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The Senate passed its version of a mammoth plan to rescue the financial services industry Wednesday night, saying changes designed to protect individual investors and small business owners could be enough to persuade reluctant House members to go along with the plan. Senators agreed to the plan 74-25 as an amendment to an unrelated bill, which was passed shortly thereafter.

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Fuckers are gonna back door it, huh...

then come the home builders, then the retailers, and every other sector of our economy with their hands out.

Our government submits to economic terrorists.

Make sure they buy hard assets such as gold, silver, metals, homes, property and not all the BS paper money and fictitious companies etc.

Then bail out the construction industry which helped create this with the paper money.

Vote RON PAUL

The fact is the undercapitalization is by definition a solvency problem. The problem is not that good assets are temporarily hit with prices below their real worth and that new capital is needed to maintain debt to equity ratio. The problem is that all these debts were not worth their face value to begin with. The highly inflated market values of these assets were held up by circular trading of debt by assuming that they could always be sold at still higher prices way beyond their true worth.

Now that the market is finally adjusting the price bubble downward and a lot of firms that were incredibly profitable on the way up are falling like leaves in autumn in a bear market. The Fed is merely trying to inject money to keep the prices not supported by fundamentals from falling. It is a prescription for hyperinflation. The only way to keep price of worthless assets high is to lower the value of money. And that appears to be the Fed's unspoken strategy.


But now we will have to pay for the worthless assets because you can bet you bottom dollar that the property is going right back to those finance elites.

74 to 25 passed the amendment--to add the Dodd amendment..

Now they are voting on the final passage.

What Senator is missing? Oh is Kennedy there or no?

Barney Frank must resign!

The interesting part will be Obama and McCain's votes.

I'd expect McCain to take yet another big gamble and vote "no".

*** FLASH TRAFFFIC ** EXTREMELY URGENT ***
Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a message via the U.S. Federal Reserve Wire system from the US Fed instructing them to "perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system", including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards and ATM's.

Reliable word has it that BofA bank branches received a shipment of signs last week, reading "We're sorry, but due to circumstances beyond our control, we cannot be open at this time."

This raises the likelihood of a ONE WEEK LONG bank holiday coming soon. It would be wise to have some cash around because checks, credit cards, CDs don't work when the banks are closed. If you have CDs it might be worthwhile to cash them even though there is a penalty.

Additional word as of 8:08 PM EDT is that a silent run is taking place on many U.S. Banks with customers withdrawing huge amounts from all banks almost everyday. My source says that unless Congress comes through with a plan which will stop the silent run, Banks will be forced to close to stop the run.

The bill is better but it is still a bailout. So it is going to be paid 250B at a time.

And we better see some investigation--but withthe Dems in control--we will never see it.

I just dont understand how Bernake puts out 650B the day before yesterday and --before teh House vote and they claim they need another 700B to the idiots on Wall street.

If this is a credit liquidity problem wouldn't the 650B do the trick?

This is going to blow up on the American people within 5 years.

The bill passed --it is over 60 votes--done deal with the Senate.

Now back over to the sandbox House and the kiddies have to vote on the exact bill--they can't change a comma.

There vote is Friday.

"This is going to blow up on the American people within 5 years"

I would bet $$$$ on less if I still had $$$$ to bet...

Their vote is Friday

"There(sic) vote is Friday."

Posted by MURPHY

*headdesk*

i252.photobucket.com

i252.photobucket.com

The market should react positive tomorrow.

I think this is just a bandaid though.

We are screwed.

*** FLASH TRAFFFIC ** EXTREMELY URGENT ***
Reliable word that Bank of America branch managers just received a message via the U.S. Federal Reserve Wire system from the US Fed instructing them to "perhaps be ready for a one-week universal shut-down of the banking system", including access to checking accounts, savings accounts and credit cards and ATM's.

11 | Posted by AsianCapitalist at 2008-10-01 09:29 PM

Is this and the rest of what was written in your post true? I ask because I've never even seen you post on DR before (although your user history says you've been around since 2005) so how do we even know who you are -- or that you're telling the truth?

he's not Chris -- google the 1st sentence he's spouting and it's all horseshit -- nothing but a couple of nutjob blogs and yahoo message boards.

anything that says -- "Reliable Source" is anything but. AsianJackoffalist --show me an AP link and I'll retract the above.

It's against the law to keep banks closed for mor than 3 days.

Not that a law would stop the gov't from doing anything.

The market should react positive tomorrow.

I think this is just a bandaid though.

We are screwed.

#17 | Posted by MURPHY

We are screwed, Murphy.

The sleezy Senate which is corporate-owned have already admitted they don't know how much more debt is out there. Today both corporate toadies McCain and Obama covered their own butts by voting yes to keep those corporate donations coming their way.

The banks and our Congress have admitted they have no idea how much bad paper is wrapped in those mortgage securities. It could be billions or trillions more. I think this scandal goes much deeper than mortgage securities and that the debt and fraud is widespead throughout Wall Street and Congress and the financial industries.

What do you think about post #11? Do you think it's true?

If it is and there's a bank holiday, you can't do anything for one solid week with your bank (or longer if the banks never reopen again.)

"Vote RON PAUL"

Posted by ride_on

I did.

Then the Republicans gerrymandered the districts and I no longer have the pleasure.

#19 | Posted by johnnylock at 2008-10-01 09:44 PM

Thanks for your imput.

Still, I'm glad I yanked most of my money out the bank last Friday and moved it
into a credit union. Things aren't looking good. I've heard the rich and connected have been moving all their money out of the U.S. all through 2007 and 2008.

Oh happy day!

There are some people who need to be fired from congress.
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Everytime the gov't does something to mess with the markets they screw it up and make it worse.

They don't even know if this will fix the problem!!

I heard on Roger today that the 650B the Feds released to the global market takes a friggin year to circulate.

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I think Asian is blowing opium.

Cali,

#11 post is bull shit, don't pay attention to anyone spouting such crap.

Notice nothing sighting source of any kind, just trying to scare up at a laugh.

Pieces of shit aught to be jailed for trying to sight a riot.

"We are screwed."

#17 | Posted by MURPHY

Assume the position.

Senate approved it.
money.cnn.com

I think Asian is blowing opium

Don't diss opium. Everyone should have a few somniferum poppies growing in their homeopathic herb garden...


You can diss the Asians however...

"Pieces of shit aught to be jailed for trying to sight a riot."

Speaking of riot:

Beekeeper's definitions:
Revolution: a revolution is a large riot where the rioters have the power to pick up and carry off the jails...

Zat--you first..

Quick question- since the federal reserve already dumped about 630 billion in liquid to these banks, why do we even need this bill?

Aren't we essentially bailing them out twice since the fed already loaned out the cash?

Okay, I found the source of the article, you guys.

Don't blame me for the website -- Hal Turner -- 'cause I jwent googling just now for
info about "B of A bank holiday" and found it on one of google's pages.

Anyway, the article in the link is the exact same article that was posted on here in post #11 by "AsianCapitalist" I don't care where the article comes from, I'm just interested in knowing if there's any truth to it.

Here's the link and there are some blog comments at the end. Turner's website claims to have gotten the info directly from BofA. You all decide for yourselves.

BofA to declare bank holiday

The fucking bastards approved it!!!

I got to find out wether my two senators voted for this thing.

The financial crisis that toppled major Wall Street banks and snarled credit markets around the world has also taken a toll on nest eggs, forcing people to rethink when and even if their savings will allow them to retire.

Does anyone actually think that this was not the target in the first place.

All that baby boomer money sitting there just waiting to be taken.

Whenever I see the extreme ends of both parties unite against their own moderate wings, I get very suspicious. The "moderates" and the "leaders" of both parties have their snouts the deepest in the trough. They say we "have" to do this or the economy will blow apart.

In other words, allow us, over the course of two weeks, to appropriate 700 billion dollars - which goes straight to debt - or else. Sounds like the biggest case of blackmail in history.

Can anyone think of the last time Bush, Pelosi, Reid, McCain and Obama all agreed on something? And how sad it is that instead of finding this bi-partisanship heartening I find it utterly chilling instead.

Wow

I just found now saw another article on that Turner website about a major insurance company going to go under.

One of the posts at the end of the article questioned if it might by the FDIC. The FDIC is running short of money covering these banks so who knows. I don't know how reliable this website is but I guess we'll soon find out.

This is getting scary!

Major insurance company may go under

The fucking bastards approved it!!!

And so will the House, just you watch.

Wonderful day in America - stability for all.

Ok, apparently Levin (who is running for re election) voted for it, while Stabenow (who is up in 2012 I think) voted agains it.

Hoogendyk '08!

Hey, the Turner website story about a major insurance company possibly going under is true.

It's now on Drudge Report too!

DRUDGE REPORT - MAJOR INSURANCE COMPANY MAY GO UNDER


"stability for all."

Posted by taxman

That's what matter and anti-matter said at the beginning.

Matter lied.

For now.

Ugly bags of mostly water.

"Wonderful day in America - stability for all."

If you say so Tax ...

Have a nice night arguing y'all I'm sick of this, going to bed.

Good night, Member2586.

I feel the same way you do.

Think I go turn on an old movie or watch the History Channel -- ANYTHING to
get away from all this economic catasrophe.

" going to bed. "

Posted by member2586

How sad.

I'm going to listen to music while I sit outside and look at the stars.

The Milky Way is still quite clear here.

night

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Looks like JeffNDenmark has changed his username to AsianCapitalist.

Alex, printing billions of dollars does not erase the bad debt these investment banks have on the books or does anything to restore faith among those in the industry -- it doesn't reduce the libor rate (the percentage banks take from each other when they loan each other money). it just makes the availability of the money -- well more available for banks to use for loans.

It's akin to having someone that's losing blood due to injury -- the fed is the doctor pumping in blood to keep the patient alive. pumping blood does nothing to stop the bleeding or correct the injury but will help sustain the patient. I can't explain it any better than that. sorry, I was a history major.

Johnny,

Yes, or one could say poking more holes in the throat to allow more air in the lungs.


The senate is breaking the law right now.

The senate can not pass bills before the house does.

This is an illegal action by the government to fleece the people for unimaginable debt and give it to their banker friends, you should be absolutely outraged.

that's a much better analogy Moneywar.

I'll TIVO the debate but as of tomorrow morning I'm going fishing, away from the internets, away from my cell-phone, away from banks and my business, until Sunday afternoon. If I return to a whole new world on Sunday, so be it. There's nothing I can do about it if I stay, so I'm going to go get some peace and quiet.

You all have a nice rest of the week, and try to keep your panties un-bunched.

Later.

Remember these Senators who voted "no" against this $700 billion bailout swindle. They are the ones who should be re-elected and the rest of the Senators who voted "yes" should be thrown out of office.

The good guys --

Senators who voted No (against $700 billion bailout)

Allard (R)
Barasso (R)
Brownback (R)
Bunning (R)
Cantwell (D)
Cochran (R)
Crapo (R)
DeMint (R)
Dole (R)
Dorgan (D)
Enzi (R)
Feingold (D)
Inhofe (R)
Johnson (D)
Landrieu (D)
Nelson (FL) (D)
Roberts (R)
Sanders (I)
Sessions (R)
Shelby (R)
Stabenow (D)
Tester (D)
Vitter (R)
Wicker (R)
Wyden (D)

Whatsleft --

...but as of tomorrow morning I'm going fishing away from the internets, away from my cell-phone, away from banks and my business, until Sunday afternoon...

Have a good time and come back and tell us about the "one that got away." lol

Wish I was going with ya.

75-25

fucking Senate, very polite crooks.

the manner in which the House defeated this thievery, liberals and conservatives joined by ethics and honesty, is a most unusual coalition, actually responding to voters.

"major insurance company to go under"

haven't these clowns ever heard of a shakedown?

is there an honorable man or woman in Congress? get some stones and call their bluff. this is fear mongering by Reid at its finest and corporate welfare to the nth degree. liars and thieves the lot of them.

As my grandfather once told me, "the government gives you this in the ass!" -- then he thrust his middle finger high in the air.

I hope these fuckers enjoyed their time in Congress.

Mid-terms are a bitch, and so is the American voter.

HOw many of the 25 that voted NO are up for re-election in November?

Chill out. It's not the best bill in the world, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

And for all you guys who promise to remember the 'YES' voters come November, most of you will be throwing the lever for Obama, and most of the rest of you for McCain. So your faux outrage is plainly obvious.

And for all you guys who promise to remember the 'YES' voters come November, most of you will be throwing the lever for Obama, and most of the rest of you for McCain. So your faux outrage is plainly obvious.

So the mighty corporate free marketeer capitalist speaks but does anyone understand what he is trying to say.

RIR, does this mean you are not voting?

"Chill out. It's not the best bill in the world, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

For some, the lesser of two evils is the preferred pain-killer one can inject into themselves to take away the temporary pain one feels after hitting the floor while attempting to reach for something better.

Some continue to make another attempt in the hope for eventual success, while others pretend to make an attempt so they can fall down just to take another shot...

Also...

Evil sneaks in the slowly closing door upon the soft pattering of delicate feet.

I decided early on I wouldn't vote for McCain. And there's no way in hell I'd vote for Obama. NO WAY IN HELL. So I'll probably vote 3rd party.

g.e. next.

mark my words.

Joy to the financial world, you can borrow again!

right is wrong as usual,

look these fuckers are going to vaporize $700 billion, without changing the underlying problem (for workers). Real Estate is still going to crash, the big boys will be out of it when it goes and they will not reinvest in America. They'll move the money they stole to the safest most profitable commodity or place they can find, just like when Haliburton skipped out for Abu Dabi.

The FDIC requires their members to maintain 10% of their net worth as a capital reserve. If yu are highly leveraged in a period of growth you can make money hand over fist. But if the economy sinks and you are highly leveraged you are wiped out. This is what happened to these crooks.

After 212 years as an Investment bank for the superrich, Goldman-Sachs has reinvented itself overnight into an FDIC Bank. Kinda like GM quiting cars and canning anchovies instead.

WHY has G-S done this? It turns out Paulson has slipped a provision into his "450 page law" that will permit these institutions to operate with zero reserves. WOW. The people Paulson has bailed out to the tune of hundreds of billions secretly, at night and weekends, never paid a cent into FDIC,likenormal members are required to do.

20 economists have written Congress imploring that these bailouts are not a solution.

SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH IS ALIVE AND WELL. BUT THESE KINDS OF POLICIES WILL LEAD TO BIGGER DISASTERS, NOT SOLUTIONS.

On this one, I will blame neither and give credit to neither.

There are certain things that grows and take everyone by surprise: and this is one of those.

A lesson learnt.

The next President will preside over peace time and see the recovery of American economy. No more wars --- except for skirmishes with terrorists now and then.

Peace and Prosperity! God bless America!

Nutcase is a nutcase as usual,

Paulson hasn't "bailed out" anybody. Bear Stearns was taken out at $10 a share, AIG at zero, Lehman at zero, Freddie and Fannie at $2.50. If that's your idea of a bailout, let's not go boating together.

Also, you've confused a state-chartered bank, with a bank holding company. A BHC is allowed to access the Fed discount window, and accept deposits, but NOT to make loans in the same way banks are. Rookie mistake, there.

Are you an Obama voter? If so, feel free to direct your outrage at him. He voted for the damn thing.

And btw--the FDIC doesn't require banks to maintain a 10% reserves position of their net worth, but of their outstanding loan balances. Net worth is equity; for a bank, loans outstanding are assets. Rookie mistake again.

Take Econ 101, and come back when you're more educated. Regards.

We need to have this investigated and the folks who failed to prevent this should be fired.

Lots of dems will be fired then as they resisted oversight inot Fannie and Freddie --- Barney Franks, Maxine Waters, etc.

2004 session video in newsmax.com

The relevant interests have been bribed.

Bend over for ass fucking...


"g.e. next.
mark my words."

C'mon Nanc, stop skimming the early-morning headlines and then making "bold" predictions.

GE has been doing fairly shitty for years. Anyone who had half a brain should have sold by '01 as soon as it split into 3. Not to sound like a braggart, and I'm certainly no Wall Street genius, but I sold off to re-invest or cash in most of mine after I became a paper millionaire in summer of 2000 and bought an airplane, the going was THAT good. It was so ridiculously high at that time everyone knew they were riding the golden calf. I got off in time. Some of my middle-aged military buddies are still trying to ride it out hoping to recoup those huge profits that disappeared by '02. They didn't even heed advice last fall to sell and now here they are riding the flume yet again. Poor souls.

GE has done shit this year and now with the recent news of a gob of GE stock being bought by Berkshire/Hathaway of course some shit is going to hit the fan-- that sort of thing doesn't inspire confidence in ANYONE, who is the media trying to kid?????

If GE goes down and we will be surely in a major world of hurt.

GE - Boeing - United - Ford - and many other companies would fall.

At least Buffet is thinking about his country and nation, seems so few of these wall street guys do.

For all the bitching about this $700,000,000,000, why haven't the right as equally miffed at how Bush and the GOP Congress ballooned our national debt.

We paid close to $500,000,000,000 LAST YEAR servicing the national debt. What did we get for all that borrowing? You see new schools everywhere? Anything you can point to?

Bush and the GOP Congress presided over both the largest expansion of government in our history, and the largest deficits and national debt in our history.

What have we heard about that?

*crickets* (and a couple of "but, it's blah blah blah percentage of our GDP)

...the FDIC doesn't require banks to maintain a 10% reserves position of their net worth, but of their outstanding loan balances...

Take Econ 101, and come back when you're more educated. Regards.

#67 | Posted by rightisright

The reserve requirement applies to deposits. en.wikipedia.org

Guess you didn't do so well in Econ 101. Regards.

The reserve requirement applies to deposits.

Learned this in high school but I guess even his great college didn't teach him.

WASHINGTON - Now for the big do-over. House members get another chance to vote on a bill that many would like to avoid: a massive financial rescue plan that has infuriated millions of voters but is described by President Bush and congressional leaders as vital to keeping the economy from sliding into a deep recession.

These politicians just might be having second thoughts after seeing the front page showing

INFURIATED MILLIONS OF VOTERS

Oh boy are citizens of all political stripe pissed about the bill passing the senate.

Maybe this will get americans off their fat asses.

Fortunately, all these loans will be off the books when Basel II goes into effect. So you'll never really know the chicanery that was taking place in these criminal banking institutions.

The banks don't have money to lend.
Lending is slowing down.
People can't borrow.

So, the Gov't is going to bail them out?

The gov't doesn't have the money.
So, the gov't borrows the money to bail them out.
Where is the money coming from then?

Why don't the banks borrow the money from the same place the gov't plans to get the bailout money?

Why don't the banks borrow the money from the same place the gov't plans to get the bailout money?

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Ah, an intelligent question.

Answer: Because they are a bad credit risk.

Harry Reid's press conference last night after the bill passed with cowards from both sides of the aisle should have made everyone sick. It's nice they could have a bi-partisian love fest instead of listening to the American voters.

Answer: Because they are a bad credit risk.

#79 | Posted by Shawn

So, why should we give bad credit risk banks money? Isn't the plan - we expect them to pay it back?

"Should" is the operative word.

More like 'must'.

As in 'kneel' to your corporate masters serf bitches...

And for all you guys who promise to remember the 'YES' voters come November, most of you will be throwing the lever for Obama
posted by RightIsRight

I will remember the 'Yes' voters from the Senate and I'll remember the ones from the House when they vote tomorrow. None of them will ever get a vote from me regardless of whatever else they believe/say.

As for Obama he cast his vote and lost mine. Being as I live in a 'swing' state (PA) my vote should be important to him. McCain and Obama both failed the leadership test here. Being as both of these ass clowns are asking for the American people to listen to them...maybe they should return the favor every now and then. Especially when a staggering majority of people don't want something done.

and still the stock market is down.


and still the stock market is down.

#84 | Posted by truthhurts

Do you thinks it's from fear that Congress may not pass it?

I am so angry about this..

I have written to my Sheriff's office asking them to arrest my senator for treason by violating Article One Section 7 of the Unites States Constitution.

@#85 | Posted by wisgod

Do you thinks it's from fear that Congress may not pass it?

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More like fear that they will.. Remember the market started dropping BEFORE the vote on Monday and started to rise after the vote.

Just in case anyone cares,

U. S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 7:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Here's a chance for Congress to raise its approval rating:

Tell these theives to fuck off.

Sully/Zat, do you know what time they vote?

Whatever bailout package emerges will fail unless it takes into account the damage done by short selling. Short-selling permits short-sellers to profit by destroying the share prices of institutions suffering balance sheet problems, thus eliminating their ability to borrow and driving them into failure.

A bailout, however large, that maintains the mark-to-market rule and permits short-selling will pour money into a black hole.

Based on assumptions that do not allow for recession and, perhaps, the full amount of the wars' cost, the US budget deficit is estimated to be in excess of $400 billion. The $700 billion would also be near-term borrowing. This means a minimum of $1.1 trillion in new US borrowing over the course of the year, a sum that could cause foreign creditors to blink.

The bailout would gain credibility if the US budget and trade deficits were addressed as part of the bailout. The US government needs to choose between its financial system and its wars. As the wars serve no US interest except for those of a few powerful interest groups, the government should declare an immediate end to the wars, thus reducing the budget deficit by at least $200 billion annually.

Then there is the military budget, which at about $700 billion is larger than the combined military spending of the rest of the world combined. The only justification for such an enormous amount of military spending is a policy of US world hegemony, a policy that financial collapse makes nonsensical. The defense budget needs to be cut sufficiently to bring the US budget into balance or, better still a $100 billion surplus.

Over the last 20 years the US has made a collection of serious mistakes that may yet prove fatal. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US government launched a policy of world hegemony for which it lacked the means. The US government permitted much of its manufacturing base to be located offshore to the point of even being dependent on imports for its military capability.

The US government deregulated the financial sector and permitted the rise of new highly leveraged financial instruments whose failures currently threaten the US with economic collapse.

Economist Herman E. Daly points out that the current crisis is really one of the "overgrowth of financial assets relative to growth of real wealth." Daly believes that "financial assets have grown by a large multiple of the real economy" and that "paper exchanging for paper is now 20 times greater than exchanges of paper for real commodities." Exploding debt liens have simply outgrown the wealth.

Historically, debt that cannot be redeemed has been repealed by inflation. The same inflation that wipes out debt will wipe out savings.

A failed bailout is the worst possible outcome. The chance of failure rises if the US government tries to turn bad private debt into good public debt without regard to the expansion of the public debt.

Excerpted from Paul Craig Roberts @ Counterpunch

@#91 | Posted by nutcase

No they stopped short selling, they made it illegal. However one SHOULD be able to do it, there is no reason in a free market that you should not be able to do that.

This also breaks the contract clause of the Constitution (if anyone.. anywhere.. on earth.. cares about that old thing.)

"The crisis is reverberating through the global economy, causing stocks to plunge and forcing European governments to rescue four banks over the past two days alone." (Bloomberg)

The Fed has already brushed aside Congress's "No" vote and pumped $600-700 billion money into international markets; and look what happened.

Nothing!

Why haven't investors and foreign banks that bought hundreds of billions of dollars of worthless mortgage-backed securities (MBS) from US investment banks taken legal action against these same banks or initiated a boycott of US financial products to prevent more rip-offs?

It's because Henry Paulson and Co. are secretly working out a deal to dump the whole trillion dollar mess on the US taxpayer. That's what this whole $700 billion boondoggle is all about; wiping out the massive debts that were generated in the biggest incident of fraud in history. Rep Brad Sherman explained it Wednesday night to Larry Kudlow:

"The bill is very clear. Assets now held in China and London can be sold to US entities on Monday and then sold to the Treasury on Tuesday. Hundreds of billions of dollars are going to bail out foreign investors. They know it, they demanded it and the bill has been carefully written to make sure it can happen."

So, why hasn't the Treasury Secretary explained the real purpose of the bailout to the American people? Could it be that he knows that his $700 billion bailout will collapse?

This is a terrible bill, and it confers absolute authority on one of the central players in the scandal, Henry Paulson, who was the Chairman of Goldman Sachs at the time this MBS garbage was being peddled around the world to unsuspecting investors. Paulson will be in a position to buy up any "troubled asset" he that he believes could pose a threat to "financial market stability". Paulson intends to use his unchecked powers to wipe the civil liabilities of Goldman Sachs and giant Wall Street investment banks clean.

The government's proposed $700 billion rescue plan for financial institution, being voted on Monday by the House of Representatives, will prove of added benefit to Citi, which plans to use an exception for mergers and buyouts to dump the toxic mortgages and other assets it gained from Wachovia for a higher price than the bank actually paid for them.

Citi not only gets an army of depositors (the cheapest capital available!) but, at the same time, is going to be able to dump its mortgage-backed junk on the taxpayer? And, guess what? The JP Morgan deal is nearly identical.

Does anyone want to wager that G-Sax will also get a privileged spot at the public trough sucking up billions of taxpayer dollars to patch together its tattered balance sheet?

excerpted from Mike Whitney @ Counterpunch

@#94 | Posted by nutcase

We know its bad.. I mean what do you want to do about it? I've been writing so called representatives every day for a week.

If 80+% of the people are against it, what the hell kind of recourse can we take against these politicians?

Bailouts have not worked since 1987 and will continue to fail. We the people in the form of government need to reassert ourselves if democracy is to survive. People need to rule, not money!

Washington needs to collar Wall Street, not further indulge it.

The government should do everything in its power to control and preferably outlaw derivative securities. Derivatives are securities whose value derives from another security and require a minimal amount of money down to buy. They are a financial innovation of the last 30 years that have been behind every financial crisis and bailout of the past few decades from the 1987 stock market crash (stock index futures), to Long Term Capital Management in 1998 (interest rate derivatives) to our current $700 billion buyout of banks precipitated by their purchases of toxic derivatives (credit/sub prime/mortgage derivatives). Derivatives give speculators enormous power and leverage that they used to attack the British pound in 1992, to attack the Asian currencies during the Asian contagion in 1997/98 and recently to push the price of oil higher. If it were not for derivatives that allow for speculation in oil and basic foodstuffs the price of food and oil would be much, much lower. Remember, it was margin buying (leverage) that led to the stock market crash of 1929 and margin buying was a precursor to modern derivatives (leverage).

Former Reserve Chairman Greenspan remarked four years ago how America's ability to run deficits had gone well beyond historical norms. We have not been forced to pay the piper yet because foreign governments continue to "push" money into the US to maintain growth of their economies at our expense.

This massive inflow of capital (dollar purchases) over the last two decades has not caused a surge in our economic growth which has chugged along at only a modest rate. It has led to a host of speculative bubbles beginning with the 1987 stock market bubble and the innumerable crashes and ensuing bailouts that followed. It has also led to a borrowing binge by US consumers who are now saddled with massive debt($2.6trl.). In other words, all this money flowing into the US has not led to a commensurate surge in US growth but has significantly deteriorated our country's and citizen's balance sheet and made us vulnerable. Within a few decades we have gone from being the world's largest creditor to being its largest debtor.

The long term consequence of letting a country continue to "push" money into a host country can be devastating.

excerpted from Madis Senner @ Counterpunch

Writing, calling and possibly protest marching is all we can do.

Take comfort in the fact that it worked once and do it again.

The Senate only gets elected once every 6 years. They are not responsive.

But the entire House is up again this November and they are paying attention to us.

NUTCASE

If there's one GOP Senator I'd love to see get sent back home it's Mitch McConnell of KY.

That guy sounds like Ben Stein on Quaalude's. Also, he reeks bullshitter. LOL

This has also been posted on www.gotoguy.com Has this been reported anywhere other than on message boards?

Now that is 2 time for 11811 for a shit ass post.

Get off you hiding silly name and show your true colors, what is your regular posting name?

"Now that is 2 time for 11811 for a shit ass post."

Good eye, Money. New troll on board.

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