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If the Conservatives didn't have liberal leftist Democrats to blame they would have to invent us. Funny dat be.

Larry

I am afraid this thread will be one of those lonely ones where righties don't go because it contradicts what their talking point masters have told them. What they don't know they think will not harm them.
None of this is the fault of the Bush administration or the REpublican Congress, no it's just one more of God's little coincidences that He loves to create whenever Republicans are in power.
If America survives the current economic melt down I hope that enough Americans learn that we simply can't ever afford another REpublican administration. If this disaster doesn't sink our economy permanently then certainly the next coincidence will.

This thread ia a great informational thread as to the realities of lending.

Racism is clear and wide spread amoung the republican conservative and what is funny it appears that lending to using CRA was by far the safer more productive way to do business.

Racism is a convenient tool that the greed fuckers use to focus anger away from themselves. Hey, it isn't those greedy CEOs who took home multi million dollar bonuses, no it was that black single mother who bought a two bedroom bungaloe for herself and her kids to live in. Throw them on the street and let the taxpayers bailout the bank for its loss.
CEOs cheer....GO RACISM!

they would have to invent us. Funny dat be.

Larry

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-10-04 07:09 AM | Repl

Larry, don't kid yourself.

Nobody in their right mind would invent turds like you and Danni

Of course rightwingers and Wall Street are on the same page. The vast majority of Wall Street power brokers ARE rightwingers. If anyone has failed to figure that out yet it just means they were not paying attention. (Oh yeah, I al most forgot, willful ignorance and stupidity is a common trait among GOPhers.)

it was that black single mother who bought a two bedroom bungaloe for herself and her kids

#4 | Posted by danni at 2008-10-04 09:33 AM | Reply

Did she make her mortgage payment?

you are a silly twit, living in Florida

Funny thing about bankers and conservatives -- they really don't give a fuck if a single mom wastes her money at a casino, so long as she pays her bills

It isn't the one "black single mother," it's tha huge number of defaulters, 81% of them minorities, people who seemingly could not figure out that they did not have and could not reasonably anticipate having sufficient income to meet their loan obligations, and thus maintain their interest in the properties.

This flurry of activity was produced by enabling legislation that provided for issuance of loans without credit or income checks, and without the borrower having an equity interest in the property, legislation that mandated that loans be made to applicants who were unworthy credit risks, and fostered the euphoria by providing a market for these bad loans.

The initial coercion of the lenders to make loans, particularly to minorities, who were bad credit risks, proved unnecessary when markets for those loans developed with Fannie and Freddie buying and purchasing them, and selling them.

The scam occurred when these loans were purchased by institutional and private buyers, who were derelict in their duty and who profited initially from dealing with the paper. There were incentives inherent in the system which induced the frenzy of activity.

The provision of such huge amounts of capital into the market, escalated the cost of homes far in excess of what would be determined by utilizing traditional cost factors. The loan policies resuted in declining buyer equities, and when the residential property market slowed, the reduction in market price resulted in huge quantities of these properties having loans that exceeded value, with the owners having no equity. The prudent act was then to walk away from the property. There was no down payment anyway, so ...

Are the buyers to blame? Is there such a large component of mentally and/or emotionally incompetent people that there need to be stringent rules to prevent their participation in the market? Do the rules need to be amended so that without being able to acquire equity, and with denial of loans for uncreditworthy applicants, bad loans will not be made? Should Fannie and Freddie be eliminated since their availability to purchase worthless mortgages facilitated this debacle? The premises that housing inventory be distributed for nothing without the cost eventually being paid, is a leftist's dream, but not congruent with reality.

Were there fiduciarfy duties? The Wall Street operators, who either did not perform due diligence, or who largely probably did, and then proceeded to scam investors with misrepresentations concerning the quality of the paper in which they were dealing, should be called to task, and required to disgorge profits to people who were scammed as well as being subject to other penalties. Or were the people "scammed" willing participants in the deals, and essentially informed co-conspirators rather than victims, people who did not themselves at best, exercise their own due diligence.

Legislation compelled lending institutions to make loans to uncreditworthy borrowers without investigating their ability to repay, and then provided a market for this bad paper, so that it could be sold. Good grief.

Hey Vernon if You get a Dump because of that comment Tell RCADE I thought it was funny. Just so You don't get into trouble.

Larry

Liberals can fix things, right now: close Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It wasn't conservatives that chartered those two damn things. It wasn't conservatives who told them to lever up their balance sheets, with government guarantees on their bonds.

Doesn't matter, though. In order for Fannie and Freddie to get money in the hands of poor people, they first have to have a secondary market for the mortgages. And there won't be another one of those for a long, long time. Which means that the free market has corrected the artificial one, and that's progress.

RightisRight-
You understand that the SEC relaxed the leverage lines for investment banks in 2004?

Of course you don't. It wasn't done by Democrats or minorities or the poor, so why should you be informed of it.

So? They used to leverage to buy mortgage bonds. The mortgage bonds wouldn't have existed without the Barney Franks of the world telling Fannie and Freddie that every schmoe in America had to have a home, and the US government would pay in the event of default.

No problem, though. Bear Stearns: Gone. Lehman: Gone. Merrill: turned into a commercial bank, ditto for Goldman and Morgan Stanley.

Free market again. The US taxpayer will be paying off the bonds investors, while the companies that were stupid enough to originate the loans to people who couldn't pay them back go down in flames. Free marketeers--and anti-Wall Street liberals, funny enough--rejoice.

RiR

My wife and I got hundreds of offers over the last few years from every okie dokey mortgage company name you could think of.

You think these 'homeowners' sought out the loans? Guess again.

RightisRight-
The Barney Frank quotes you cream over at your betters' direction occurred when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, all committees, and the Presidency.

But good luck with that.

Luckily we never needed an equity loan or a refi. Also, lucky we have a shredder.

Rightisright-
Just out of curiosity, what do you know about sub-prime loans, their origination and provenance, and the vested interests that pushed them?

A lot. I also know it takes two to tango.

I shed no tears for any borrower who borrowed too much for his house, nor for anyone who loaned the money to people they suspected could not repay, nor for the contractors who overbuilt overpriced homes, nor for mortgage companies who used predatory lending practices. Plenty of greed all around, and now that it's all fallen apart, hopefully all concerned has learned a valuable lesson.

Fat chance, though.

"hopefully all concerned has learned a valuable lesson."

Yeah, like...next time, be the banker.

You think these 'homeowners' sought out the loans? Guess again.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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Noooooo. I'm sure that they all wanted to put down 25% and go with a 30-year-fixed mortgage just like their depression-era parents did. But then the loan officer pulled out a gun and forced them to buy a home tens of thousands of dollars more expensive, with a lower monthly payment besides, which--look here!--we can roll over your student loan, car payments, and your existing credit cards. And, out of fear, they agreed and went along. 125% loan-to-value! Invest the difference, or use it to buy furniture!! Or that boat you always wanted!! Or, you can "invest" in a nice vacation!!

LOL. Yeah. All those poor victims of those greedy mortgage originators. I don't deny there were egregious abuses--I've been reading about some of them. But it was a great big party, that nobody believed would really ever end.

Yeah, like...next time, be the banker.

#19 | Posted by Danforth
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Hmmm. Well, that didn't work out too well with Indymac, Freddie or Fannie, Lehman, Bear, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, and at least two more you'll be hearing about in the next few weeks.

No, not the bank...the banker.

I'm sure many landed safely due to their handy parachutes.

Some did. Most didn't. Don't think that just because some of the dumbass CEO's cashed out with a bundle, that too many others outside the executive suites managed to go elsewhere, in an industry with huge layoffs. For example, six thousand JPMorgan employees lost their jobs when they took over Bear Stearns--I'm sure that was a rude surprise, considering they were the acquiring bank. But that's life.

Good luck finding a job in banking these days. Or as a real estate appraiser, agent, mortgage originator, syndicator. Keep the talking points coming, though. There's an election coming up, and your party needs you.

"Keep the talking points coming"

You yourself admitted "some did". And one is too many.

Remind me...how many billions did Lehman pay in bonuses last year?

I dunno. But maybe we should round up all the secretaries, the mortgage processors, the janitors, the middle managers, the folks at the deposits bank, the thousands of people there who didn't have anything to do with subprime, and throw them in jail or something. Would that make you happy? Would that be the right thing to do?

What do I care? Most of 'em are uppity New York liberals who are going to be voting for Obama anyhow. Why should I worry about whether or not you guys want to make sure the very liberal population of Greenwich, Connecticut never find work again? Suits me. The heavy donors to the Chris Dodd's and the Barney Frank's, so they can keep the gravy train going?

Good.

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