Do you think that the people living want the Taliban living there anymore?

This is an outrage! How naive! I've been to pakistan and I know all there is to know about pakistn, as well as New Zeeland, on pakistan's border!

John McCadaver

This is an outrage and the right move! I've bought crap at a pakistani run quikki-mart so I'm ready to lead! John bought me candy after our interview and let me sit in the front seat of the limo! He's like my daddy, except when he's like my creepy Uncle Bob.

Saint sarah

"Do you think that the people living want the Taliban living there anymore?"

Yes. That is why the Taliban is still there.

I'm surprised McCain made such a big deal about cross-border raids on Pakistan to kill Al Qaeda targets. It seems like a loser for him -- Americans aren't opposed to hitting terrorist targets, regardless of where they are. They'd probably be OK with an air strike on Omaha, Nebraska, if somebody told them a terrorist was there.

I'm surprised McCain made such a big deal about cross-border raids on Pakistan to kill Al Qaeda targets. It seems like a loser for him -- Americans aren't opposed to hitting terrorist targets, regardless of where they are. They'd probably be OK with an air strike on Omaha, Nebraska, if somebody told them a terrorist was there.

#4 | Posted by rcade at 2008-10-01 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag

What really makes it strange is that he was defending the practice 3 or so years ago. He said unfortunately civilian casualties happen, but that's not going to stop us from conducting operations in Pakistan to get the bad guys.

As I mentioned yesterday, and somebody added to, he's either senile, changed positions again, decided speaking about it in public is taboo, or all 3.

Rcade,

The opposition isn't to the strategy itself.

The problem lies in the fact that Obama embarassed a tenuous ally by vocalizing that he'd give the proverbial finger to their sovereignty. It's one thing to do it without permission and allow said ally to get indignant and save face. It's quite another to say 'Fuck-you' to an ally without giving them a face-saving out.

It's clearly a demonstration of Obama's naivete and simply proves that he 'doesn't get it'.

Tough-talk has its place. However, an experienced leader knows when and where to apply it.

McCain gets it.

Obama doesn't.

all well and good there jeff

EXCEPT WE ARE DOING IT!

you dont think the Pakistanis are aware this is US POLICY!

that is quite naive of you

"The problem lies in the fact that Obama embarassed a tenuous ally by vocalizing that he'd give the proverbial finger to their sovereignty."

What do you think they are doing to us by hiding these fuckers for years while taking our money? That isn't a giant "Fuck You!" to us? They said they would take care of it themselves and it is now quite obvious that they've been lying the whole time.

At some point you have to reconcile their claims of friendship with their actions. It is quite obvious at this point that they are not willing to be our ally because Pakistanis will call for their heads if they acted like a true ally. Can't blame them for that but our actions need to reflect the reality of the situation: Pakistan does more to help our enemies than it does to help us.

We should have told them to fuck off years ago. I don't think anyone who considers Pakistan an ally "gets it".

How is it stupid JeffJ to declare either clean up the mess or We will. When the Country of Pakistan doesn't do everything in their power to rid itself of Al Qaeda and the Taliban (the ones who Supposedly attacked us on 9-11-01) and fails to. That is not naivity that is telling them either You do it or We will. You can not have a supposed ally harboring the ones who killed Your Countrymen. Obama most definitely gets it JeffJ. Obviously You don';t. Oh and You better bel,ieve we should declare to at least the head of Pakistan if not their Military we are bombing in their Country. They have India next to them that has been feuding with them for a very long time. How would You like it if We said nothing and bombed inside of Pakistan and they send over bombs to India?? Ain't too bright now is it.

Larry

"It's clearly a demonstration of Obama's naivete and simply proves that he 'doesn't get it'."

On the contrary, it's a parade of hypocrisy. The same people who bitched Clinton didn't violate international laws when he "could have gotten" bin Laden are the same ones bitching now. If Obama says he isn't going in, then the Republicans scream he's not strong on terrorism. If he says he is, Republicans scream he's naive. It's all a political parlor game.

Kind of like having two commercials ready: one, if Obama visits the troops, complaining he's using the troops as a backdrop, and another if Obama doesn't visit the troops, complaining he snubbed them.

Jeff

why are you against killin OBL?

seriously.

This is the scenario.

Joe McCool is sitting on a mountain and in his binocs he spies a 6'5" guy pulling a portable dyalisis machine. wow America's Used to be Most Wanted.

He radios base, base radios command, command calls the Pentagon, Pentagon calls the WH, WH calls president of Pakistan

President Mccain/Obama or possibly Palin/Obama:"Mr. whatthefucki, we have OBL in our sights, do we have your permission to blast him to the stone age?"

President Mr. Whatthefucki (sounding alot like Apu): Sorry Mr. President, but my brother's wifes', cousins, falafal makers's, halfcousin's goat lives there. You do not have permission to kill him.

What do you want to happen?

President Obama or President Palin will say F' It kill him, easier to apologize than seek permission.

or president Mccain: "Osama bin who?" OH THAT RASCALLY RABBIT, oh wait, nope.

McCain gets it.

Obama doesn't

Wrong Jeff.

Pakistan's security service and parts of the military has been in bed with al queda and the taliban for decades, since the war against Russia in afghanistan. They are still using al queda to train kashmiri terrorists. When you tell pakistan what you're going to hit, you are cc-ing the target.

I suppose its wrong for Turkey to bomb terrorists inside Iraq without telling kurdistan first?

McCain gets it.

If by "gets it" you mean to continue to tell Pakistan that we will not strike inside their territory while telling them to ignore the gunships and missiles raining down on them from our forces, then yes he "gets it".

As I mentioned yesterday, and somebody added to, he's either senile, changed positions again, decided speaking about it in public is taboo, or all 3.

#5 | Posted by 101Chairborne

I think he is so used to being the 'new' McCain and changing all the positions that got him where he is now, that that issue in his brain worked like this.

Old McCain; I have a solid belief that we need to go into Pakistan if required.

so therefore;

New McCain; Obama thinks we need to go into pakistan if required, so i'm not for it.

Tough-talk has its place. However, an experienced leader knows when and where to apply it.

McCain gets it.
posted by JeffJ

Unfortunately Obama gets it as well. Being that he's a liberal he has this perception of being a pussy that just likes to hug & kiss everything in sight. So in order to attract some of those independents he has to talk a little tougher at times. Obama does get it.

There you have it Jeff, they both get it! They can both say different things but the end result will be the same either way...bombs over Pakistan.

"Do you think that the people living want the Taliban living there anymore?"

Yes. That is why the Taliban is still there.

#3 | Posted by Sully

Oh, ok. That's all I needed to know. Fuck 'em!!!

If they want to harbor the enemy, then fuck em!!!

you have a problem with that?

If they want to harbor the enemy, then fuck em!!!

you have a problem with that?

Mcsame does.

They'd probably be OK with an air strike on Omaha, Nebraska, if somebody told them a terrorist was there.

#4 | Posted by rcade

I'd say if "we" determined that if a house in Omaha was the home of a Taliban commander then you are right. The Taliban are our mortal enemies now. However, I believe most Americans are waking up to the fact that just because you disagree with American foreign policy or the US Government in general does not mean you are a terrorist.

Take Sarah Palin and most of Alaska for instance.

The two intelligence officials said the missiles struck the home of a local Taliban commander before midnight Tuesday near Mir Ali, a town in the North Waziristan region.

Isn't this about the 700 billionth time this headline has appeared?

It is a mistake to think of Pakistan as an actual country or its government as an actual government. It is a shambolic collection of warring factions; the ISI created the Taliban. The government exerts no sovereignty in Waziristan. Even if the government wanted to eradicate the Taliban they couldn't; therefore, strikes like this are our only option.

is bin laden ok

#21 - Keltoi

LOL, keep this around for the next time Tosser is on the DR. That will be a riot!

If by "gets it" you mean to continue to tell Pakistan that we will not strike inside their territory while telling them to ignore the gunships and missiles raining down on them from our forces, then yes he "gets it".

#14 | Posted by 726 at 2008-10-01 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well said.

#21 - Keltoi

LOL, keep this around for the next time Tosser is on the DR. That will be a riot!

#23 | Posted by fyi

Umm...okay, what is a Tosser?

Umm...okay, what is a Tosser?

By the way you replied, you obviously already know who he is.

Umm...okay, what is a Tosser?

By the way you replied, you obviously already know who he is.

#26 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

No, but I guess I can guess, I have never been to the Retort before today.

"the ISI created the Taliban. The government exerts no sovereignty in Waziristan. Even if the government wanted to eradicate the Taliban they couldn't; therefore, strikes like this are our only option"

I don't agree. You're getting close there, but you're off a bit. Pakistani intelligence did not CREATE the taliban, but they did allow for an increase in homegrown Taliban-sympathisers in the mid 90s and used them early on to achieve some self-serving needs in Afghanistan to counter influence ofrom Russia, India, and Iran in the region.

Certainly elements of the ISI sympathizes with the Taliban, as it is in their largely undeclared national interest to do so, even though it may seem perverse from the outside looking in, but is the only answer to counter this really US operations inside Pakistan? No.

The more fundamental question needs be asked again, "WHY does the ISI and elements within Pakistan sympathize with the Taliban?" And also a huge question must be asked, "What exactly happened to the fundamental nature of the "Taliban" after Pakistani influence precipitated its spread and growth? And also, "What role does the fear of communism play into what is going on in both Afghanistan and Pakistan?".

This whole obtuse "terror" angle the US has managed to deal its cards from when dealing with this area only serves to exacerbate the problems this area has historically dealt with within its borders. As Americans, it's impossible to keep our eye on a target and hit it if we do not precisely understand it and identify it. We have lost this ability (if we ever indeed had it) in a muddle of self-serving, partisan-political self righteousness and beaurocratic blunderings over the past seven years. Based on our continued focus on the Taliban, whether it be as an avowed enemy or providing it, as we have in the past, with money and weaponry as an avowed "friend", we really have no fucking clue, and as a result should get out of the area ASAP until we do.

is the only answer to counter this really US operations inside Pakistan? No.

~KG Beekeeper

"All stick/no carrot" as policy is partially why this mess is as big as it is.

It's clearly a demonstration of Obama's naivete and simply proves that he 'doesn't get it'.
Tough-talk has its place. However, an experienced leader knows when and where to apply it.
McCain gets it.
Obama doesn't.

~Jeff J.

No Jeff, it's clearly a demonstration of McCain's disregard for the truth and the American people's right to know.

McCain simply doesn't get it.

Either do you apparently.

Be Well.

Umm...okay, what is a Tosser?

~Keltoi

Tosser is a DR poster who lies in Pakistan.

He hates Obama specifically, black folk generally and would be considered a red neck conservative if he lived in the US.

Occasionally, he has some substance to offer but it's generally mixed in with a lot of insults.

He brings an interesting perspective to the DR anyway.

Be Well.

/"Tosser" is also Brit slang fer "Wanker" which is Brit slang fer "chronic masturbator".

"All stick/no carrot" as policy is partially why this mess is as big as it is"

Spud, I prefer the "no stick/no carrot" approach for dealing with foreign nations, as sticks and carrots I believe should be reserved for cart-bound asses. However, I would mix it with my own succinct version of "carrot and stick" for any braying ungulates that would continue to threaten my country once we leave them alone...

i.e. "if you come over here to touch my carrot I'll stick my sword up your cart-bound ass."

"He brings an interesting perspective to the DR anyway. "Tosser" is also Brit slang fer "Wanker" which is Brit slang fer "chronic masturbator".

And keeping loyal to his handle he usually comes on this site more than once a day.

"And keeping loyal to his handle he usually comes on this site more than once a day."

Posted by k_g_beekeeper

So far the pages haven't stuck together.

Who takes my name in vain?

It is not polite to talk about people while they are busy on the loo.

would be considered a red neck conservative if he lived in the US.

Potato knows me so well.

He hates Obama

Mogambo belongs back in Afreeka. What makes him think he can sit at the head of the table in America?

he has some substance to offer

I got as much substance as you like. They don't call me Tosser for nothing.

a lot of insults.

When did I ever insult you, Potato?

I did ask you once to get your "fat Canuck butt out of my face", but that is hardly what I would call an insult.

Spud,

No Jeff, it's clearly a demonstration of McCain's disregard for the truth and the American people's right to know.

McCain simply doesn't get it.

Either do you apparently.

Wrong.

You don't announce that you are going to bitch-slap an ally. You bitch-slap them quietly and leave the door open for them to save face by acting indignant over the slapping.

I know you are incapable of admitting that Obama ever makes a mistake on anything. Ever.

However, this is getting absurd.

Obama has made two mistakes by my estimation. Well, 1 and 1/2.

FISA.
This "bail out" vote.

However, this is getting absurd.

This is getting absurd because there are something none of you are realizing.

Things are far worse than you think.

ALL of this is a drama. Get it? It doesn't matter what McCain might say or Obama might say.

Think about it for 5 minutes and you will see. Or I will be happy to tell you all.

Ummmmmmm something JeffJ is failing to understand is Pakistan and India have been at odds with each other for quite sometime. How would He like it if I being in the Country of Kansas was bombing inside of the Country of Indiana without warning them ahead of time. since Indiana and Michigan have been feuding for quite sometime. Indiana desides to drop a couple bombs onto the Country of Michigan in retaliation for the preceived attack from them when it was My Military in Kansas that did it. Boy now THAT would be grand........NOT.

Larry

6 Taliban died? Sez who? (we do)

Americans say there have been no strikes.

Is Pakistan making it up?

Did the US knowingly target an empty house? (something they have done more than a few times before)

Why isn't the one person responsible for ALL the fighting in Afghanistan being taken out. The US knows exactly where he is. But he is never touched.

Pakistan knows exactly where he is. But he is never touched.

This guy.... Jalaludin Haqqani... once a CIA man, just like Osama.... he is said to be THE man to take down.

But he is never touched.

Funny, no? LOL

US is sending advanced equipment to our border guards to help them get the bad guys. LOL

Does the phrase "gravy train" have any meaning for you?

It is all an act. A few people do die here and there, but billions are made... here and there.

Funny, how everyone used to work for the CIA once.

Haqqani... Osama... Hekmatyar... LOL

Wiki on Haqqani:

The US has been making drone strikes in Pakistan since.. how many years now? Since 2004, at least. Earlier, in fact.

And the situation in Afghanistan keeps getting worse. Petritus (or whatever his name is) said so. Everyone sez so.

No effect of drones on the big picture.

Funny, no?

And understand one thing.

Haqqani isn't hiding.

He knows no drone will target his house.

Funny, no?

Think about it.

Look up TAP.. or TAPI.

Connect the dots my children... connect the dots!

There is a reason the US military in Afghanistan is known as "pipeline police". LOL

Enough hints... I'm off.

Ba-bye.

Hell anyone in their correct frame of mind really knows what this Global War On Terror is REALLY about. It's a resource war put under the umbrella of some rightious undertaking. If the truth were ever to get to the Average American they would not be supporting ANY of the wars either Afghanistan nor Iraq. Those are the facts jack.

Larry

Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"You don't announce that you are going to bitch-slap an ally. You bitch-slap them quietly and leave the door open for them to save face by acting indignant over the slapping."

How do you kill people quietly when they are being protected by your "ally's" army? Assuming Pakistan was ever an ally, isn't giving them fair warning that if they continue to protect terrorists we are going to take matters into our own hands the right thing to do? I don't see how telling them we will never violate their borders no matter how blatantly they help Al Queda helps the situation at all. And it certainly won't help our relationship when we decide enough is enough and cross the border. We shouldn't be worried about the Pakistani government saving face anyway. They've made fools of our government for years now.

Sully,

I don't see how telling them we will never violate their borders no matter how blatantly they help Al Queda helps the situation at all.

You tell them this behind closed doors.

You don't shout it out to the world and embarass a valuable, albeit fickle and tenuous ally.

It's all about giving them an out - giving them the ability to save face.

Obama's position on this isn't the problem. The problem is that he shouted his position out, when it should have been something done behind-the-scenes after he achieved office.

Obviously, I've done a shitty job of articulating my point. The problem is, I don't know how else to explain it so that my thrust is clear.

JeffJ.

While what you say is correct in the world of international politics, I only ask a simple question...

Why isn't Haqqani being targeted?

America blames him for everything that happens in Afghanistan.

Why isn't he being targeted?

If Sully can say Pakistan is fooling the US, I say the US is fooling it's own people even more.

If we are shit, the US is the bigger turd.

There are too many unanswered questions... as I demonstrated above.

You tell them this behind closed doors.

You don't shout it out to the world and embarass a valuable, albeit fickle and tenuous ally.

It's all about giving them an out - giving them the ability to save face.

Obama's position on this isn't the problem. The problem is that he shouted his position out, when it should have been something done behind-the-scenes after he achieved office.

Obviously, I've done a shitty job of articulating my point. The problem is, I don't know how else to explain it so that my thrust is clear.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-10-02 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No You don't especially when they have had all the time in the world to act. You need to make a Public Announcement that if You are an ally of the United States and You harbor terrorists You will not think twice to invade their Country no matter how much they claim to support You. You make a public example out of Pakistan if they fail to do what an ally is supposed to do. You need to put the whole world on notice that this is what happens when You fail to do the right thing. Oh and how is Obama wrong for expressing these points publically. How is the potential voter supposed to know how Obama or McCain will act in a certain situation. Do they tell it to their future employer or do they say Don't worry about it I have it covered. You wouldn't hire Me to sweep Your floors if I told You don't worry about Your floors I have it covered. No You would want Me to explain to You how I would do My job so You could determin if I am qualified to sweep Your floors. NO DIFFERENCE here.

Larry

And these questions aren't something you can brush aside. They hold the key to everything.

The aim is TAPI.. not getting Osama.

Perhaps they want Haqqani to change his opposition to an American stake in TAPI?

Doity doity world, the world of oil and gas.... specially considering that TAPI would spell the end of Iran and shove a thorny stick up Russia's bum, both at the same time. (a neo-con's wet dream... screwing Iran and Russia both in one go)

You make a public example out of Pakistan if they fail to do what an ally is supposed to do.

Instead America is giving Pakistan more weapons. ahahahahahahaha

They seem to be very happy with us. I wonder why?

See... these questions you can't answer.

Instead America is giving Pakistan more weapons. ahahahahahahaha

They seem to be very happy with us. I wonder why?

See... these questions you can't answer.

#57 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-02 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Meanwhile, it is Afghanistan that is turning into a parking lot. America isn't getting hurt and Pakistan isn't getting hurt (not really). It is Afghanistan that remains a punching bag.

In a few years, perhaps even trees will refuse to grow there.

Well done Larry. You are a thinking man, I say.

After Russia now being within cut-off distance of the Georgian route, TAPI is now more important than ever,

The West's life depends on it.

Pakistan is the only one that can break OPEC.

Do you have any idea how much some of our "muslim brothers" hate us? LOL

"Obama's position on this isn't the problem. The problem is that he shouted his position out, when it should have been something done behind-the-scenes after he achieved office."

I only have a problem with shouting it out if you don't follow through. Bush said we would track these guys down wherever they hide and we won't care if the local government likes it or not. And that was the most popular speach of his presidency by a long shot. I have zero problem with putting people on notice that if you aid people who violated our sovereignty and attacked us, we won't respect your sovereignty either. Leave it out in the open and then nobody can whine and say they didn't know when they get their people bombed by playing games with Al Queda.

I think we also disagree on Pakistan being an ally. I see them as allied with the Taliban.

Well done Larry. You are a thinking man, I say.

After Russia now being within cut-off distance of the Georgian route, TAPI is now more important than ever,

The West's life depends on it.

Pakistan is the only one that can break OPEC.

Do you have any idea how much some of our "muslim brothers" hate us? LOL

Posted by Tosser at 2008-10-02 09:25 AM | Reply

It's the ONLY reason for the Iraq War too. OIL Control and OIL Profits. THAT is it in a nutshell. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with WMD nor Terrorism nor supposed Al Qaeda links.(Which there were NONE)

Larry

Larry

"If Sully can say Pakistan is fooling the US, I say the US is fooling it's own people even more."

Some of us.

"If we are shit, the US is the bigger turd."

For now. But for most of our history we haven't been shit so there is at least some hope for us.

for most of our history we haven't been shit so there is at least some hope for us.

So you say attacking Vietnam (for example) wasn't shitty?

They were no threat to you.

I would like to know how different attacking Iraq (which I think you do consider shitty behavior) is to attacking Vietnam?

Some of us.

So you do think it very odd why Haqqani isn't on the target list?

The US sez it is Haqqani who is doing everything bad in Afghanistan, not Osama.

The US sez it is this one guy, leader of all the Taliban factions.

Odd isn't it? And you know it?

So you do think it very odd why Haqqani isn't on the target list?

From YOUR link

A September 2008 airstrike which targeted Haqqani, resulted in the deaths of between ten and twenty-three people. The US missile strike hit the house of Haqqani in the village Dandi Darpa Khail in North Waziristan and a close-by seminary[12][13]. The madrasah, however, was closed and Haqqani had previously left the area, therefore most of the casualties were women and children.[13][14]

How does it feel knowing America is fightin em over there instead of over here? when here is there and there is here for you?

yes it is about oil, any thinking person knows that, stop thinking you are brilliant cause of that.

"I would like to know how different attacking Iraq (which I think you do consider shitty behavior) is to attacking Vietnam?"

The only difference I see is that there were real commies in Vietnam who were really forcing their way of life on others while there were no WMDs in Iraq. I was born right when Vietnam was coming to a close so I can only look at it in hindsight and say it was idiotic for us to have been involved. I'm lucky. My father got drafted and was in Army at the time but was never sent over. I might not be here if he was.

"The US sez it is this one guy, leader of all the Taliban factions.

Odd isn't it? And you know it?"

Our whole "war on terror" doesn't make sense. Don't ask me to explain it. Our leadership consists of morons and/or traitors. And we put them in office twice. So we no too smart right now....

A September 2008 airstrike which targeted Haqqani

Haqqani has many houses, all of them known. He, of course, wasn't there.

yes it is about oil, any thinking person knows that, stop thinking you are brilliant cause of that.

Tooth-Hurts... your Govt. sez otherwise. I was pointing that out.

Many Americans take the US Govt's crap as the truth. I was pointing that out too.

I am also saying, how two-bit players are targeted and the main guys allowed to go on their way.

I am saying how every time the US or Pakistan targets and blows up an empty house (which seems to be what happened here), billions in money and weapons change hands.

It is partly, Pakistan screwing with the US, it is partly the US lying to it's own people, it is partly the US and Pakistan, fooling the whole world.

EVERYONE involved is insincere. This problem ain't never getting solved the way you imagine it ought to be solved.

For all intents and purposes, Pakistan is on the US payroll. It is the US that doesn't know what it wants.

My father got drafted and was in Army at the time but was never sent over.

Lucky him... and you.

And we put them in office twice.

I don't know why people here on this site are so gaga over Mogambo.

I don't see anything special in him.

Granted Magoo and MILF don't make any sense, but Mogambo isn't a silk hanky either.

All politicians are the same.

How does it feel knowing America is fightin em over there instead of over here?

You call that fighting, son? LOL

Fighting is boots on the ground... not pot-shots with remote controlled toys.

Petrieus (what the hell is his name anyway?) sez it's getting worse and worse.

No sonny... you ain't fighting at all.

Fighting is boots on the ground... not pot-shots with remote controlled toys.

that's so 20th century.

If you would like a fight, you are welcome to fight against the Pakistan army... not border guards which you run into now and then... but the main army.

Let's see how you fight with only 2 weeks of fuel and ammo.

There was a "war" between US and Pak border guards for only 5 minutes. There was intense shooting but both sides shot to miss.

Only a pissing contest.

There is not going to be any fighting.

The only way TAPI is going to come online is if you spend about 10 times the money you are spending on war and pay everyone off. Every bastard will settle down, guaranteed.

"I don't know why people here on this site are so gaga over Mogambo."

LOL. I probably won't even vote for him. Maybe I'll vote for the Arab, Ralph Nader. Or maybe Libertarian, I have to see who they are running.

In my opinion, Obama's appeal is based more on what he isn't than what he is. He isn't a member of the party that has screwed us over the worst (although his party certainly has contributed to our problems). And he isn't a total weenie like Kerry, who almost tried to lose to Bush last time around. Also, there seems to be the perception that the line he won't cross in order to get ahead or to help his friends is a little higher on the ethics scale than his counterparts'. I really don't know if that last part is true or not. He's definitely made some bad decisions and is often full of crap, which is why I probably can't vote for him.

Maybe I'll vote for the Arab, Ralph Nader.

In the age of MTV, Abe Lincoln would have lost because he wasn't pretty enough.

A little detail for the future....

Pakistan's ambassador to the US is Hussain Haqqani.

The poor bastard is not related to the taliban Haqqani.

Often, the two Haqqanis are mentioned in the same article... which is a tragedy. They are very different. One wears a toupee, the other has ok hair.

So, Keltoi, do you now know who Tosser is?

Before you ask, Tosser, Keltoi is the one who made post #21. LOL.

Hello Keltoi.

May you get nappy-rash, Keltoi.