Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama's associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once.

Obama's political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber even a repentant one he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk. And Ayers shows no remorse. His only regret is that he "didn't do enough."

Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright's angry racism or Ayers' unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?

No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us two important things about Obama.

First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with let alone serve on two boards with an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?

Most Americans would not, on the grounds of sheer indecency. Yet Obama did, if not out of conviction then out of expediency. He was a young man on the make, an unknown outsider working his way into Chicago politics. He played the game with everyone, without qualms and with obvious success.

Obama is not the first politician to rise through a corrupt political machine. But he is one of the rare few to then have the audacity to present himself as a transcendent healer, hovering above and bringing redemption to the "old politics" of the kind he had enthusiastically embraced in Chicago in the service of his own ambition.

Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share Rev. Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers' views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.

Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed unremarkable, part of social discourse.

Do you? Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not.

"For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond. "

Would you make the same statements about Catholics, who continue to attend despite the pedo scandal? Or would you ignore that if Guiliani were the nominee?

What is troubling here about Obama is that he seeks out these folks, learns and knows of their character and makes conscious decisions to stay with them and doesn't care.

Until he throws them under the bus.

You would think that after sitting in the pews about 1000 times over 20 years, he would get a clue.

You have to ask yourself--how could he not know his pastor was that hateful of our country? And if he did know that is even more telling of Obama's character and judgment.

The same for Ayers--he knew this guy and his past and yet Ayers asks him to help pass out 100 million dollars to a failed program. And then claims ignorance to have coffee in his living room to launch his political career.

Just a guy in the neighborhood--waves while he walks the dog.

Either Obama is the most stupidest person on the planet or the most deceitful.

Dan--no comparison with Wright and people going to the Catholic church.

The monsters in the CC were thrown out--some to jail and many apologies.

Obama or Wright have not given any reason fro redemption or any apology.

Hahahahaha. Poor Murphy. Desperate and pathetic and grasping for straws.

See you in November!

Hey........

That's my line.

Either Obama is the most stupidest person on the planet or the most deceitful.

#4 | Posted by MURPHY

Well, since the former seems spoken for......

Charles Krauthammer questioning Barack Obama's character is like Hitler questioning Roosevelt's character. He is one of the most hateful, disgusting assholes in America. His idea of "character" has nothing to do with real morals. I wouldn't spit on that POS if he was on fire.

"Well, since the former seems spoken for......"

On target, MP...

"The monsters in the CC were thrown out-"

Bullshit. One of the worst offenders got a promotion.

"Dan--no comparison with Wright and people going to the Catholic church."

You're right. Reverend Wright's rhetoric is in no way as awful as the Catholic Church's actions, from moving pedo priests, to lying about condoms in the most AIDS-ravaged part of the world.

The Catholic Church's ACTIONS are much worse than Wright's WORDS.

"(Krauthammer's) idea of "character" has nothing to do with real morals."

Hell, he's already proven he doesn't know the definition of fascism, despite the fact he used it in a book title.

"He is one of the most hateful, disgusting assholes in America."

Perhaps, Danni. But, like the broken clock being correct twice a day, even Krauthammer displays some correct insight, like:

Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self- definition do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.

"Unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers."

Meanwhile, the media completely ignores McCain's pal, unrepentant terrorist Oliver North, who, unlike, Ayers, actually caused the death of hundreds, perhaps thousands. But I guess since they were brown people they don't count.

Then there's McCain's other pal, unrepentant domestic political terrorist G Gordon Liddy.

Aren't there pictures of McCain palling around with the North Vietnamese?

Who is McCain to judge?

Convicted felon Tony Rezko. Unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. And the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Rezko and Ayers and Wright, oh my!

Spud's been saying fer almost a year now that this would be the rethug mantra his time around and it wouldn't be enuff.

Spud is, of course, correct once agin.

Yeah Spud! ^_^

Here's a li'l list from the left.

Convicted felon Charles Keating, unrepentant terrorist George W. Bush and the Race baiting Sarah Palin.

Not a complete list by any means but ya might start to get the point.

Charles Keating did more to damage the US economy than scuzzball Rezko did and McCain tried to bail him out. McCain is in bed with the lobbyist to an unacceptable degree (Hell, in the case of Vicki Iseman McCAin was literally in bed with a lobbyist). Rezko, in case ya didn't know, worked both sides of the aisle including raising funds fer yer boy Bush.

"Unrepenant terrorsist Bill Ayers? More right wing assholery. Ayers has repeatedly sed his methods were wrong. Where Rtards get mixed up (deliberately) is in that Ayers still thinks the Vietnam war went on too long and that it was an unjust and unneccesary war. Newsflash fer rethugs: The Vietnam War was an unjust and unneccessary war that went on too long. (Ya might wanna inform McLame of this factoid while yer at it). See also: Iraq. Geroge Bush on the other hand, has made torture a policy, denied habeou corpus, hired mercenaries to fight wars for America w/o any accountability, dropping hundreds and thousands of tons of depleted uranium munitions on Iraq. Quite frankly in the terror department Bush makes Al Quaeda look like li'l kids with slingshots in direct comparison.

John McNasty's designated pitbull, Sarah Palin in her latest batch of rallies more closely resembles a Klan meeting or a rally at Nuremberg with all the hate she's spewing.

Rezko and Ayers and Wright?

Bullshit.

Keating, and Bush and Palin.

It's THAT "Trilogy of Terror" that will lose the election fer McBush and his Fundy Ferraro.

But keep spinning yer wheels in the mud.

Is fun fer Spud.

^_^

Be Well.

/Reverend Wright although a bit strident in tone and with a tendency towards the theatrical in his sermons is NOT A RACIST. He's an outspoken ANTI-RACIST.
//He's also about ten times less scary than far too many of the preacher folk on the religious right and better Christian than them too.
//Spud is glad we got THAT cleared up.

Or McCain's pal Chuck Keating who wiped out the life savings of many Americans.

"Then there's McCain's other pal, unrepentant domestic political terrorist G Gordon Liddy."

Who McCain is "proud of".

During the segment, McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was "proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program."

Good eye, Nulli

Note to the whackjob who wrote this hit-piece.

"Just because you are a character, doesn't mean that you have character"

49 Senators work alongside of Obama.
49 Senators work alongside McCain.

They work together and apart, but the associate with each other. They have similar beliefs and they also disagree with each other.

Some may consider the other enemies, but most will only consider them enemies when referencing political party - not making it personal.

Another thing. People change over time.

Rezko convicted, was Obama? Was he convicted before they met?

Bill Ayers, convicted at all? Have you checked his own statements about how he feels today, or 5 years ago about the past?

Wright? I've heard the disgruntled speakers. It ain't the 60's but some still live there, some still remember those days. They are still angry - but they are getting old.

This whole story sounds like Hannity's litany.

You could label any blog with "questions-character-insert name". They have had associations with questionable characters. Face it. They have to deal with such characters every time they are elected. They work beside them, too.

I've heard rumors McCain pals around with...Republicans!

Palling around with American political terrorist George Bush should be enough.

I've heard rumors McCain pals around with...Republicans!

You heard wrong.

Seen any near him lately?

Note to the whackjob who wrote this hit-piece.

Did you actually read the article?

If so, on topic, why do you feel it's a hit-piece?

"why do you feel it's a hit-piece?"

Nothing about issues which really affect us. We've lost trillions of dollars of value in the last few days, and all the Republicans have left is somebody who serves on a board with Obama did something bad nearly 50 years ago, or a Reverend who referenced a part of the Bible they didn't really know.

#27 | Posted by Danforth

Why don't just elect policies, we elect people.

Fact is, Obama has associations and alliances with same very insipid people. I think it's perfectly legitimate to probe those relationships and report on them.

I do give you props for not alleging that this article is racist.

It is the opinion of many that all politicians(sorry) are of limited character. It goes with the territory.

A demonstration of this is the old axiom "An honest politician(sorry) is one that when bought, stays bought."

Nuff said.

"Fact is, Obama has associations and alliances with same very insipid people."

They all do. They're politicians.

"not alleging that this article is racist."

It's not. Nor was the "that one" comment, or a handful of other instances.

"not alleging that this article is racist."

It's not. Nor was the "that one" comment, or a handful of other instances.

#30 | Posted by Danforth

It's nice to see you haven't fallen off the deep-end like so many others around here.

If this was the associations of a Republican candidate--folks here would say he/she is unfit to be in the office.

I think it's perfectly legitimate to probe those relationships and report on them.

This has been done. The facts have been revealed, twice now (don't forget about the primaries). The prosecutor involved has said that it is ridiculous to try to tie Obama to anything Ayers did years ago. The fact is that the McCain campaign has to dwell on this and use it to fire up the base because they have nothing left. They can't win on any issue, and now have to make Obama look unacceptable. It's a pathetic last ditch attempt, and anyone who goes along with it is as despicable as McCain and Palin.

If this was the associations of a Republican candidate--folks here would say he/she is unfit to be in the office.

Bull shit.

What Taxman said. AMEN

We don't just elect policies, we elect people.

Posted by JeffJ

Yea we know...that's how we got stuck with GW. Righties thought he'd be a great guy to have a beer with.

Yea we know...that's how we got stuck with GW. Righties thought he'd be a great guy to have a beer with.

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft

And when some redneck got UNlucky enough to sit down and have a beer with him-all bushit could do was sit there uncomfortably staring, and complaining that it wasn't champagne he was drinking.

And the phenomenal thing for Obama is his comment that he knew Ayres past--but thought "he had been rehabilitated".

wth?

Never occurred to ask him himself?

Never occurred to Obama that Ayres wasn't rehabilitated after his comments in 2001 after 911?

Never occurred to Obama to "change" the pastor after knowing what his words against our country were? (He did know btw).

His story has more holes than a collender.

Frank needs his meds--Alert!

If so, on topic, why do you feel it's a hit-piece?

~JeffJ

Well, sir, Spud's first clue was that it came from National Rtard Online, who have a bit of a rep fer that sorta thing.

Second, it's from the poison pen of Charles Krauthammer, an unrepentant POS who's record fer being wrong is only surpassed by Bill Kristolmeth-head.

You want specifics?

The "unrepentant" part describing Ayers.

Ayers has long since disavowed his insane, violent extremist methods while maintaining that his ideals were sound.

Which they were.

He's now a professor, and it is in that capacity that Obama met him but Krauthammer makes it sound like an eight year old Obama was helping the Weathermen make bombs.

The "race-baiting" part about Wright. Some carefully selected soundbites were taken out of context from a DVD of Wright's fiery sermons and played on an endless loop until the man was so demonised that he had to quit his gig.

Wright comes from the sixties Civil Rights struggles and to an extent his words reflect the bitter realities of those times. Spud finds the way the right have vilified Wright to be far more egregious an act than anything Wright ever sed from the pulpit. The "God Damn America" quote was not AntiAmerican it was pro Christian. He was saying We should praise good acts and damn sinful ones. How hard is that to understand? Fer the right, apparently, it's impossible.

Rezko was slimy corrupting businessman in the Chicago who was not in ill odor when Obama met with him and who's crimes have been disavowed by Obama since they came to light.

The right's continual unrelenting attempts to play this guilt by association game and to overstate the case against these guys and then overstate Obama's relationship to them is an undeniable attempt to hit Obama rather than address substantive issues that actually matter.

Spud's been watching the Rtards fer almost a year now repeat this mantra endlessly and it's pathetic, Jeff.

Just fucking sad.

Yer turn, Jeff.

Specifically, how is this NOT a hit piece?

Be Well.

His story has more holes than a collender

~Murphy

Mmmm, not so much.

Here ...Spud'll help.

"My brain has more holes in it than a colander"

~sMurphette

There.

Fixed That Fer Ya!

No need to thank Spud! ^_^

Be Well.

Ayers has long since disavowed his insane, violent extremist methods while maintaining that his ideals were sound.

Actually, he's boastful that he avoided prison time via a technicality.

He is NOT in any way remorseful of his actions, in fact he "wishes he did more".

He's now a professor, and it is in that capacity that Obama met him but Krauthammer makes it sound like an eight year old Obama was helping the Weathermen make bombs.

First, I don't give a shit what he does for a living now. The fact that he bombed the Pentagon and municipal buildings without a shred of remorse makes him a vile sack of shit - an un-American sack of shit. It shows terrible judgement on Obama's part to have a relationship with this guy.

The "race-baiting" part about Wright. Some carefully selected soundbites were taken out of context from a DVD of Wright's fiery sermons and played on an endless loop until the man was so demonised that he had to quit his gig.

Those soundbites were NOT "out of context". The man blames whitey for AIDS. Also, those 2 sound-bites got all of the air time, but they are only a fraction of bat-shit crazy and hateful screeds coming from the man. It's not "race baiting" to point that out. Going further, what I find to be even more offensive was how Obama handled all of this. First, he pretends he never witnessed any of these tirades firsthand (ahem-bullshit!). Then, when presented with the evidence, he shrugs it off. THEN, when Wright's screeds become politically problematic, he throws him under the bus. This man was a mentor and spiritual advisor. He married Obama to his wife. He baptized Obama and his 2 daughters. Obama's book title was borrowed from one of his sermons. Yet, as soon as Wright became a political inconvenience, Obama cuts his nuts off out of expediency. Disgusting!

Specifically, how is this NOT a hit piece?

It raises legitimate questions and does so in a reasonable way.

Spud--Ayres said he did not do enough (bombings).

I can't believe you are sticking up for this asshole.

Would you shake his hand knowing this guy was responsible for the bombing of the Pentagon the Capital, NY police station and a Judge's house?

And since you are in Canada--just insert the Canadian buildings for the US buildings.

"Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "They were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"

Crocodile tears Murphy or real remorse?

In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[21] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.

And finally...

In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response.

Be Well.

/Wikipage on Ayers is locked down.
//Quelle surprise.

Would you shake his hand knowing this guy was responsible for the bombing of the Pentagon the Capital, NY police station and a Judge's house?

Ayers himself never hurt a single person with his bombs.

He bombed a statue at a Capital building.

Other WU members did hurt people, a bank guard was killied in one of their actions.

Spud can't and won't condone such violent actions.

Either does Ayers these days.

Ayers was a silver spoon brat who played at being a revolutionary in his angry young man days.

But like Malcolm X who went from a "by any means neccessary" philosophy to adopting the non violent tactics and strategies of Martin Luther King, Ayers eventually grew up and out of such ignorant, counter-productive ways.

Be Well.

Actually, he's boastful that he avoided prison time via a technicality.

He is NOT in any way remorseful of his actions, in fact he "wishes he did more".

That is the right wing talking point but the trouble with it is that it just doesn't jibe with reality, Jeff.

Spud's disapointed you never researched this yerself just swallowed the prechewed propaganda unblinkingly.

Tsk tsk.

Those soundbites were NOT "out of context". The man blames whitey for AIDS.

He blamed the US Government fer inventing AIDS and Spud has always sed that that was one of Wright's most wingnutty assertions.

Find Spud a quote where he actually "Whitey invented AIDS" or admit yer an Rtard who buys into the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Also, those 2 sound-bites got all of the air time, but they are only a fraction of bat-shit crazy and hateful screeds coming from the man.

Then obviously you'll have no trouble finding more egregious examples of Wright's "craziness".

Spud'll wait

** Spud looks at watch **

It's not "race baiting" to point that out.

Umm, yeah Jeff, it kinda is.

Going further, what I find to be even more offensive was how Obama handled all of this. First, he pretends he never witnessed any of these tirades firsthand (ahem-bullshit!). Then, when presented with the evidence, he shrugs it off. THEN, when Wright's screeds become politically problematic, he throws him under the bus. This man was a mentor and spiritual advisor. He married Obama to his wife. He baptized Obama and his 2 daughters. Obama's book title was borrowed from one of his sermons. Yet, as soon as Wright became a political inconvenience, Obama cuts his nuts off out of expediency. Disgusting!

Wow, do you have yer Rtard sound bites memorised well or wot?

Much better than BLT or sMurphette who tends to merge them all together insipidly.

Spud found that Obama walked the highwire act of disavowing the nuttier remarks of Wright while NOT throwing him under the bus quite capably.

Like the Matrix spoon, Jeff... there is no bus.

Believe that.

Be Well.

"Also, those 2 sound-bites got all of the air time, but they are only a fraction of bat-shit crazy and hateful screeds coming from the man."

Where are the rest? Those sermons were taped for years. I guess maybe Fixed News and the Republicans are just ignoring all the other "screeds," right?

Ayers himself never hurt a single person with his bombs.

Possibly the most assine statement you ever made. I am sure Hitler never killed a jew with his own hands either. Go back to your can of pisswater you hosers call beer.

Spud found that Obama walked the highwire act of disavowing the nuttier remarks of Wright while NOT throwing him under the bus quite capably.

Spud can find anything he likes to justify his support of a candidate qualified to lead a leaflet distribution in his neighborhood.

"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." - REV Wrong

Spud losses again.

Calling Bill Ayers a "Terrorist" Doesn't Make Him So

"Nonetheless, Weathermen were extreme vandals, not terrorists. Is vandalism of government property bad? Absolutely. Is it as bad as actions that most Americans consider to be terrorism: intentionally targeting and killing civilians to push any kind of a social agenda? Absolutely not."

" I am sure Hitler never killed a jew with his own hands either. "

Ding! We have a winner of today's Godwin Award.

Ayers himself never hurt a single person with his bombs.

~Spud

Possibly the most assine statement you ever made. I am sure Hitler never killed a jew with his own hands either.

Since Nulli already gave you yer Godwin award (Can a Darwin awrd be far off?) Spud'll just give you the gears.

~UncleCid

Ayers was one man, not the entire WU. The bombs that he was responsible for never hurt a single person. Spud is quite correct as usual and you are guilty of over-reaching once agin.

Well at least we're both consistent!

Spud losses again.

Wot kind of loser can't even spell "loses"?

Oh right. The Rtarted variety.

Quelle shock, quelle suprise!

The only thing you proved there was that you have the intellectual capaacity of Anna Nicole Smith on a coupla bottles of Nyquil and a handfull of sleeping pills.

And we already knew that.

Be Well.

Caapacity = capacity.

Spud's first rule of blogworld?

If yer gonna call someone a moron in a post make sure you spell moron correctly.

Ayers was one man, not the entire WU. The bombs that he was responsible for never hurt a single person.

And where in my statement did I say that he did? Your defense of him wins it's own award spud - you can now run to canada like the other cowards - oh wait your already there.

And speaking of Nazis - I guess when called on your support of a terrorist you must revert to the spelling kind - typical of libs.

Null and void obviously is another who should exit the country in a northerly direction for his support of ayers also.

So I guess, making bombs but not killing people only makes you a semi-terrorist then? Talk to the FBI about that one Nully and pud.

"So I guess, making bombs but not killing people only makes you a semi-terrorist then?"

Well, unlike Ayers, Oliver North's weapons actually killed people. So I guess you're going to denounce him now, right? Or are you just a hypocrite?

Well, unlike Ayers, Oliver North's weapons actually killed people.

Who? Did he serve under General Grant?

Oliver North's weapons actually killed people

So he made weapons huh? Speaking of the Godwin award. Your attempt to discredit North is an old and tired argument - like most from the left. - left you libs an easy one there :)

"So he made weapons huh? "

lol. So that's the standard now? By that logic a terrorist isn't a terrorist if he purchases weapons rather than manufactures them! What a tool.

Here is the victim of the bombing of the judge's house--to release the Blank Panther 21

"Bernadine's and Bill's own words--

www.youtube.com"

What as ass. Obama was 8 years old when that tape was made. You really are desperate, Murphy. But it won't help. 25 days and the voters will dump your rightwing asses into the garbage. Hahahahahaha.

See you in November!

" Blank Panther "

Posted by MURPHY

Is that like Blank Reg?

MURPHY

It's all just crap. You're just trying to replay what cost Gore, Kerry, and even McCain an election in times past.

It won't work this time. You've gone too often to that same well. People see through you.

This morning I listened to aa retiree explain he has lost $182,000 from the value of his savings in just two weeks.

He doesn't have time for your crap any more. There's now millions like him.

Obama Opens 11 point Lead

No one cares about your BS MURPHY when millions are watching their retirements disappear thanks to the failed policies of the GOP.

You pretend that this is old news but it is not.

Ayres isn't sorry--

AU--now that is really funny!!!

"Ayres isn't sorry--"

Who?

You pretend that this is old news but it is not.
Ayres isn't sorry--
~Smurphy

OMG could you imagine being married to That One...

"Ayers isn't sorry...."

Yes? And? Seems like that's a problem Ayers has, and a problem you have with Ayers.

Waht's that got to do with Obama? He can't be president because someone not him isn't "sorry"? Jeez Louise.

Last time I looked, Bush isn't sorry. Or Cheney. Or Ollie North. Or a dozen real scummy associates of John McCain. Should he suspend operations until they do the rosary a few times?

he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Oh, and Null, vandals soap windows and TP trees. Extreme vandals key cars, pop tires, spraypaint graffiti, etc.

Vandals do NOT blow shit up with explosives.

Vandals do NOT blow shit up with explosives.s

spud would rather refer to it as "malicious mischief"

"Quit apologizing for this asshole. "

When are you going to quit apologizing for unrepentant terrorist Oliver North, who was a gunrunner for terrorists who raped, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians, hypocrite?

When are you going to quit apologizing for unrepentant terrorist Oliver North, who was a gunrunner for terrorists who raped, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians, hypocrite?

Has he? I didn't know that.

Regardig Wright...

First off, I apologize for misquoting him regarding his AIDS comment. I was short on time and wasn't able to do a quick check to make sure I got the quote correct.

Secondly, a few months ago I came accross a web-site that chronicled his more controversial sermons. It provided transcripts as well as audio.

Regrettably, I can't seem to find it.

I'll try again a little later this evening.

"www.discoverthenetworks."

Well there's a non-partisan source. Think you can something even more ultra-rightist than that?

Oliver North is a piece of shit who should have been thrown in jail.

Are you happy now, Mr. Deflection?

Now, let's see you do the same regarding Ayers.

Null is pulling the Oli North thing out of his rear end.

Well there's a non-partisan source. Think you can something even more ultra-rightist than that?

SO, now we're on to your other favorite game - slaughter the messenger without addressing the message?

Gee, that takes a lot of critical thought.

Null lacks critical thinking skills.

"Has he? I didn't know that.

#74 | Posted by eberly"

"Americas Watch - which was subsequently folded into Human Rights Watch - stated that "the Contras systematically engage in violent abuses... so prevalent that these may be said to be their principal means of waging war."[11] It accused the Contras of:

* targeting health care clinics and health care workers for assassination.
* kidnapping civilians.
* torturing civilians.
* executing civilians, including children, who were captured in combat.
* raping women.
* indiscriminately attacking civilians and civilian houses.
* seizing civilian property.
* burning civilian houses in captured towns.[12]
"

Oliver North is a piece of shit who should have been thrown in jail.

Are you happy now, Mr. Deflection?

NO!!!!

Nulli

Jeffj,

have you been defending Saddam Hussein also?

Nulli will be attaching that to you also.

And what were the Sandinistas doing?

"Null lacks critical thinking skills."

Hahahahaha. You're always good for a laugh, Murphy. And Jeff as well these days.

The shorter Murphy and Jeff:

Let's only talk about Obama's associations! Waaaah! Any discussions of McCain's associations are deflections! Waaaaah!

Fucking hypocrites.

Let's only talk about Obama's associations! Waaaah! Any discussions of McCain's associations are deflections! Waaaaah!

how much of a home court advantage do you need?

how weak can you get?

"And what were the Sandinistas doing?"

What does that have to with it?

You want to play the "ends justify the means" game as well, Murphy? Fine, let's play.

"how weak can you get?"

Get lost troll. You have no answer, no retort, no nothing.

Let's only talk about Obama's associations! Waaaah! Any discussions of McCain's associations are deflections! Waaaaah!

So let me get this straight....

The subject is William Ayers and his association with Obama. Null feels such a subject is off-limits so he badgers away with deflections. And THEN, when his deflections are pointed out he accuses of crying when it is HE (Nulli) who's unwilling to discuss Obama's alliances.

The irony is real thick in here.

How fucking stupid are you willing to make yourself look, Null?

It's odd how one feels about some people on this blog.

I feel that Murphy is not an evil person. She has what sounds like a lovely family, she often seems to not be a complete right-wing nutcase, but this thread, and her recent similar ones make me feel worried that she is seriously out of joint here.
She doesn't even know how to spell Ayers' name, so how much care and thought is going into her posts?

Not to mention that they are pointless.

That's 3 posts in a row in which you haven't made an argument but just trolled, Eberly. Want to make it 4?

You have no answer, no retort, no nothing.

Poor nulli

Murph,

The Sandinistas were leftists, which makes them A-OK in Null's book.

That's 3 posts in a row in which you haven't made an argument but just trolled,

My 8 year old can argue better than you idiot.

You know full well you have done the exact same thing to me and now you are here crying about it.

If you can't take then don't dish it out.

pussy

Get lost troll. You have no answer, no retort, no nothing.

Pot meet Nullifidian.

Your "answer and retort" consisted of a deflection and attacking the messenger.

You are calling Eberly a troll?

I would say that's a self-retorting retort (TM).

"How fucking stupid are you willing to make yourself look, Null?"

You've become as much a partisan hack, as Murphy, dipshit. If Obama's associations are fair game, so is McCain's, hypocrite. If anybody is looking like a stupid hack it's you.

"The subject is William Ayers and his association with Obama. "

According to who? You? McCain? Just who appointed you the moderator? Since when do you decide what are the legitimate issues?

I am out of here for a bit....

Gotta go have some family time.

I'll try to get back on later.

Keep posting, Null. You are really making me giggle.

According to who? You? McCain? Just who appointed you the moderator? Since when do you decide what are the legitimate issues?

You only have 5,000 threads to jump on McCAin and Palin.

pussy

"My 8 year old can argue better than you idiot."

Yawn. I don't have time to waste on you troll. Go stalk someone else.

JEFFJ

The Sandanistas Ronald Reagan backed?

"Keep posting, Null. You are really making me giggle."

Go fuck yourself.

JEFFJ

Excuse me....

The Sandinistas Ronald Reagan backed and armed 100%

No, AU, you mean the Contra terrorists who were armed by Reagan and Oliver North.

John McCain's Terrorist Connections

McCain's "terrorist" connections are far worse than Obama's links to Ayers. In the 1980s, McCain personally funded a guerrilla group (the Contras) that engaged in terrorist acts. Just last year, McCain expressed how "proud" he was of an ex-felon who urged shooting law enforcement agents in the head (G. Gordon Liddy). And earlier this year, the McCain campaign trumpeted the endorsement of a man who illegally provided weapons and money to terrorists; when a reporter questioned this, the McCain campaign refused to even criticize this criminal (Oliver North).

You right wingers don't realize Obama and Ayers weren't the only people on that school reform board, do you?

Half of them were conservative Republicans. The commission itself was funded by Ronald Reagan's good friend, Republican Walter Annenberg.

The right in America is really making itself look foolish with these pitiful attempts at a time when tens of millions of Americans are worried about losing their retirements and homes.

Absolutely pitiful.

The questions about Obama and Ayers have been asked and answered and analyzed in depth many times before. But John McCain still hasn't answered any questions about his terrorist connections. And the media have almost entirely ignored all of McCain's friends who are "unrepentant terrorists."

"The right in America is really making itself look foolish with these pitiful attempts at a time when tens of millions of Americans are worried about losing their retirements and homes."

Hey...you go with the campaign you have, not the campaign you want....

No, AU, you mean the Contra terrorists who were armed by Reagan and Oliver North.

I'm not going to defend the Contra thing. How can anybody?

If this is an attempt to deflect away from legitimate scrutiny of Obama then it is a weak attempt. I thought the article was pretty fair.

And I am voting for Obama.

McCain Advised Ultra-Right Group Tied to Death Squads

In the mid-1980s, Senator John McCain, was on the Advisory Board of the United States Council for World Freedom, the American affiliate of the World Anti-Communist League. McCain was at that time a member of the House of Representatives, and he voted for financial aid for the Contra rebels..

"www.opednews.com"

Oh, you can't talk about that, Zap! We can only discuss Obama's "terrorist" connections on this board. McCain is off limits1 Anything else is a deflection!

Sincerely,
Drudge Douchebags

Legitimate scrutiny of Obama?

Give me a break.

McCain served on the advisory board of a right-wing group called the Council for World Freedom

"The group was founded by Ret. General John Singlaub, as a U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League -- which itself had a history as a home for anti-Semites and former Nazi collaborators. In his defense, Singlaub worked to clean up that element somewhat. On the other hand, the the group continued to aid right-wing death squads that freely attacked civilians in the bloody Nicaraguan civil war."

Now, even though McCain knew these were anti-Semite right wingers, served for 4 years.

We can only discuss Obama's "terrorist" connections on this board. McCain is off limits1 Anything else is a deflection!

again, you are the world's largest pussy nelli.

You can't find some scruitiny of McCain here on this blog?

pussy

I wonder how many right wing death squads that commission on school reform Obama served with (half conservative Republicans on the board too) overtly supported....

"If this is an attempt to deflect away from legitimate scrutiny of Obama then it is a weak attempt."

What's good for the goose...

You people can talk about Ayers until the cows come home. I don't care. But don't start crying when others start talking about McCain's pals like Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy. That's my only point.

Legitimate scrutiny of Obama?

Yes, it is.

I used to joke about how you weak ass losers wouldn't stand for any scruitiny of Obama.

It isn't a joke. You really think he shouldn't be scruitinized at all do you?

"pussy

#114 | Posted by eberly "

Man you're one tough debater, Eberly. So many witty retorts...

Scrutiny is just fine.

"Guilt by association" is a laughable, desperate move by the side that's losing so badly.

Shit, the whole Bush family are thick as thieves with the Bin Laden's.

Therefore, they must have been behind the 9/11 attacks along with Osama.

"I wonder how many right wing death squads"

You mean like the ones that murdered nuns?

You people can talk about Ayers until the cows come home. I don't care.

thanks for telling us something we already know dipshit. you are deaf, blind and dumb (like boob....your brother)

But don't start crying when others start talking about McCain's pals like Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy. That's my only point.

only you and some other pussies here do that nulli.

I have no problem with the same scrutiny of McCain.

Like I said, I won't vote for McCain. He has been involved in so many things I disgree with already.

I'm enjoying watching the desperation of the right.

Their policies are now thoroughly debunked, and America is rejecting them in record numbers.

Buh bye.

Eberly - you're CrispeeOC too?

Therefore, they must have been behind the 9/11 attacks along with Osama.

some of your friends think that.

Anyway, this 'Guilt by Association' is ridiculous, and Palin, McCain, and their backers look like completely desperate fools.

"It's the economy, stupid"

Terrorists:

"One who uses rape and murder for political purposes -- unless the victims are four U.S. church women sexually assaulted and killed in 1980 by members of El Salvador's U.S.-backed military, in which case excuses and distortions pour forth from then-U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick ("these nuns were not just nuns; they were also political activists") and Secretary of State Al Haig (the nuns "may have tried to run a roadblock")."