are you saying john mccain just doesn't understand healthcare reform?

Well, you know McCain was never an astronaut either.

His plan would require all employers except small businesses to either offer health insurance or contribute to the cost of coverage. It would replace the current individual insurance market with an insurance exchange in which small businesses and those without access to coverage could buy a private or public health plan with tax credits.

Yeah, and watch salaries go down and prices go up. Just another way government will shut down more businessess. Health insurance is not guarenteed by the constitution - life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness - that's it. Everything else-keep your hands off govnt.

Tax credits - great, more redistribution of money people earned to people who do not earn. One step, er a billion steps closer to the socialist state the left wants so badly.

could buy a private or public health plan with tax credits.

Where in the world can you buy family coverage for $5000 per year?

Obviously McCain is such a fan of free market private insurance that is why he has been the recipient of three different government health insurance plans.

Why does John not lead by example?

"life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness "

i agree
bring my taxes back down to 2%

not 40%

then you have a reason to talk
otherwise shut up

the government takes half our hard earned money

if we are paying then they should provide

else we should stop paying

i am completely FOR paying a 2% tax
or lets say 15%
just for the national military and infrastructure and police/fire.

republicans are for a socialist society
for the elite and corporations

but get mad when we try to extend their socialist programs to the regular joe

what a bunch of crap

"Promote the general welfare"?

"Promote the general welfare"?

#7 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Why does that always mean a handout? Is it promoting the general welfare to continue to reward behavior that necessitates these programs?

It's the old give a fish teach to fish scenario - we are not doing enough teaching! Giving someone a handup in a time of crisis is being human, giving someone a handout because it is easier for them is being a facilitator.

"Yeah, and watch salaries go down and prices go up. Just another way government will shut down more businessess.

That show sounds familiar. In fact that sounds exactly like what we've been watching with the current "individual insurance market".

"Health insurance is not guarenteed by the constitution - life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness - that's it."

You see that part there about Life. Well the Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a study which found a direct link between health insurance and life expectancy. Considering that health insurance often times makes the difference between life and death it sure sounds to me like health care is a guarantee.

"Is it promoting the general welfare to continue to reward behavior that necessitates these programs? "

Health insurance is a handout for what behavior, exactly?

"Health insurance is not guarenteed by the constitution - life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness - that's it. "

#3 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-10-02 11:50 AM

Actually, that's not it. The phrase you quoted is not in the Constitution.

Constitution, Declaration of Independence, what's the difference?
They're both just goddamn pieces of paper.

Well, considering that under Obamania insurance coverage would be mandatory, why would there be 33 million left? Conscientious objectors? Christian Scientists?

RIR once again shows he's just a bag of gas who has not actually done any research on the topic. Obama's plan is not mandatory. Hillary criticized him for that.