I guess they're going to open a Bagdad Fox Affiliate.

Calling Bagdad Bob!

You know what they say You gotta Catapult the propaganda. Bunch of shit if You ask Me. If this wasn't an Illegal endeavor and a rightious one You would not need propaganda. Bunch of God damned BULLSHIT is what it is.

Larry

That is still more than we are paying for the war in Afghanistan.

......no problem .......it's not our money anyways......

.....borrowed from China......

When national euphoria broke out last year after an Iraqi singer won a talent contest in Lebanon, the U.S. military considered producing an Iraqi version of "American Idol" to help build nonsectarian nationalism.

When national euphoria broke out last year after an Iraqi singer won a talent contest in Lebanon, the U.S. military considered producing an Iraqi version of "American Idol" to help build nonsectarian nationalism.

"US Will Spend $300 Million in Iraq for Positive Press"

Hell, Obama has spent 50% more than that.

"US Will Spend $300 Million in Iraq for Positive Press"

Hell, Obama has spent 50% more than that.

#7 | Posted by KBM at 2008-10-03 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

With the difference being that the money Obama spent was given to him by people who wanted it spent.

In the case of Bush/McCain, it's our tax dollars that are once again being raped so Bush's best friends can get a few more dollars squeezed out of the US taxpayer before Georgie-Poo leaves office.

YEAH!

I just heard Bush say he would make sure "our tax dollars aren't wasted"!

He also said he would create a "plan" for using the money we just handed over for the WH bail-out "plane"!!!

WTF!? Is this shit bag kidding?

Translation: $300 Million on war propaganda.

it's easily remedied for those who do not wish to contribute.

I believe this is a renewal of contracts - where did the "Good Press" stories go that we paid for for the last three years?

Oh, there weren't any.

Maybe if we lie long enough we can pretend we are successful and go home.

When we spend our money and busy our time trying to make another country's citizens be more like Americans we invariably become less American.

This is truly ironic, and since this money should be spent at home to convince the Democrats that the USA isn't the evil, terrorist nation, freeing nations of dictators for oil, but rather a nation sending billions to poorer nations, advising and promoting liberty and democracy around the world and a mutual defense of democracy against socialistic imperialism (as does Vietnam, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, ad communistic nauseam), or fanatical religious theocracy; using human sacrifice.

Probably doesn't matter, though, and since the Iraqis actually have something to think well of the USA for doing, while Democrats can only think to blame Republicans for everything ... everything is Bush's and the neocon's fault to the Left, and the pretend patriot Republicans are the real traitors, not honest 5 year long demands for retreat from that awful civil war we started.

No, Democrats really hate the USA and have actually forced this crises over the last two years they've been in total control ... they can't be fooled with any sort of information which promotes the USA.

Democrats are the real patriots, in that regard, for promoting government takeover of our economic system, rather than wasting our time freeing nations from tyranny. We need to tax more to give to the poor, those which Democrats have institutionalized since Johnson's "Great Society" began. Now we provide them housing. We provide them free medical care via earmarks. We provide them sustenance. We, as Democrats, even invite illegal aliens to join the poor and use the benefits without being citizens or having to donate equally. After we run out of money, we Leftists tax some more to fix the economic sinkhole our welfare state without oversite has created, in the first place ...

I really don't know how anyone can claim to be a "Democrat" anymore! It is as difficult for me to understand as those Leftists and, or Democrats who still claim they are proud to be "liberals" or even "socialists"!?!

For blind stupidity after in going after the welfare/freebie "rabbit", the front runners of the field must always be the yellow-dog-democrats. They should carry signs:

Will Go Blind For Votes

Who are you going to vote for, tad?

You've written that McCain is a literal traitor, and Obama is a dem.

Barr? No vote? Just curious.

Hi Tad, sawatdee khrap!

BTW, Alex, I said that McCain was tortured into being a traitor, unlike the Democrats and the faithless Leftists who are traitors for votes, and not for being tortured.

McCain might have shown his weakness (while others similarly tortured did not confess), but every service person knows that McCain is still a hero for his 22 years of service.

Those same service persons know that Democrats who agitated for retreat and defeat did it for votes, and that those partisans are no such thing as patriots, much less heroes.

Sawadii Khun Nullifidian khap Pen yangai bang khap sabai dii ruu khap

Hmmm, so now that McCain is the only republican left in the race, he's no longer a "traitor" but a "hero" now.

What an amazing change of heart, tad. *snicker*

Khorp khun khrap. Phom sabai dee khrap. Leaw khun la khrap.

"Sawadii Khun Nullifidian khap Pen yangai bang khap sabai dii ruu khap"

3 years and 3 days, and---sans translation---that's the most coherent post I've ever seen from Tad.

$300 million?

You guys are still willing to throw money like that away?

Hell, I shouldn't complain... you are giving Pakistan $15 Billion (bill signed by Biden)... lol.. 300 million is chump change.

Khorp khun khrap. Phom sabai dee khrap. Leaw khun la khrap.

You guys do foreign languages too???

What a neat place!

Can I play too?

Can I, can I, can I? Huh huh?

Teri maa kay gaand may keera!

Only Klifferd will understand this.

Go ask him. lOL

Kilffy!

Don't tell 'em!

Any more requests?

I do requests too, you know.

Because I'm a nice guy.

Awww... you people are no fun. Fuck all of you.

Luv and kisses. Bye.

If you just do the right thing, this would not be necessary.

We are approaching barbarian behaviour levels.

"We are approaching barbarian behaviour levels."

We, on the other hand, have surpassed barbarian behavior levels.
~Blackwater

Fresno I think we passed that point of barbaric behavior long time ago don't You?? I mean the United States the Country that is SUPPOSED to be against Illegal Acts of Aggression and deamed those acts as Barbaric has perpetrated one Herself. The United States has lost their moral standing within the world community and have lost all rights to condemn others for the same offenses. We have so lost our collective way it's downright depressing.

Larry

"I mean the United States the Country that is SUPPOSED to be against Illegal Acts of Aggression and deamed those acts as Barbaric has perpetrated one Herself."

Right you are, Larry...and THESE are the A-holes who should be made to pay for it!

What is most amazing is that Americans have become such docile sheep that we don't even protest things like this any more. I guess if spending 700 billion bailing out billionaires to prevent martial law and a depression doesn't cause us to rise up nothing ever will.....well unless they took away most American's favorite TV shows.

Get Out of Iraq

You staged an invasion
Based on concocted information
That we had weapons of mass destruction
But our oil was your real intention

We were no threat to you
Our capabilities were primitive you knew
Your fabricated evidence just grew
And you just did what you had to do

You wanted to get rid of Saddam the bad leader
You said it will make our lives much better
We would never under a dictator suffer
We were fools to believe, you were clever

Saddam is now gone, never to return
Now you terrorize us in turn
Our people you kill, our houses you burn
You seek our gratitude, yet scorn you earn

You cobbled up a coalition of the willing
Of spineless nations to do your bidding
Now, one by one, even they are shirking
Cause the world opinion is now changing

Saddam catered to the elite, you did too
Saddam killed our people, you did too
Saddam tortured our people, you did too
Saddam brutalized the nation, you did too

We were not a democracy but were relatively free
We had jobs and an oil based economy
We had homes, children, spouses, family
We had laughter, sharing, caring, glee

Now we have a democratic government
Our jobs gone, oil yields nary a red cent
Homes bombed, children murdered, family in tent
Torture, sorrow, grief, anguish, lament

Akbar

THESE are the A-holes who should be made to pay for it!

Very cute.

Stop shifting blame.

It is America... all of you, who should pay for it. You all let it happen.

I can only imagine what the Iraqi think about the United bloody States of America.

I hope they will forgive you someday, but I hope they never forget the snakes you are.

Throw a few more billion dollars at Iraq for propaganda. Maybe they will forget faster? LOL

BULLSHIT Jestgettingalong. The Blame rests squarely with Dubya and those who continually support Him and the Illegal Iraq War. That would be YOU Jestgettingalong. That would be OohRah That would be JeffJ that would be BushLoverTwo. You all are responsible. You guys supported it and Dubya. Suck it up and accept responsibility.

Larry

I hear my name being called. What's up, LAR? I hadn't posted on this thread.

A quick reading of the subject - sounds like a good idea. Positive press goes a long way to shaping public opinion. Look at how it's helped Obama.

You were one of those here who supported the Illegal invasion of Iraq weren't You OohRah?? Seems to Me that put You in the list of people responsible for it. Oh and Propaganda would not be necessary if the war was rightious and just. So this is BULLSHIT of the highest order.

Larry

So it's that again?
It was illegal? Prove it. The "legality" was there, though retrospectively, the argument could be made the timing wasn't necessary.

Or another way of putting it, can you cite a "legal" war we've fought and what made it legal?

Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)

Desert Storm? (Iraq didn't attack us)

WWII? (Germany didn't attack us)

Korea? (ditto)

And what about our involvement in Kosovo, with Noriega, Afghanistan, etc?

Meant North Vietnam, not N Korea.

"Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)"

It's a little early to be hitting the sauce.

"It's a little early to be hitting the sauce." - ZAT

It's five o'clock somewhere...

So it's that again?
It was illegal? Prove it. The "legality" was there, though retrospectively, the argument could be made the timing wasn't necessary.

Or another way of putting it, can you cite a "legal" war we've fought and what made it legal?

Vietnam? (North Korea didn't attack us)

Desert Storm? (Iraq didn't attack us)

WWII? (Germany didn't attack us)

Korea? (ditto)

And what about our involvement in Kosovo, with Noriega, Afghanistan, etc?

#41 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BULL Fucking shit. It was Illegal from the word Go. You on the right just don't have the fucking balls to admit to it. Please do try again OohRah.

Vietnam they were seaking help.

Desert storm was a UN Declared War so We HAD to go in honoring our treaty obligations.

Germany did too atttack us. They were attacking our shipping vessels in neutral territory. Oh and they Officially declared war upon us December the 11 1941. Nice revisionist history OohRah.

Korea was another UN Declared War which we had to involve ourselves with in honouring our treaty obligations with the UN

Larry

Kosovo was a NATO War. Not sure about noriega and Afghansitan.

As for Illegallity of the Iraq War. We agreeed to the terms of the WMD Sanctions. NONE of those Sanctions authorized the use of Military force needed with UN Charter 41 Our own AUMF Stated that Dubya was to defend the US and also to enfoce all relevant UN Resolutions. NONE of the relevant UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force with regards to Iraq. Therefore a Second UN Resolution was needed to make it LEGAL. So You see OohRah do You see how so very wrong You are???????

Larry

If the Afghanistan war You are talking about this one well that falls under the UN Charter article 51. Just an FYI

Larry

Cussing doesn't bolster your case, LAR. If it was illegal, prove it. Gather up your evidence and pursue the matter.

You seek to criminalize policy decisions - in this case a decision which carried lots of support on both sides of the aisle. You can argue Iraq may have been foolhardy, ill-planned, poorly executed at times, expensive, etc, etc, etc... but it was not illegal.

As to our involvement with the UN I wasn't under the impression that UN members were compelled, by treaty, to commit troops to a UN-passed resolution authorizing force. Are you sure? If so, why aren't all UN member nations required to commit troops?

Oh and for those who claim the AUMF that was passed on October 10 2002 Gave Dubya the authority to wage War. Why then in His Letter to congress that He was using the Authorization passed just scant Days after the WTC 9-11 disaster. He just shows from this letter that even He knew it was Illegal and did not grant Him the authority necessary if it did He would have used that in His letter to congress before He initiated Hostilities.

Larry

You seek to criminalize policy decisions - in this case a decision which carried lots of support on both sides of the aisle. You can argue Iraq may have been foolhardy, ill-planned, poorly executed at times, expensive, etc, etc, etc... but it was not illegal.

As to our involvement with the UN I wasn't under the impression that UN members were compelled, by treaty, to commit troops to a UN-passed resolution authorizing force. Are you sure? If so, why aren't all UN member nations required to commit troops?

#48 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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It most certainly was Illegal. None of the UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force. Each one of them has the phrase Decides to remain seized of the matter. Which means they hold the reins on the subject matter. There are only 2 UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of force. UN Resolution 678 and 686. 678 allowed all member states the power to remove Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait and that was it. No invasion of Iraq No invasion of Baghdad. Just the removal of Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait. It was carried over in UN Resolution 686 which was the cease fire resolutions. It allowed for the Use of Military force in UN Resolution 678 Article 2. It was formally removed on April 03 1991 at Safwan Treaty and concurrently in UN Resolution 687 Articles 33 and 34 Respectively.

Your Country IS compelled to act when the UN Security Council Declares it and especially for a Founding member as the United States is. Why isn't every Country compelled to send troops because not every Country has those resources available.

Larry

None of the RELEVANT UN Resolutions gave automacy for the use of Military force.

Just to clarify your view, LAR, can the US enter a war without explicit UN "authority?"

Just to clarify your view, LAR, can the US enter a war without explicit UN "authority?"

#52 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yep if My Country of Kansas Bombs Your Country of North Carolina(I Believe that is right) and You go to War against Me. You don't need the permission of the UN Security Council because that falls under UN Charter Article 51 on Self Defense. Then You can tell Your Military Let the bombs rain on Me.

Larry

LAR-
Surely you're not the only one perceptive enough to see the war as illegal. It's been roughly 6 years, including the past couple with Dems running Congress. Have there been war trials to try W in absentia? If not, why? If Bush is as hated as you think he is, wouldn't it be relatively easy to gin up both the evidence and public support to purge this evil?

Virtually NO pol in either party has made the case it's illegal. They'll say Dubya lied, misled, etc... and go on about how it's weakened our world standing, etc. But those issues are separate from arguing the legality issue, no?

You will not see anything come from the Congress because they themselves don't want to admit and can not admit the United States has engaged in Illegal Behavior. Then they would have to do some real House Cleaning and they don't want that. They would prefer it be seen on the up and up when they know it's not. Sorry You can't grasp the truth though OohRah.

Larry

Oh Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the ONLY ones who have the guts and balls to admit to the truth. But people like You OohRah and lots of Democrats and Republicans call them nuts because they don't look after the welfare of AMerica like these two have done.

Larry

LAR-

Yes, it's North Carolina.

You're still bringing the UN into it ("... falls under UN Charter Article 51 on Self Defense")

Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?

Can we go into Iran to prevent them from further developing nukes - particularly in light of their avowed desire to wipe Israel off the map... and their view of us as the great Satan?

(1)Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?

(2)Can we go into Iran to prevent them from further developing nukes - particularly in light of their avowed desire to wipe Israel off the map... and their view of us as the great Satan?

#57 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 Yes

2 Depends on the wording on the UN Resolutions and Sanctions against Iran. Doubtful however.

Larry

You want to act Roguly OohRah then insit the United States get out of the UN. But I warn You we will need the UN More than the UN Will need us. Guaranteed. Our collective arrogance has seen to that.

Larry

"Oh Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the ONLY ones who have the guts and balls to admit to the truth." - LAR

Sounds like you're reliving our debate on the Marine's case against Murtha from last week. The US operates within a legal system. You appear to want to exist in a parallel legal universe which supports your worldview.

I've granted you the war can be debated on multiple levels. However, the legal issue (innocent till proven guilty) applies to this administration just like it does to anyone. Or should the admin be frog-marched off to new roommates named Bubba, Crusher and Blade?

"1)Can we go into Pakistan if we think OBL is there?
Yes" - LAR

So we can "legally" unilaterally invade a sovereign nation because our intelligence says OBL is there? And you'd be fine with that?

Sounds like you're reliving our debate on the Marine's case against Murtha from last week. The US operates within a legal system. You appear to want to exist in a parallel legal universe which supports your worldview.

I've granted you the war can be debated on multiple levels. However, the legal issue (innocent till proven guilty) applies to this administration just like it does to anyone. Or should the admin be frog-marched off to new roommates named Bubba, Crusher and Blade?

#60 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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NOT when they act contrary to the Law. Just because I go and blow Joe Blow away and never am charged for it does not mean I am innocent.

As far as Dubya being Innocent until proven guilty the Guilt is there in the paperwoirk. You don't need anything else. Common sense is all You need.

Larry

"You want to act Roguly OohRah then insit the United States get out of the UN." - LAR

I said nothing about insisting we drop from the UN.

My question remains - are we free to act in our nation's interest apart from "authorization" from the UN? Yes or no?

What is your view? Yes or no?

So we can "legally" unilaterally invade a sovereign nation because our intelligence says OBL is there? And you'd be fine with that?

#61 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes because they harbor guys who (If You want to believe the official report ) attacked the United States. It's still self defense becaquse those who aid and abet people that have attacked the United States they are just as guilty.

Larry

My question remains - are we free to act in our nation's interest apart from "authorization" from the UN? Yes or no?

What is your view? Yes or no?

#63 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes for self defense agianst those who have attacked us and that is the ONLY time other than to help an ally.

Larry

"Common sense is all You need." - LAR

Wow.

WOW what. It's the truth. All You need is a basic understanding on what words mean if You have trouble there is the dictionary. Read the UN Resolutions READ them and then tell Me I am full of shit.

Larry

"Yes for self defense agianst those who have attacked us and that is the ONLY time other than to help an ally." - LAR

So if Saddam's opposition within Iraq asks for our help, what do you tell them?

When people in Iran, Darfur, Kosovo, etc, ask for our help, what do we tell them?

So if Saddam's opposition within Iraq asks for our help, what do you tell them?

When people in Iran, Darfur, Kosovo, etc, ask for our help, what do we tell them?

#68 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Go to the UN and get it done legally NO PROBLEM then. We want to tell the world how to run their lives we need to abide by the rules we agree to when we sign these treaties. You OohRah obviously do not believe in honouring Your Country's agreements.

"Yes because they harbor guys who (If You want to believe the official report ) attacked the United States. It's still self defense becaquse those who aid and abet people that have attacked the United States they are just as guilty." - LAR

So decisions to invade are based in large part on our intelligence reports? And our "belief" of them?

And Saddam had nothing to do with aiding and abetting terrorism? The attackers came from other nations but Saddam supported terrorism and multiple intelligence agencies believed him on the path to WMDs. Heck, in the very early days of our invasion the Iraq military leaders were waiting for Saddam's word to use the weapons on our troops. His army even thought they had 'em.

so, Larry...

You think you should come into Pakistan if you think O'Binbin is here?

What if you come in... kill a whole bunch of nice folk... and then it turns out he never was here?

US intel... as usual... lied.

What then?

See. You are no different.

So decisions to invade are based in large part on our intelligence reports? And our "belief" of them?

And Saddam had nothing to do with aiding and abetting terrorism? The attackers came from other nations but Saddam supported terrorism and multiple intelligence agencies believed him on the path to WMDs. Heck, in the very early days of our invasion the Iraq military leaders were waiting for Saddam's word to use the weapons on our troops. His army even thought they had 'em.

#70 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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It doesn't matter if Saddam Hussein supported terrorism or not. He didn't support al qaeda nor the Taliban nor did He support the ones who attacked the United States and that is what is the crux of the whole shebang. As far as the WMD it wasn't Our place to decide to invade. We agreed to the terms of the WMD Sanctions. We agreed by Our signature that the decision to invade rested solely with the UN Security Council.

You have to have concrete proof before You go in before You can invade. Since the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been crossing the border into Pakistan with verifiable proof there is no belief there. IT's EYE WITNESSED.

Larry

"Go to the UN and get it done legally NO PROBLEM then." - LAR

But what if the UN won't make it "legal?" Are you saying we shouldn't and can't move in? Are you subordinating our views to those of the UN?

So if, say, Israel is getting hammered (and the UN won't pass a resolution due to Russia's veto) are we do do nothing?

What about the proxy wars we had with the USSR?

Or what would you have done with the Cuban missle crisis? Wait for the UN? Or invade? Neither choice is pleasant.

As an Asian who.. thank God... isn't an American, I only understand one thing.

And that is Americans enjoy all wars as long as they feel they are winning.

But when the body-bags start piling up... public opinion changes and turns into a blame game.

"I didn't vote for Bush!" or "The Repubs are to blame!" or "I feel bad!".

Yeah yeah yeah...

You think you should come into Pakistan if you think O'Binbin is here?

What if you come in... kill a whole bunch of nice folk... and then it turns out he never was here?

US intel... as usual... lied.

What then?

See. You are no different.

#71 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Has the Taliban/Al Qaeda gone into Pakistan?? How is that being no different??

IT's EYE WITNESSED.

Osama has never been seem in Pakistan, smarty.

Mushi was the one who said he might be here. He said it to get $11 Billion out of your ass.

Now Mushi is gone.

1)But what if the UN won't make it "legal?" Are you saying we shouldn't and can't move in? Are you subordinating our views to those of the UN?

20So if, say, Israel is getting hammered (and the UN won't pass a resolution due to Russia's veto) are we do do nothing?

3)What about the proxy wars we had with the USSR?

4)Or what would you have done with the Cuban missle crisis? Wait for the UN? Or invade? Neither choice is pleasant.

#73 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 Sorry You can go into their Countries but You should be willing to pay the Legal price for said endeavours.

2 No need for UN Resolution Israel is an ally of ours. Falls under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

3. No Opinion

4. It should have went before the UN Security Council but it didn't.

Larry

LAR-
TOSSER beat me to it. Our diving into Pakistan or wherever we feel al-q leaders might be hiding will leave a mess... not only in terms of dead civilians, but in creating some major headaches for that nation's government.

Terrorism vs a nation's army... makes for a new dynamic in fighting wars. It's relatively easy to wipe out a nation's army (Iraq) but terrorism must be fought on multiple levels - diplomatic, technological, military, public relations (the subject of this thread) etc.

"I didn't vote for Bush!" or "The Repubs are to blame!" or "I feel bad!".

Yeah yeah yeah...

#74 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I never supported the Iraq War NEVER. You can go as far back as the very begining of My time here in 2004 and the folks there then can tell You the same thing. I think I drove RCADE fucking nuts being here then as well as now.

Larry

TOSSER beat me to it. Our diving into Pakistan or wherever we feel al-q leaders might be hiding will leave a mess... not only in terms of dead civilians, but in creating some major headaches for that nation's government.

Terrorism vs a nation's army... makes for a new dynamic in fighting wars. It's relatively easy to wipe out a nation's army (Iraq) but terrorism must be fought on multiple levels - diplomatic, technological, military, public relations (the subject of this thread) etc.

#78 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Sorry but we need to act legally when we undertake these missions. If We don't then we lose all moral high ground and any justification to condemn anyone else. But we all know what the real reason is for 9-11 (Which I still believe to be an inside job) was to facilitae the Coming (As of then) resource wars. That is the ONLY Reason for the Global War on Terror.

Larry

I never supported the Iraq War NEVER.

And yet, you support Americans coming inside Pakistan to kill everyone.

Rest assured, when the body bags start coming back home, your opinion will change too.

Understand one thing. You had your chance to catch the bastard and you blew it.

Why should you get another chance at Pakistan's expense???

It isn't going to happen, so all of you can lose the hard-ons.

"Has the Taliban/Al Qaeda gone into Pakistan?? How is that being no different??" - LAR

So I understand you... you're interested in more than simply nabbing OBL, but you want to get Al Qaeda?

Wouldn't that mean engaging them in multiple countries? Surely Al Qaeda exists in more than the mountains of Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Technically, those who attacked us died in the planes. So if it was simply getting those responsible for the deed, they're already doing their virgins. Too late.

So it sounds to me, LAR (and correct me where I'm wrong) that you'd support going after those who didn't directly attack us - perhaps those who helped mastermind the plot, those who trained them, those who helped finance them, perhaps even nations who offered safe haven for any of the above?

Understand one more thing.

America is very close to declaring war on the Pathan people. Or they are close to declare war on you.

You are no longer fighting the Taliban. You are no longer fighting Al-Qaeda.

Your little war has slipped down the slope and you are close to war with the Pathan people.

It is the largest tribe on the planet. 10 million Pathans in Afghanistan and 25-30 million in Pakistan.

And they are all armed. And they have never recognized the Pak-Afghan border (Durrand Line).

God help you.

Technically, those who attacked us died in the planes. So if it was simply getting those responsible for the deed, they're already doing their virgins. Too late.

So it sounds to me, LAR (and correct me where I'm wrong) that you'd support going after those who didn't directly attack us - perhaps those who helped mastermind the plot, those who trained them, those who helped finance them, perhaps even nations who offered safe haven for any of the above?

#82 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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WRONG on technically those responsible have died. If they belong to a terrorist organization then aren't the rest responsible?? They sure are so You see it's going after the ones who attacked the United States too.

America is very close to declaring war on the Pathan people. Or they are close to declare war on you.

You are no longer fighting the Taliban. You are no longer fighting Al-Qaeda.

Your little war has slipped down the slope and you are close to war with the Pathan people.

It is the largest tribe on the planet. 10 million Pathans in Afghanistan and 25-30 million in Pakistan.

And they are all armed. And they have never recognized the Pak-Afghan border (Durrand Line).

God help you.

#83 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Link Me to this PLEASE

For Americans who do not understand who the Pathans (Pashtuns) are, see this intro:

"WRONG on technically those responsible have died. If they belong to a terrorist organization then aren't the rest responsible?? They sure are so You see it's going after the ones who attacked the United States too." - LAR

Do you realize you have just adopted the Bush Doctrine? Or at least one of them. Charlie Gibson can probably straighten it out.

So you didn't support the Iraq War, but you do support going into nations to hunt down al qaeda? Is that right?

Link Me to this PLEASE

Go read my crap and fish out the YouTube link yourself.

It was more than a month ago (I think) when I posted a YouTube link of what ordinary Afghans think of the US.

Do your own research. I live here and don't need to look up "links" like some kid who wet his nappy.

TOSS-
In your view, assuming OBL is in Pakistan, what is the best way to capture/kill him? Seems like the politics over there is awfully dicey right now.

Do you realize you have just adopted the Bush Doctrine? Or at least one of them. Charlie Gibson can probably straighten it out.

So you didn't support the Iraq War, but you do support going into nations to hunt down al qaeda? Is that right?

#87 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You obviously do not understand what the Bush Doctrine is do You OohRah. It is to attack Countries before they have attacked You. AL Qaeda and the Taliban have already attacked us. No Bush DOctrine to be found in that now is there??

Larry

AL Qaeda and the Taliban have already attacked us.

1. Taliban never attacked you. Al-Qaeda did.

2. Pakistan never attacked you. Saudi Arabia did (15 Saudi citizens).

Your people couldn't do shit to the Saudis. Instead they gave the Bin Ladin family leave the US with questioning.

Keep your dick in your pants.

1. Taliban never attacked you. Al-Qaeda did.

2. Pakistan never attacked you. Saudi Arabia did (15 Saudi citizens).

Your people couldn't do shit to the Saudis. Instead they gave the Bin Ladin family leave the US with questioning.

Keep your dick in your pants.

#91 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-04 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 The Taliban were supporters of Al Qaeda were they not??

2 If Pakistan does not do everything in their power to remove AL Qaeda/Taliban and their leaders it is the same as if they attacked the United States. It's called aiding and abetting. And I agree the Saudi Government is responsible too. THAT we agree upon Tosser.

Larry

In your view, assuming OBL is in Pakistan, what is the best way to capture/kill him? Seems like the politics over there is awfully dicey right now.

Pakistan's politics will ALWAYS be dicey. You are just noticing it. LOL

I have seen far worse, not to worry.

And you want the Pathans in the tribal areas to behave? To give up Bin Ladin (if he is here... which I doubt).

What happened to that plan? The plan that gives free US market access to goods made in the tribal areas?

Dubya and Mushi thought up this plan together.

The US sez it is committed to this plan.

But the US delays.

This plan is the only thing that will work.

This is the only way for the US to prove to the tribals and the Pathans that you are their friends.

Right now, they just don't believe it.

Laters I have a hot date with a 78 Year old hot babe.

Larry

If Pakistan does not do everything in their power to remove AL Qaeda/Taliban and their leaders it is the same as if they attacked the United States.

And why should we do your dirty work for you?

You couldn't clean up Afghanistan... not our problem.

Since the last few months, Pakistan is engaged in heavy anti-taliban operations in "Swat" (look it up) and "Bajaur" (look it up).

These are where the anti-Pakistan Taliban are. We have almost finished them up.

These are Pakistan's concern.

The Taliban who piss in Afghanistan, are not our concern.

Laters I have a hot date with a 78 Year old hot babe.

WTF???

Did he just say he was going to tattle to his mommy?

I didn't push him THAT hard...

It's called aiding and abetting.

Pakistan can "aid and abet".

You still can't do shit to us.

We go by different rules. Your Obama and Biden just gave us $15 Billion. Get used to it.

Welcome to the real world.

And btw... where is Osama?

I will tell you where he is.

He is where all criminals go.

You make your way down the coast to Makran. There you take a fishing boat (also used for illegal smuggling from Dubai) to Dubai or Oman and be there in 24 to 48 hours.

Then you drive in a rented car to Saudi.

And then you live with the Bin Ladin family... with your mom. It is already known, the US can not touch the Bin Ladin family. They give them tickets home. LOL

Do the Americans know there is a good chance he is with his mom?

I am sure they do.

But they pretend otherwise. To save face.

It is already known, the US can not touch the Bin Ladin family.

More Lies, we al know what Georgie promised!

Where are those WMD's???

LARRY-
You're sounding more and more like a Neocon. Invade sovereign countries who didn't attack us... if you're not with us you're against us.

"intelligence" tells us OBL is hiding in a cave. How are you any different from that which you condemn? Particularly since you think 9/11 was an inside job and, therefore, OBL really wasn't to blame.

Two days ago, I told Larry he was smart.

I take that back. He is one confused person.

TOSS-
Just a minor clarification... when I spoke of the dicey political situation, I was referencing the most recent developments. I am aware, or as aware as most plugged in political hacks, that the Pakistan political situation is rarely what we'd call stable, in US terms.

Thanks for you input. I think, for most nations, the solution to mitigating terrorism involves diplomacy - working behind the scenes with governments to cooperate. Problem is, many nations have corrupted governments, or at least governments who tread lightly in terms of busting heads of terrorists.

I was referencing the most recent developments.

It's stable.

Of course, if American troops cross the border, and President Zardari doesn't order a counter-attack immediatly some patriot will kill the idiot, just like some patriot killed his slut of a wife (he probably killed her actually).

The next person in charge will be a real hot-head.

who tread lightly in terms of busting heads of terrorists.

Lightly?

I asked, look up "Swat" and look up "Bajaur".

Lightly???

LOL

We are all set to free Bajaur in 2 months. We have freed Darra Adam-khel from them already (look it up). We kill 100 taliban per op (look it up). NATO can only achieve 30 kills at best.

Lightly?

Don't be fooled by a bomb of two going off in Pakistan. It takes only a handful of people to do that.

America however is talking rubbish about some people coming over into Afghanistan from Pakistan and killing NATO and American soldiers...

Well, those are not "taliban".... unless "taliban" now means "ordinary Pathan or Afghan who hate the US". LOL

If you are so bloody concerned about "taliban" crossing over into Afghanistan... stand on the border and deal with them as the come across.

If you don't have the men for the job, then GET the men. I am sure you can manage against a few hundred (no they are not in the thousands) "taliban" coming from Pakistan.

Or is NATO so incompetent?

Maybe they are... European pussies. LOL "You forgot Poland!"

Problem is, many nations have corrupted governments,

The only nation that has a corrupt Govt. is the US.

We have been asking for advanced night-vision equipment for the last 4 years.

America agrees... yes yes yes... but then never delivers.

We have been asking for extra Cobra gunships since last 4 years.

They are being only now. What was Dubya doing since the last 4 years? Standing in a corner with his thumb up his ass?

The Cobras we have were to get a C-NITE upgrade. That would enable them to fire Hellfire missiles.

Well fuck... where are our upgrades?

I think it is a mistake buying American equipment.

Deliveries are made years late.

In 4 years, the "taliban" are stronger than NATO.

4 years is a long time to drag your feet.

America wants itself to fail, then it blames others.

I suspect someone from the US Govt. is skimming the money for our upgrades.

The American Govt. is corrupt (everyone agrees.. specially Americans themselves)... I bet the new people coming will be even worse.

Maa-Tosser chip hai ruu maa suub burii phom

Nullifidian phom sabai dii maag thidiaw khap

I enjoy the Leftist burkes who dig up/count America dead as they sneak up their own close, in order to vilify those same examples of US determination to fight terrorism and defend democracy! They pretend they are "patriotic" by wanting to end any death of a soldier, but then turn around and call them torturers, murderers, war criminals, if they aren't calling them too dumb for "real" life.

You are a real brick, for sure, and positively thick as ...

Indeed, the radical creeps whine about the "real" reason for going to war being "Oil Greed", but when that independent nation (not under US "Oil" hegemony) decides to sell the oil elsewhere?

Of course, the two-faced hypocrites whine and moan in their own greed to have the oil, and that Bush is somehow evil for "allowing" and independent nation to make its own decisions about their own oil!

Thick as a brick just doesn't do justice to the reality!

Pai chak wao, Tosser.

I can do languages too, Bhain-chod.

Tadpole! Now I remember you!

Kutay ki aulad.

Mather-chod, haram-zaday. LOL

I enjoy the Leftist

Tadpole.. andhay.. mai leftist kubsay ho gaya??? Mai to Amreekan hi nai hoon!

(Tadpole... blind idiot... since when have I become "leftist"? I am not even American!)

Yay acha khel hai!

(Nice game, this is!)

Klifferd must be laughing his ass off....

Gandu... doosri zaban mat bolnay ki koshish karo jubtak poori nahi bol sako.

(Asshole... second language, don't try and talk in, unless you are fluent in all of it.)

Americans are lousy with Asian languages.

Go learn some European language... like shitty French... to impress the girls. Those will be much easier to learn for you.

"Nullifidian phom sabai dii maag thidiaw khap"

Phom mai kao jai "thidiaw" khrap.

Could be a transliteration difference.

You're sounding more and more like a Neocon. Invade sovereign countries who didn't attack us... if you're not with us you're against us.

Regarding the Bush Doctrine, take a few minutes to educate yourself:
en.wikipedia.org

It has a variety of meanings. So you, as well as Sarah Palin, are rightfully not bound to one specific definition. Nor am I. I chose one. You chose another.

In light of that, will you continue to fault Palin for her answer?

And, more important, do you now see that you and Dubya are on the same page in terms of wanting to root out al-q wherever it leads us?

I mean, you're seemingly perfectly willing to invade, yes invade, Pakistan because "intelligence" tells us OBL is hiding in a cave. How are you any different from that which you condemn? Particularly since you think 9/11 was an inside job and, therefore, OBL really wasn't to blame.

#101 | Posted by OohRah at 2008-10-04 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Dude You don't fucking get it do You. When a group attacks the United States and then goes into a Country and that Country either fail to clean up their shit IE Remove the Terrorist group from their Country or gives aid and comfort to them they automatically become just as guilty and must be declared a participant to the terrorist act. Now OohRah I beg You please get a clue on what the Bush Doctrine is. It is the Pre emptive strike doctrine. It has only one meaning. PERIOD. I went to Your link but they added meanings to what the Bush DOctrine was after the fact. Yopu bcan not do sop. You can not add meanings to a doctrine when You set out the Doctrine. Oh and rooting out Al Qaeda. They weren't in Iraq before we invaded so You can not use that excuse to justify the Illegal Invasion of Iraq. No matter how hard You try. Nice try however.

Larry

they automatically become just as guilty

The thing to consider is... in Pakistan's case, what can you do about it?

Not much of anything, except fire potshots at empty houses, after which we tell you "10 kids died, boohoo". LOL

You can't invade Pakistan.

Might as well shut up and take whatever we see fit to do for you.

Beggars can't be choosers, you know.

If Osama is ever spotted in Pakistan (hasn't ever been.. I am just saying)... WHAT can you do?

Rush in? Like some Hollywood movie? hahahahahahahahahaa

I don't think you realize it, but you have already lost in Afghanistan.

I have seen it all before.

The Afghans showed the exact same signs they are showing now about 2 years before the Soviets were defeated there.

Assuming you are better than the Russians (you are not)... you have 3 or 4 years in Afghanistan at the most. Then bye bye.

The Russians had solid supply lines and unlimited supplies. The Soviet Union was across the Afghan border!

You have everything coming in from Pakistan.

You are screwed.

What I say, might hurt a few American egos.

OK.. don't believe me.

You will see for yourself.

The Russians had solid supply lines and unlimited supplies. The Soviet Union was across the Afghan border!
You have everything coming in from Pakistan.
You are screwed.

#121 TOSSER

This is true but only because we won't act as the Russians would if the situation was reversed. If we did Your hair would be on fire, literally.

The whole point is... in case it isn't obvious to thick American bricks... Pakistan is wise enough to sit on the fence and then pick the winning side.

America isn't the winning side.

American foreign policy in recent years has ALWAYS been on the losing side. You just have to touch something and it turns into mud.

Tosser I know we are screw