

NO one is pro-abortion

herm#24 | Posted by herm at 2008-10-12 12:44 PM | Reply

That's a lie--you are, herm.
You helped usher women into the abortion clinics that killed their babies, increased their incidence of infertility, depression, suicide, drug and alcohol abuse.

That IS pro-abortion.

You weren't helping INFORM them with glossy brochures or informative lectures, you led them into the abortion mill.

"663k - thats a f-ckin bunch."

About 2.5%.

2.5% - how many employees per? If just 1 per business losses his job thats 663k new unemployed. This does not even consider the absurd proposal of health insurance requirements for small businesses. That is the one that will really kill off workers.

"You helped usher women into the abortion clinics that killed their babies, increased their incidence of infertility, depression, suicide, drug and alcohol abuse. That IS pro-abortion. You weren't helping INFORM them with glossy brochures or informative lectures, you led them into the abortion mill."

Kirk is a late arrival, so left's go over it again. For about a decade - sometimes an hour a week, sometimes three morning - I helped shield women who had made up their minds to end problem pregnancies past unspeakable harassment, often physical, from religious fanatics wielding doctored bloody fetus photos.

It did not increase infertility, surely prevented depression, suicide and drugs. They were past a point of lectures and glossy brochures. Indeed, some survived a fundie-sponsored phony "pregnancy center." I recognize abortion as a legitimate option of last resort, and am kinda proud of that. herm

Scroling backward, I see Billy The Cid weighing in with some idiocies. As he offers only insult, it's hard to respond. But not "keeping the legs together" is no crime; adoption is just one sad alternative. herm

Scroling backward, I see Billy The Cid weighing in with some idiocies. As he offers only insult, it's hard to respond. But not "keeping the legs together" is no crime; adoption is just one sad alternative. herm

#78 | Posted by herm

As usual HERM - your only alternative is murder. Calling adoption a sad alternative? Your such a loser I can't find the words.

I helped shield women who had made up their minds to end problem pregnancies past unspeakable harassment, often physical, from religious fanatics wielding doctored bloody fetus photos.

Problem pregnancies? Would not have been a problem if they kept their legs shut.

Unspeakable harassment? Yeah, how does that compare to ripping a baby out of the womb - my heart bleeds.

Doctored bloody fetus photos? Why would they have to doctor them - you seen an abortion yet HERM? Thought not.

As usual, HERM takes the low road on life - no big surprise - absolving people from responsibility claiming it was not their fault they had sex.

As usual HERM - your only alternative is murder.

Oooo! Murder! Call the police! Hysterical rhetoric, nothing more.

Calling adoption a sad alternative?

In ALL cases, no. In SOME, absolutely.

Problem pregnancies? Would not have been a problem if they kept their legs shut.

And this is any of your bloody business...because?

Unspeakable harassment? Yeah, how does that compare to ripping a baby out of the womb - my heart bleeds.

It's not a baby, mate. At CLOSEST it's a fetus.

Doctored bloody fetus photos? Why would they have to doctor them - you seen an abortion yet HERM? Thought not.

Can't speak for Herm, but I have. Held a friend's hand through the entire thing. The photos WE were shown were doctored. The stress she endured was from the uninformed idiots calling her "murderer" and holding up dolls screaming "Don't kill me mommy!"

I was on the fence until I saw that. Now,I've ZERO sympathy for the hysterical, uninformed nut-bags who try to prevent women from making a choice related to their own bodies.

prevent women from making a choice related to their own bodies.

Except 'that' choice involves another life. Keeping their legs closed only involves - well their own. As to being my business, what business is it of mine if you go out and kill someone I do not know? Or rob them? Or rape them? It's my business, because when they "choose" to open their legs, they forfeit the next "choice" because it is not "their" body.

Just as a three yr old needs representation in a court situation, so does the unborn child. Libs care more about cats and dogs than they do defenseless life.

I've ZERO sympathy for the hysterical, uninformed nut-bags - you probably defend william errors though?

The same crowd complains about 'welfare' when they can't afford the kids outside the womb and fall on troubled times.

Except 'that' choice involves another life

No, that choice involves the woman and the woman alone.

If you believe in the bible, a human being isn't a human being until their first breath.

If you believe ANYTHING else, you contravene the bible.

Now, as for me: I'm not christian. I do, however, believe that human life begins when the fetun ceases the parasitic existence of living off the bilogical systems of the mother entirely.

Additionally, the law differs on your belief about the rights of the unborn.

No, that choice involves the woman and the woman alone.

Your opinion.

If you believe in the bible, a human being isn't a human being until their first breath.

Whatever. I can find alternate interpretations.

If you believe ANYTHING else, you contravene the bible.

Yeah ok, coming from a non-christian that argument means...squat.

I do, however, believe that human life begins when the fetun ceases the parasitic existence of living off the bilogical systems of the mother entirely.

Again - your opinion.

Additionally, the law differs on your belief about the rights of the unborn.

The law also allowed mortgages to people who could not afford them. "The law" is not always the best barometer of morality. Obviously neither are you. Keep denying there is life, if it makes you feel better about yourself.

I really enjoy dialogue, but we're simply talking PAST the likes of The Cid.

This person (male, I presume) continues to burble about abortion killing babies (it doesn't), about it being preferably for a woman to carry this fetus for nine months and then giving it away, about it being better yet for her not to have sex in the first place. Sex, after all, is d-i-r-t-y, as O'Bama is a n-i-g-g-e-r.

The Cid will shriek murder no matter what facts he (?) is confronted with, his (?) heart continuing to bleed over terminated pregnancies (tonsillectomies too?). I've been close enough to pregnancies being terminated to know that Rev. Darko speaks truth AND that The Cid is a moron of the first water. (Well, second water).

And "Anybody's whose vote is NOT influenced by the issue of abortion in 2008 is a fargain tyrant." Again, please. From the top. herm

And the simplest way to negate all reasonable arguments to the contrary comes from this Cid-ism: "Yeah ok, coming from a non-christian that argument means...squat." Case closed. FACTO? herm

And the simplest way to negate all reasonable arguments to the contrary comes from this Cid-ism: "Yeah ok, coming from a non-christian that argument means...squat." Case closed. FACTO? herm

I really enjoy dialogue, but we're simply talking PAST the likes of The Cid.

Ah yes, the usual tactic from HERM - I cannot win from a moral standpoint so I shall invoke the liberal intellectual mantra of - we are above it all.

This person (male, I presume) continues to burble about abortion killing babies (it doesn't)

Only if it makes you sleep better HERM.

about it being preferably for a woman to carry this fetus for nine months and then giving it away, about it being better yet for her not to have sex in the first place.

She can have all the sex she wants - just understand that the possibility exists she may end up a mother. Well, pregnant. Mother might be stretching it - no pun intended. Using abortion as birth control - not a woman's right to choose.

I've been close enough to pregnancies being terminated

Of course you have. You have led sheep to the slaughter - you are essentially very evil and I have very little hope for you HERM. I feel very very sorry for you though. The devaluation of life to the extent you have is deplorable and inhumane.

Facts? I though Libs don't concern themselves with facts. You keep getting your facts from that brick though HERM.

Nice deflection on the racist rant for obammy. RCADE will appreciate it I am sure.

And the simplest way to negate all reasonable arguments to the contrary comes from HERM - I am the bringer of death - FACT!

#87 | Posted by herm

Try arguing the Koran with a true believer HERM - see where it gets you.

Cidney, a lot of words that say utterly n-o-t-h-i-n-g. You can believe that it is NOT a woman's right to choose, if you like to assume that each fetus is a fully grown little Republican waiting to get out, and if that makes YOU sleep better. But the earth still revolves around the sun, Cidney. If you enjoy joking about bricks, remember that I said mine has more IQ than you do. herm

Denial it's not a river in Egypt HERM, it's the constant state your in. I do not really care if you find no message in my post it's painfully obvious you care little for life - a standpoint that you cannot defend with any conscience. Well maybe you can.

I sleep just fine. I have never led anyone to death row like you have. As to the bricks, I wish I was joking but judging from your ramblings, I am afraid you really do here it speaking to you.

I read an article several years ago; this article broke the numbers down by the number of abortions since roe v wade. these researchers determined that if abortion were illegal these born infants would have grown up to be approx 70-80% democrats. bottom line is the article determined Gore would have won by a landslide in 2000. I will try to google the article and post it.

Without Roe v. Wade there would never have been a successful CONTRACT WITH AMERICA --- the unaborted babies, mostly conservatives were old enough to boost the repubs then, but the repubs got a little careless and arrogant and are now paying for it. A costly lesson.

When a candidate on either side brings up abortion in front of a crowd, he or she is basically saying, "I consider you a bunch of easily manipulated rubes. Time for me to turn the handle on the organ grinder and for you monkeys to dance...."

For about a decade - sometimes an hour a week, sometimes three morning - I helped shield women who had made up their minds to end problem pregnancies past unspeakable harassment, often physical, from religious fanatics wielding doctored bloody fetus photos."
-herm

(1)
Late arrival or not, that IS pro-abortion.

If abortion was a crime, you'd be prosecuted.

So your statement earlier that "no one is pro-abortion" is an obvious lie.

(2)
You REALLY think photos of aborted babies are DOCTORED?

Have you NEVER read anything scientific in nature on the subject?

Have you never looked at the *known* documented scientifically derived photos and videos from the various gestational stages?

If abortion was a crime, you'd be prosecuted.

So your statement earlier that "no one is pro-abortion" is an obvious lie.

"obvious a lie"

I guess that's another faith thing....

"...it's painfully obvious you care little for life..."

I do, EC. It's why I oppose wars, the death penalty, lack of health care, hunger and unrestricted gun ownership. And why I support women's rights to terminate problem pregnancies safely and legally, not risking their lives on dirty back alley butchers' tables.

"...you are essentially very evil."

Actually, Cid, I am voted eighth in my county for all around goodness.

"I have never led anyone to death row like you have."

Nor I, Cidney. Not even YOUR hyperbole can make that one fly.

"...if abortion were illegal these infants would have grown up 70-80% democrats. "

Great argument for Repubs to favor reproductive righs, eh, Mav?

"You REALLY think photos of aborted babies are DOCTORED?"

Absolutely, Kirk. I've seen enough evidence. We clinic escorts used to call one particularly appalling example which "Christians" waved at children going to see their dentists The Fried Chicken poster. Gross, and thoroughly phony, herm

"children going to see their dentists"

Photos of advanced gum disease are gross enough.

Great argument for Repubs to favor reproductive righs, eh, Mav? Herm

stupid and cold hearted comment herm

Abortion is a ZERO issue for the presidency. It's not going to change in the supreme court and the president has ZERO SAY in the issue.

Religious people need to get over it and vote for their own personal interest... for rich people or for everyone else! Republican rich don't give a rats ass about Christian ideas... they only need Christians because there aren't enough rich people to WIN an ELECTION!

That's IT. Jeez. Jesus, who doesn't like materialism, was as close to a socialist as you can get... and REPUBLICANS who are into money suck up to Christians? What an absurdity!

Typical liberal website. To tens of millions of Christians in this country, abortion is a matter of life or death. Abortion is murder pure and simple.

I find the title of the link about Palin playing the abortion card telling of what kind of site this is. Right to life is huge issue and has been for decades and will continue to be so. When Obama or any other liberal says they are pro-choice, why is that not a "card"? Just plain stupid. Palin has her beliefs and I applaud her for her stance.

**** To tens of millions of Christians in this country, abortion is a matter of life or death. Abortion is murder pure and simple.

..... Posted by utastaff ******

.....and they are made suckers of by the Republicans who pull the Abortion and Gay Marriage canards out of a hat at election time......

......the Repubs will never change those laws, because arguing for the laws gets them votes.......

Actually, Cid, I am voted eighth in my county for all around goodness.

Congratulations - how is the satellite reception in Hell anyway?

McCain has repeatedly claimed that Obama would raise tax rates for 23 million small-business owners. It's a false and preposterously inflated figure.
#67 | Posted by SeekerofTruth

Seek a little more moron. From your own link.

"McCain is right about one thing. Many small-business owners would indeed see their taxes go up if Obama is elected and raises the top income-tax rates. According to a survey from the National Federation of Independent Businesses, about eight out of 10 small-business owners responding to the poll report that they are organized legally in a way that would require them to pay taxes on their business income as individuals, rather than as a corporation."

So, 80% of small businesses would see a tax increase because like most small businesses they are orginized as sub-chapter C.

But you are WAY off the subject.

Abortion is murder, end of story. Any other position is nothing more than trying to justify something you know in your heart is wrong.

"So, 80% of small businesses would see a tax increase because like most small businesses they are orginized as sub-chapter C."

No. The actual figure is approximately 2.5%.

Abortion is murder, end of story. Any other position is nothing more than trying to justify something you know in your heart is wrong.

#104 | Posted by Mutt at 2008-10-14 11:03 AM | Reply |

What is wrong is you. Abortion is not murder. Abortion has never been murder. Abortion will never be murder.

No government considers abortion to be murder. No religion considers abortion to be murder. No science says abortion is murder.

Only idiots like yourself say abortion is murder.

You are mistaken. Get a clue.

Only idiots like yourself say abortion is murder.

#106 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Says the man who thinks the moon is made of green cheese - er smokestacks.

"No government considers abortion to be murder."

Kinda confusing, isn't it Boob?...Our government says killing a pregnant woman is a double homicide and constitutes a capital crime (ask Scott Peterson about it,) but puttin' the little critter in a utility room to slowly die after a botched abortion is OK...right? Punching a hole in the little feller's head and sucking out the brains is good too. In your unequaled wisdom, can you 'splain that to me?

Religious people need to get over it and vote for their own personal interest...

#100 | Posted by radiomankc at 2008-10-13 09:25 PM | Reply

Obama is DEFINITELY in my own personal financial interest to vote for. IF I voted my financial self-interest. Maybe I AM what's wrong with Kansas?

But Christians like me don't vote THEIR OWN INTEREST, we vote to protect the innocent--and therefore antiabortion and pro-life.

But you feel free to vote for your own self-interest. It'll come back and bite you in the ass.

What is wrong is you. Abortion is not murder. Abortion has never been murder. Abortion will never be murder.

No government considers abortion to be murder. No religion considers abortion to be murder. No science says abortion is murder.
Only idiots like yourself say abortion is murder.
You are mistaken. Get a clue.

#106 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-10-14 11:18 AM | Reply |

How can you POSSIBLY justify your above rationale?

Please, in one paragraph, explain yourself (difficulty challenge--don't mention aliens)

So Kirk is a fellow Kansan huh?? Thats a surprise.

Larry

And today's key defender of fetal rights: Kirk, who thinks that offing an "unborn " fetus is murder and constitutes a capital homicide.

An ambitious prosecutor named Birgit Fladager (since elected DA) sold that one to a cretinous jury in the Scott Peterson trial. The idea of killing something never known to have lived has yet to face appeal, but presumably the Fascist Four on the Roberts court will put the sumbitch on the gurney for just that. herm