I guess it's okay when Obama lies since he's a democrat.

It also encourages employers to DROP their healthcare contracts.
Which is what it's for.
The Insurance Industry wants more money-for less coverage-and McShame wants to help them get it-at our expense.

"It also encourages employers to DROP their healthcare contracts."

If you were getting $2500 per year from the government to spend on healthcare ($5000 for families) would you need healthcare from your employer? Yes or no.

John McCain wants to eliminate the tax break given for the cost of insurance this will basically amount to a 25% increase in insurance costs for most of the middle class.

Get the facts straight.

He proposed making health care premiums taxable income. Dumb idea.

"this will basically amount to a 25% increase in insurance costs for most of the middle class."

Prove it.

"He proposed making health care premiums taxable income."

When?

Your thread Joe, show prove it's a distortion. Burden of proof is on you.

Actually McCain lied repeatedly in the last debate he said time and again that "every American" would get a $5000 tax credit for health care.

That is a complete and utter lie. He simply doubled the amount for an individual.

The article proves everything I've said so far. If you are going to step in and claim McCain's plan amounts to a 25% increase, something I've said nothing about, the burden is on your to prove that. Otherwise just STFU.

Sitdown-

Whether McCain said that doesn't change the fact that Obama's claim that it amounts to "taxing your healthcare benefits" is a lie. If your claim is that they are both liars, then that's fine too.

Your thread Joe, show prove it's a distortion. Burden of proof is on you.

#6 | Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-10-10 04:25 PM | Reply

It's up to Joe to prove a statement you pulled from your ass?
Is that in the rules somewhere or did you pull that from the same place the 25% stat came from?

Obama claims McCain's plan would amount to "taxing your health-care benefits for the first time in history," which is a wild distortion.

You said it biatch. Eat you words

I read the article and I cant make heads or tails over what McCain's plan is.

I have employer health insurance, my employer pays say $3000/year

that now becomes taxable but as a family I get a $5,000 credit? is that is?

To me the bottom line is that it doesn't reward employers who are already contributing significantly to their employee's health care.

Mine pays 87% of my family coverage. What is the upside of this for me and my employer?

my family coverage costs about $10,000 a year. My employer pays $8,700 which leaves $1,300 for me.

how would this plan affect this?

The 25% estimate was an economist analysis of the far reaching a negative consequences of TAXING HEALTH PREMIUMs for the first time in history.

I'm not an economist, the stat came from someone else's ass.

As an employer, making my employees health premiums taxable means I pay matching taxes. This is McCain's idea of helping small businesses?

Does anybody really believe that savings an employer gained by McCain's health care plan would be passed on the employees?? Really? I don't see that happening. I don't think wages would go up at all. Corporate America is far too greedy.

"Eat you words
taxable"

I read your entire article. Nowhere does it indicate that McCain's plan would result in healthcare benefits being considered taxable income. Provide a specific quote or STFU.

"the stat came from someone else's ass."

And all you have to do is show who that someone is. Note that you haven't done so.

"that now becomes taxable but as a family I get a $5,000 credit? is that is?"

No. Nothing "becomes taxable." Your employer simply would no longer have the tax incentive to pay for your healthcare, but you would get $2500 from the government ($5000 for families) and you'd pay for your own insurance. Some employers would still probably pay something but not as much.

The only thing that "becomes taxable" is the higher wages you'd probably receive from your employer when they no longer have to pay for your healthcare.

Who cares?

None of us are going to have to concern ourselves with ANY 'McCain Plans'.

You will have to concern yourself with a president who is a liar. Which means there will be no "change."

I'll bet every President has lied.

McCain lies a lot more than Obama, so I guess you're fucked joe. Even Karl Rove called McCain out on it.

Well, I guess lying's okay then. Nevermind.

It only seems to matter to you when the Black guy lies Joe so please excuse me for not giving a damn about what you 'think'.

McCains HC plan sucks. Everyone agrees.

'McCain's approach would save people money when they are young but expose them to greater financial and health risks as they age.'

'The real problem with McCain's idea is that, without the economic incentive provided by the exclusion, more employers might stop offering coverage. And even employers who want to continue could find it difficult because younger workers would be likely to use their credit to buy stripped-down, cheaper coverage on their own. That would leave employers covering only older and sicker workers, which could quickly swell premiums to unaffordable levels. That concern prompted the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable to criticize McCain's plan in an eye-opening New York Times article on Tuesday.'

I read your entire article. Nowhere does it indicate that McCain's plan would result in healthcare benefits being considered taxable income. Provide a specific quote or STFU.

#18 | Posted by JOE

"Workers would be taxed on the value of any employer-paid health benefits,"

get it now, Joe?

I dont know if its a lie about mccain or not but the one thing I DO KNOW is that getting the government assdeep into healthcare just cant be good for it

again........people from around the world come to the houston medical center.....they dont line up to get to canada......why....because its "TOP SHELF" care and top shelf care is expensive

NOW with that being said..........I wish mccain would promise that he would go after fraud in the healthcare system.........that would HAVE to save billions..........wouldnt it?????????

my family coverage costs about $10,000 a year. My employer pays $8,700 which leaves $1,300 for me.
how would this plan affect this?

#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Well Joe that Man asked a question.

.I wish mccain would promise that he would go after fraud in the healthcare system.........that would HAVE to save billions..........wouldnt it?????????

As on CEO making millions for administrating?

As in having no medical staff making life ad death decisions?

Or Republathug fraud as in someone gets healed 'on the dole'?

His employer is screwed. And before long that 10 grand is all Eberly's expense.

His employer is screwed. And before long that 10 grand is all Eberly's expense.

#31 | Posted by tigerbalm

Not to mention all the things it won't cover anymore.

I am sorry but Barack Obama is correct. If you are making 50,000 and your health plan is worth 12,000 then you would be taxted on 62,000 instead of your just wages as the 62,000 is the figure of your wages and healthcare benefits. This would be a new tax that will decrease your take-home wages and wipe out any raise you make every year. You better understand what your getting into if you pull the John McCain level.

You aren't gona be able to buy any decent health benefits for the $5000 (family policy)McSame is propossing. The remainder would come out of your pocket so if you can't afford it now you can't afford it with the McSame policy. The USA can't afford John McSame or Palin as the taxpayer would have to be paying her to VP out of Wasilla (God help us if those two get in)!!!

Obama is not a liar. What he tells you about McSame is the truth.

This is no wild ditortion my friend as John McCain does not tell you this part of his healthcare plan. What he givith with one hand he takith away with the other. Its called a shell game and the person who posted this article "Obama Lies About McCains Healthcare Plan" has fallen for it.

...........the whole discussion is moot.........

......McCain has lost........he can go back to searching for his slippers.......

"Cindy you cunt, where'd you put my fucking slippers you trollop, and get those fucking kids off the lawn"

.........."Don't they know who I am ?"