Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, October 07, 2008

Seven employees of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's administration have agreed to give statements in the state legislature's investigation into her firing of the state's public safety commissioner, the attorney general and lawmakers involved in the probe said Sunday.

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........they will shuck and jive until the elections are over.......

www.electoral-vote.com

Looks like it is over....

Obama 349 McCain 174 Ties 15

McCain needs a huge showing at the debate tonite. Also look for 527 to start sending out ads that Obama is "black".

The more negative McCain goes, the farther he positions as a same old same old candidate. Not very mavericky.

Looks like the 9% chance of change with McCain is dropping like a rock.

I'm sure if they value their life style they had better stick up for Palin..........

Ah, cooperation from the Palin camp.

After everyone has had a chance to compare stories and do a bit of editing, of course.

Seven Palin Aides Will Give Statements in Troopergate

Troopergate? LOL!!


I think people are going to be more concerned about Obama's WrightGate (ReverendGate?)

Or, even worse, AyersGate?


I think having political links to known terrorists is a whole bunch more worse than firing someone. Hmmmmm.

The Libs have a warped sense of ideals. Oh well.

Ah, poor Eddie holding onto the tired old fear and smear tactics of the past.

Not very mavericky.

"The Libs have a warped sense of ideals. "

Posts a guy who wants to hold Obama responsible for what someone else did when Obama was eight.


"The Libs have a warped sense of ideals. "


Posts a guy who wants to hold Obama responsible for what someone else did when Obama was eight.

#7 | Posted by Danforth


You and 726 can't weasel out of this one :D

I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US.

I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US.

Palin has to tell us why she is married to one, first.

"I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US.
#8 | Posted by Eddie"

That's because you're poorly informed.


I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US.


Palin has to tell us why she is married to one, first.

#9 | Posted by silver_ironist

Ok, I'm interested. Do you have a link?


"I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US.
#8 | Posted by Eddie"


That's because you're poorly informed.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


And, you're a stupid stupid fat head Eddie!

-- Doc


Anyone care to retort? Comeon...

"I still need an explanation as to why he hangs with people who hate the US."

Simple. He doesn't.

Ayers never hated America per se.

He just hated the senseless slaughter going on in Vietnam.

He was right to do so, btw.

Wright doesn't hate America either.

Wright hates the sins (of which there are many) but loves the sinner.

Now it's yer turn.

Why does John McCain have as a Veep candidate a woman who is married to a seccessionist?

Someone who really does hate America to the point of trying to seperate Alaska from it?

Why does John McCain believe 100% in the policies of George Bush which have so hurt the American people that it seems he must hate (or at the very least not care about) the American people?

Take yer time, SlowEddie.

Use yer words.

Be Well.

Palin has to tell us why she is married to one, first.


#9 | Posted by silver_ironist


Ok, I'm interested. Do you have a link?

#11 | Posted by Eddie

blogs.abcnews.com

Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, "Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time."

That said, Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.

So the facts are: Gov. Palin was not a member of this third-party ("Alaska First -- Alaska Always") that wants Alaskans to get a vote on whether or not the state can secede from the U.S. But her husband was a long-time member, and at least two AIP officials recall her attending the 1994 convention, though she says she did not attend.

Take yer time, SlowEddie.


Use yer words.


Be Well.

#13 | Posted by dethspud

Why are you disrespectful? did I get to you?

Did I do something to you?

Spud! LOL

you are calling me names? LOL


Ayres used explosives! Duh!


Plus, Obama shares political views with a known America hater!!!!

If you can't explain it, I'll understand.

Simple. He doesn't.


Ayers never hated America per se.
"I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ...
= hates America


He just hated the senseless slaughter going on in Vietnam.
by the north vietnamese? He should have attacked them instead of his own country

He was right to do so, btw. = Canada accepts U.S. traitors so he should come and live with us.


Wright doesn't hate America either. -"God Damn America"


Wright hates the sins (of which there are many) but loves the sinner. -America's chickens are coming home to roost."


Now it's yer turn.


Why does John McCain have as a Veep candidate a woman who is married to a seccessionist? -

Why is Obama married to a woman who is a racist?


Someone who really does hate America to the point of trying to seperate Alaska from it? -

Someone who hates America to the point she is only proud of it now that her hubby has received the nomination.


Why does John McCain believe 100% in the policies of George Bush which have so hurt the American people that it seems he must hate (or at the very least not care about) the American people?

100%. You got proof of that spudster?


Take yer time, SlowEddie.


Use yer words.


Be Well.

#13 | Posted by dethspud

Why does John McCain have as a Veep candidate a woman who is married to a seccessionist?

Someone who really does hate America to the point of trying to seperate Alaska from it?


If I were residing in a state with abundant resources and an idiot like Barney Franks (this is the tip of the iceberg) is allowed to so royally screw up, then I would want to as well.

Beside, they would be adopting the (original) US Constitution!!! Without the group-faovoring, sociallist bullshit. Hey, if they succeed at this, Texas will too, followed by many mnay other states who are "Fed" up!!!


Try again, there, Mr. Potato Head (LOL)


Again, can anyone explain to me why Obama chooses to hang with known America haters?

"If you can't explain it, I'll understand.
#16 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 12:22 PM | Reply |"

It's been explained.
You continue not to understand.
Ergo you are either an idiot or a willful idiot.

"If I were residing in a state with abundant resources and an idiot like Barney Franks (this is the tip of the iceberg) is allowed to so royally screw up, then I would want to as well."

Sure, you would, except when Todd Palin was a member of a secessionist party Frank was not chairman of a House committee. But you knew that, didn't you? Oh, no, I guess not.


"Beside, they would be adopting the (original) US Constitution!!! Without the group-faovoring, sociallist bullshit."

Riiiiight. That would be the Constitution where women couldn't vote in federal elections, blacks were slaves, Indians weren't citizens, and US Senators weren't popularly elected.

"Hey, if they succeed at this, Texas will too, followed by many mnay other states who are "Fed" up!!!"

Uh-huh. Obviously, you haven't heard of the Civil War. Ask your teacher to tell you about it. I could swear they cover that stuff by middle school. Ah, well...


Try again, there, Mr. Potato Head (LOL)


Again, can anyone explain to me why Obama chooses to hang with known America haters?


#18 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 12:26 PM

***** Again, can anyone explain to me why Obama chooses to hang with known America haters?
..... Posted by Eddie *****

.......same reason Palin married one........


"If you can't explain it, I'll understand.
#16 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 12:22 PM | Reply |"


It's been explained.
You continue not to understand.
Ergo you are either an idiot or a willful idiot.

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


LOL, nice try, Doc.

No one has explained it yet...

Call names all you want, but it's in plain English above.

(In fact, calling names is show of a weak argument, unless you're making fun of someone for doing the same thing)


***** Again, can anyone explain to me why Obama chooses to hang with known America haters?
..... Posted by Eddie *****


.......same reason Palin married one........

#21 | Posted by skizziks


Uh... nope.

I can't help it if you choose not to read my posts.

Sure, you would, except when Todd Palin was a member of a secessionist party Frank was not chairman of a House committee. But you knew that, didn't you? Oh, no, I guess not.


LOL!!!!!


nice try.

Again, can anyone explain to me why Obama chooses to hang with known America haters?


#18 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 12:26 PM



Well?

"No one has explained it yet...
#22 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 01:08 PM"

Here's a tip, Eddie: Just because you keep repeating a stoopid statement doesn't bestow validity upon the statement. I know, I know, the McCain "campaign" engages in that behavior all the time. But it's not working for him, either.

Here, check out the link, read, digest and then get back to us on just how big a nonstory this "story" really is:
www.nytimes.com

No charge. I believe in free education.

"Well?"

Serving on the same charity board isn't the same as "hangin", tool.


"Well?"


Serving on the same charity board isn't the same as "hangin", tool.

#27 | Posted by Danforth


How about visiting the home of? How about sharing political views with...

How about but having as spiritual leader...

I know, I know, the McCain "campaign" engages in that behavior all the time. But it's not working for him, either.

#26 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


i don't care about McCain or the Republican Party. I hope they go as the Whig Party.

My concern is that the Libs have chosen Obama and he WILL be President. If you vote for him, you will take on a serious responsibility as those who voted for W. Bush, as I did.

I screwed up! But, at least I'm trying to right the wrong. I'm voting 3rd party.

The Libs chose Obama to right this wrong.

OMG! What the hell are you thinking?


"Well?"


Serving on the same charity board isn't the same as "hangin", tool.

#27 | Posted by Danforth

Tool?

You're not a tool of the Democrats?

Let's see, it seems that without you knowing the Democrats have gotten us to the event horizon of the worst financial crisis that the world has ever seen

"You're not a tool of the Democrats?"

I'm a lifelong Independent, who's demonstrated a penchant for voting for whomever offers the best governance. These current so-called Republicans have provided the worst governance I've experienced in my life.

"it seems that without you knowing the Democrats have gotten us to the event horizon of the worst financial crisis that the world has ever seen"

Okay, let's talk "tool": Republicans have had control for most of the last decade, and complete control for 6 of those years. They threatened to change the filibuster rules; if they thought this issue was important enough, they could have made that move; obviously, they didn't. Atop that, for better or worse, Presidents get the nod. They weren't called Congressvilles, they were called Hoovervilles. Lucky for the Republicans they still have 19% or so willing to eat the peanuts out of their shit.

Okay, let's talk "tool": Republicans have had control for most of the last decade, and complete control for 6 of those years. They threatened to change the filibuster rules;

Ok, ok. You misunderstand. I am attacking the Democrats here. Not defending the Republicans. The Republicans are just as at fault as the Democrats, but for the Dems to continually come out and put all the blame on the Republicans is just plain stupid.

Nancy Pelosi made an Ass of herself!
Barney Frank made an Ass of himself.

They were in charge and they could not do anything about it?

The Democrats voted in a bill that will put a 2-week bandaid on a serious problem that's been developing for a long time.

The Democrats have the power to shut down the Federal Reserve and subsequently stop protecting Opec, but they won't do it.

They won't even talk about it.

I primarily blaim Republicans (the neocons within) for this, but the Democrats are freaken weaklings or they are part of it.

They have the majority (Ron Paul is ONE)!!!

Think about it.

****** OMG! What the hell are you thinking?
..... Posted by Eddie ******

......I'm thinking that Obama is best for America...

They threatened to change the filibuster rules; if they thought this issue was important enough, they could have made that move; obviously, they didn't. Atop that, for better or worse, Presidents get the nod. They weren't called Congressvilles, they were called Hoovervilles. Lucky for the Republicans they still have 19% or so willing to eat the peanuts out of their shit.

#31 | Posted by Danforth


This is the weakest goddamn excuse I have EVER heard for the spineless Democrats in Congress!!!

The Mainstream Democrats and Republicans deserve to lose their country.


....no other candidate is even close.......


****** OMG! What the hell are you thinking?
..... Posted by Eddie ******


......I'm thinking that Obama is best for America...

#33 | Posted by skizziks


Good for you, but not for America.

Can you tell me what Obama is going to do for America?

Can you tell me what Obama is going to do for America?


#36 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 01:53 PM | Reply


You need to find out for yourself. Don't rely on others. Listen to both sides before you make your decision. Oh wait---conservatives never do that do they. Oh well--vote for McCain and STFU.

Simple isn't it. But please don't bother people who read.

"Can you tell me what Obama is going to do for America? "

Change the directions of:

The Supreme Court.
The Tax Code.
The Iraq War.

Three big ones, and that's just the start.

Your turn: can you tell me how McCain and Bush differ when it comes to economic policy?

The Democrats have the power to shut down the Federal Reserve and subsequently stop protecting Opec, but they won't do it.


#32 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 01:49 PM | Reply

How many dems do you think are in the Senate? Can you count? Dems are not the majority.

Your turn: can you tell me how McCain and Bush differ when it comes to economic policy?

#38 | Posted by Danforth

a spending freeze on everything but defense, veteran affairs and entitlement programs

Change the direction of the Supreme Court? To what? That the legislate more from the bench? Get real.

....no other candidate is even close.......

#35 | Posted by skizziks


close to what? Leading us down the same path that we are already on? Yes, his name is McCain.

Can you give me ANYTHIHNG that Obama has said that would reverse the seriously destructive path that we are on now?

Did he remotely say anything about dismantling the Empire?

Riiiiight. That would be the Constitution where women couldn't vote in federal elections, blacks were slaves, Indians weren't citizens, and US Senators weren't popularly elected.


Let's apply intelligence.
I think that if I were to adopt the Constitution, I would start with the original and would include those amendements that "make sense" and not include the others that don't.

Others I would keep are the anti-trust law, the abolition of slavery, women voting, etc.

However, I would not include those laws that protect Groups. The Constitution already protects the individual, why does it need to protect groups of individuals. (Pretty soon, you'll need an amendment to protect white people)

There are scores of screw-ups in the Contitution that I would get rid of, namely the Federal Reserve and the Federal Income Tax, that are joined at the hip. I would also make sure that the currency is backed by gold or something tangible.

We can discuss this more if you'd like.


But, my point, that a Constitution hater unsually misses, is that the original Constitution is a really good start. Any objections?

Yes, Doc, I would definately throw out some things that are no longer needed.


"Can you tell me what Obama is going to do for America? "


Change the directions of:


The Supreme Court.
The Tax Code.
The Iraq War.


Three big ones, and that's just the start.


Your turn: can you tell me how McCain and Bush differ when it comes to economic policy?

#38 | Posted by Danforth

I really don't care what McCain does because he's as good as history. Bush? I'm pissed! If he does anything other than leave office, a bloody revolution will begin (which I think he's prepared for), but that's another topic.


Change the direction of the Supreme Court? You mean no more legislating from the bench? What are you trying to say? You afraid Row v Wade will be reversed? You fucking wimp.

Tax code? What's wrong with it? Is he going to get rid of it? If you choose to work on w-2, making more than $150,000 a year, you deserve to pay $40k in taxes. What is he going to change? If he tries to change that the mega rich pay more? He'll never succeed. They will leave the US so fast, you'll just hear the sucking sound :D


Iraq War? Then attack Iran, Pakistan?
Don't get started about his ability to be the Commander-in-Chief. He will never be that. If Obama got his way, we would have lost that war. That is not a good thing!!!

He'll be President, but when he attacks Iran and Pakistan, tens of thousands of Americans will die. I DO NOT want this to happen. I thought that the Iraq War was a bad idea (good idea if you are a Banker), but since our guys were there, I would have hoped that they would have brought it to and end as soon as possible. Will Obama do this? No.


"Three big ones, and that's just the start."

Next?

Back to the original question:

What good is Obama going to do for America?

Reading Eddie's posts it's obvious he was one of those preserved in amber. Talking points years old that have been disproven over and over. The typical tactics of repeating a lie over and over hoping somehow it will become the truth. He has no idea the American public isn't buying that crp anymore, as demonstrated by McSame's rapidly dwindling numbers.

So keep lying and attacking, everytime you do, Obama's numbers go up.

Oh and come election day, remember the coat tails!

LOL!


The Democrats have the power to shut down the Federal Reserve and subsequently stop protecting Opec, but they won't do it.


#32 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 01:49 PM | Reply


How many dems do you think are in the Senate? Can you count? Dems are not the majority.

#39 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Weak excuse, there, Bob.

The Dems don't have just one guy in there (Ron Paul). They have many!

The Dems have the power to start turning this huge ship and to dismantle the Empire before it collaspes.

But, they are weak or they just don't know.

I honestly believe that Barney Frank believes, himself, doing the right thing.


He has no idea the American public isn't buying that crp anymore, as demonstrated by McSame's rapidly dwindling numbers.


So keep lying and attacking, everytime you do, Obama's numbers go up.


Oh and come election day, remember the coat tails!


LOL!

#44 | Posted by briwo


Members go up?

Really? You think people are THAT stupid?

All I'm doing is turning on the lights.

Briwo, you are one stupid bug. *Squish*


No one on this thread has disproven this "lie"


Can you tell me what Obama is going to do for America?


#36 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-07 01:53 PM | Reply


You need to find out for yourself. Don't rely on others. Listen to both sides before you make your decision. Oh wait---conservatives never do that do they. Oh well--vote for McCain and STFU.


Simple isn't it. But please don't bother people who read.

#37 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


"don't bother people who read" LOL!!!


Bob, you are either stupid or lazy.

Go ahead and re-read the last 20 posts, you'll see what I mean.

Members go up?

Every time Scary Failin' shakes her tits and winks at a GOPher event they do.

Or did ya mean "numbers" go up when assholes like you slander Obama, and his family?

Cos yeah, yeah they do.

Read 'em and weep.

Thanx fer helping out the Obama campaign by just being you there, Slow Eddie.

Be Well.

/Every time Yawn McTaint speaks an angel is viciously sodomised in heaven
//Every time Scary Failin' speaks a puppies head explodes.
/// G08ama!

Every time Scary Failin' shakes her tits

Theres that class you were referring to on the left spud!

Every time Scary Failin' shakes her tits and winks at a GOPher event they do.


Or did ya mean "numbers" go up when assholes like you slander Obama, and his family?


Cos yeah, yeah they do.


#48 | Posted by dethspud


Mr. Potato Head,

You are witty and funny, but ignorant at the same time. (ignorant means that you ignore knowledge)

If you've been paying attention, you'll see that I really don't care for the McCain compaign.

I do care that Obama is becoming President.


Also ignorant of the meaning of slander. It's only slander when it's not true... nice try though.

I like the "members go up" reference. Funny.


"assholes like you slander Obama"

Man, I can't believe that I struck a nerve.

What I really can't believe is that you really think that this guy is going to help America! Sad!!

Like cattle being led to the slaughter...

Bush and Congress has set it up, and Obama will finish it.

Be well (while you can)

Theres that class you were referring to on the left spud!

With Spud around class is always in session.

That's why asswipes like you keep geting schooled!

Face it, When McCain chose Palin fer Veep it was based more on her looks than her abilities. She deflects from the fact than John is older than dirt. If you don't think her sex appeal is also a large part of her political appeal then yer not really paying attention.

Again.

Spud should prolly offer you some cheese to go with yer whine there.

Don't fergit to put that one on yer list of Spud's greatest hits!

/You got some kind of deal going on with K-tel that yer not telling Spud?

Be Well.


Read 'em and weep.

#48 | Posted by dethspud

This is not a contest like a College Football game you fool! This is for the future of America. This is to keep America from going away completely!

Neither of these candidates are good.

Sarah Palin is good only in that she is good-looking, nothing more. And, I don't know what good that will do for us.

Obama will only change the color of America which is good thing. It will give the black man REAL hope, something that I am unable to give.

100%. You got proof of that spudster?

John McCain voted with Bush 91% of the time.

All of the Mavericky instances of him standing up to Bush, on the Tax cuts, on Pro Choice, on torture etc were all flip flopped on before he was given the nod to run by the machine that runs the GOPher party.

So yeah, 100% sounds about right.

McCain aint a Maverick he's a Meatpuppet.

Deal with it.

Be Well.


Every time Scary Failin' shakes her tits


Theres that class you were referring to on the left spud!

#49 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

I thought it was funny and witty. Classy? no.

McCain aint a Maverick he's a Meatpuppet.


Deal with it.


Be Well.

#53 | Posted by dethspud

I completely agree Mr. Potato Head.

Still, no one can tell me what Obama is going to do that is good for America.

Am I the only one that can come up with positive things (that are true) about him?

If you've been paying attention, you'll see that I really don't care for the McCain compaign.

I do care that Obama is becoming President.

Yeah, Spud gets that Eddie but here's the thing. You still have people in blogworld singing the ole refrain "Well Kerry or Gore woulda been worse".

Spud has defied folks to espalin exactly how much worse it coulda been and so far no takers.

There seems to be three distance politcal classes in the US.

Those who don't know shit, who believe wot the MSM tells them and then vote with their guts instead of their heads and hearts.

Those who know too much and are thouroughly frustrated by the corporate duopoly who've lapsed into deep cynicism and either don't vote at all or if they do only register protest votes with third party candidates.

Then there's a middle class of folks who understand or at least have a glimpse of the many headed beast they face who try to keep themselves aware and raise the levels of awareness and debate in the political realm.

Spud puts himself in the third category and tries his level best to help others there too.

Spud aint all cheap shots and cheesy jokes you know.

The powres-that-be are indeed, as you suggest, all bad to one degree or another but those matters of degree are kinda important.

Some folks say "If you can do no great good at least do no great harm"

Spud honestly thinks that John McCain like Bush befroe him is not only capable of doing further great harm to America but that it is inevitable that he do so because of who he is and wot he's done to date.

Is Obama any better?

Well, he certainly can't be any worse that's a fact.

Spud aint kidding himself. You guys is in a bind. The problems in yer goverment and financial structures are entrenched and systemic. This bail out will not stop wot's coming.

Bottom line is that Spud expects Obama to even up the SCOTUS, restore political impartiality to the DoJ and maybe get to the bottom of the shenanigans that went on there, NOT bomb Iran, allow American troops to declare victory with honor in Iraq and come home. Try to stabilise Afghanistan as best he can before leaving there, take torture off the books, End Gitmo, Tighten up the tax code, embrace new regulations for the market, reverse the "rich get richer..." philosophy that BushCo embraced wholeheartedly, and in general bring back a sense of dignity and honor to the WH that Dumbya claimed he was gonna do but which he totally went the other way on.

See also: Huumble Foreign Policy.

Be Well.

/Realworld calls. Blogworld dissolves. Spud out
stage left.
//Maybe back later. Some kind of a debate ya say?

Everytime a poster like Eddie, who has all the intelligence of a sack of hair, posts something or opens his mouth, McSame/Failin' fall further behind.

Keep it up brightboy!

www.drudge.com

More fraud from the left.

Yeah, Spud gets that Eddie but here's the thing. You still have people in blogworld singing the ole refrain "Well Kerry or Gore woulda been worse".

Hmmm. Spud, define worse.

Would have 9-11 happened?

Would the financial collaspe we are experiencing now be happening?

These are strawmen, but worth discussing.


Everytime a poster like Eddie, who has all the intelligence of a sack of hair, posts something or opens his mouth, McSame/Failin' fall further behind.


Keep it up brightboy!

#57 | Posted by briwo

ummm, Einstein, I'm not for McCain. I said that about 5 posts ago. Well within your reach.

"Would have 9-11 happened? Would the financial collaspe we are experiencing now be happening These are strawmen, but worth discussing."

Strawmen?!?

Methinks you don't understand the meaning of the word.

Bottom line is that Spud expects Obama to even up the SCOTUS, restore political impartiality to the DoJ and maybe get to the bottom of the shenanigans that went on there, NOT bomb Iran, allow American troops to declare victory with honor in Iraq and come home. Try to stabilise Afghanistan as best he can before leaving there, take torture off the books, End Gitmo, Tighten up the tax code, embrace new regulations for the market, reverse the "rich get richer..." philosophy that BushCo embraced wholeheartedly, and in general bring back a sense of dignity and honor to the WH that Dumbya claimed he was gonna do but which he totally went the other way on.


#56 | Posted by dethspud


If he accomplishes a couple of these, his administartion will be a success.

"American troops to declare victory with honor in Iraq and come home. "

He can do that now, but not a few years ago (before the surge). I hope he clears us out of there, but he won't! He is not talking about closing the bases there (Is he?). I don't think it will happen. We closed bases in Saudi only to build others close by.

"take torture off the books, End Gitmo"

I hope so, but somehow, I think it will get worse. You will hear horror stories of Americans in a Gitmo, somewhere in the states. Remember the Domestic crap going on during Clinton? This is pure speculation, but let's talk about in about 2 years (I hope I'm wrong).

"embrace new regulations for the market"

Actually, embrace new de-regulation that is more attacktive to the small business rather than the Corporation. Still, keep government out of it. The crap that went on lately is to bail out the mega rich. This is complete bullshit!

"reverse the "rich get richer..."

Agreed! I have a whole rap on that subject.

"NOT bomb Iran"

Obama's going to let Israel do it and that's the same thing.

Hmmm. Spud, define worse.

O-tay!

Would have 9-11 happened?

In between the morons who buy into the government's version of events on that day and the folks who think the government planned it from start to finish there is amiddle group.

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose

The PNACkers were looking fer a "pearl harbor" type event in order to mobilise public opinion towards allowing them to start a resource war with Iraq.

9/11 gave it to them.

Would it have happened under a Dem admin? Hard to say. Wot's easy to say is that Gore woulda had less of an interest in allowing it to happen. When Clinton left office the last thing he told Dumbya was to watch out fer Al Quaeda. Dumbya refused to meet with his principles and basically sat on his hands in the lead-up to 9/11. That was either incompetence or deliberate cynical malfeasance. Both are bad options.

Would the financial collaspe we are experiencing now be happening?

The American economy stands on rubber legs. Twin deficits that are ultimately unsustainable. The Clinton monetary policies were certainly much better for the country than the BushCo policies (or lack thereof) but a financial comeuppance was well in order then and now and in the forseeable future. Remember laughing at Gore when he talked about ensuring economic stability in SS with a "lockbox"? Many folks now wish he had done that very thing. Contrast that to BushCo, who wanted to reward their cronies in the finiancial services sector by allowing folks to privately invest their 401Ks. Imagine how much shitttier things would be now if he'd gotten away with that shit.

These are strawmen, but worth discussing.

Not strawmen but definitely worth discussing.

Be Well.

/On Topic?

//Are the seven dwarves here gonna say that Scary Failin is actually Snow White?


"Would have 9-11 happened? Would the financial collaspe we are experiencing now be happening These are strawmen, but worth discussing."


Strawmen?!?


Methinks you don't understand the meaning of the word.

#61 | Posted by Danforth


No, methinks you are just afraid to talk about it.


The question that Spud inspired was: What if Gore or Kerry were elected instead...

Do you really think 911 would not have happened?
What would Gore have done about it?

What would Kerry be doing about this financial crisis right now?

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose


The PNACkers were looking fer a "pearl harbor" type event in order to mobilise public opinion towards allowing them to start a resource war with Iraq.

Agreed. But, Gore would have been instructed to do something here too. However, I think Gore would have been much better at getting the UN to help out with the war. Bottom-line, the war would have happened under Gore (Because he's in bed with the Bankers)

Remember laughing at Gore when he talked about ensuring economic stability in SS with a "lockbox"? Many folks now wish he had done that very thing. Contrast that to BushCo, who wanted to reward their cronies in the finiancial services sector by allowing folks to privately invest their 401Ks.


Whoa, Spud. This is much, much bigger than that.

Would it be just too unbelievable if I told you that the current financial crisis and the Iraq were linked, as in just another step in the NWO plan? These steps were started in the early '60s when Kennedy was told to remove the International Dollar from the Gold Standard. He refused and he was also the last great American President. Would you believe that the Internation Dollar going off the Gold Standard and the emergence of OPEC are linked? (From the Gold Standard to the Oil Standard). Now the Federal Reserve is in there somewhere. Oh yeah. They get to print money out of thin air (since 1971) and OPEC allows only the trading of oil in dollars. Funny little links everywhere. Who was the first to object to trading in dollars? Khomeini. Next? Hussain, and then Chavez. All 3 resent the fact that they MUST trade their oil through OPEC.


Now knowing this, what would Gore have done to reverse this trend? Has he or Kerry EVER talked about it?


What did Clinton do? Did he close any bases around the world? He closed a few, but he had 700 to close. Did he ever talk about shutting down the Federal Reserve? Heck no! They would have shot him.

He can do that now, but not a few years ago (before the surge).

Coupla things about the "surge".

First... It wasn't a real surge.

It was a pseudo surge made of over overlapping extended tours of duty with troops who were already stretched to the breaking point.

Secondly, the so-called "success" of the surge isn't either.

They've turned Baghdad into a prison city. They've made their intentions clear by creating a city within a city that is the overly hubristic US Embassy, the largest one on earth. It's not like BushCo fergot to plan an exit strategy. The strategy was always to never exit. A once secular state in the middle of a bunch of violent extremists has now become just as bad if not worse than it's neighbours. Truth be told, it'll never get back to being a non-secular state ever again. That failure can be laid squarely at BushCo's feet.

Do you know where the Taliban spawned? Did you know that a lot of the people who started that wing-nutty group were originally displaced victims of the Russian aggression into Afghanistan?

War Orphans brought up in Wahibist sponsored madrasses in the FATA region of Pakistan.

Do you know how many displaced people BushCo have left on the playing field with his ill-advised resource war? Estimated to be 2 million inside the country and 2 million outside. These are families many with kids who are gonna grow up to have a lifelong hate on fer the US and, seriously, who can blame them?

Spud reckons by this point that BushCo are not as dumb as they once seemed. They just act like they are complete idjits. They deliberately allowed Iraq to fail in order to give themselves a ready made excuse to never leave.

Could the Dems have pulled out if they had won in '04?

Is a moot point by now. Debatable but hardly relevant to the current argument.

Real questions now are "can and should the US begin a timely amd orderly withdrawal of troops after Obama gets elected?" and "wot to do about Afghanstan?" which is failing as well.

The answer to them questions is yes.

"reverse the "rich get richer..."

Agreed! I have a whole rap on that subject.

Glad we agree on that. This whole wealth inequity thing aint American it's neo-fuedalism and it sucks.

"NOT bomb Iran"

Obama's going to let Israel do it and that's the same thing.

Here's the thing, in order to totally eradicate Iran's nuclear facilities you need really, really big bombs.

According to some folk wot Spud is talk to about this it appears that the only thing that is capable of ensuring a total wipeout would be a "daisycutter". A bunker buster like the BLU-82 that was used extensively in Vietnam and in the '91 Gulf campaign. The newer types, the two-and-a-half-ton GBU-28 is a form of low yield nuclear weapon. Since the US began using Depleted Uranium munitions the theory has been that because these latest bunker busters go so deep in the ground the trace radiation present an "acceptable risk".

If Israel actually does the bombing themselves they will most prolly use a "low-yield" B61-11 tactical nuclear bomb which they will "borrow" from the US.

Once that happens it's game on in terms of anything could happen next.

Many in the world would consider this a violation of the "first use" rule that has allowed the globe to avoid nuclear war to date.

This thought frightens Spud.

There aint a helluva lot on this ole earth that does but that one definitely makes the short list.

And yes, yer correct the world will not appreciate the distinction between the US dropping the bomb or Israel doing so. Both countries would be responsible and the consequences could threaten the very existence of every blessed soul on the planet.

G08ama.

Be Well.

Would it be just too unbelievable if I told you that the current financial crisis and the Iraq were linked, as in just another step in the NWO plan? These steps were started in the early '60s when Kennedy was told to remove the International Dollar from the Gold Standard. He refused and he was also the last great American President. Would you believe that the Internation Dollar going off the Gold Standard and the emergence of OPEC are linked? (From the Gold Standard to the Oil Standard)...

Not unbelievable at all.

The death of the so-called Petro Dollar will mark the begining of the end of the American economic hegemony that has been forged over the last seven or eight decades by military force as the stick and the carrot offered by the IMF and World Bank.

Spud appreciate the fact that Ron Paul wanted to put the US back on the gold standard but in todays global electronic age when so much of the worlds wealth is controlled by individuals and corporate personages Spud is afraid that that can of worms can never be closed again.

Now knowing this, what would Gore have done to reverse this trend? Has he or Kerry EVER talked about it?

What did Clinton do? Did he close any bases around the world? He closed a few, but he had 700 to close. Did he ever talk about shutting down the Federal Reserve? Heck no! They would have shot him.

There is an absolute disconnect between the will of the people and the powers-that-be's decision making process. The only chocies are between two members of a corporately corrupted duopoly who are more on the same team than they are on the side of the American people.

Sad but true.

That sed and understood it's not until enuff people arm themselves with real knowledge apart from the pre-chewed pablum they get from their MSM that anything real can be done about ny of this.

Until the day that that tipping point of conciusness (as Spud has taken to callnig it) occurs it actually makes more sense to elect the socially progressive left rather than the socially divisive right.

Kinda hard to do it with a clear mandate because the media works hard to achieve wot they call "balance" and wot the rest of us call "gridlock". Wot Spud calls specifically refers to as the 49/51% solution.

The LCD members of the dumbed down public are lead around by the nose.

The only real hope in sight ,as silly as it may sound, is blog-world.

Realtime, many to many, simultaneous communications.

The fact that we squander so much of this precious gift with inane arguments and childish slanging matches although unfortunate is all a part of it's evolution.

Of our evolution.

/or Revolution if you like.
//You say you want a revolution?
///Well, ya know...

Be Well.

/Crap crap crap, really got to go now.
stage left.

"The only real hope in sight ,as silly as it may sound, is blog-world."

Were reality need not apply

there must be some mistake here as this
administration is just followoing orders

"I have no recollection" is hardly a statement.

So the facts are: Gov. Palin was not a member of this third-party ("Alaska First -- Alaska Always") that wants Alaskans to get a vote on whether or not the state can secede from the U.S. But her husband was a long-time member, and at least two AIP officials recall her attending the 1994 convention, though she says she did not attend.

#14 | Posted by 726 at 2008-10-07 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sara 'The Secessionist' Palin gave a speech at an AIP event THIS PAST MARCH!

Palin found on FLING.COM (porn)this morning. Todd says he thought he took it off.

Sara 'The Secessionist' Palin gave a speech at an AIP event THIS PAST MARCH!

#72 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Wow! Do you have a link?

But somehow, I think you may be lying. Mostly because of the "Mainstream Media Headliners" HEADLINERS! about Palin for things like this that were almost immediately discredited. However, dolts like you continue on with them as if they're true.

Commonsense,
I'm just making fun of you, like I was with Danforth. Don't take it personally. I am making fun of Libs in general. Ok? Please don't hurt me. Keep the violence to a minimum.

Danforth,
Stop stalking me!!!

"Danforth, Stop stalking me!!!"

Who's stalking? You keep posting messages to me.

If you can't find proof to back up your claim, fine.


"Danforth, Stop stalking me!!!"


Who's stalking? You keep posting messages to me.


If you can't find proof to back up your claim, fine.

#75 | Posted by Danforth


:D


I can always get a reaction out of you.


Besides, you made the claim. I did not. In addition, you made claims of being a professional, but no professionalism. You made claims of me being wrong about "something", but offered no specifics. Is this what they call a "Troll"? Someone who keeps trying to bait someone without committing to a solid argument?

Please don't answer. It was Rhetorical.

"you made the claim. I did not. "

You're a blatant liar.


"you made the claim. I did not. "


You're a blatant liar.

#77 | Posted by Danforth

Another unsubstantiated claim?

One thing I can always count on. If I need to laugh, I merely need to read what a libertarian writes.

"Another unsubstantiated claim?"

What a fuckin' coward.

Sara 'The Secessionist' Palin gave a speech at an AIP event THIS PAST MARCH!

#72 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Wow! Do you have a link?

But somehow, I think you may be lying. Mostly because of the "Mainstream Media Headliners" HEADLINERS! about Palin for things like this that were almost immediately discredited. However, dolts like you continue on with them as if they're true.

Commonsense,
I'm just making fun of you, like I was with Danforth. Don't take it personally. I am making fun of Libs in general. Ok? Please don't hurt me. Keep the violence to a minimum.

Danforth,
Stop stalking me!!!

#74 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:


Eddie, you must be new here. I back up what I say and I'm not talking about pretending to be some keyboard commando. I mean I backup my words with evidence when called on it.

However, I despise doing other people's homework for them as I think many people are too lazy to do it on their own and simply say 'Link please' when they don't want to believe something.

As for being a 'liar' and a 'dolt' because of my assertions that she spoke for them recently......well............
.let's get to the VIDEO of it!

www.youtube.com

Like I said, you must be new here.


"Another unsubstantiated claim?"


What a fuckin' coward.

#80 | Posted by Danforth

Nope. You're pretty much being a Dickhead about it. Please go away until you can play right.

#81 | Posted by COMMONSENSE


Common,

You are a Liberal dweep as Danforth is. And I more than often disagree with you. If fact, I disagree with you all the time. So, your credibility is pretty much low as well.

If you were being fair about it, you would have more credibility...


Ok?

I mean I backup my words with evidence when called on it.


Where is Danforth's evidence? dumbshit!

Eddie, your Mom called and said don't forget to do your paper route this afternoon.


www.youtube.com
Like I said, you must be new here.

#81 | Posted by COMMONSENSE


So, are you saying, Common, that Palin supports that Indepedent Party?


As I said before Common,

"I'm just making fun of you, like I was with Danforth. Don't take it personally."


Thanks for posting the video.

It just proves my point! :D


Eddie, your Mom called and said don't forget to do your paper route this afternoon.

#85 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Hey Doc,

You're just another Liberal dweeb. LOL!!

BTW DOC,

I was making fun of you on another thread where you were talking about conspiracies and trying to patronize me. You didn't respond. :(

Common,

You are a Liberal dweep as Danforth is. And I more than often disagree with you. If fact, I disagree with you all the time. So, your credibility is pretty much low as well.

If you were being fair about it, you would have more credibility...


Ok?

#83 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's a 'dweep'?

So, you called me a liar and a dolt because I said that she made a speech for AIP this past spring.....you were proven wrong but somehow I'm the idiot with 'no credibility'?

BTW, what's not fair about the assertion that I made? Did I not back it up with concrete proof that she made a speech for them?

There's nothing wrong with admitting you got schooled on this matter in front of everyone else.

As I said before Common,

"I'm just making fun of you, like I was with Danforth. Don't take it personally."


Thanks for posting the video.

It just proves my point! :D

#87 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

It proves your point?

How is that? You called me a liar for saying that she made a speech for them this past march. I showed you that she did make a speech for them using VIDEO proof and somehow I proved your point?

Do you comprehend what 'proving one's point' really means?

"Where is Danforth's evidence?"

You were the dumbass claiming "evading" taxes = underreporting income.

So, you called me a liar and a dolt because I said that she made a speech for AIP this past spring.....you were proven wrong but somehow I'm the idiot with 'no credibility'?


Yep, That's right. I called you a dolt because you pretty much are a dolt.

However, I did not call you a liar. I suspected you being a liar though. Re-read.

You came through, however and posted the video.

But, contrary to belief on this thread, I don't think she is supporting that party. Is she?

You were the dumbass claiming "evading" taxes = underreporting income.

#92 | Posted by Danforth


Nope, I was claiming that Sara Palin was not evading taxes because she reported the income and Not reporting income is Tax Evasion. Understand?

If you don't remember, there were about 20 posts in 5 minutes between you and me yesterday, and the original meaning got misunderstood. I will admit that I did misunderstand what you were getting at.

It is not worth my time to prove you wrong in this and I am greatly disturbed that you keep stalking me on this issue. I wished you'd stop it.

Point 1:
"But somehow, I think you may be lying. Mostly because of the "Mainstream Media Headliners" HEADLINERS! about Palin for things like this that were almost immediately discredited. However, dolts like you continue on with them as if they're true."

Point 2
"You are a Liberal dweep as Danforth is. And I more than often disagree with you. If fact, I disagree with you all the time. So, your credibility is pretty much low as well."


Note the word Headliner...

OK?

"I was making fun of you on another thread where you were talking about conspiracies and trying to patronize me. You didn't respond. :(
#89 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 02:43 PM"

Actually, Eddie, it wasn't me talking about conspiracies. It was an article by Richard Hofstadter pointing out the paranoia underlying many conspiracy theories. Seriously, Eddie, have your teacher look into that problem you have with reading comprehension. There probably isn't a cure, but I think it can be managed, i.e. worked around.

As for not responding, I'm just waiting to see how long you can hold you breath.

As for not responding, I'm just waiting to see how long you can hold you breath.

#96 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I guess I can release my breath now.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yep, That's right. I called you a dolt because you pretty much are a dolt.

However, I did not call you a liar. I suspected you being a liar though. Re-read.

You came through, however and posted the video.

But, contrary to belief on this thread, I don't think she is supporting that party. Is she?

#93 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You 'suspected me of being a liar" but you weren't calling me a liar?

Wow...when you feel cornered, you squirm and parse words like Sara Palin.

I don't give a damn what the "belief of the thread was". You made a direct response to my post that simply stated how she made a speech for them this past spring. You then proceeded to call me a liar and a dolt and when I showed you the video doing EXACTLY what I claimed she did, you claimed it as a victory for yourself and that I proved your point. You then went on to start asking about her motives regarding the speech as if it somehow mattered?

If this is going to be your tactic, you'll soon find yourself relegated to class clown. I have no time to go in circles with a child on a subject that you either don't understand or simply feel too embarrassed to admit that you were flat wrong about.

You question my credibility when I showed you exactly what you sought in the form of proof of my assertions and you then claim I proved your point?

I hate to break it to you, but your Mukluk Messiah is a sham and will be the Gov of Alaska for years to come.

Doc, Doc, Doc,

you advised me, as if to patronize, to read the article "About Conspiracies" and I was making fun of your weak attempt.

"Doc, Doc, Doc, you advised me, as if to patronize, to read the article "About Conspiracies" and I was making fun of your weak attempt.
#99 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 03:57 PM"

No, I didn't, Eddie.
I advised you to read Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."
He never wrote an article titled "About Conspiracies."
It's not about real conspiracies, Eddie.
It's about real paranoids.
Please try to keep it all straight.
Otherwise you might not be allowed to play.

I hate to break it to you, but your Mukluk Messiah is a sham and will be the Gov of Alaska for years to come.


#98 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

As I've stated before, I don't like the McCain/Palin ticket.


But Common,

I really don't know what you're talking about...

Here's a question. Why did you make that particular post in response to the accusation of her supporting a "secessionist" party?

That was your response, wasn't it?

No, I didn't, Eddie.
I advised you to read Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."
He never wrote an article titled "About Conspiracies."
It's not about real conspiracies, Eddie.
It's about real paranoids.
Please try to keep it all straight.
Otherwise you might not be allowed to play.

#100 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I really don't understand what you are getting at other than trying to battle wits. You're not doing to well, btw. I kind of feel sorry for you.

What the hell are you trying to say?

Why did you post that article and ask me to read it?

"Why did you post that article and ask me to read it? "

If you don't know I'm not going to tell you

- Doc

If this is going to be your tactic, you'll soon find yourself relegated to class clown


Common,
You were using a "tactic" by posting the headline but NOT posting the link in direct response to the EXACT accusation of her supporting the Independent party.

Nice try, but I just caught you doing it and now making a clown out of you.

So, be careful what you say while trying to weasel out of your little "tactic".

Common,
You were using a "tactic" by posting the headline but NOT posting the link in direct response to the EXACT accusation of her supporting the Independent party.

Nice try, but I just caught you doing it and now making a clown out of you.

So, be careful what you say while trying to weasel out of your little "tactic".

#104 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


WHAT HEADLINE did I post?

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

I never posted ANY headlines in this thread.

LINK PLEASE!

Here's a question. Why did you make that particular post in response to the accusation of her supporting a "secessionist" party?

That was your response, wasn't it?

#101 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-10-08 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:


Why did I make that post? Because