beanbag bullets?

aren't they mech infantry? being at Ft Stewart I'm guessing yes.

google "c&r document"

being a mechanized force I highly doubt it Nanc.

Speaking of beanbag bullets I wished a cop would come by and shoot Me with pepper spray. When will winter get here. I HATE Alergy season.

Larry

They're gonna root out all you long haired hippy type pinko fags. america-hating reprobates.

how dare you think your gov't & business leaders are anything other than saintly benefactors whose only purpose in life is you. They only live for your comfort and profit.

So when one of them makes a little oopsie, they should be completely forgiven.

The last step on the road away FROM democracy: Using American armed forces AGAINST Americans. The "Patriot Act" started it. herm

Bush is addressing the nation tomorrow morning at 10:00am, Washington time. Perhaps he's declaring martial law.

OCU

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

I thought this was rather interesting in conjunction with James Carville predicting riots if Obama loses.

Of course, what's one brigade going to do if there are mass riots across the country?

Anyway, I couldn't find this story anywhere other than the Army Times. The coworker tipped me off on it and said that a blog he visits (not sure which one) is also visited by several retired military people (he's one as well) and they're all really angry about this. "We didn't join the army to fight on our own soil" type of stuff.

Of course, it could be legitimate -- just in case of a terrorist attack or natural disasters. I mean, after all, I'm quite certain that this administration has earned our tru......

Agh, I can't even type that out sarcastically!!

Didn't the National Guard used to be reserved for shit like this until moronboy sent them to Iraq?

They're gonna root out all you long haired hippy type pinko fags. america-hating reprobates.

how dare you think your gov't & business leaders are anything other than saintly benefactors whose only purpose in life is you. They only live for your comfort and profit.

So when one of them makes a little oopsie, they should be completely forgiven.

#5 | Posted by Lipzoidial

If you have a Ron Paul sign in your yard, your house is toast!

Part of the Constitution shredding process.

So, you wimpy people voting for Republican and Democrat, you're ok. Need to clean out the fragments of the old America before bring in the New World Order.

Obama will be the first President to have his picture on the 10 Amero bill while still in office!

Scary shit!

And you guys compained about Bush not having enough troops in America to help out with things like Katrina.

Be careful what you complain about!!!

Golly, and to think I served two years active duty in the United States, and didn't realize it was controversial -- nor did the other 5,000 people on that one base.

Is Bruce Willis still the general?

The last step on the road away FROM democracy: Using American armed forces AGAINST Americans. The "Patriot Act" started it. herm

#6 | Posted by herm

Dolt - remember the civil war?

Bush is addressing the nation tomorrow morning at 10:00am, Washington time. Perhaps he's declaring martial law.

OCU

Friends don't let friends vote Republican

#7 | Posted by oldCADuser

You really think Obama is really going to stand down these troops?

you are naive.

"They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control..."

Posse Comitatus Act

"The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states, their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states."

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the United States National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act."

The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement."

Source:

Hitler gave us the blueprint for taking over a government in 38.
First you weaken the government and the economy.
Second you destroy the rule of law and the Constitution.
Third you create a nationwide emergency.
Forth you find an enemy to blame it all on.
Fifth you send in your personal Army to restore order.

The NeoCons that have been trying to destroy Democratic Government in the US for the last thirty years and they have learned their lessions well. While the American citizens have set back and let them do it.

This does explain McCains campainge. He doesn't have to worry about polls or winning the election. All he and Nazi Barbie have to do is whip up the hate and fear until their "Rightwing Nut Jobs" explode the violence that they carry within themselves all the time.

Good Bye America.

"Rightwing Nut Jobs" explode the violence that they carry within themselves all the time.

Good Bye America.

#16 | Posted by Nuffsaid

You are paranoid!

Obama is going to win or there will be a revolution in this country.

I am counting on Obama winning so that McCain does not!!!

McCain is a scary sombitch. But, if Obama wins and continues this terror, then that's even more scary.

Holy crap, I'm paraniod too.

im going to feel really bad if i have to shoot a US soldier. but, you get the country you deserve, and if you dont fight back, you deserve any martial law you get.

You won't be feeling bad for long, you'd be feeling dead.

Obama and McCain are both meat puppets.

Obama is the chosen one. He has all of the wall street money backing him.
They can't have an old man in office who is dying of cancer when they launch the big one on Iran. No sir! That one has to go the the young, handsome, new world order, prince Obama. Soon to be your socialist nightmare king.
Just because Bush is out of office, and Obama comes in, that doesn't change the fact that they have already set the stage for martial law.
Under Obama, the slaves to the cult of personality will lovingly worship their new master, and enslavement.

"You won't be feeling bad for long, you'd be feeling dead."
Is Chairpoodle making death threats?
I might have to flag this one...

101, dont be an ass. If the US military is used by our government to enforce it's security at the expense of my freedom, you can bet your bedsored ass i will resist. you are right, ill probably end up dead, but i will resist. any US service member who is deployed against US citizens and does not himself resist deserves to be shot at.

It's scenarios like this that give rise to a whole lot of hack film scripts.

The current administration and their admirers have repeatedly demonstrated that they care little for any laws they consider antiquated or an encumbrance to bringing about their PNAC agenda, so I doubt they'll let a little thing like the Posse Comitatus Act stand in their way.

so I doubt they'll let a little thing like the Posse Comitatus Act stand in their way.

#23 | Posted by dutch46

Why dko ya think they spent such a butt-load of money training and equipping Blackwater?

101, dont be an ass. If the US military is used by our government to enforce it's security at the expense of my freedom, you can bet your bedsored ass i will resist. you are right, ill probably end up dead, but i will resist. any US service member who is deployed against US citizens and does not himself resist deserves to be shot at.

#22 | Posted by dynamitejacket at 2008-10-10 12:09 PM | Reply

My comment was a statement of fact, not a critique of your actions.
I actually agree with your sentiment.

I will add though that I am well aware of the caliber of the soldiers in the National Guard and Reserves.
Their idea of training during their two weeks a year and one weekend a month is either hiding and napping or beer drinking and shamming.

The enlisted and nco's rarely listen to the officers and the officers are rarely worth listening to.

Although I highly doubt the military will ever come close to matching many of your doomsday scenarios, I'm not excited by the fact that they're going to be active on US soil, but I can definitly see why they'd need to be.

101,

"Although I highly doubt the military will ever come close to matching many of your doomsday scenarios, I'm not excited by the fact that they're going to be active on US soil, but I can definitly see why they'd need to be."

What scenario makes you think this could be necessary, outside of a huge terrorist act?

What scenario makes you think this could be necessary, outside of a huge terrorist act?

#27 | Posted by evilpolock at 2008-10-10 01:59 PM | Reply

A huge natural disaster such as Katrina or Andrew, both of which used active duty unit's help already. So precedent has been set.

Take it for what it's worth, but I'm betting money that if the troops carry M4's in the airport, guys on guard duty in Egypt, and guys patroling the streets of Haiti during a coup aren't loacked and loaded, neither will the 3rd ID.

I can understand that but then why not bring back the necessary NG or reserve troops and send the 3rd ID to Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever those troops had been?

EP,
Post #26 may cover part of that question.

Possible other reasons (and I may be reaching here):
Federal dollars versus state dollars.
NG is not equipped to handle such emergencies.
Not enough guardsmen.
Depending on how widespread the problem or attack is you can't have (not a law, but common sense) soldiers from the neighborhood working a disaster in that neighborhood (conflicts of interest, state of mind, et)

Again, I see a slippery slope argument, or I at least see where those making it are coming from. I just do not see the doom and gloom scenarios and conspiracy theories that many others do. Nobody that I can recall made a peep (except for "Please help me", "Can I have some water" and "There's looting over there") about the 82nd Airborne strolling through Miami after Andrew.

Bizarro world - the NG is wasting away in the desert and THAT is a crime worthy of revolution, imo. But, they get to pull this bullshit and nothing happens.

thanks for clarifying 101- ill take back the ass comment :)

to be sure, I am reluctant to put on my tin foil hat, Its just that I often follow that slippery slope, and see deploying a combat brigade on domestic soil as just one more injury in that death by inches of the United States we once lived in.

the difference here is that this deployment is pre-emptive. there has not been a major disaster that requires immediate action, they are just hanging out in case of some as yet unnamed disturbance. Is a combat brigade appropriate when a civilian corps could just as effectively deliver disaster aid?

dictatorship in small steps

Next up: they will "aid" the regular police.
They they will BE the police.

Military dictatorship achieved.

101-
I've got to commend you....I think this has been one of the few times I've actually found your posts interesting and thought-provoking. Actually, it happens more often than I like to admit if I can read through the name-calling, etc...but this time was especially enlightening.

I'm sort of with you, actually. I can understand there might be a 'need,' I'm just worried that maybe that need will be in the eye of the beholder.

From what I understand, the hubbub (at least as reported to me through the person who fed me this article) is not that there is an active duty brigade in the US, but that there's no current apparent need for one. Having one hang around "just in case" seems a wee bit suspicious.

RCade-- thanks for the title re-wording. Conciseness and clarity are not among my virtues.

The Arny Brigade might be needed if Barry is not elected King a certain ethnicly challenged group may start rioting and burning their sub prime homes.

"The last step on the road away FROM democracy: Using American armed forces AGAINST Americans. The 'Patriot Act' started it." ..."Dolt - remember the civil war?"

The Cid would presume to give me a history lesson, but I'm afraid that our civil war of a century and a half ago does not exactly compare to using our army to shoot Americans who might protest what Bush has done to the economy. Try again, Cidney, reserving the doltishness for yourself, of course. herm

"The Arny Brigade might be needed if Barry is not elected King a certain ethnicly challenged group may start rioting and burning their sub prime homes."

Students of Thomology would do well to notice how the racism herein lacks subtlety, and how Thom and his ilk have evolved from heralding a great triumph for bushism next month to latently conceding a return to democracy in America and labeling our next president "King." Larry or Alan? herm

Is a combat brigade appropriate when a civilian corps could just as effectively deliver disaster aid?

dictatorship in small steps

#32 | Posted by dynamitejacket at 2008-10-10 02:47 PM | Reply

That's the point I guess I haven't quite made. I don't think a civilian corps like that exists.
Say what you will, but the military already has many if not all of the qualities somebody would be looking for in a disaster relief scenario.
They work long hours with little or no rest, they do it efficiently, and in an impersonal way.

Dylan,
I have my moments...
As for the "no need" part: I agree that the timing is what makes this whole thing all the more suspect (not just because of the election, but the financial crisis as well).
I think what may be happening is that the Army is getting combat fatigued and rotations like this are a way for them to refit. A stint like what is scheduled for the 3rd ID garauntees that they'll be on the mainland until 2010 (I believe).

There is a lot (too many) of instances of the military doing non-military missions (humanatarian crap). They've apparently gotten pretty good at them. Who knows if this is new direction/cross training type thing?

"...the hubbub is not that there is an active duty brigade in the US, but that there's no current apparent need for one."

Call me old-fashioned, but the question might be if there's any need for a US army OUTSIDE the US. Step One in restoring the economy Bush screwed up MIGHT be calling home troops from around the world who serve no useful purpose to anyone. We have "bases" in how many nations? herm

Phone polls are useless, but do it. I have. Sarah trails. herm

Common,
Okay, I did it, but I think you may be making a bigger deal out of that than necessary. I doubt the effectiveness of an on-line PBS poll swinging undecided voters.

Also, suggesting that the poll favors Palin because republicans knew about it ahead of time is a little silly. Maybe they just found out about it sooner, or maybe a majority of people actually DO think Palin is qualified (I can't understany why...I think she's not only stupid but crazy as well).

I say this because I think suggesting those things reflects poorly on democrats/liberals/non-
republicans in general.

Using American armed forces AGAINST Americans.

If you think that's what this is you dumbass, you are an idiot. My unit is a part of this consequence management, and we consider this an honor to be on standby in case something happens in the U.S.

the hubbub is not that there is an active duty brigade in the US, but that there's no current apparent need for one."

It's not that we will be doing military stuff on U.S. soil, it's about the states not being able to handle another Katrina. When the states need help, we will be there to provide it. We just recently did an exercise on this, simulating a nuclear attack. It really brought the message home. That we will be there to take care of the american people, to help in an incredible time of need. Unlike most liberals, I thank god for the people of our military. You people dont understand the scope of what has been done in having a U.S. force waiting for something to happen and respond. We kept hitting home the point that we are there to take care and rescue the american people, not to fight a war. I would say the entire Task Force was humbled while we did that simulation. It made all of us really think about what our mission was.

another jack horner fix since a lot of the national guard has commitments overseas and units
are needed at home to fill the gaps.

Little Jack Horner sat in the corner
Eating his Christmas pie,
put in his thumb and pulled out a plum
said What a good government am I

so I doubt they'll let a little thing like the Posse Comitatus Act stand in their way.

We were given several hours training on this and our Commander (Gen Long) is very aware of it. No one intends on violating this act. Our leaders make sure we dont violate the act. I bet half of you consipicy idiots on this board dont even understand what the act is for, and to be honest, before this, I didnt either. Now that I do, it gives me a respect for what the founding father's envisioned..

another jack horner fix since a lot of the national guard has commitments overseas and units

No McDuff, you are being ignorant. We will only be employed if the Gov of a state asks. Please dont spread misinformation...

the chances of a Gov needing to request help being increased with the states own guard units
deployed elsewhere is hardly misinformation.

"...Obama will be the first President to have his picture on the 10 Amero bill while still in office!Scary shit.. Posted by Eddie

But don't forget that it was BUSH who signed away US sovereignty with Mexico and Canada, S'right?

Common,
Okay, I did it, but I think you may be making a bigger deal out of that than necessary. I doubt the effectiveness of an on-line PBS poll swinging undecided voters.

Also, suggesting that the poll favors Palin because republicans knew about it ahead of time is a little silly. Maybe they just found out about it sooner, or maybe a majority of people actually DO think Palin is qualified (I can't understany why...I think she's not only stupid but crazy as well).

I say this because I think suggesting those things reflects poorly on democrats/liberals/non-
republicans in general.

#42 | Posted by dylanfan at 2008-10-10 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I posted was the content of an email.

As for the repubs knowing about it, they sent a mass email out telling people to go vote. I also got the other email later on that showed they had set out to sway the polls (which I posted).

I'm not saying the repubs did anything wrong, it's politics, I was just sending the same message to as many people as I could.

Given the latest development regarding TrooperGate, I think Sarah Palin has damaged McCain enough that the poll won't matter in the least.

I'd rather have our own troops standing guard and helping Americans than Black Water troops doing the same and costing the US Taxpayers so much more money.

101 you said shamming. I haven't heard that word in a while. lol

here's one for you -- Nasty Girl.

Is Bruce Willis still the general?

#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne

no I think he was a colonel in planet terror.

yup Brigades have Colonels as commanders don't cha know?

cue the Tonight Show music (Johnny Carson era):

It would happen to be....

this guy!

Boaz...my point was that, given the right circumstances--seeing how our current feckless CinC has amply demonstrated his disdain for anything that gets in his way of getting what he wants when he wants it--laws like the Posse Act would be blithely swept aside in yet another un-vetted simulacrum of the Patriot Act.

And you're wrong about "libs" not caring about people in uniform. I wore one for 6 years and if I'm going to send another man into harm's way, it had better be for real good reason, backed up by the will of ALL the American People. George forgot that he serves us, not the other way around.

There is an awful lot of paranoia out there. I'm in the Air Force and completely agree with Boaz. Our Guard and Reserve forces have been augmenting the Active Duty guys overseas because those tours (especially for the Army) just physically and emotionally tear you down. Our Active Duty forces need all the breaks they can get just to recover. This augmentation has caused the various Guard units to be short handed if a homeland disaster occurs. So, active duty Army units are now available to help them if a disaster actually occurs.

This is simply the DoD trying to do a lot with limited resources. Having the Guard and Active forces seem to switch roles may seem unnecessary until you realize that a tour supporting the Guard is a nice break from Iraq or Afghanistan.