Oh No We can't kill one of Dubya's bestest Friends and Pals. Money over Country.

Larry

But Obama's pal is a terrorist.

Watched this interview last night, just amazing.

For some reason the Bushies decided that the mission of capturing/killing Bin Laden should be heavily reliant on the same people who had protected him for years leading up to the war. Because it would have been slightly more acceptable to people who loathe us if Afghanis got him and for some reason these imbeciles are obsessed with winning the hearts and minds of people who dance in the streets when Americans are murdered. Bush as CIC and his close advisors have to be pretty high on the list of worst military minds in the history of human warfare.

Intriguing interview.

Sounds like we didn't quite get our money's worth from "General" Ali, but that Osama might have.

The whole premise that George Bush was too timid to use US troops or to land them technically on the Paki side of the mountains to trap bin Laden, especially after his scathing "Dead or Alive" PR horseshit, is tantamount to dereliction of duty.

Another impeachable offence.

If you catch Emmanuel Goldstein, you ruin the party.

Even God and Jesus need Satan. Without him, they would need a new schtick.

They were not afraid that OBL would be captured or killed. They were afriad if he were captured or killed, they would have to stop looking for him.

They were afraid if he were captured or killed... that they wold no longer have a bogeyman to scare voters with.

It wasn't easy finding a replacement for the Commies after the Cold war ended. You can't expect Republicans to shoot their own best political tool.

It was a very good presentation by 60 Minutes!

I can't wait to read the book. If this suff interests you, try "Not a Good Day to Die" (or something close) by an Army Times writer.
Infuriating shit to be sure with all of the turf wars and inter-service bullshit.

I'm surprised to hear the guy say Delta's ideas almost never get shot down. In fact, I thought the chip on all special operators shoulder was that their ideas never get used/that they're under-utilized.

wonder if it would have even slowed the march to Baghdad. Probably not.

He wasn't the first sent in to kill Bin Laden.

The CIA team also had him in sight - literally.

They couldn't get Washington to send in Rangers to take him out.

Chair, true but these are Delta's we're talking about. I'm thinking when they float an idea it get's pretty good consideration.

I do agree that our Special Ops are being under utilized.

They were afriad if he were captured or killed, they would have to stop looking for him.

Woulda shot the whole Iraq invasion excuse out the window, wouldn't it?

I'm surprised to hear the guy say Delta's ideas almost never get shot down. In fact, I thought the chip on all special operators shoulder was that their ideas never get used/that they're under-utilized.

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne

The impression i got from listening to the dude, was that once they were in theatre, approving their attack recommendations was usually a rubber stamp affair. that's why he was surprised.

of course he had the other problem of having allies with and expected to take orders from fighters that were loyal to OBL. who the fuck planned that part of it?

There is one small problem with this story. Actually several problems.

#1--The US Government will not officially confirm the existence of Delta Force.

#2--A true member of such a secret force that is that hush hush, would not identify himself as a member of such a force.

#3--Much the same goes for the Navy Seals and other military special forces. They are sworn to secrecy and are either totally dedicated or not any longer members.

#4--The man/men in question are still bound by secrecy agreements and would likely not risk the felony prison time for making such statements.

The needle o the bull shit detector is doing a little more than flickering.

Have to take a miss on this one. Feasible as it may be, the breaking of the confidence and secrecy of these men is too questionable. A little chancy at best.

Keith; If the government doesn't acknowledge Delta force exists, why in the world would they announce an investigation into it?

Did you say bullshit meter? Which way was it pointing?

The investigation into the torture and mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners has been extended to include allegations that the US army's lite Delta Force was involved in some of the worst abuses carried out by American troops.

The investigation into the torture and mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners has been extended to include allegations that the US army's lite Delta Force was involved in some of the worst abuses carried out by American troops.

Reports say the Pentagon's inspector general is investigating the alleged abuse, said to have taken place at a secretive detention camp, or Battlefield Interrogation Facility, near Baghdad airport, known simply as the BIF.

NG3-I know, It is about as crazy as it gets. The last thing I heard mentioned about Delta Force was at a briefing for the Pentagon. One question was about the forces used in an operation. The answer was to the affect that he was unable to confirm the existence of Delta Force but that the other strike type forces or commando's were involved.

I have also heard in plain language that Delta Force was involved in XXXXX. This is really kind of childish for our government to act like.

If you have heard of an official declaration publicly of the existence of Delta, please supply a link as I would like to see such nonsense end.

Here's the Wiki page, Keith:

one thing that strikes me as chilling near the end of the vid.

"we believe a gentleman brought him (OBL) in. We think he went to that house and received aid"

wonder how they got that intel? I bet they made that man cry like a little girl as they threatened to cut his child's throat.

JAY-Thanks for the link. I am going to try to get the next government flunky saying "We can not confirm the existence of Delta Force" on a disc and send it to the Pentagon with a note asking them to pull their collective heads out of their asses. The do better Parading HUA than in formation.

In this TIME Magazine article is another story of a denied request for assistance by a CIA kill team who had Bin Laden in their sights:

Have to take a miss on this one.

#17 | Posted by keith204

That's funny. That's the same thing the Bush Admin said about killing Bin Laden.

Did you guys see the video?

He said, they planned to mine the valley to cut off O'Binbin's escape route.

Permission was denied.

A few years later (two years ago in fact) Mushi presented a plan which would let Pakistan mine the entire border (easy enough.. Pakistan is one of the largest makers of anti-personnel landmines).

The plan was rejected.

Why? Landmines are the only real option if you are worried about "taliban" coming into Afghanistan from Pakistan.

Why not let us mine the whole fucking border???

Sure as hell looks like someone in the American Govt. doesn't want O'Binbin dead and wants the Taliban to continue to be a threat.

What this soldier said in the video, checks out on so many levels. I don't think he was bullshitting one bit. I know how a man sounds when he feels he has been double-crossed.

In fact.. screw Pakistan... why doesn't America mine the whole border by itself?

Pakistan is on record saying it is a great plan. We will not object to it.

I bet they made that man cry like a little girl as they threatened to cut his child's throat.

#21 | Posted by johnnylock at 2008-10-06 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag

One can only hope. I'd be irrate if I found out they didn't kill the entire family of the man that gave aide. I also hope they burned his house down after they were done.

As for mining the entire mountain region, we have queefs (liberals) that can't wait for an opportunity like that so they can criticize the USA again. We;re talking about the same puds that don't want cluster bombs to even exist.

As for Delat, they officially do not exist. A wiki link doesn't make them officially exist. In fact, the compound located on bragg does not exist. Just drive by, photograph it or video tape it, and let me know how that works out...

As for mining the entire mountain region,

101, with Bush's track record of fuck ups as C-in-C, how long would it be before people started losing thier legs to mines Bush set up in the Adirondacks?

And 101-there are several published media articles that discuss the Delta Force. I posted one of them, there's another talibaptist one which interviews Boykin and the head of Delta Force.

Use the Google, son. Use the Google. You'll find articles discussing/acknowledging Delta Force as far back as Koresh & Waco.

And 101-there are several published media articles that discuss the Delta Force. I posted one of them, there's another talibaptist one which interviews Boykin and the head of Delta Force.

#29 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-10-07 10:22 AM | Reply |

There's video games about them too, but that doesn't mean that they officially exist.
I don't know how else to explain it to you if you haven't grasped the concept already.

I know exactly where their compound is on Bragg. I've actually seen them training (zipped through on dirtbikes, shooting up mock cities...MOUT). I, and everyone else is aware of their existence. That doesn't mean they are officialy acknowledged or exist anywhere in the books.

As for your mine scenario...I wouldn't expect anything less from a know nothing shit like you. There's no need to pretend that you'd agree to the mining if it were done in Afghanistan/Pakistan. You, like the other puds, would use it as an opportunity to criticize the USA.

"#3--Much the same goes for the Navy Seals and other military special forces. They are sworn to secrecy and are either totally dedicated or not any longer members."

Shush. I _like_ it when people talk about their specops backgrounds. It's how you know they're lying or got drummed out for being useless.

The Bush administration doesn't want Osama dead. They need him to stay alive so he can be the face of the enemy. For a period of time, they were afraid he might have been killed. This is exactly why the rhetoric against Iran was increasing.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone who has Osama in his crosshairs gets a satellite phone call from the Oval Office with orders to hold fire. The Bush administration is just that corrupt and evil.

I don't know how else to explain it to you if you haven't grasped the concept already.

I know exactly where their compound is on Bragg. I've actually seen them training (zipped through on dirtbikes, shooting up mock cities...MOUT). I, and everyone else is aware of their existence. That doesn't mean they are officialy acknowledged or exist anywhere in the books.

NG3, I was referring to the people who talk about what they "did" when in a SpecOps unit. I'm _inhclined_ to disbelieve your average Joe Blow who even says they were in those service, depending on how they discuss it. Frankly, most don't mention it at all, beyond identifying what service they were in. The more someone talks about it, the less likely it's true. We had a guy in our old apartment building who claimed to be an ex-SEAL. Never told any stories, but gosh he sure made the claim and then openly "refused to talk about it" a lot.

I guess what I'm trying to say is.. if someone is ex specops.. odds are you'll never hear about it. Certain actions _are_ specifically declassified, and even used to promote the military in a positive light. Those who took part in such actions are even tacitly encouraged to answer questions about it in such a way that maintains the "mystique" of the ops. However, those are the execptions. They are not the norm by any stretch of the imagination. It's more common that you could have been in daily contact with an ex-specops person and never know it.

yay typosis!

Dummy, everyone knows about and acknowledges the SEALs. Unless you think the SEAL commercials the Navy has are only beemed in to your trailer? I think you read Keth's point wrong (or Keith is an idiot)

Source for the Pentagon confirmation please (not that I believe you're lying, I just believe you are stupid enough to consider an anonymous source inside the pentagon as an offcial recognition).

Also, a bio of a guy that was in Delta Force doesn't mean it's officially acknowledged.

Here stupid, let's make this easy for you...

Chair, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just can't admit you are wrong (again). There's a link I posted above to the Pentagon investigating torture by the Delta Force. maybe you can explain how the Pentagon can investigate something that doesn't exist. Secretive is not secret.

Chair, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just can't admit you are wrong (again). There's a link I posted above to the Pentagon investigating torture by the Delta Force. maybe you can explain how the Pentagon can investigate something that doesn't exist. Secretive is not secret.

#37 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-10-07 02:33 PM | Reply

You claiming something doesn't make it true stupid. I provided a link that proves you wrong, as well as about 10 different examples of why what you have posted is incorrect and doesn't qualify as "official recognition".
Maybe you aren't smart enough to realize you didn't provide a link to your claims? Probably not though.

It's simple dumbass, provide a link that disproves the founders claim that they are not officially recognized or take a hike. Even better, simply google "Delta Force is not officially recognized" and begin reading.

How long do you want me to continue to kick sand in your il-informed face?

Here's the Amazon.com summary of a new book about something very similar that was going on in Iraq in 2002-2003. The author, a CIA officer and soldier, and a small team was sent into Kurdistan to combat Al Qaeda operatives there and get evidence of WMD. The author was on the Diane Riehm show this morning. Amazing interview with parallels to Sunday night's 60 minutes.

"Operation Hotel California tells the inside story of the dangerous mission that paved the way for the Iraq invasionand delivers the most blistering indictment to date by any American counterterrorism officer of the Bush administration's blunders vis--vis Iraq and al Qaeda. Drawing on exclusive interviews with Charles Faddis, the operation's leader, and other team members, and featuring never-before-seen photos, Operation Hotel California is a riveting work that will shake Washington to the core."

NG: Delta Force is not officially recognized. Period.

From Army.com:

"While the military acknowledges the existence of special mission units like Delta Force, it does not specify what they are called or their locations, staffing or organizational structure. "

That's funny. That's the same thing the Bush Admin said about killing Bin Laden.

#24 | Posted by Apocalypto

Not sure about Bush, but Clinton missed him at least twice. This guy may have been there and may be "Delta" but he has no idea why "Delta's" suggestions were rejected. Neither do you, or anyone else on this blog. So barring someone with insider knowledge, it sounds like that the real issue was with his allies the afgans.

it sounds like that the real issue was with his allies the afgans.

You mean George Bush's allies right?

Hmmmmmmm.........

Not sure about Bush, but Clinton missed him at least twice.

#41 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

You have got to be fucking kidding me. How can you be "Not sure" about Bush missing a chance to kill OBL? We had him cornered in Tora Bora, and he got out. That's a "MISS". Bush was CIC with boots ON THE GROUND. Clinton sent in cruise missiles. You can't compare the two.

You fucking apologists...

How can you rigthies blame this one on Pres. Clinton? I'm sure you'll think of something.

the new military must be politically correct at
all times with transparancy such as abu
ghraib. if the US would have had transparancy
during wwII where would we be today. we now have
transparancy and where are we today

Northguy has a hard time trying not be so stupid. He's avoiding this thread because he can't bring himself to admit I've bested him once again.

It's OK Northguy, you should be used to it by now.