e, as a people have had more than enough time to know that Bushco and it's appointed commanders, don't seem to be able to make war worth a damn. Patreaous, to give the devil his due, may not be principally at fault. The team of Bush/Cheney have proven repeatedly to be incompetent at virtually any conflict. The main goal certainly hasn't beed met but a number of military careers have been flushed due to WH interference with the military's conduct of what they do best-fight wars.

That would be "We", as a people-Now that would exclude some posters but sacrifices have to be made.

You are doing a HECKUVA job in Afghanistan, SHRUBIE!

Bullcrap. McSame called afghanistan a victory in 2005.

And he knows everything about everything military.
And he's been everywhere, man.

Interventionism begets more interventionism. The longer we adhere to this fundamental flaw in our foreign policy, this will be the norm.

It makes us weak as a country. No one wants to come out and say this, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Jesus F. Christ, we never WIN wars because our definitions of waging and winning them in the first place are so fucking ridiculous.

7/20/08 11:13 AM EST

Calling the situation in Afghanistan "precarious and urgent," Barack Obama said Sunday that the U.S. can't wait until January and a new president to put additional troops in the country.

where are those weapons of mass distraction?

"The heartening aspect is there appears to be a willingness on the part of the Pakistani government and military to undertake the kind of operations necessary," he (Petreus)said.

How I wish that were true. I read today that the ISI got a new commander, so maybe it is true, but in general the ISI is riddled with extremists that deeply sympathize with the Taliban and in fact helped to create them. Predator strikes and black ops are our best hope of taking the fight to the Taliban and AQ in Pakistan. Until they no longer feel safe in Waziristan, we will never rid Afghanistan of the Taliban.

You know what that means!

Dark spooky images with shadowy figures lurking with a commentator telling us how Obama and the liberals hate Afghanistan and will raise fuel prices 267% in just a couple of years.

Should prove to work well with the Rib Van Winkle sect of the Republican Party!

Or in other words the hannitites will eat it up!

Things ain't so sweet in Iraqistan either:
KIAs up 100% since July.

wait till al Sadr order his militia's to end the stand down.

The surge in Iraq worked, and of course the dr left ignores that. MANY here said it would never work...Words never taken back.....

So now the collective "brain trust" of the dr left support action in Afghanistan? HA!

Would you support a surge there, or do you now prefer to cut and run.....???

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......do n't tell this to anyone.

We mustn't tell the enemy we're attacking them as our bombs rain down around them....they'll never guess it was us!

-Jowels McSame.

"Afghanistan's in Trouble"

Of course it is, Bush touched it.

Dorkwave......Democrats from day one said Iraq was bullshit, get Osama and drive out al-queda from Afghanistan. The repubs fought a phony war and have made Americans less safe no matter where on the globe they currently reside.

Why did the right wingers cut and run from chasing Bin Laden??

Why did the right wingers embolden the enemy by crusading in a country for ZERO reason?

Why do right wingers hate America, and it's troops?

Why can't the right wingers ever tell the truth??

I'll help you out, you righties can start with, " I like dick, fondling children, stealing money from old people and babies, and most of all I like to kill shit!!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step....

LM

It's not called a surge, it's called adequately planning and providing for our military which the right is incappable of doing.

LM

There was a reason for the war in iraq. There were new untapped oil fields that the oil companies didn't have yet. Iraqi oil fields were only 10% tapped when we invaded. Then Bushco screwed up the oil concessions and china wound up buying them. Our people died to get them and china reaps the benefit.

Of course when you have oilmen in the white house...it all makes sense.

And when you add to that the fact that God wants us to drill for oil and build pipelines (per sarah palin) it makes even more sense.

providing for our military which the right is incappable of doing.

And you think the left is capable of taking care of the military? They arent exactly known for that!

Afghanistan is in trouble?

No shit Sherlock, wot gave you the first clue?

Glad to see that Patreous is finally catching up to Obama on this issue.

Too bad McLame still can't see it.

Be Well.

And you think the left is capable of taking care of the military? They arent exactly known for that!

#20 | Posted by boaz

FDR? Truman? Most of the services that veterans receive began with these lefties. And it was the current right that wanted to underpay and underfund the troops and VA.
Clinton used them effectively in 2 wars, as even Mcsame acknowledged and left Bush the military that overthrew Hussein and the taliban.

It was the ridiculous right that went with the short, cheap and greeted as liberators 90 day plan. Not to mention the fuckup in beirut, a gift from the patron saint of the right, as Mcsame admitted.

Clinton used them effectively in 2 wars,

The military was cut severly under clinton. Please dont try to tell me that dems care for the military. I just dont see it.

"Please dont try to tell me that dems care for the military."

One thing all Americans can be grateful for: The George W. Bush administration, and its reckless disregard for everything military, has finally highlighted, for all to see, the sheer ridiculousness of the rightwingnut talking point that Democrats don't care for the military.

Those who don't see that are, well, blind.

The military was cut severly under clinton

According to the plan drawn up under Bush 41

Please dont try to tell me that dems care for the military. I just dont see it.

#23 | Posted by boaz

Boaz, are you from Boaz? Guess what, I am. Boaz Alabama. the Pirates. we had a shitty football team.

If you went to the same school I went to, please try not to look dumb.

You DR folks get so wrapped up in your partisan bullshit, it takes over your common sense.

Do you actually think people that have voted democrat or republican (or opposite of however you voted) are sitting around trying to figure out ways to harm soldiers, who are our sons and daughters?

I have a son in iraq and 1 brother that served on a nuclear sub, now discahrged, and one brother that served in iraq and is now stateside. And I'm voting democrat this time mainly because of people that think the way you do. and guess what, all 3 of them are voting democrat too.

how dare you accuse your fellow americans of neglect just because they didn't vote the way you do or agree with all your positions.

This is a fine example of good old american unity (no offense AU), Bushco right-wing style.

"Please dont(sic) try to tell me that dems care for the military."

My father was career Army.

What, are you supposed to change my mind? Democrats still dont give a crap about the military, period. When I first came in the military almost 17 years ago, democrats gutted our military almost to the bone. I would hear the old guys talk about the lax standards and alot of NCO's getting RIFed and unable to come back in. The biggest raise I have heard of was under Reagan. Some of my senior NCO's and officer's still speak of it. Since I have been in, the largest raise I have seen was about 4%. You liberal pawns can blow it out your asses...

When facts are finally known a large part of the military problems in Iraq and Afghanistan will be attributed to senior US commanders not communicating essential, painful truths to George W. Bush.

For the simple reason the man never wanted to hear them, and by report threw wall-eyed shit-fits those rare occasions they happened.

"When facts are finally known a large part of the military problems in Iraq and Afghanistan will be attributed to senior US commanders not communicating essential, painful truths to George W. Bush."
-Zed

When facts are finally known a large part of the military problems in Viet Nam will be attributed to senior US commanders not communicating essential, painful truths to Lyndon B. Johnson.

One must ask, why is the president so ignorant?

Then think about Sarah Palin.

If you can think at all.

My living father-in-law has decided to vote at all because she's "fresh."

He has no idea about her history and has never heard her speak.

Clearly the most profound course I ever took in undergraduate school was Introduction to Social psychology, Spring 1970, led to my Tektite II job.

Homo Sapiens is fucked.

I've known that for half a century yet I played along.

And I got five years with a cat who impressed me more than anything else.

Max was worth it.

The surge in Iraq worked, and of course the dr left ignores that. MANY here said it would never work...Words never taken back.....

violence reduced because of ehtnic cleansing (satellite phots show that)plus USA paid Iraq's to not fight us. surge was third on the list not the primary cause!

The biggest raise I have heard of was under Reagan. Some of my senior NCO's and officer's still speak of it. Since I have been in, the largest raise I have seen was about 4%.

Wow, seems you are treated better then the rest of society. And by the way, you have spent by far more time under REPUBLICAN rule but blame it on the democrats.

Not a bright guy are ya.

There's nothing to be done about Boaz and Zat's living father-in-law. They are natural right wingers who will always find a justification to vote against left wingers -- "fresh", for God's sake. There are left wingers who are the same.

These last eight years have proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt. None of us were around for Fillmore, Buchanan and Pierce who were considered as three of our worst presidents until Bush who is indisputably the worst ever came along. His administration has literally fucked up everything it touched and, given 8 years instead of 4(or better 0), it got round to most everything there was.

Apart from enriching people already rich enough by most people's objective standards and crafting an effective but purely political machine, I'd ask them to point me to just one aspect of American life that has been enhanced by them. If I thought there was any chance of getting any kind of an honest answer, that is.

What I'd get instead is "Libs suck". "Libs hate the military". Lipizoidal's #26 gave the lie to that slander, predictably it was answered by Boaz's #28.

Democrat:

"The war in Iraq is lost!
Uhhhh...the surge didn't work!
Uhhhhh...the problem is in Afghanistan...."

Keep moving the goal post Democrats. Maybe you'll win the game that way. Just don't apply for any NFL, NBA or MLB coaching jobs...cuz you'd suck really really bad! LOL...LOL...LOL

Since I have been in, the largest raise I have seen was about 4%. You liberal pawns can blow it out your asses...

#28 | Posted by boaz

If you joined the military to make money, you really are whacked.

Maybe you're just confused because Democrats are not lying murderous bastards that use dumbass grunts like you and the military to further their own political careers. They depend on your abject ignorance and mis-guided patriotism and the fact that you're not smart enough to question the so-called leaders.

Your breed is dying out. Good riddance too.

Charlie Wilson accomplished something there once. But, for now, incompetent, indifferent, greedfuckers are in charge. No good can possibly come of their efforts. Time and time again, Shrub has proven he can fuck up and anvil.

As soon as they restore electricity, water, sewage, gasoline and JOBS, Iraq will be AOK. But firs the belligerent sons of bitches that started this war will have to decalare victory and leave. Its part of the plan.

"My late father-in-law was a POW in WWII for many years. Captured by Rommel after being literally blown out of his tank. Lucky boy.

He died a very, very rich man; One of Bill Clinton's early supporters. Never regretted the 90% tax bracket at all. Ten percent of one fuck of a lot of money is still one fuck of a lot of money. And he knew where it came from."

And that's why they are known as the Greatest Generation. Deservedly so. Real Patriots not flag waving greed fuckers who use patriotism and religion to further their own selfish economic goals....which are now biting them too in the ass.

"And you think the left is capable of taking care of the military? They arent exactly known for that!"

We've never had another CIC, from any party, who sent people to war without a plan the way Bush did in Iraq. Anyone else, regardless of party affiliation, could do a better just by trying.

BushCo. = Just a laugh a minute.