Hell-that's the only side we ever see.

McCAIN: I ROUTINELY TURN TO PALIN FOR FOREIGN POLICY ADVICE
thinkprogress.org

Well, that explains it.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Yer right-that does explain it.
What it doesn't explain-is how this man got that stupid.....he USED to be reasonably intelligent...must be all that neo-con jizz he had to swallow fer a shot at the Oval Orifice......

Nobody, including his colleagues, think much of him. Angry and devoid of charm. Nobody likes the guy. He's a pain in the ass.

What "elitist" Libs really think of "working people"

McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.

he USED to be reasonably intelligent

Senility.

Lying.

Saying whatever he is told to say by the people who allowed him to run for president now.

Yes, that's right. Allowed.

His campaign was near death, and it was miraculously revived.

Was that because he was "owed" a shot for what happened in 2000?

Was it because he through all of his previous positions under the bus to embrace the neocon policies of Karl Rove?

Was it because the right felt that it had no chance to beat Obama and if they were gonna burn a candidate in a useless cause it might as well be John?

You can see the desperation creeping into his campaign. His campaign is in a free fall right now and he does not know how to fix it.

HILLBILLYJIHAD you would never find a thing like that around the right wing....they don't want to educate the idiots they just want to keep you stupid.

how can anybody get mad at someone from Des Moines? He should be kissing these folks asses.

Seems when this video was origianlly posted, Someone didn't like it and had it pulled, Seems Time Warner (CNN) had a problem with it and had it yanked..But the truth is hard to hide

original link

"When it was suggested that Palin's lack of experience worried voters, McCain turned sarcastic.

"Really? I haven't detected that in the polls, I haven't detected that among the base,""

- That explains it all. That's what happened to McCain. Somewhere along the line he packed up his stuff and moved to planet GW Bush where everything is wonderful all the time.... lalalalalala...

His answer to the editorial board the other day about his life long government provided health care was...uh...interesting in it's non answer status.

I am well Educated

Obama, Did nothing in Chicago
obama, Did nothing in Illinois State Senate
Obama, Did nothing in Senate

And now he will be the savior of the weak, lazy and jealous

Democratic Mantar..."GIMME, GIMME, GIMME,

And now he will be the savior of the weak, lazy and jealous

You referring to Bush's corporate fat cats who've given a whole new meaning to 'welfare' and taken taking government money to a whole 'nother level.

"You referring to Bush's corporate fat cats who've given a whole new meaning to 'welfare' and taken taking government money to a whole 'nother level."

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The same ones the democrats have been voting (with Bush) to give more money to?

Mantar

on your face?

"I am well Educated"

I know you are, don't take things too seriously.
With the election coming up you righties need to get a good sense of humor, you're really going to need it.

You referring to Bush's corporate fat cats who've given a whole new meaning to 'welfare' and taken taking government money to a whole 'nother level.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-10-02 03:50 PM

Unlike the Dem leaders in both Houses of Congress?

I am well Educated

Except for punctuation and capitalization.

Can we buy a period?

With the election coming up you righties need to get a good sense of humor, you're really going to need it.

Like 2000 and 2004? Maybe you should wait until you actually win before opening your partisan yap. You seem top forget who the real idiots are come election time and what State they reside in. Ironic you live in said State.

I am well Educated

Yes, it shows/snark>

..."GIMME, GIMME, GIMME

Wots the rethug mantar(sic)?

Why are rethugs so invested in voting against their own economic self interest?

Why are they so quick to lick the boots of the people who are kicking them and their families and neighbours and country in the collective ass?

Oh right, cos they are propagandised sheeple who's ability to think fer themselves has long since atrophied due to disuse.

Spud fergot fer a second.

On Topic?

So... the real Yawn McLame rage-o-holic is coming to the fore?

McNasty is back. The return of the "Punk"

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!!

This guy is such an asshole and has been one fer so long that even his fellow rethugs can't stand the guy.

His wimpy-voiced "my friends" persona is a deliberate attempt to distract from this long established fact.

McCain is LOSING in Iowa and that is why he is so angry!! He was talking to some union guys and said they would not want to pick lettuce at $50 an hour! He thinks you can make $50 and hour picking lettuce??? The ENTIRE crowd booed him! Don't knock the midwest work ethic, it will come and bite your ass!!!!

"I am well Educated..."

Compared to whom, Billy? You did Harvard? Maybe just Yale ...

"Obama, Did nothing in Chicago
"obama, Did nothing in Illinois State Senate
"Obama, Did nothing in Senate."

OMG. Joe Goebbels lives! This is The Big Lie of GASP! proportions.

"And now he will be the savior of the weak, lazy and jealous
Democratic Mantar..."GIMME, GIMME, GIMME,"

Still trying to figure this one out. You mean Mentor? Who are these weak, lazy and jealous folks, and why do they need a mentor? herm

Oh right, cos they are propagandised sheeple who's ability to think fer themselves has long since atrophied due to disuse.

Or they work hard and don't depend on Government hand outs. Which is why the dems hate the repubs so much. Of course if they ever walk in the shoes of a republican, they usually remain republican.

726

I agree with you on McCain.

My wife and I were talking about him a few years ago and we both said we'd probably vote for him if he ran again. Of course, George Hoover Walker Bush was beginning to become apparently mindless and anyone else looked better. But even back then McCain was still the McCain of old. Something happened to him. Probably the effects of aging. Mix in some long repressed anger at Bush and Co smearing him out of the 2000 race, getting whipped by a 47 year old half black guy, and you might have the ingredients for an explosive mix.

Kind of sad to see really. He seemed like an alright politician for a long time.

Well, the liberal attacks keep coming and this question too was from a liberal in the area. So McCain did what he had to do. Fine!

What McCain need to be reminded is that he is going to be the 44th President and should go about business with a quiet confidence.

Don't knock the midwest work ethic, it will come and bite your ass!!!!

Strewth! Good story.

McLame is a silver spoon bastard who doesn't have the first clue how average people live.

It shows every time he opens his ancient decrepit cakehole.

Be Well.

Who are these weak, lazy and jealous folks, and why do they need a mentor? herm

Maybe you don't realize you are a democrat.

Well.

Again, Look at the link above and perhaps you will see where all this started..But that would not fit your Ideology. If Obama does get elected, I can always hunt Jack-rabbits to eat..You metrosexuals in your cities will be killing each other over a saltine. Hell The cities run by dems already look like a scene from "Escape from New York"....How about Detroit, what a wonderful job Granholm is doing...LOL

How about Detroit, what a wonderful job Granholm is doing...LOL

Los Angeles, Philadelphia... Pick any major city run by dems. Notice the crime, poverty and drop out rates.

Or they work hard and don't depend on Government hand outs.

Bullshit.

Spud calls shenanigans on yer crap.

Many rethugs are folks who were born on third base and spend their lives acting like they hit a triple.

The WaMu executive who worked 17 days and earned 20 million dollars fer it was obviously a rethug.

Was that the kinda hard work yer talking about?

Was that "earning" it?

Dems work harder than rethugs as a rule.

Some work more than one job in order to try and get ahead and support their families.

Yer inability to see this or to feel compassion fer yer countrymen who are the ones being most affected by the rampant corruption and greed that has been legitimised by BushCo over the last 8 years is staggering.

Yer brainless, heartless AND gutless.

Good luck with that in November.

G08ama!

Be Well.

Los Angeles, Philadelphia... Pick any major city run by dems. Notice the crime, poverty and drop out rates.

#32 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-10-02 04:07 PM |

nice deflection, skippy

CRISPEE

Speaking for myself, I don't hate Republicans. There are many I admire a lot.

It's the neocons and their crazy Pinky and The Brain plots to rule the world that turned me off in combination with the GOP getting in bed with intolerant evangelists, and just plain turning into asshole power mongers once they got power.

Spector, Hagel, John Warner, these are Republicans I respect. The tactics of the GOP Congress were down right unAmerican to me. Massive giveaways in no bid contracts while making student loans more expensive, pointing fingers and calling others unAmerican for exercising their Free Speech against the Iraq War, pitting Americans against each other, disregarding long held American principles of us doing the right thing no matter what, making abortion THE test for SCOTUS appointments.

Stuff like that turned me against the GOP.

I hope they get their act together and banish the NeoCons and TV preachers from their ranks. You know, return to being the party of Lincoln.

Yer brainless, heartless AND gutless.

Maybe so Spud. But I bet I can whoop you on the links.

"I hope they get their act together and banish the NeoCons and TV preachers from their ranks. You know, return to being the party of Lincoln."

I'd be satisfied if they'd be the party of Eisenhower or Goldwater.

This is the link to see McCain offer $50 an hour to pick lettuce. Listen to the crowd boo!!!

Worth a click sez Spud.

McShameless is an asshole, plain and simple.

An out of touch, elitist asshole with shit-fer-brains.

The only people who can support this POS and his Fundy Ferraro are other assholes.

Be Well.

I was expecting him to do an incredible hulk routine. Irritable? Sarcastic? Pretty straight talk if you ask me.

Who asked you?

Los Angeles, Philadelphia... Pick any major city run by dems. Notice the crime, poverty and drop out rates.

#32 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-10-02 04:07 PM |

nice deflection, skippy

#34 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at 2008-10-02 04:09 PM

The deflection is your inability to refute the post Sparky.

He seemed like an alright politician for a long time.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You are right. When he first started this race, I told my wife to watch how he tore Bush a new sphincter. So, we were watching and of course she is like Rush Limppaw in our house, she says, sounds to me like he agrees with Bush all the time. Then she started questioning the lipz mental capacity.

I'm like, WTF? Is this the same McCain that made a name blasting the shit out of Bush all the time?

Of course it's too late now, but the old McCain would be ahead of Obama. Also, the Hillary we saw at the convention would have beat Obama had she conducted herself like a lady and not like a pirhana.

It seems the intelligence in a presidental race is about 99% directly related to who you pick as a campaign staff and how ell they advise you.

Obamas greatest personal strength is that he keeps his head while all around him people are going batshit crazy. The second greatest thing he has done is let everybody else shoot themselves in the foot first and then he walks right on by unharmed.

Very presidential.

Unlike the Dem leaders in both Houses of Congress?

#19 | Posted by crispee_oc

Yes. The GOP is the party of corporate welfare and giveaways, and the DEMS are the only ones who stick up for Average Joe.

I am coming to a realization that liberals are some of the most hypocritical and means-pirited people in America.

They loathe Reagan --- and Reagan stuck it to their ugly nose. heheheh....

They loathe Bush --- and Bush treated them like kids with no brain. ..hehehe

They loathe Sarah --- and they are playing into her hands.

Yes. The GOP is the party of corporate welfare and giveaways, and the DEMS are the only ones who stick up for Average Joe.

So Rangel, Frank, Pelosi,Richardson, Jefferson, Dodd, Schumer and another 30-40 dems all caught red handed don't count?

I'd be satisfied if they'd be the party of Eisenhower or Goldwater.

You mean actual Republicans? I agree.

"Yes. The GOP is the party of corporate welfare and giveaways, and the DEMS are the only ones who stick up for Average Joe."

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

If by "Average Joe" you mean "rich CEOs of failed banks," then I agree with you!

I just read an article where McCain has given up on Michigan,has pulled his staff and ads and cancelled all campaigning there. That is too bad

Now, I hope all you M****** F****** auto workers lose your jobs and all 3 of those bloated money pits called the big three auto makers go bank rupt, that way we can finally get rid of all you fat F*** autoworkers whing about not making 50 dollars an hour plus benefits to put a F******G dashboard in.

You F**** ruined the US auto industry and Michigan,, you greedy, self centered uneducated morons..And then you've got the nerve to let your party call Sarah Palin "dumb" I hope you and your white trash families starve...

HILLBILLYJIHAD sounds just like John McBush.

McCain pulling out of Michigan

He must have watched the Ten Year War. ..

There ain't nothing good about the whole state of Michigan, I'm from Ohio.

Picture Woody Hayes leading the song.

DOCSARVIS -

I have been listening to local right wing talk radio out here in L.A. -- not Rush or Hannity -- but local talk radio hosts and they are saying they don't feel McCain actually wants to win. They went over a number of things he's doing wrong, his odd actions like canceling the debate, etc.

If they were Dem or partisan talk radio hosts I would figure it was all politics but not with these guys. For some reason, more and more Republicans are really taking a second look and wondering if McCain even wants the job.

Then I saw your article about McCain pulling out of Michigan. McCain has been very testy to a lot of people lately. Maybe he at first thought he'd want the Presidency but is now changing his mind?

What's your opinion? Do you think McCain might be having second thoughts about running?
Or could this have been a set-up all along to where McCain will back out of the campaign at the last minute and then somebody waiting in the wings will rush in to "save the Republicans' chances for the White House>? That this move might have been in the plans all along? A lot of people on the right are very puzzled.

That is right!!

I hate people that want something for nothing, that whine about how bad they have it..too Bad they have never been somewhere like Bosnia, Somalia, Sudan, Phillipines..Then tell me how bad you got it.

Whiny, Auto workers, who get paid to sit around and eat Ho-Ho's and put together parts that are actaully made somewhere else, Or you metrosexuals who get a flat and call someone to come fix it. This financial mess has more to do with DEMS trying to protect a place where they all go to get rich, than anything else .

SO Yeah, I am McBush and you people are in for a world of hurt with this Obama guy, so nothing about Ayres, Or Wright or That he took money from Fannie Mae or took almost 400,000 from Time Warner, or any of that bothers you?

How about that he voted present in the Illinois State senate on all the hard votes..None of that bothers you?

Like I said, I can hunt for food and fortunantely, bein a hillbilly I can even put together a humble cabin..But you wine and brie eating metrosexuals will be crying for help...I am kinda looking forward to it

well I guess its apropos that McCain picked Palin to be his running mate cause the Repubs are going to be in the wasteland for quite a few years.

LEE

Ya. Actual Republicans.

If Dwight Eisenhower were in this race I'd have his bumper sticker on my car right now. Goldwater might have been considered a right winger in his time, but he respected the Constitution wholeheartedly and would have thrown the wedge issue lunatics and moneychangers out on the street in front of RNC headquarters at 1st and D SE.

AU,

For once we are in agreement - an Eisenhower or Goldwater reincarnate is EXACTLY what this country needs right now.

"There ain't nothing good about the whole state of Michigan, I'm from Ohio."

I'm sure they'll pass Sharia law up there soon and rename the state Michiganistan.

Au,

The big question is:

Would you prefer either Ike or Goldwater to Obama?

Or could this have been a set-up all along to where McCain will back out of the campaign at the last minute and then somebody waiting in the wings will rush in to "save the Republicans' chances for the White House>?

God only knows why Bush kept Cheney instead of telling him to step down for medical reasons. This would have given the repubs plenty of time to select a new VP and have an incumbent run. The only problem was nobody seemed to step up. Or the pool was very limited. Who knows.

you cut all the bullshit aside Obama's biggest hurdle to overcome is the question in main stream america as to whether he is up for the job or not-can he be presidential.

and like it or not, except for us news and politics junkies, the majority of americans get to know him over the next month, from the 1st debate to Nov 4, ok perhaps from the DNC.

all Obama has to do is look calm, rational, confident and he will win. He has to show those americans who dont know him that he CAN do the job, that he has the capabilities to do it.

That is why we have seen the huge increase for Obama in the past week.

he passed the 1st test, the first debate. he showed americans that is presidential.

the rest is really just window decorations.

I'm sure they'll pass Sharia law up there soon and rename the state Michiganistan.

#58 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-10-02 04:40 PM |

Don't they already cater to muslims via school prayer? Or washing facilities at airports?

"Any man who wants to be president is either an egomaniac or crazy."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Don't join the book burners. Do not think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have."
Barry Goldwater

"Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism"
Barry Goldwater

"I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass."
Barry Goldwater

Goldwater gets my vote.

CALIFCHRIS -

"Do you think McCain might be having second thoughts about running?"

I have no difficulty imagining he's having second thoughts about getting ass-kicked all around the electoral map. I mean, he did exactly what the Rovians told him to do---odd, considering how they maligned him when he ran against Bush---and it's turning to ashes before his eyes.

"Or could this have been a set-up all along to where McCain will back out of the campaign at the last minute and then somebody waiting in the wings will rush in to "save the Republicans' chances for the White House>?"

Too late.

"That this move might have been in the plans all along? A lot of people on the right are very puzzled."

I'll be they are. I'm not on the right---sooprise!---but I'm puzzled, too I mean, McCain doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on with his campaign---if you can call if that---and no idea how to fix it. His testiness seems to me to be an outward manifestation of inner turmoil.

If he thought he could get away with it---and he can't---he'd be dumping Sarah Palin over the side about now, yammering how she's demonstrating good 'ol "Country First" spirit for the sake of the Republic.

He'll probably try the Ayres, Wright lobs but I'd be surprised if anyone not already in the tank buys it.

In the words of old James "Snake Eyes" Carville: "It's the economy, stupid." The economy is not an issue McCain has a chance in hell of turning his way. Think back on his erratic behavior coming up to the first vote: on-off-on campaign, wanting to postpone the debate, then not wanting ot postpone the debate, saying he'd clinched a deal and then watching it go down in a fireball in the House. Sheesh.

How would you feel if you'd been in Congress for over a quarter-century and Barack Obama was standing in the way of your last chance for the brass ring?

What think you, Chris?

LIP

It's gonna take a calm, intelligent, steady hand like Obama to get the bus out of the ditch and point it in the right direction.

"No one should ever sit in this office over 70 years old, and that I know."

Dwight David Eisenhower

"No one should ever sit in this office over 70 years old, and that I know."

Dwight David Eisenhower

Posted by LeeAtwater

Needed repeating.

Who asked you?

#40 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

I guess then you consider this a meltdown on his part? Holy fucking pansies batman...get a grip. Now THIS is a meltdown, actually a series of meltdowns by none other than the big 0:

Crispee,

They Kow-towed to the US Mecca - Dearborn.

We now have $20k worth of foot-baths at U of M Dearborn.

Oh, and we also have loud-speaker calls to prayer in Hamtramck exempt from noise violation laws.

However, a nativity scene in Kellog Park in Plymouth in the month of December would incite the ire of the ACLU.

We live in interesting times.

"Extremism, in the defense of liberty, is no vice."

Barry Goldwater

Jest,

Fuck Jim Tressel!!!

Jeff,
Yet one wonders why thugs rob and beat up their own elderly citizens in Detroit. In broad daylight with 5 witnesses doing nothing.

Lee,

I am a Goldwater fan.

What I find so funny is that Libs, all-of-a-sudden find him so palatable when he was castigated to a Bork-degree back when he ran.

Selective memory, I guess.

I think it has something to do with knowing conflict, or the military housing, but I am not sure.

Now THIS is a meltdown, actually a series of meltdowns by none other than the big 0:

www.youtube.com

#69 | Posted by panchovilla at 2008-10-02 04:46 PM | Reply |

That clip actually made me like Bill O.

Looks like the wheels are coming off the clown car. I love to see rightoids blowing a gasket here about Michigan. Two percent of the population is Muslim and Jestpokingaround acts as if they're running people through Sharia courts, issuing fatwas, stoning gays, congratulating each other for a wave of honor killings, shouting bin Laden's praises, cutting the hands off thieves, and getting their licks in for the sack of Jerusalem. The paranoid style in Amerian politics on show.

LEE

It's amazing Eisenhower got America through the pre 'mutually assured destruction' era of the Cold War.

Have you ever read his, "I will go to Korea" speech? Today, half the posters on this site would be calling him a 'defeatocrat' and 'terrorist hugger'. No one will try to avoid costly war more than a man who's participated in a bloody one.

His speech about the looming threat of the 'military-industrial complex' was prescient. We now live under it's foot.

I've read a lot about him. Amazing guy who should forever be the example of what a modern day Republican should strive in earnest to be. Perhaps the collapse of the Newt style GOP will lead to something better again. I hope so.

Doc,
A simple link to refute the posts should be easy for you to produce. Instead you take the lazy way out and rip the messenger.

It's amazing Eisenhower got America through the pre 'mutually assured destruction' era of the Cold War.

You mean by losing the race to space against the Soviets?

The maps - of course I mean the state-by-state electoral maps, are gorgeous. It's 338-185 Obama today, and will be at least 37 better for the good guys after Sarah struts tonight. Counting Indiana, Missouri and North Carolina, then, makes it 375-148 Obama. That's enough ... and I still expect West Virginia. Let's leave the red idiots to twist in their own ill wind and start planning how to extricate ourselves from the bushian mess. herm

JEFFJ

People in Goldwater's time were concerned he meant to go to war with the Soviet Union. His rhetoric about them was red hot.

Crisp,

Yet one wonders why thugs rob and beat up their own elderly citizens in Detroit. In broad daylight with 5 witnesses doing nothing.

Detroit is a horribly mis-managed city. My initial reaction is to bash the Democrats, as they have ALWAYS run the city. Having said that, Dennis Archer (D) was a solid and honorable mayor.

He reached out to affluent whitey, which enraged the Jackson/Sharpton racist crew - and ultimately sealed his receieved consternation.

Detroit will be forever fucked-up because her racist black citizens refuse to vote based upon merit and ability. They hated a moderate liberal who was Dennis Archer.
As much as I love Detroit - I spend a lot of time and money in the city - I practically weep at its self-destructive governance.

It's a dying city. Archer and some others bought it time with a serious infusion of cash. However, it will implode - the cash-areas will become protected oasises whilst the neighborhoods will be increasingly become war-zones.

The citizens of Detroit are their own worst enemies.

The citizens of Detroit are their own worst enemies.

Jeff,
I have only been there a couple of times. I never got into the downtown area. I played some of the best golf courses and couldn't believe the prices and that they were not private. I was also spoiled by some incredible fishing. Like I said I never really saw the scum and filth.

CRISPEE

Eisenhower knew the Soviets were planning on launching a satellite. Behind the scenes, of course, the military was conducting secret tests of missiles as weaponry. He was hoping to prevent space from being militarized.

After Sputnik was launched, Eisenhower ensured that our space program would remain in civilian hands rather than under the military.

I laughed when I saw the interview of the scientist who had our first orbital satellite in the trunk of his car in the days before it's launch. There was a real power struggle taking place between the military and civilians in most areas of rocket and satellite development. Lots of funny stories from that era on how the civilians kept their progress under the radar, so to speak.

Crisp,

As a water-laden, golf-course friendly state, your observations are par-for-the-course.

Michigan is an under-rated state. I'd happily put the natural beauty that exists in the northern portion of the lower peninsula up against just about any other state.

Michigan has more golf courses than any other state and Michigan has more registered boaters than any other state. Kinda remarkable given how long and harsh our winters are!

Detroit is a mixed bag. I love the city and patronize it often. I attend several Tigers and Red Wings games every year and make a point of dining and drinking in Detroit before and after said games. I also find myself going to Detroit at least a half-dozen other times throughout the year.

The business sections of the city are solid. The neighborhoods suck ass.

Crisp,

Detroit has some great oasises in its downtown area.

With a modicum of guidance, a great time can always be had in Detroit.

After Sputnik was launched, Eisenhower ensured that our space program would remain in civilian hands rather than under the military.

You forget Eisnehower used the space program as a guise for his real intentions of the satellite. To spy on the Russians. The civilian use was used at a conference to hide the military intentions. He did in fact have issues with the legality of using the satellite.

DOC

It's the economy, stupid." The economy is not an issue McCain has a chance in hell of turning his way.

What think you, Chris?

I think McCain's having second -- and third, and forth -- thoughts.

McCain doesn't like to lose. He's pretty much gotten everything he's wanted since he was born as he was so well militarily-connected and I think with this economy downturn he's seeing the writing on the wall. He will not win.

You're right. It's now boiled down to a case of "It's the economy, stupid!"

Even though Obama has now in the last couple of days -- to me anyway -- blown much of his credibility because he's pushing for the $700 billion bailout scheme which makes Obama him no different than the rest of those corporate thieves, Obama still looks better to the majority of the American public when it comes to the economy.

You have millions of baby boomers (those who were born from 1946-1964) now looking at their 401ks in the dumpster and you've got McBush STILL running around the country wanting to privatize Social Security which might now end of being these boomers' main source of retirement income after the money losses many have and will suffer.

In Bushspeak "privatize" means turning retirees' (and soon to be retirees) SS money over to Wall Street and to hopefully destroy the SS program entirely. Getting rid of SS now when millions of workers are seeing their 401k money cut down 50% due to the mess on Wall Street is not a smart idea to be pushing at the present time but McCain just doesn't "get it."

Plus, in this economic mess of the last two months people are getting wise real fast to the Republican hard core belief in globalism and free trade (which to them means trade free from all rules and regulations) and their continuing demand to keep deregulation rules in place -- the same policy which got us in this mess. There were plenty of Democrats making money hand over fist too but NOTHING like the corruption and fraud that took place for 8 years under Bush.

When you look at who McCain picked as his financial advisor for his campaign -- Republican Senator Phil Gramm -- the guy who let the banks get away with this crap via the bill he got passed back in 2001, and McCain having only recently bragged "I'm a deregulator guy" -- can you blame anyone for not wanting McCain in charge of anything -- especially when it comes to their pocketbooks.

"For once we are in agreement - an Eisenhower or Goldwater reincarnate is EXACTLY what this country needs right now."

There are people out there right now like Eisenhower and Goldwater but they are attacked by the right wing talkers and rejected by their own party. The "maverick" John McCain was as close as many but even he had to reverse his opinions on key right wing issues to get the nomination and support of the extreme right wing. A principled conservative REpublican who viewed national defense from a realistic perspective instead of the perspective of defense contractors could never rise above Congressman or if real luck Senator. If you want principled Republicans to vote for in the future you need to first destroy Rush, SEan Hannity, and the whole right wing talk machine, you need to tell religious conservatives they can't dictate all social views of the party, and you need to help bring the neocons to justice. The REpublican Party will have to expel the traitorous scum and the religious fanatics before they will be taken seriously again I think.

DANNI

Exactly

Excellently put, Danni.

gee i hate the rich bastards making over $65,000 a year,so lets put a hurting on them to.

DANNI, the flip side of that is you need to get rid of the MSM if you want a TRUE democrat.

In truth, the system as designed is genius - the problem is the players. Get rid of Pork and lobbies/special interests. Get a viable 3rd party and have a "free market" election.

This old duffer should be playing golf in Sun City, AZ not running for president.

He just doesn't have the "right stuff" anymore.

I don't care if he was a POW 30 years ago. That is admirable--but irrelevant.

"...you need to get rid of the MSM if you want a TRUE democrat."

As usual, The Cid lis a bit ambiguous. Does he mean democracy, not democrat? And this MSM he'd get rid of: he'd abolish our time-honored corporate-owned free press entirely, or only papers that don't suck on the Republican teat?

"In truth, the system as designed is genius - the problem is the players. Get rid of Pork and lobbies/special interests. Get a viable 3rd party and have a 'free market' election."

Like Herman Wouk's discovery of a navy designed by geniuses to be run by idiots. Our system - at best - lets us vote AGAINST the worst evil. A third party would guarantee the worst evil's success. A "free market" anything? Didn't that quaint system get us where we are now? herm

"What's your opinion? Do you think McCain might be having second thoughts about running?
Or could this have been a set-up all along to where McCain will back out of the campaign at the last minute and then somebody waiting in the wings will rush in to "save the Republicans' chances for the White House>? That this move might have been in the plans all along? A lot of people on the right are very puzzled."

califchris:

Interesting question, and here's my take on it:

I think McThusaleh used to want the job, but I honestly don't think he does any more. Here's why - I think the mess our next Prez will inherit will have the Goof Off Party's name all over it. I think there will be investigations, and indictments, and God knows what all else. Governing is going to be an absolute bitch for anyone under those circumstances, but it would be particularly hard for a Republican Prez, even if investigations did not lead in any directions pointing to McThusaleh. The Goof Off Party is pretty toxic now, and it's going to get a lot more so over the next few months, as Americans discover more about how badly DubyaCo has sold them down the river. I wouldn't want to preside over a nation that just had its eyes opened to my party's malfeasances either.

We'll see. But I think I'm right - there's just too much dirty stuff going on right now, and the potential for ending up in extreme disgrace is fairly high for a Republican Prez.

#32

Spud,

I can't understand your problem with the Exec at WaMu.
The guy negotiated a contract, apparently in good faith, to take over a troubled company.
Three weeks later the company is taken away from him. It certainly did not fail due to any errors on his part.

I don't beleive that the amounts involved were what they should have been but they were normal for the market in which they were involved.

McCain: "I ROUTINELY TURN TO PALIN FOR FOREIGN POLICY ADVICE."

Now he's lying about his lying!
Good grief, how desperate the once-admirable man has become.

"...What McCain need to be reminded is that he is going to be the 44th President and should go about business with a quiet confidence... Posted by takitez"

Time to up your dosage, moron. Denial is not just a river.

The Bright Side: After McCain loses in a landside, you'll still have Bill Clinton to blame for this loss.

CALIFCHRIS -

#88 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-10-02 05:48 PM

Exactamente.

This week, 28 million copies of a right-wing, terror propaganda DVD are being mailed and bundled in newspaper deliveries to voters in swing states. The 60-minute DVDs, titled Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West, are landing on doorsteps in a campaign coinciding with the 7th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Funding is coming from a New York-based group called the Clarion Fund, a shadowy outfit whose financial backers are unclear.

see article here :

Michigan has more golf courses than any other state
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You sure about that? I thought Florida was #1--that's what a lot of their advertising says.

pre-senile dementia.

"McCain Irritable, Sarcastic in Interview"

Now, my friends, my dear friends, hey, c'mon.
We each have good days and bad days, right?
But look at the big picture.
I have so much foreign policy experience that Palin pales in comparision.
Why, I once fucked a Brazilian.
~John "They're Gone But They Used To Be Made Of Brass" McCain

PS:

My question for Mr angry is what the fuck is that growth on the side of your face? Why does it seem to be growing?

"She's a somewhat older woman now than she was then, but it sorta speaks to the long experience he has had in the region -- in the most positive terms.''

Giggle! Somewhat!!!! Tell me that it's not comedy of the highest order to turn screwing a Brazilian lady of the night half a century ago into 'experience' in Latin American affairs. herm

"I ROUTINELY TURN TO PALIN FOR FOREIGN POLICY ADVICE."

Whenever Brazilian joy girls of my generation are otherwise busy. herm

McCain stares at Palin and twists his wedding ring and this is very noticable, what he's really trying to do is remember what do with her! (can't recall the sex thing!)

John McCain is a fucking asshole.

Fuck his claims of service to this country.

irritable AND sarcastic...hmmmmm...sounds much like the soup du jour here!