It's the repub way.
Accuse the Dems of cheating-while they're cheating.

"Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law,"

And maybe NOT a violation...

Only the Dems commit voter fraud.

Sincerely,

The Right Wing Loons

If any drudgie ever is in the position of having their right to vote denied on election day there are two things that need to be done...

1. Do not accept a provisional ballot. Those are often just tossed away due to the work required to process them.

2. Demand to see an election official to remedy the situation.

If your state offers early voting, take advantage of it.

sayanythingblog.com

#2 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Jest,
The story in your link has no proof in facts. Sayanythingblog link no legitimate source to prove their assertion. Unless you've got more proof of their claim I guess that's why they're the "say anything" blog, because they just make shit up as-they-go.

Were they already registered in other counties?

Well the ACORN thing should be ok with 1.2 million registered voters in 12 states are ALL under question.

Bogus names, phone book, Dallas Cowboys and even a cat...

Murphy-
How often do you think "in person" voter fraud occurs (someone voting twice, or an ineligible person voting)?

I'm actually curious Murphy. How about a couple of legitimate links to proof of the allegations against ACORN. I'd like to see the hard evidence.

Removing these names "appears to violate federal law" is of course trumped by the fact that the names were registered fraudulently, which definitely violates federal law.

The ACORN conspiracy, in more than 10 states so far, is trying to steal the election from the American people. It's better to err on the side of removal, since incorrectly removed names vote in the same proportion as the rest of the public. The ACORN fraudsters all are voting for one candidate.

Both parties are into voter fraud but the crap by people who are Democratic is truly dismal.

I'm not saying that it's the Party, but the Dems being populists tend to get more of the fringe and those people do some really stupid shit.

WhatsLeft-
There are allegations against ACORN. Most, if not all, of them fall into the category of some people they hire who turn in extra forms to impress their boss, or to receive a bonus for the number of forms they turn in (this particular practice should be ended, immediately), but this has nothing to do with actual people who actually vote fraudulently.

Thought they were talking about Cindi being pulled from car #9.

Dinsey,Spiel,Murphy, et al-
How much "in person" voter fraud occurs, and who does it? (By "in person fraud", I'm referring to ACTUAL people who ACTUALLY vote fraudulently.)

Spielman-
re: ...but the Dems being populists tend to get more of the fringe...

Attended a McCain/Palin rally recently, or seen clips? These fuckers are whipped-up, unhinged, and out for blood.

Betelg:

According to your logic, it's OK to shoot at someone if they are wearing a bulletproof vest, since the vest is designed to stop the bullets. Filing one fraudulent form is a felony that should put the ACORN offenders in jail. They solicit these forms predominantly from blacks, and demographically blacks are supporting Obama by over 90%. If a non-black group "profiled" their GOTV efforts so blatantly, the Sharpton/Jackson team would be on their ass forever. You can mix it up as to WHICH KIND of crime it is, but the activity is absolutely criminal and un-American.

Dinsey-
I didn't say that people who turn in fantasy forms shouldn't be prosecuted; what I said was that it was not proof of voters voting fraudulently. You didn't answer my complete question (How much "in person" voter fraud occurs, and who does it?), aside from stating that it was "blacks" who are somehow voting fraudulently, though you can't state how often this happens, by what means, or point to an example.

There are allegations against ACORN.

#12 | Posted by BetelG

BetelG,

Has there been a thread about ACORN? I was gone a few days last week, did I miss it? Have you got a link to a good story? I tried to Google ACORN and mostly found wing-nut innuendo. I'd just like to read a legit story about what Murphy is talking about.

Dinsey-
It does seem strange that you are hyper-concerned about blacks voting fraudulently (find some cases of actual in-person voter fraud at the polls), but blithely dismissive of the documented fact that tens of thousands of ACTUAL ELIGIBLE voters are being purged from the registration rolls (See thread topic article).

WhatsLeft-
Google ACORN with a qualifier, such as "ACORN workers and bonuses for registration forms", or something like that. If you just Google "ACORN", you'll get pages of the usual suspects ranting about how the black/brown hordes are stealing elections and making American unsafe for "real Americans".

"you'll get pages of the usual suspects ranting about how the black/brown hordes are stealing elections and making American unsafe for "real Americans"."

Sounds suspiciously like the Retort.

"(find some cases of actual in-person voter fraud at the polls)"

You mean other than Ann Coulter?

BetelG,

I've searched it. I can find no significant legitimate evidence that ACORN has committed any organization wide transgression. I'm asking Murphy to come up with legitimate proof of said allegation. I would like to see it.

Isn't this just what Kathy Harris and the GOP did in Florida in 2000-taking 80,000 (black)people off the voters' lists because they had the same name as a felon?

My understanding was the ACORN workers get paid per person they sign up, so some unscrupulous employees make up names.

I haven't heard anything about an actual plan to enroll fake people and then go vote at multiple polling places as one of the fake people. I would think you would need at least a couple hundred people taking part in such a conspiracy to make it work -- and then only in an extreme case like Florida 2000.

The states using all sorts of unaccountable methods to remove thousands of registered voters from the rolls will have a much, much larger effect. They are removing tens of thousands of names!

Which as Northguy points out is exactly what happened in Florida 2000.

Sure, play the race card if that gets you out of the moral dilemma. What "communities" do you think are being organized? ACORN is being investigated in 10 or more states for their illegal activities. Putting you head up your butt and blaming a few local bosses or overenthusiastic canvassers is delusional.

They exploited a loophole in the Ohio law that allowed people to register and vote on the same day, and during that period they were picking homeless people off the street and dragging them to a polling place to vote. Then another group would take them to another polling place to repeat the procedure. The faked names probably won't lead to many faked votes, but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

Some cheating and manipulation in a national election is inevitable. As long as the cheating happens in a fairly disorganized and random manner, it doesn't affect the end result very much, as the law of averages tends to even out the error. However, when you have a criminal outfit conspiring to pad the votes for one candidate and the conspiracy is focusing on swing states where a few extra votes can make a difference, you are talking about a real challenge to democracy.

And for you people that are still in a state of denial that the main goal of ACORN is to get people to vote more than once, here's video of a person in Ohio that this happened to:

So ACORN goes out and swells the jury duty rolls, 99.9% of whom are signed up as Democrat. Pollsters are commissioned to perform polls. Their poll breakdowns are influenced by registration numbers -more Democrats registered translates to more Democrats being polled. So on any given poll, pollsters talk to more Democrats. Democratic candidates come out looking better than they would otherwise, and the media dutifully reports the poll results with all due aplomb. The end result is that Democrats get more positive media spin.

A few years ago I pulled up census and voting numbers going as far back as I could. I found the black community has never been fully represented in an election. If you compare the percentages of each race in the population with the percentages of each race in an election, the black community is always significantly under-represented.

Why is it that groups like ACORN have been out there for 30 years, allegedly trying to increase the vote in largely black neighborhoods, and yet there is zero evidence that the percentages have increased one bit? What kind of moron keeps funding an organization that consistently fails for 30 years?

Or is ACORN doing exactly what they want it to?

All this bull shit about ACORN only tells me who you listen to on the radio but very little about the truth concerning voter fraud. In virtually all the cases where ACORN is being "investigated" (by Republicans coincidentally) they have flagged the suspicious registrations and called them to the attention of the registrars of voters in the various places. This is truely a manufactured non-scandal but it is all the Rethugs have to try and combat the heavily lopsided voter registration efforts by the two parties.
Get over it Rethugs, you're going to lose the election because America hates you for what you have done to this country. Millions are losing jobs, homes, savings while you devious assholes try and steal ANOTHER election. This time I don't think it is going to work. Tough shit. Get over it.

you're going to lose the election because America hates you for what you have done to this country.

I don't know about "America" but you certainly do.

How can you "hate" that many people Danni?

I don't know about "America" but you certainly do.
How can you "hate" that many people Danni?

How Republthug, attack the messenger. Stick to what you don't know.

How Republthug, attack the messenger. Stick to what you don't know.

How libtarded. All I did was show Danni what she wrote. She presumes to either hate a lot of people or she claims to speak for a lot of others and claims that they hate a lot of other people.

Any way you slice it Danni believes there is a lot of hate going around and is justifying it.

Have I twisted her post somehow?

All I did was show Danni what she wrote.
~EBERLY

Really?*

*schmuck implied

fuck off troll.

if danni thinks I have twisted her words then let her tell me.

if danni thinks I have twisted her words then let her tell me.

LOL

Really?

Danni, you f'ing moron.

They were illegally registered to vote or is that just a technicality to you idiot libs.

Here are just a few of the voter fraud examples committed by the OBAMA backed registration wing of ACORN and other left-connected groups. If you bother to check you will find that no Republicans are ILLEGALLY registered to vote, I wonder why? All of the following headlines are taken from todays news.

4,000 'dead people' found on voter rolls in Houston...

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration...

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS: ACORN PAID ME IN CASH AND CIGS...

Voter Fraud Watch: Could ACORN Scandal in Washington Have Been Avoided With Photo ID?

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe

More ACORN fraud (What Else is New?)

ACORN commits fraud in Michigan

A ACORN Voter Registration Fraud Allegations Are Just the Tip of the iceburg..

All of these are just from today's headlines. This year the fraud by the Dems is so pervasive that even an idiot like Danni can see it.

Well maybe not Danni.

"Danni, you f'ing moron."

#36 | Posted by Mutt

Now, now.

Danni's not a moron. [citation needed]

She just believes voter fraud is OK as long as Democrats doing it.

are doing*

Let's see......

Obama's campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN during the primaries.

ACORN is accused of massive voter fraud.

Think Hillary is pissed? If the primaries had included only legally registered voters she might have won.

Meanwhile, election commissions in states like Wisconsin refuse to enforce existing federal election laws, which require them to compare voter registrations received from third-party groups to their information on file with the DMV.

As long as it involves Democrats I don't really care about voter fraud. Shake me out of my pot induced haze if a republican gets accused.
-Manni

"She just believes voter fraud is OK as long as Democrats doing it."

No I'm just smart enough to realize that individual voter fraud is a tiny problem when compared to mass purges of voting rolls, computer hacking, polls purposefully not supplied with enough voting machines, and the other things Republicans have done election after election to get the outcome they want. Hell, it shouldn't surprise anyone when you review the tactics employed during Jim Crowe in the south to prevent black people from voting, now it is just not blacks who they try to prevent from voting it's all Democrats. funny part is that the same liars who post ACORN ACORN ACORN know fully well that what I am saying is true but their patriotism is not challenged when they know elections are stolen as long as it't the Republicans doing the stealing.
You'd think that with the economic crash ongoing now they'd wake the fuck up...but no too much Kool Aide consumed for far too long to allow any independent thought.
Bend over America.

ACORN ACORN ACORN...

Yeah, wot do they hafta say about all this?

Statement from ACORN President Maude Hurd:
"On NPR last week at the Republican National Convention, Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund continued his tirades against ACORN's successful voter registration work, which added more than 1.1 million minority and low-income Americans to the rolls this election season."

Fund accuses ACORN of having "a tradition and a history of manipulating the election process and trying to sneak people in who shouldn't be voting."

Americans must determine fact versus fiction when entertaining John Fund.

Fact: ACORN has NEVER been indicted for voter fraud, violating elections laws or encouraging ineligible citizens to vote.

Fact: ACORN has challenged the status quo by helping more than 3 million minority and low-income Americans register to vote since 2004.

Fact: ACORN has won wage increases for 1.5 million low-income workers by combining voter registration drives with ballot initiatives in 2006 to pass laws in Arizona, Colorado, Missouri and Ohio, also key battleground states for this election.

Fund fails to report these facts, because they are opposed to the right-wing agenda: to suppress the minority vote. Instead, he chooses to fantasize about "voter fraud."

TBC.

Be Well.

Studies suggest there is no evidence that voters are intentionally corrupting the electoral process, let alone in numbers that dilute and "cancel" votes of other Americans as Fund contends, according to the Project Votes report, "The Politics of Voter Fraud," citing U.S. Department of Justice reports.

"Government records show that only 24 people were convicted of or pleaded guilty to illegal voting between 2002 and 2005, an average of eight people a year," according to the Project Vote report.

On the other hand, there is substantial evidence that Republicans continue to engage in "election fraud," using "caging lists" of unforwarded mail to registered voters to challenge their eligibility at the polls. The 1993 National Voter Registration Act, which Fund calls "a machine for corruption," prohibits political parties from using caging lists. The U.S. Justice Department issued a consent decree against the National GOP from operating illegal caging lists, but state chapters continued the practice.

"In 2004, political operatives targeted more than half a million voters in voter caging campaigns in nine states. At least 77,000 voters had their eligibility challenged between 2004 and 2006," according to a September 2007 Project Vote report, "Caging Democracy: a 50-year history of partisan challenges to minority voters."

The Republican caging machine is already operating in high gear this election season, putting in harm's way nearly 600,000 unsuspecting Ohio registered voters. On Sept. 5, Ohio elections officials sent out a mass mailer stamped "do not forward" to all registered voters with an absentee ballot and other information for Nov. 4.

After being pressed by a persistent NPR caller, Fund admitted to Republicans committing election fraud.

"Intimidation at the polls, blocking people from voting, sending out mailings to people that target them on the basis of race, has been part of Republican activities," Fund said on NPR. "Not recently that I've discovered in the research for my book, 'Stealing Elections.' But it has to be condemned, and it has been condemned. I condemned it."

As Spud sees it the voter fraud allegations against ACORN boil down to a few overly zealous or overly lazy employees. The larger story, the fact that the Rightards are shit scared of the new voter registration turnout cos they realise that it's mostly because of Obama's successful appeal to new voters, aint being told.

That plus the fact that the GOPhers are attempting to disinfranchise millions of legitimate voters again.

And where are the MSM on all this?

The so-called Liberal/ "In the tank fer Obama" MSM?

They are running with the ACORN story fer all they are worth on all the networks while ignoring the rethug scandals.

Apparently teh powers that be are uncomfortable with th elead Obama is building and are trying to take him down a peg or two in order to get back to theiir 49/51% solution.

Go figure.

Spud already has.

Be Well.

Don't worry, I'm sure ACORN has more than made up for the loss!

Sorry, I forgot its racist of me to expect people to only register and vote once.

RAAACCCIIIISSSTTT!!!!!

"No I'm just smart enough to realize that individual voter fraud is a tiny problem when compared to........"

Posted by danni

We are not talking about individual voter fraud. This is a large problem by an organization and not an individual. The organization was funded by the Obama campaign, at least during the primaries.

Now many of those voters are being kicked off the rolls for good reason.

However, in the mean time, Obama has stolen the nomination.

the Dems being populists tend to get more of the fringe and those people do some really stupid shit. -- #11 | Posted by Spielmannsfluch

Like pad their corporate assets with today's incarnation of junk bonds, putting the entire world economy at risk?

Let's see if I get this 'straight';

Indiana changed their laws so that people have to present a form of ID. Well, if you don't drive a car or have never left the country, you might not have a form of ID. Sorry, your constitutional rights have been rescinded. NEXT!

Sorry, Scrumplet, but there is no expressed right for individuals to vote in federal elections. It's not in the Constitution (or anywhere else). Furthermore, states provide ID cards. When Alabama (I think) was toying with requiring a photo ID, they were also going to make the state ID's free to avoid any implication of a poll tax.

I see nothing wrong with requiring a photo ID. Voting is a privilege, and if it comes with a tiny bit of personal responsibility, that's no bad thing.

Of course there are people out there who rail against personal responsibility in any form, but you can't argue with those folks. They're beyond the reach of logic.

This thread is about 'red' states cheating by throwing out legal registered voters (democrats of course) like TEXAS
#49 | Posted by dumpling

So you're pissed because Texas and other "red states" (actually the states in question are swing states, but that'd ruin your little strawman argument) are verifying that voters are *gasp* eligible to vote. What scumbags! Taking dead people off roles...why, they need representation too! And where did it say only dems' registrations were being thrown out? Let me guess - only dems know that, right? LOL

A month ago I got a notice from the Brazos Valley (TX) Courthouse responsible for voter registration; I had recently moved and my address didn't match their rolls. I was "removed" from voter rolls until I straightened up the problem - it took 5 minutes on the phone and I am now eligible to vote. Eligible voters will be sent a notification if they are suspended and can straighten out any problems over the phone or at the polls. No one asks if they're dems, reps, or independents.

Well put Bartimus.

Sorry, Scrumplet, but there is no expressed right for individuals to vote in federal elections. It's not in the Constitution (or anywhere else).

It's shocking but true. It's one of the fundamental results of the 2000 lawsuit of Bush v. Gore. According to the Supreme Court:

"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States."

Besides handing the reigns of power to a moron and his puppeteer, it decimated the rights of individual citizens. The right to vote was previously implied right, and before Bush v. Gore, had been upheld by the Supreme Court.

Facists on the right are always trying to find reasons to deny the right to vote because they know they will lose their tenuous hold on power. They pass laws denying the right to felons, knowing that it will impact Blacks and Hispanics more than Whites. They create artificial bureaucracy to ensure that the poor and undereducated will be prevented from voting. They originally tried to claim that only landowners should have a voice. If allowed, they would return to the days of the firehose -- dousing blacks who have the audacity to appear at the polls on the day of an election.

But ACORN is the irresistible force, and by golly, those registrations will keep flowing in. What if they cull out some of them. They'll miss most of them, and we'll scream and yell in the lefty way, shouting "racism" and "fascism," while we undermine the electoral process.

In England at one time anyway, a university professor, for example, could vote in two districts. Here, the left is satisfied if they can insure that minorities have multiple votes, even in the same district. The lefties yell bloody murder to thwart efforts to reduce fraudulent voting, a lefty specialty.

Lefties favor voter fraud.

Hey! give restaurant diners back their rolls!
How the hell else are they gonna sop up that gravy?

Hey! give restaurant diners back their rolls!
How the hell else are they gonna sop up that gravy?

#57 | Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-10 03:13 PM | Reply

You have got to be fucking kidding me...

You keep preaching stupidity Johnson.

You may still not be related to my Johnson-but you're still a dick.

How the hell else are they gonna sop up that gravy?

Posted by frankf55 at 2008-10-10 03:13 PM | Reply

take your tongue and lick up the gravy that's how.

Larry

If you can't give me specifics where McLame/failin' has better policys than Obama/Biden-other than tax cuts for the rich.
you have nothing but smears and innuendo to try to cloud the election.

So some dickheads that work for ACORN fake a bunch of voter registrations-prosecute them and get it over with.
Most-if not all-of them, were just to make a little more money from ACORN-no one would have voted more than once.

Now-with people who are eligible to vote-being purged from voter rolls-in the millions-to prevent them from voting-THAT is the real problem-but you guys don't want to think about that. Mainly because it favors rethugs.

News flash: Democrats attempt to maintain longstanding practice of putting ineligible voters on the rolls, and non-existent people on the rolls, and voting many times. It's just traditional Democrat Party practice, so it's anti "multiple voting poor people" to interfere at this late date. The Democrats fear they may need additional votes in swing states. Plan ahead and get illegal voters on the rolls. Do your civic duty. Vote Democrat. And vote again. And vote again. I need an algorithm.

A vote for a Democrat candidate is a vote even if it's a vote on an absentee ballot cast for a candidate by an incompetent, but prepared and submitted for the candidate of the Democrat Party helper's choice, is okay.

Chicago is the "learning field" for corruption. The dead rise from their graves on election day and vote repeatedly for Democrat candidates.

There's shit going on from both sides. It sucks, but it happens, and always will; too many dishonest fuckheads who don't want to play by the rules. Diebold in 2004 was fucking shady, and the system totally failed in 2000, electing the guy who less people voted for. It's a sham, it's a shame.

News flash: Democrats attempt to maintain longstanding practice of putting ineligible voters on the rolls

Newflash: A voter registered as a "popular fast food restaurant" won't show up to vote.