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On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush's watch.

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What fantastic stewardship!! We need more of this.

--righteys----

Clintons fault!



It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history.


zfacts.com

Bush is an utter failure.

Is there any one thing he has done right? Other than enrich his cronies?


.......if you want to live like a Republican.........

......you have to vote for a Democrat........

We tried to tell you so........The problem is, Republicans never learn.

but, but, but... Cheney said, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter".

"Only 95% of that debt is my fault."

John Mcadaver.

Well I will be glad when he goes back to Texas to milk horses.

Republicans seem to think that deregulation works because when you have a totally hands-off government that lets banks and corporations run rough-shod, rich people make money. Then when they stop making money, and all the risky/irresponsible bets they've made come back to bite them in the ass... well then it's time to socialize the losses and while keeping the ill-gotten gains in private hands. It's so ANTI-conservative that it's funny. This buyout (while being totally necessary to provide time for damage control so we don't have a major depression) is SOCIALISM and it's Republican's fault!

With the obama-mccain polls being what they are today, it's no small wonder many of us not living in the u.s. think a vast majority of you are just plain fucking retarded. unfortunately, those of you with an iota of reason and sense are stuck at the shit buffet alongside the tards that voted for king tard twice...and they have the fucking gall to have a straight face when presenting mccain and his floozy as the next leaders... way to turn one of history's greatest republics into the laughing stock of the free world.

Still 45% poll for McBush's third term.

The reason for this is:
a. stupidity
b. ignorance
c. they hate America
d. religious values require voting for a buffoon
e. they hate the other team and view politics as a game
f. they are old and cranky and hate the young
g. other ______________________________ __

h, all of the above plus Obama is a black muslim marxist who devotedly follows that wacky protestant preacher.

Pancho-I think it's also the same reason casinos get rich-the fools who follow bad money with good money, thinking "next time" I'll win.

Bush isn't running.

--republicans

Finally, a legacy no one will beat!

Unless John gets elected.

DANNI et al,
If Dubya was so bad, what does it say for the Dem candidates Gore & Kerry?

if our fearful leader has his way, this paltry amount won't even come close to the final figure. If he has any luck at all getting a bail out that he favors, a few trillion more will really make for a fine legacy.

"If Dubya was so bad, what does it say for the Dem candidates Gore & Kerry?"


YEAH!
They didnt have an MBA! Duh!

"DANNI et al,
If Dubya was so bad, what does it say for the Dem candidates Gore & Kerry?"

It doesn't say anything about them, it says something about the idiots who voted for Bush. Then there were those who voted for him twice...they are in a whole different category.
I really don't mean to be insulting but we did try to warn the country about what was going to happen. Now that it has it is hard to not say "I told you so."

Oohrah -- It says a few things:
If Gore, or Kerry, won, chances are good we wouldn't be in this mess.
Also, we're doomed to become a laughingstock if we keep electing human failures like Bush, Palin, (add long list of republicans).
For some reason, many in this country see curiosity, intelligence, openness, and respect for others as a detriment, and close minded
Flintstone believing superstition as a virtue. As long as THOSE people
hold sway, the world laughs as we crumble.
Any idiot could see Bush was a failure 8 years ago. Unfortunately, the shallow end of the idiot pool won out. No more.

If Dubya was so bad, what does it say for the Dem candidates Gore & Kerry?

Not much.

But is says a lot about the people who voted for Bush. They're idiots.

and don't take that wrong!

And many of them will now admit it. And they won't vote for McCain.

At least it gives Dems an answer to the old Republican "tax and spend" accusation:

It's one goddamn muthafuckin' shitass hell of a lot better than borrow and spend!

It's one goddamn muthafuckin' shitass hell of a lot better than borrow and spend!

~MTW

Strewth au go-go.

Particularily when you understand that a lot of that money being borrowed is from the Chi-Coms with their deliberately under-valued yuan.

The Sword of Damacles is that.

Be Well.

"It doesn't say anything about them, it says something about the ~idiots~ who voted for Bush." - DANNI

"Any ~idiot~ could see Bush was a failure 8 years ago. Unfortunately, the shallow end of the ~idiot~ pool won out." - KING

I'm sensing a theme here. ;^)

Look, it says plenty about the Dem candidates:
For one, can you admit they didn't run the best of campaigns? Second, possibly acknowledge that maybe you, the Dem primary voters, went with the wrong candidate? To lose to a "chimp" elected by "idiots" is hardly an endorsement of your side's ability to nominate an effective alterative and run a winning campaign.

Why the condescending tone? Idiots? Would you have called those who voted for Carter idiots? Doubtful. Rather, those who voted for Carter or for Bush voted for ideals/prinicples that they'd hoped their candidate would follow through on.

The 2004 election was about national security and Kerry just didn't make the case. Gore inherited a pretty sweet situation yet managed to lose not only his home state, but WV and other traditionally Dem states due to his environmental stance and his wooden personality.

Looking to 2008, IF Obama loses, to what will you attribute a defeat when all the cards appear to be in your favor? Racism? Idiot voters? Instead, why not take an introspective look at your party's message, its candidates, etc?

IF Obama loses, to what will you attribute a defeat when all the cards appear to be in your favor? Racism? Idiot voters? Instead, why not take an introspective look at your party's message, its candidates, etc?

I'll take Idiot Voters for $2000 Alex......

Kerry lost because Christian voters are fucking stupid and were easily manipulated by the Rove machine.

PERIOD!

How did you miss all of that?

Another example of GOP conservative fiscal policies

"How did you miss all of that?" - MANY

I must have been at a snake handling meeting.

"Would you have called those who voted for Carter idiots?"

If they voted for him after he was a horrible president for 4 years, then yes goddammit - YES!

Some people did do that but no many. Carter was a very bad president and lost his re-election bid in a landslide.

I didn't want either Bush or Gore to win in 2000 and voted for neither of them. I don't blame anyone for voting for Bush in 2000 because while he seemed kind of sutpid, there was no way to know he would be this horrible. But in 2004, if you voted for Bush you have absolutely no excuse. Kerry was a horrible candidate but the unknonw is better than a proven absolute failure.

I am a little too young to remember. What exactly did Carter do that was so bad?

Pancho-I think it's also the same reason casinos get rich-the fools who follow bad money with good money, thinking "next time" I'll win.

#14 | Posted by northguy3

I guess, but just how many times does someone have to stick their hand in the fire before realizing they get burned? Fucking depressing.

North,

Forgot to also mention: compulsive gambling is a mental disorder, as i guess compulsive voting for the gop would be.

"But in 2004, if you voted for Bush you have absolutely no excuse. Kerry was a horrible candidate but the unknonw is better than a proven absolute failure." - SULLY

I think we normally agree on many topics. As to this one... to my recollection the 2004 election was mostly about national security/Iraq War. Kerry simply didn't make the case he'd be tough on national security.

Kerry also came across as a Euro-loving elitist.

In 2004, again to my recollection, the economy was recovering pretty well after the 9/11 attacks. Immigration wasn't an issue. Reps in Congress hadn't yet pissed off enough Rep voters. Kerry simply didn't give enough voters enough reasons to dump a sitting POTUS during wartime, despite being a Vietnam veteran.

And don't doubt for a moment the Dem party LOVED the fact they could trot out a war "hero" to neutralize Dubya. Only problem was Kerry was much more of an "anti-war" hero. (Supposedly tossing away his medals... testifying before Congress, etc)

"to my recollection the 2004 election was mostly about national security/Iraq War. Kerry simply didn't make the case he'd be tough on national security."

Well the Iraq War was started for reasons that weren't true and it undermined our national security so I'm not sure how anyone could have a worse position on these issues than Bush. Not only was the war ill conceived, but the planning was half assed and that is just unforgivable. How do you send guys to go occupy Iraq knowing people are going to try to kill them and you don't have a plan? They just literally assumed that Iraqis would magically go along with the program as soon as Saddam fell. Why? Either because they were incredibily stupid or incredibly lazy or most likely some comb of the two. That's just a betrayal of the people who have sworn to protect us and people should be locked up for it. It doesn't get any worse than that.

I'll give you that Kerry was a horrendous candidate, a phoney and foolish enough to support the Iraq War when it was popular. I still don't see how he could have been any worse on national security or the Iraq War.

SULLY-
Let's grant that all you say about Bush and the Iraq War (begun in 2003) were true, though I'd contest that.

If all were true, back in 2004 those "facts" weren't common knowledge. Hindsight is always 20/20. Regardless, given the info known at the time and given the two candidates (W + Kerry) Bush made the case for staying the Iraq course. Kerry, in turn, failed to sufficiently make the case to change course during wartime.

In other words, SULLY, given the known info at the time of the 2004 election, can you really call those who voted for Dubya "idiots?"

Looking back, for me personally, I had zero confidence in Kerry's ability to carry out national security objectives. Had W been a great second term POTUS? Nope. Yet I have zero confidence Kerry would have been an improvement.

Reps have disappointed me these past half dozen years or more. That they've disappointed me doesn't mean I toss my support to the lesser of two evils. I wish there were a way to flush the incumbents and take on more ideological folks.

OOHRAH

What happened with Kerry?

Kerry was up by several points 3 days before the election when Osama Bin Laden issued his video to add the 'scare factor' Bush/Cheney were railin on, throw the election to Bush - a candidate he could count on to blow the pooch, leave Bin Laden alive and well, and leave the U.S. weaker at the end of his Presidency.

Mission Accomplished!

We'll have to disagree on many things AU. This is one of them. Kerry ran a poor campaign. The election was a referendum on keeping us safe and he never made enough of a case to urge Amercians to make a change in mid stream.

The OBL tape might have helped Bush, but it also reminded everyone that he hadn't gotten OBL, so who knows what effect it might have had?

Heck, Kerry was ahead the day of the election. Exit polls were calling for Kerry to win if we're to believe the mainstream media. There was shock when he lost.


OOHRAH

I hated waiting 'til 3 am for the outcome in 2004

Cayuga County, OH did the trick for Bush.

This year I think we'll know MUCH MUCH earlier

We lived in Ohio for many years till 2000. I forget the exact OH county, but there is one which is "ground zero" in terms of being a 50-50 party toss up. Cuyahoga County www.cuyahogacounty.us is typically a Dem county. Cleveland is a Dem city. So, mostly, is Columbus. Cincy is typically Rep. It's truly a mixed state with all the old manufacturing concerns and the Appalachin area in the south.

We lived in Licking County (nice name, eh?) about 45 minutes east of Cols. It's a Rep county. Even voted for Dole against Clinton.

Regarding this year's election, don't be too confident regarding polling data. Pollsters aren't out to help McCain... and consider the possibility that some % of voters will lie to pollsters regarding their support for Obama.

OK

Except almost everyone agrees America is in a heap of trouble, and they know who's responsible.

No 'Orange Alerts' for quite some time either

Hello:

Our books are cooked like Enron's books were cooked.

The debt is closer to 48 trillion! Have to count Social Security and stuff like that in there.

Can't blame Bush alone. Though a tax cut and 2 wars didn't help matters any.

Many administrations over the past century have been tweaking the warning lights and gauges that should be blinking red on our instrument panel. LBJ took proceeds from Social Security and listed them as income and when we spent that money it doesn't get listed on the debt column. Nixon took gas and food out of inflation - hmmm don't you wish you could do that?

If inflation was figured correctly we'd owe our folks 70-80% bigger checks each month!

GDP, Inflation also are bogus. GDP is 40% less than what it is. Not good!

Our jet called the economy is out of gas, its engines are cooked and inside the cockpit the pilots think all is good. Well that will work until it crashes.

Jefferson said If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a civilization, it expects what never was and what never will be.

- Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Treasury Secretary Albert Gallatin (1802)

The Federal Reserve is not part of the government it is a private bank owned by other member private banks.

Grow money like it grows on a tree that money is worthless.

99.9999% of the Congress doesn't get it. Pres. Bush says we need new laws. BS I say we need to re-adopt the Constitution before we become orphans.

BIGGEST!!!!

INCREASE!!!!

EVER!!!!

Bush is #1 at something for the first time in his life.

100%+

The Iraq war if OFF the books.

ALEXANDRITE-Bush always was the number one butt wipe of America, the trophy was retired for cause. Why didn't his father wear a condom? Get a hummer? Be found to be sterile? Believe in kindness towards humanity? Get a damned hooker? Anything but Shrubbie.

Absolutely this is Clinton's fault...

oohrah, I apologize for the sophomoric overuse of the word idiot in relation to republican voters, my anger over the state of the things
precedes my humility. But, and I believe this strongly, when transparently incurious human beings such as Palin and Bush represent a party, and their incuriousness and shallowness are seen as virtues over someone who seems "elite", i.e. smart, curious, worldly, and if those supposed virtues are what the majority of the American people feel best represents them, then we are fast on our way to supporting player status on the world stage. We cannot reward "folksiness I can relate to" with political power. Our current fall from grace and the respect we have squandered are more than enough testament to that. At least it should be, yet I fear it isn't. I believe the current polls are wrong, and at the end of the day people's fears and old habits will win the day. Man, oh, man --
We have got to grow the fuck up.

Good points, KINGZILLA

"a lot of that money being borrowed is from the Chi-Coms "

Far more has been borrowed from the Japanese. Wonder why that factoid doesn't rise to the top? I can only assume that China bashing is more in vogue these days.

"In other words, SULLY, given the known info at the time of the 2004 election, can you really call those who voted for Dubya "idiots?""

I thought he was horrible back in 2004 for the same reasons I think he's horrible now so I'm probably the wrong person to ask.

I will say that I have friends and family who voted for Bush in 2004 and while I don't think they are idiots in everyday life, I sometimes suggest they stop voting (at which point they usually tell me to go screw myself).

"the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion"

The keepers of the National Debt Clock in Times Square are accepting donations to retool the clock to add the additional digit for when the debt ticks over $9.99 trillion dollars.

The designers of the clock never anticipated that the debt would ever rise so high.

Five years ago, it was estimated that it would cost upwards of $60,000 to retool.

There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.

Richard Feynman, 1918-1988

When it comes to running up debt, Reagan was a piker.

The US needs to cancel all those toxic-waste securities on Wall Street, repudiate the debt, convert mortgages to 30-year fixed, abolish the Federal Reserve and re-issue American bank notes from the Treasury.

Big mess? Yes, for 30 days, but it would solve the whole problem at once. And everybody would be better off. Even the rich.

This is the other thing about the bailout that makes no sense -- how do you add $700B to the national deficit, and believe that this "solution" won't cause credit markets to tighten?

Fact is if the U.S. weren't borrowing so much money, there would be credit available for everyone else.

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