"But surely, Mr. McCain and his team can come up with a better answer to that problem than inciting more division, anger and hatred."

Evidently not.

A leopard cannot change his spots.

That's MAVERICK to you, pal.

Sidekick

Did you see his maverickness when he wandered aimlessly around the stage while 'That One' spoke?

The machinations of a man off the edge.
So mavericky!

McPalin will be gone soon enough.

John will spend the next 2 years in the Senate and retire.

Sara will still be the laughing stock of this nation and I suspect she'll be dancing with a pole for dollars in her next job.

Betcha she gets a radio or tv program.
In her mind, why, doggoneit, she's ready to be president.
Yup, you bethca.
*wink*

Fox would be glad to hire her. That's one place she would fit in.....

Did you see his maverickness when he wandered aimlessly around the stage while 'That One' spoke?

Jon Stewart did a hilarious voice over of McCadaver wandering around, asking if anybody saw his dog, Mr. Puddles.
"I've got snausages!"

Can't read the article because it is registration required.

Do they actually have even one example of a racial remark? I'm not talking about saying "that one" is actually code for "nigger". I'm talking about a real direct quote that doesn't need to be edited in order to be racist.

Anyone see an example of race baiting in that?

No,

Dammit, i was all ready to go and start railing on the poor standard of journalism then i noticed it's an editorial and hold no intellectual standard.

Race baiting? I don't think so. But they are resorting to cheap shots and innuendos which just highlights the vacuousness of their platform. Meet the new GOP, same as the old GOP.

I've been watching the debates on cnn.com and as many of you have probably seen, there is an option where you can watch the camera feed and at the bottom of the screen you get a real-time graphic representation of peoples' reaction as the candidates speak (or spew) with 3 lines: one for republicans, one for democrats and one for independents. Every time any of the candidates went negative on their opponent, the lines for all except partisans dropped, showing that people are sick and tired of pre-school antics, especially considering the nation's state of affairs.

Sully, I doubt it. You know as well as I that innuendo is as good as blatant when it comes to the knowing "wink" between people who judge others by their ethnicity. "That one" is just an example, as is the use of Obama's middle name to emphasize his ethnicity in a negative light. You know that to be true. When you are trying to appeal to racists, you need only give them that little "nod" that lets them know whose side you're on.

Sal, are you pleased with the tenor of McCain's 100% negative campaign ads?

Would you like to see more substance in his campaigning?

Nobody reads or cares what the NYT says anymore. They are in the tank for Ears as is the rest of the Main Piss Stream Media.

It's hilarious how all of you lefty loonies know about the codes, nods, and secretive words that racists use.
Hell, I'm as racially insensitive as they come, and for some reason I'm just not seeing the "code" or the "wink", or the "nod".

Could it be that you fruitcakes are looking to be offended again? Could it really be possible that a bunch of limpwristed sallies want to be outraged?

It's always "the sky is falling" or somebody is a racist.
You guys are good for entertainment, but that's about it (yes, that was code...I was secretly talking about blacks).

"It's hilarious how all of you lefty loonies know about the codes, nods, and secretive words that racists use."

It's because they are the real racists. They are obsessed with race and can't help but think that any time anyone dislikes a black person, it must be because they are black. If that isn't racist I don't know what is.

ah yes the NY times.

so how is their paper doing these days?

and they might actually begin to worry a little about a possible obama presidency because that will mean the end of free speech as we know it........
they will start with talk radio and call it hate speech...*(ALREADY HAPPENED)..........and then what if the times says something they dont like
the campaign already expects to hear NOTHING of his past or his past acquaintences and business partners.............
because if you do.......you are called a rascists AND THAT would only get worse if he is in the white house

and AGAIN>>>>>>>>>>ITS THE LEFT WHO PLAYS THE RACE CARD TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME

"Sal, are you pleased with the tenor of McCain's 100% negative campaign ads?

Would you like to see more substance in his campaigning?"

Substance has not worked. Obama has succeeded in turning mccain into bush in the eyes of the public. I thought mccain did a fine job earlier but now he has to sink down to obamas level. The people don't want to know who has stood up for what they believe in otherwise mccain would be a shoe in. They want gossip, they want scandal, they want dirt. People have not responded to the only candidate that can say he has done anything, instead opted for the other because he is more charismatic. See, it's not the issues, it's not the character, it's not the qualifications, it's not the experience, it's not the history, it's dirt America responds to, and mccains people think it's time to hit back. While it is unfortunate they are being forced to do this, it's not hard to see why.

"Sully, I doubt it. You know as well as I that innuendo is as good as blatant when it comes to the knowing "wink" between people who judge others by their ethnicity. "That one" is just an example, as is the use of Obama's middle name to emphasize his ethnicity in a negative light. You know that to be true. When you are trying to appeal to racists, you need only give them that little "nod" that lets them know whose side you're on."

I don't see how "that one" refers to race at all. Is it a show of contempt? Sure. But it has nothing to do with race. If he said it to a woman, it would "sexist", to a jew then it would be "anit-semetic". And if he said to a white Christian male it would have been taken as a simple show of contempt. That's how you know the racism claim is bullshit in that case.

Do racists sometimes use innuendo? Sure. But racial opportunists also look to find offense wherever they can so they can exploit the "controversy" to their ends. And since racial opportunists currently hold much more power in this country than bigots, they bother me more.

I see the shreiking about racism as harming Obama more than helping. Because it is becoming apparent to me that if Obama is elected, we will be bombarded with constant cries of racism anytime someone has a problem with him. And that bothers me quite a bit. I previously never even thought about that. And I'm an undecided independent voter.

" Obama has succeeded in turning mccain into bush in the eyes of the public."

I'm sure McCain's 90% agreement rate had nothing to do with it. Nor did last year's 95%, or this year's 100% rate. And I'm sure Americans can't possibly make the connection that, as they've been moving further and further away from Bush, John McCain has been moving closer and closer.

"The people don't want to know who has stood up for what they believe in otherwise mccain would be a shoe in"

Which stance, exactly? His disdain for tax cuts for the wealthiest, or his embrace of it? His disdain for the "agents of intolerance", or his embrace of them? His vote against torture, or his vote for it? Which stance, exactly?

I love it when libs bring up the rate of votes between mccain and bush and leave it at that.........
how many names of post offices or things LIKE that are included in that per centage,
not long ago when mccain was the darling of the media he was anti bush at most every turn but now that he is a danger to the democrat RIGHTFULL place of the messiah...........well oh shit.........thats different

and barry HAS NEVER HAD THE BALLS TO go against the liberal machine....NEVER........

I guess he was too busy getting sweet land deals from chicago GANGSTERS and partying with domestic terrorist to think that much aboutit

and he is also a liar.....
the campaign has said that he stopped smoking and a reporter talking to him said that he reaked of cigarette smoke.........

of course ITS ONLY SMOKING and like sex you can lie about that to the country as well as your wife.......

(I CAN GET IN A CLINTON ANY TIME ANYWHERE>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"barry HAS NEVER HAD THE BALLS TO go against the liberal machine....NEVER..."

I'm sure the Republican co-author of the ethics bill would disagree.

Every criticism of Obama, for the next four years, will be thrown into a racial context. Every. Single. Time. Every joke. Every SNL skit. Every Letterman or Leno joke. Every political cartoon. Every editorial. There will be a thousand new entries into the PC dictionary, which terms and facial expressions and descriptors and adverbs and tones that cannot be used when discussing The Great Obama.

When McCain was running against the Republican party on every issue from taxes to energy, he was the darling of the mass media. They couldn't sing his praises enough. Now that he's in an actual election against one of their favorites, he's learning they were never his friends to begin with. Fascinating, how a guy whose immigration policy consists of throwing the turnstiles open to anyone who wants to come, is now accused of being racist merely because the guy he's running against is half black.

I'm going to love the next four years. As hysterical as the libbies are now, it's only going to get worse. And it'll be better than TV.

"Now that he's in an actual election against one of their favorites, he's learning they were never his friends to begin with."

I'm sure reversing all of his "maverick" positions had nothing to do with it.

BLT, if you're gonna keep using the name Obama was known as in much younger days should we now start referring to you as "Winky"?

I am so sick of the left and there BS that if you criticize Obama, or link him to a domestic terrorist, or say anything about him that you are RACE baiting or a racist.

Is that the only defense you pathetic excuses for human being have. Do you want some Cheese with that Whine!!!

"His disdain for tax cuts for the wealthiest, or his embrace of it?"

?

" His disdain for the "agents of intolerance", or his embrace of them?"

?

as for torture, you are talking a definition, nothing more.

Now if you move to a few of the positives (i know they won't be on your cheat sheet)

Mccain has been willing to take numorus black eyes by voting down bills with wasteful spending.
He has personally pushed through amendments to slow bad spending. Even though he knows the vote will look bad on his record(see military votes).

He has supported charter schools even though it loosed some union support.

He had been bi-partisan even when it gains him scorn from his own party, if it is what is right for the country.

He has pushed for a smaller more effective national government even though it doesent fit with the rest of the leaders ideals.

What has obama ever stood for, besides himself?

I guess he was too busy getting sweet land deals from chicago GANGSTERS and partying with domestic terrorist to think that much aboutit

and he is also a liar.....
Posted by BLT

Good thing McCain never got in trouble with that Keating guy. He knew that Keating was trying to scam a whole bunch of people and he went along with it as long as he got his perks. That's change you can believe in!

If the GOP cant win by running on their record after the last 8 years when they controlled all three branches of government and the press too, then they should be sent back to minority party status. They deserve to be defeated.

The voters are not buying the GOP brand any more.

Watch McSame's numbers continue to fall if he keeps this up.

He can send the women folk to bash Obama if he aint man enough to launch the "pals around with terrorists" BS himself, but when he pussy's out in a face to face meeting with 'That One' he aint impressin anybody.

Since the old man has nothing to sell but name calling, he aught to man up and say it to Obama's face in the next debate.

Oh, and by the way, we have all your old posts where you guys and gals excoriated all the lefty's for just hating W. Unpatriotic you said it was.

Expect to see some of those posts rubbed into yer face when Obama wins.

You righties are on notice now. YOU ARE NO LONGER MAIN STREAM AMERICA.

That time has passed. Look in the mirror and see the fanatic right wing manority; as the kids say, Own it Bitches.

#31 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Nice. With that attitude I see your position reversed in, oh, about 4 years from now.

Yesterday, during an introduction in Lehigh, Pennsylvania, William Platt (who is some high mucky-muck in the Pennsylvania repulsican organization) made the following comment "Imagine you woke up on November 5 to find Barak Hussein Obama was elected president and you could have VOLUNTEERED TO PREVENT IT". Now tell me why this guy isn't sitting in a jail cell somewhere while he tries to explain his big mouth to Secret Service agents? Palin is out of control and she is encouraging her supporters to be out of control as well. Muzzle the bitch before it's too late.

"This is getting nerve racking."

Agreed. Especially when you think about Florida, Ohio, and the last two elections.

The wounds of slavery have not healed. Can't ignore history. And racism still exists. We can at least do blacks a favor by being a bit more careful and sensitive about what we say, instead of leaving so much room for tension and misunderstandings. You want to criticize, you'll have to bring factual data to the table and be explicit. Insinuations are low-blow.

"If the GOP cant win by running on their record after the last 8 years when they controlled all three branches of government and the press too,"

First, i would have to disagree with the press statement. Study after study has shown the opposite to be true.

Second, how much has the congressional favorability rating gone up with the dems in power?

And thirdly, it would seem that you are advocating disregarding the person and voting for the little r or d next to their name. Yes, republicans do not do what they promised, but you will deny the only legitimate candidate based on his party choice? Are Americans really that petty? Will we sacrifice this country to "teach a lesson" to those that don't care? I for one am would at least entertain the thought of voting against my party and i can tell you i'm damn sure that if someone as unexperienced, unethical, lying, cheating, and manipulative sa obama was coming from my side, i would at the very least vote third party.

Anyone surprised by the low road of the McBush campaign must have missed McBush's response when during the primary season one elderly woman asked him what he would do about "the bitch" to which he responded..."good question."

Bart,
Feel free to come back in 4 years to tell me so.

Ha! Scary Failin mentions the NYTs in one of her Nuremberg rallies er rethug 'attack dawg' speeches and the audience, already whipped up to a fever pitch of hate, goes BOOOOOO while others in the audience scream out that Obama is a "terrorist" and some even resort to screaming out the 'N' word according to some reports.

Coupla days later the NYT comes out with an editorial condemning the practise.

A day later the DR Rtards show up and try to condone the practise while taking a few shots at the NYT, the paper they so loves to hate.

As predictable as they are pathetic.

Hate is the true face of so-called compassionate conservatism.

Party of Lies.
Culture of Death and Divisiveness.

It's pretty much all they got left.

It aint enuff.

G08ama '08.

Be Well.

/Like a tater o' doom do, entering the rebellious Retort,
stage left.

First, i would have to disagree with the press statement. Study after study has shown the opposite to be true.

Second, how much has the congressional favorability rating gone up with the dems in power?
Posted by Salamandgator

I guess everybody's supposed to stick their heads in the sand and not notice what's happening.

Also, regarding the dems being "in power"...are you saying they have veto-override power? If not, then they're not really "in power". Bush would just veto whatever they submitted.

Sully, I disagree with you. The Republicans are counting on racism. Polls show that even a percentage of Democrats view Obama's race as a factor in making their voting choice. As much as you or I would like to believe racism is a non-issue, it is a reality.

I've still not heard a reasonable explanation as to why Obama's middle name is often used and inflectively highighted. I suppose that has nothing to do with fear-mongering and xenophobia?

Racism can be found everywhere if you are looking for it.

If minorities stop looking for RACE issues in everything maybe we can begin to heal and move forward.

OH wait thats right then what would you leftist Cry babies have to bitch about...

BLT, if you're gonna keep using the name Obama was known as in much younger days should we now start referring to you as "Winky"?

#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I will tell you the truth

barry fits my self taught typing better than obama..........

and its the name he went by before he realized all of the breaks he would get as a politician if he used barak instead of barry

Okay, E-1, when majorities stop using race to divide and attack, minorities can stop acknowledging that fact. Are there minorities that play the race card? Absolutely. Are the Republicans race baiting the election? You betcha.

"leftist Cry babies"?

Man, that's sooo 101 circa 2007. Get new material.

Good thing McCain never got in trouble with that Keating guy. He knew that Keating was trying to scam a whole bunch of people and he went along with it as long as he got his perks. That's change you can believe in!

#30 | Posted by rjgonzalez at 2008-10-09 11

AGAIN>........look at the facts and dont just throw that around

prosecutor is on record as saying that mccain shouldnt have even been there and if you use mccain you CANT IGNORE JOHN GLENN who is an OBAMA ADVISOR to this day..........

This is getting nerve racking."

Agreed. Especially when you think about Florida, Ohio, and the last two elections.

#35 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

ah yes the setup..

you sound like carvill

if he loses there will be riots and the election will have to be rigged..........

typical

have a great day both of you

EVASH please give me one example. Not a stretch or a reach but a TRUE example of HOW McCain and Palin are using racism in this campaign.

Oh wait you can't thats right because without bending or stretching and using false accusations you can't find it...

"Polls show that even a percentage of Democrats view Obama's race as a factor in making their voting choice."

The Republicans are frustrated because most of America has moved past the racial divide which has allowed them to win elections for decades. Kennedy noted that if he went forward with civil rights legislation it would cost the Democrats the south for decades, he was right. Those decades though are finally coming to an end and many white Christians in the deep south are happily going to vote for Barrack Obama and it is driving the Republicans nuts. Probably never again will they be able to use race as their ticket to the WH and America will be better for it.

When discussing the Congress if you don't include filibusters in your discussion then you are wasting your time.

I suppose that has nothing to do with fear-mongering and xenophobia?

#42 | Posted by evashogouk

Why doesn't the left just start using McCain's middle name also? Fair is fair. I mean, Barack is proud of his name - else why flip flop between Barry and Barack. He does not seem to have a problem with it, why do you? He could have changed his middle name, just like Ocho Cinco did.

"When discussing the Congress if you don't include filibusters in your discussion then you are wasting your time.

Unless you are talking specifically about presidential veto power.

ELCIDCE.......How does it feel to live in fear?

Barack is not afraid of your racist...as is shown by not changing his middle name Hussein.

I think he should start using Hussein as his primary name. It would scare that fucking shit out of you backwoods racist.

Funny. He will win...and you will be stuck with a president that doesnt promote fear of others.

You will never change...but the world is. Deal with it!

When libs are getting bitch slapped they always say in a lisp "You are thuch a rathist" as they paw like a cat.

Its amazing that you can't criticize a candidate if he happens to be black without being called a racist. Simply amazing.

"Sully, I disagree with you. The Republicans are counting on racism. Polls show that even a percentage of Democrats view Obama's race as a factor in making their voting choice. As much as you or I would like to believe racism is a non-issue, it is a reality."

I didn't say that there aren't bigots who won't vote for Obama because he is black. There are older members of my own extended family who are terrified by Obama for no other reason. Those people are going to vote for McCain no matter what. What I don't find convincing is the arguement that McCain needs to constantly remind racsists that Obama is black. Who doesn't know the guy is black?

My point was that I don't want a president who can't be criticized because anyone who says anything bad about him is "racist". I shudder at the thought of an Obama presidency creating a new generations of Al Sharptons who will be making wild accusations on TV every day against any and all critics for his entire term. I take claims of racism seriously and don't think it is an accusation that should be tossed around lightly. The sad part is that Obama doesn't whine about race. It is his supporters that turn people off by bleating on and on about it.

"When libs are getting bitch slapped they always say in a lisp "You are thuch a rathist" as they paw like a cat."

As if the the GOP doesn't do the same thing when they whine about "big city elites" picking on "Joe Six pack" when someone rightfully points out that Sara Palin has no Earthly idea what the fuck she is blabbering about most of the time.

And I've also seen plenty of right wing sissies on this site resort to hiding behind "dead babies" when they get cornered on a thread that has nothing to do with abortion.

Sully, can you give us "Right Wing Sissies" one TRUE example of Racism being used by McCain and Palin?

PLEASE!!!!

Again, NOT SOME stretch or reach or twist or Spin an actual example of it...

Nobody reads or cares what the NYT says anymore. They are in the tank for Ears as is the rest of the Main Piss Stream Media.

#15 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-10-09 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sara 'Failin' Palin seems to read the NYT......and she seems to care (according to her own words).....but I agree with you, Sara 'The Secessionist' Palin is a complete 'nobody'.

"Sully, can you give us "Right Wing Sissies" one TRUE example of Racism being used by McCain and Palin?"

Armyof1 - I've actually posted a couple of times on this very thread saying I haven't seen any examples myself and saying that it bothers me that Obama supporters are constantly whining about this.

So other than you being retarded, I see no reason for you to address such a request to me.

Now tell me why this guy isn't sitting in a jail cell somewhere while he tries to explain his big mouth to Secret Service agents? Palin is out of control and she is encouraging her supporters to be out of control as well. Muzzle the bitch before it's too late.

#34 | Posted by DawnGlo at 2008-10-09 11:49 AM | Reply |

This is a perfect example of how batshit fucking crazy you freaks are.
An Obama Presidency is going to be an absolute scream. You fucking limpwristed fools can't help but display Faux Outrage.

Honestly, how does somebody as stupid as you get through a day without being hurt?

I'll play the card.

John McCain is going to lose to a Black Guy!!!!

Of course McCain is pissed. McCain is going to be the first grey haired White guy to lose a Presidential Election to a Black guy in the history of the Country and there isn't anything he can do about it.

For a guy like McCain who was raised thinking he was better than black people that has to fucking sting like no other.

John McCain couldn't even beat a black guy in an election. Now that's fucking funny.

not only a black guy but black guy with a middle name hussein and a last name that ryhmes with osama!

"You fucking limpwristed fools"

Ahh... I'm basking in the retro-101 glow of that statement... it's like warm chocolate...

C'mon, man, you know you want to rock out the pants-pissers...

C'mon, man, you know you want to rock out the pants-pissers...

#65 | Posted by evashogouki at 2008-10-09 02:21 PM | Reply

Maybe in a little bit. Right now I'm trying to come up with a term for toddler toucher that won't get me a dump...

Baby Bouncer?

Okay, I've been convinced: I'm voting Republican now...

"An Obama Presidency is going to be an absolute scream."

Funny you say that during the biggest economic crisis since the depression. I think there will be a lot of screaming alright but I think most of it will be before Obama ever goes near the WH. I believe I'm beginning to hear it all over the place when people look at 401Ks, lose jobs, etc.
Meanwhile 101 thinks an Obama presidency will be a "scream" because his skin is dark. I guess that is Logic 101.

Maybe in a little bit. Right now I'm trying to come up with a term for toddler toucher that won't get me a dump...

Pedobamas?

Kiddie Diddler?

BarneyFrankophiles?

All dumpable offenses. I just don't get why we can't call eachother Child Chasers, Baby Bouncers, Kiddie Diddlers, Toddler Touchers, Teen Taggers, etc...
Same with telling another poster to kill themself. It's getting tougher and tougher to be obnoxious around here.

What the fuck is this place coming too? At least Jews are still fair game...

Hey Chairbound - thank you! A day without an insult from you is like a day without sunshine! I can smile for the rest of the day now! Kisses and Hugs!

"ah yes the setup..

you sound like carvill

if he loses there will be riots and the election will have to be rigged.........."

Okay, BLT -

I'm not saying the last two elections were rigged. I'm not saying the last two elections were not rigged.

But I am saying there were huge irregularities in both of those states in each of the last two elections, plus judicial and state-government maneuverings the likes of which this country has never seen. The result in both cases was to award the election to Bush via the Electoral College, when the popular vote favored his opponent both times.

If anything like this had happened to you righties, we'd never hear the end of it. Lush Rimjob would never shut up about it. Faux News would still be doing what passes for investigative reports around there. Your blogs would still be seething and roiling about it twenty years from now.

We liberals are just supposed to hum a few bars of Que Sera, Sera and forget about it all.

I've never even heard of you until today. Don't flatter yourself.

Wow, you've been around for a while. How did I miss somebody as fucking crazy as you?

What the fuck is this place coming too?

Just a reflection of the latest trend. Party over Country. It has become blame Bush and the repubs for all your ills. Even going as far as voting for a sitting Senator who was handed both his State and US seats. Voting for someone who somehow thinks has earned and deserves to be POTUS during these times. Even though he has absolutley nothing in traditional, electable qualifications of most past Presidents. Who would poll nationally below Russ Feingold if not for his color. Obama, Pelosi, Reid. Anyone who supports this ticket deserves the undeniable hardships and pain caused by the demise of our Country in the next few years.

The result in both cases was to award the election to Bush via the Electoral College, when the popular vote favored his opponent both times.

Which popular vote was that in 2004? Coke vs Pepsi? Bud Light Vs Miller Lite? American Idol?

"Just a reflection of the latest trend. Party over Country. It has become blame Bush and the repubs for all your ills. Even going as far as voting for a sitting Senator who was handed both his State and US seats. Voting for someone who somehow thinks has earned and deserves to be POTUS during these times. Even though he has absolutley nothing in traditional, electable qualifications of most past Presidents."

Translation: My guy isn't going to win.

Boo hoo. Now you know how people who don't support Bush just because he has an R after his name feel about that accident of birth getting re-elected after he started a war for no reason and then couldn't be bothered to plan it properly, wasting the lives of thousands of Americans in the process. Talk about putting party over country.....

"All dumpable offenses. I just don't get why we can't call eachother Child Chasers, Baby Bouncers, Kiddie Diddlers, Toddler Touchers, Teen Taggers, etc..."

How about if you just refer to someone as the King of Pop?

Or the King of Fucking Little Kids?

"Anyone who supports this ticket deserves the undeniable hardships and pain caused by the demise of our Country in the next few years."

A bit late with that Crispee, we'll all be dealing with the demise of the country engineered by Bush and the Republicans. Apparently you live in a vacuum where no news penetrates.

How about if you just refer to someone as the King of Pop?

#82 | Posted by Sully at 2008-10-09 03:13 PM | Reply |

Perfect. You're a smart mother fucker.

" mother fucker."

no i dug her up, you fuck her

A bit late with that Crispee, we'll all be dealing with the demise of the country engineered by Bush and the Republicans. Apparently you live in a vacuum where no news penetrates.

Sorry I don't feel your pain. If anyone should be complaing about the current economic situations,it is direct lenders. But like most people we can't afford to sit around and blame a party. We either go out and find new Investors lending or we close shop. We find brokers looking to place loans or we close shop. I know sacrifice and hard work are foreign to most libs like yourself. I think it beats the hell out of trying to find blame on something or someone other than ourselves. Try it sometime.

"Anyone who supports this ticket deserves the undeniable hardships and pain caused by the demise of our Country in the next few years."

Seems you spend your time blaming people for unknown things in advance just because the are Democrats or is it because he is black???
Your earlier post sort of makes your latest look pretty foolish donchathink???

Democrats or is it because he is black???
Your earlier post sort of makes your latest look pretty foolish donchathink???

I think 101 had it right. You are a retard. What part of color does Reid and Pelosi have to do with the leadership ticket? Or does reading a complete sentence hurt?

Boo hoo. Now you know how people who don't support Bush just because he has an R after his name feel about that accident of birth getting re-elected after he started a war for no reason and then couldn't be bothered to plan it properly, wasting the lives of thousands of Americans in the process. Talk about putting party over country.....

Not denying I have never voted for anyone with a D after their name. In Kerry's case it wasn't party over Country. It was lack of honor for Country. Why would I want someone who launched his career calling Vets rapsits and murderers? Who went and spit on Vets of past generations by denouncing his service and throwing his medals away? Who would have allowed Saddam Hussein to control Kuwait and periled the fifty thousand americans living in the country? I couldn't think of anyone worse than Kerry while troops were in Iraq and Afghanistan.

New York Times has no CREDIBILITY --- only a fool will swallow what these conceited writers vomit daily on unsuspecting Americans.

New York Times has no CREDIBILITY --- only a fool will swallow what these conceited writers vomit daily on unsuspecting Americans.

It isn't just the Ny Times. You have the AP, Reuters, CNN, NBC... How else does one explain we knowing more about Palin in one month than Obamas entire political career?

"I couldn't think of anyone worse than Kerry while troops were in Iraq and Afghanistan."

I actually agree with some of the stuff you said about Kerry. But I can't imagine a worse CIC than Bush. We were already at war with our real enemey when he started the war in Iraq. So he fucked the soldiers serving in Afghanistan by making their mission 2nd priority. And now it comes out that political concerns contributed greatly to Bin Laden's escape.

Then he couldn't even be bothered to have a plan for Iraq. You talk about spitting on troops? What Kerry did is like pinning a medal on their chests compared to what Bush did. Sending guys to war for false reasons and without bothering to formulate a complete plan first is about as disrespectful you can be short of shooting them in the face. Not only that, but he talks like this shitfest is WWII and at the same time refuses to collect the taxes to properly fund the war.

Would ever send people to war without bothering to have a plan first? I don't understand why Americans aren't more pissed about this. To me, this is the ultimate betrayal of the people who have pledged their lives to protect us.

Would ever send people to war without bothering to have a plan first?

How did the invasion of Normandy go? Okinawa? Midland? How well did the Navy plan for kamikazees? I am not denying we had our fuck ups. I try and justify the mistakes thinking it could be much, much worse and hope to hell they are not repeated. Nothing could have been worse for our Country than pulling out like Vietnam.

Crispee??

Stop arguing about history and get to the kitchen and make me some baked ziti.

Crispee??

Stop arguing about history and get to the kitchen and make me some baked ziti.

Mi bella fiore! Come sti? The only left leaning poster I would take a bullet for on this entire site. How are you and the future republican?

"How did the invasion of Normandy go? Okinawa? Midland? How well did the Navy plan for kamikazees?"

You're trying to say we half-assed D-day the way Bush did Iraq? LOL.

Not only that but you are comparing individual battles to Bush's nation building exercise in Iraq. This was his plan for Iraq.

1. Invade country
2. Overturn Saddam
3. ?
4. Democracy!

Alot of good people have died while they've been trying to figure out #3. If you are going to try something like this, you don't half ass it. I actually believed before the war that we had some kind of deal worked out with a powerful general or Iraqi leader of some sort who would step in for Saddam immediately until we could get things under control. Because that is the only way any of the shit the Bushies were saying about how easy this would be made any sense. Turns out, they were just talking about their asses. Not only did they not know how to achieve their utlimate goal, they couldn't be bothered to think about it.

I'm sorry but you do yourself and anyone involved in WWII a disservice by comparing the assholes we have in power now to the leaders we had back then.

Hi sweetie!!!

There is no future republican, angel. I'm raising him to be an independent, to think for himself without falling into the pit of partisanship where all logical thinking stops.

HAHAHA

I'm sooo much better and things are wonderful, thank you for asking.

How are you?

I'm sorry but you do yourself and anyone involved in WWII a disservice by comparing the assholes we have in power now to the leaders we had back then.

Obviously the point went over your head Sully. Even the best plans can be failures. I wish Bush did use the same tactics of WW11. Wipe out half the Country like we did to Germany and Japan. Instead we tried to win this war with kid gloves instead of brutal force. Good luck with that plan while Kennedy, Reid and the rest of Dems are still in office.

I'm sooo much better and things are wonderful, thank you for asking.

How are you?

#97 | Posted by Lisa at 2008-10-09 04:55 PM

Maddie and I are hanging in there. Still playing a lot of golf and fishing. I have had to cut down on the long camping trips and have been staying local. Always happy to see you post and I am real glad knowing things are going well for you and the Independent.

"Obviously the point went over your head Sully. Even the best plans can be failures."

That's what I get for being nice and not pointing out how completely idiotic your whole comparison really was. You even mentioned kamikazes in some crazy attempt to compare a sneaky tactic the Navy didn't anticipate with failing to plan a war that we were initiating. That betrays a wealth of stupidity on your end.

My point was that Bush didn't have a plan. You have not disputed it. Instead you say "Well even the best plans can fail...."

So what does that mean? Since no plan is fool proof, mind as well not have a plan?

Talk about being a hack......

Glad all is well with you and your furry companion!

I'll be back later...need to make dinner. (well someone's gotta...you're not!)

That's what I get for being nice and not pointing out how completely idiotic your whole comparison really was. You even mentioned kamikazes in some crazy attempt to compare a sneaky tactic the Navy didn't anticipate with failing to plan a war that we were initiating. That betrays a wealth of stupidity on your end.

That's what I get for pointing out obvious comparisons. I will try and dummy it down for you next time. Only a complete moron thinks all battle plans should be succesful.

I'll be back later...need to make dinner. (well someone's gotta...you're not!)

I figured you had plenty of guys willing to make you dinner. I didn't want to get in the way you know. Hell talking to me makes you a victim of circumstance on Drudge. Treating me like a human. How dare you.

"I figured you had plenty of guys willing to make you dinner. I didn't want to get in the way you know. Hell talking to me makes you a victim of circumstance on Drudge. Treating me like a human. How dare you."

LOL

Nawww...just one guy.

And of course I treat you like a human being. I dare easy....you're one of my favorites!!!

And of course I treat you like a human being. I dare easy....you're one of my favorites!!!

Right back at you Lisa. You never fail to put a smile on my mug. Even when I know you are wrong. (LOL)

"That's what I get for pointing out obvious comparisons."

Your comparisons are completely assinine. Since you are stupid, you don't know this. Anyone else who reads that shit does. Trust me.

"I will try and dummy it down for you next time."

Please do. I can't wait to see how and idiot pretends to be even more stupid....

"Only a complete moron thinks all battle plans should be succesful."

Considering I never said that, I don't know why you bring it up. I said there was no plan for Iraq or an incomplete plan at best. That is a betrayal, not a mistake or a failure. That is why you can't compare it to a plan that just didn't work. Someone who tries and fails at least puts in an effort. Bush couldn't be bothered, even though American lives were at stake. And you are trying to defend him with ridiculous deflections that just make you look like an idiot. Why?

Do I see some flirting on DR. Forget it, politics is better than sex.

"politics is better than sex."

Hmmmm....not gettin' any are ya?

I dare say NONE of us is getting any sitting at our keyboard. (Though if I tab over to that other internet page I can watch it...)

Nothing could have been worse for our Country than pulling out like Vietnam.

Crispee you are being selective as usual.

They all seem to be here. Well, most of 'em, And down to their last "n-i-g-g-e-r. " Thom, Sal, 101, BLT, Army, TakeIt and Crispy continue to drool, but there's a sense of defeat in their shit. Can we expect them, Johnson and Ooey, Eb and Nancy to move to a more fascist land once democracy returns to the USA?

They all seem to be here. Well, most of 'em, And down to their last "n-i-g-g-e-r.

Race has nothing to do with calling out Obama and his blatant lies about Ayres. It has everything to do with race that the media has ignored these lies. Just like Wright and the thousands of dollars Obama directed to the church. They ignore his relationship with Rezko. Including Rezko's wife selling part of the same lot to a donor who has given Obama thousands of dollars. They have yet to look into Obamas paid Chair at the Joyce Foundation. They don't seem interested in the Chicago Tribune threatening to expose his dem opponents divorce. Not to mention the Trib going out to California and finding a judge to unseal his opponents divorce proceeding. He has allocated millions of dollars to the same school Ayres teaches as well as his wifes employers.

I can see why Obama plays the race card.

Can we expect them, Johnson and Ooey, Eb and Nancy to move to a more fascist land once democracy returns to the USA?

democracy never left idiot. quit crying like a pussy.

111 | Posted by herm

Herm, you will still be a miserable shit after Obama is elected. You will still be here bitching and moaning about "fetal rights" people who aren't threatening any woman's right to terminate her pregnancy.

"...democracy never left idiot. quit crying like a pussy."

I'm REALLY trying to make sense out of this. Democracy never WHAT? And why am I a left idiot? And out cat rarely cries. He is a Democrat through and through.

Now then, I think Eb tries to imply that we have a democracy, even though his people would insist that it's not, it's a republic. Whatever we have, we will always have Eberly's corporate masters convincing us to vote against our own best interests. And if President O'Bama REALLY threatened to change anything, those corporate masters would bury him alongside King and the Kennedys in no time. But something approaching democracy will return in January, and it's up to Barack how much he chooses to repair. herm

But something approaching democracy will return in January, and it's up to Barack how much he chooses to repair. herm

democracy is something I have and you have Herm.

MY democracy never left. But you presume to believe that YOUR democracy left. Furthermore, 5 minutes after Obama's inauguration, it will magically reappear??

Whatever we have, we will always have Eberly's corporate masters convincing us to vote against our own best interests.

who? "corporate masters"?

5 minutes after Obama's inauguration, it will magically reappear??

Do you suppose there's a chance in hell Obama will have a honeymoon period?

I remember distinctly seeing my first Impeach Clinton bumper sticker on 1-20-93.

democracy never left idiot. quit crying like a pussy."

Hmmm, I think herm could debate this.

On this blog board there are threads about people being removed from voting for no apparent reason, I suppose that falls in Eberly's realm of democracy.

Eberly thinks that's OK, it is getting rid of the voters he doesn't like.

Do you suppose there's a chance in hell Obama will have a honeymoon period?

No fucking way, this democratic party has been on a honeymoon for years now. Fuck, talk about willing for our dollars to be wasted.

Eberly thinks that's OK, it is getting rid of the voters he doesn't like.

No I don't. Nor do I approve of illegal wire-tapping. These are things that do infringe on democracy.

So did slavery, and women not being able to vote, and the internment of Japanese Americans.

All these things have occured during our nation's history. I guess we have never had democracy so how could it be removed now??

Democracy is never 100% perfect and there are things that occur that certainly go against democracy and GWB is (IMO) guilty of infringing on democracy.

But considering some of the awful things that have occured in this country I guess we never had a democracy then right????

Of course not.

On this blog board there are threads about people being removed from voting for no apparent reason

We have also had threads on smoke stacks on the moon, 9-11 conspiracy theories and (MY PERSONAL FAVORITE) threads about Bush Sr assraping orphans in Nebraska.

:-(

The NYT puts out the story and then says that the McCain campaign is race baiting..That is a hoot! ;o)

Classic Rules for Radicals protocol.

The polls are all over the board--Obama is lacking in character and judgment. He can't close the deal.

For a guy who went to a racist church for like 1000 times over the last 20 years and didn't know the Pastor was a racist.

A guy, Ayres, who "sought out" Obama to be his partner in giving money to ACORN and didn't do a damn thing to help education. His first executive job and failed miserably. And that price tag was 100 million and couldn't do a damn thing to raise grades but only to indoctinate kids to the left. BTW--Ayres sought out Obama for this CEO project because Obama is black and Harvard and agreed with the indoctrination.

The Obama campaign is freaking out--no accomplishments--votes 133 times Present in Illinois. On and on and on..

It's not that there was not a democracy, it is the regression/backwards movement in this democracy that is occurring at the hands of the republicans and this administration. And what is worse, we have had people like YOU defending their undemocratic unconstitutional ways for the last 8 years.

After reading what you have defended over the last few years, it would be a wonder if YOU actually know what a democracy is truely.