Because when the time comes for the President of the United States to "pardon" the Thanksgiving turkey and send the bird off to a zoo or children's camp or whatever, John McCain will step right up to the plate and bite the gobbler's head off.
That's why.
~Rightoids

Well most of them might say it's because he isn't black.

Others will say that he was a war hero.

That war he was in was not heroic. It was a failed ideological nightmare. There is nothing to be proud of Vietnam. We got our asses kicked.

there you go playing the race card!

Nanc Your politic is the drizzling shits but I still Love You.

Larry

well of course you do!

"To the McCain voters why do You want Him??"

If....from the capitalized "Him" you're talking about the Obamessiah...it's because he's a fuckin' socialist.

If you're talking about McCain...it's not that we want him...it's that we DON'T want the fuckin' socialist. It's simple really.

...it's that we DON'T want the fuckin' socialist. It's simple really.

#6 | Posted by jestgettinalong

In this case 'the socialist' means 'the black guy'

What Jests problem with socialism?
What, he went to Sweden and couldn't get laid?

larry - don't think we're all thrilled with mccain. it's not like that - many conservatives i know DON'T have an ideal candidate so we vote for the person who BEST serves our interests. after watching mccain on teevee this a.m., i had to go for a very long walk.

liberals are too rabid, hateful, and most of them have mouths that should have a bar of lava stuck in them - i don't want to be associated with any party even remotely close to that.

for years i've been stating that conservatives need a new party. wonder if we'll remember next election.

realistically speaking - "you cannot have it all - where would you keep it?" stephen wright

#9 | Posted by nanc

Who are you NANC? You are as much a person as anybody else. Why don't you start that movement instead of sitting around waiting on someone else to do it?

I might even join in with you as long as you leave jesus at home.

that's the problem with the conservative movement now. I know, I used to be a republican and I left as Rush and the talibaptists came in.

i've tried and have been saying it for yearsssssssss - do you actually believe conservatives are ecstatic with the choices we've been given? when we speak of it or try to move in a direction away from republican, we're told we're rocking the party boat and can't we just find SOME redeeming quality in this or that candidate?

what is hard for me to believe is that either party can find their candidate so pleasing as to constantly uphold them when we know they're shady.

personally, i was hoping for mitt romney as he's about as far from being a christian as one can get without being an athiest and i'd vote for an athiest if their values were more closely aligned with my own. Jesus has NOTHING to do with it. Bush cured many on that issue.

1. Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

2. His wife is a racist. "Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor" - MO 1984 thesis.

3. Hussein is a racist. "My grandmother is a typical white person".

4. 800 billion in new spending.

5. He has actually met most of the foreign leaders Hussein will unconditionally meet with.

6. He served his country - as more than a block party organizer.

7. He did not choose his church based on political reasons.

8. Freeze on spending - outside of defense, and vet's care.

9. Want's to fight the war from this point forward and not debate whether we should have gone in the first place - do that after we are out.

and 10. He is not black!

Just kidding.

what is hard for me to believe is that either party can find their candidate so pleasing as to constantly uphold them when we know they're shady.

#11 | Posted by nanc

all politicians are shady, period. Politics is a shady business.

You will not find that 'morally' satisfying candidate. America has becomes fools looking for it. Every news story has this issue as a back-drop. We have become like concrete thinking children who only see black and white with no shades of gray.

The world and the worlds intelligence is abstract. All adult humans, especially successful ones have a history. And most have some baggage. Look at each person and think what our process would do to them if they ran. That is why we only get choices of not real people, but people that can cover their tracks, by hook or by crook.

The best we can do is to not elect outright criminals, if we can.

I'm sorry Nanc, but McCain is a over-privileged spoiled little brat with no depth and no intellect and no morals except as relates to him getting what he wants. Vote for that if your conscious will let you.

my conscience WILL NOT allow me to vote for obama. are you suggesting i stay home on election day?

1. Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

2. His wife is a racist. "Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor" - MO 1984 thesis.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

3. Hussein is a racist. "My grandmother is a typical white person".

TH: has nothing to do with you.

4. 800 billion in new spending.

TH: ok real issue. but think how this will effect YOU.

5. He has actually met most of the foreign leaders Hussein will unconditionally meet with.

TH: although you statement is pointless, there is a point you are getting at: and the difference is diplomacy vs bush doctrine foreign policy. has that policy been effective during the past 8 years?

6. He served his country - as more than a block party organizer.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

7. He did not choose his church based on political reasons.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

8. Freeze on spending - outside of defense, and vet's care.

TH: ok real issue. first, this aint going to happen. Second try and look at obama's financial plan with open eyes. ignore the cut this and raise that and look at what will be best for YOU.

9. Want's to fight the war from this point forward and not debate whether we should have gone in the first place - do that after we are out.

TH: this is actually debatable. One can say that how we got into Iraq goes towards their respective JUDGEMENT. Obama-diplomacy, Mccain-Forward leaning FP. I for one believe we will be at war with either Iran or Pakistan in the next 4 years if McCain is elected. Diplomacy is a better option.

and 10. He is not black!

TH: has nothing to do with you.

my conscience WILL NOT allow me to vote for obama.

why not?

7. He did not choose his church based on political reasons.

He's switched churches 3 times in this campaign to pander to the talibaptists. Tell me that ain't political pandering. Not to mention his kiss and make up with falwell, that agent of intolerance.

6. He served his country - as more than a block party organizer. And Chuck Keating. But how about something noble fro the last 40 years.

8. Freeze on spending - outside of defense, and vet's care. Takes 3 government checks and is looking for a fourth and voted AGAINST vets health care. And what pork did John or Sarah NOT accept for their states?

But you got #10 nailed.

are you suggesting i stay home on election day?

#14 | Posted by nanc

I would never presume to tell you who to vote for. I may advise and suggest....

I'm not even suggesting you not vote for McSame. Just let your conscious be your guide. You're a smart lady.

I'm assuming you have children. Who told you all the little details to raise those children when they were sick at night? No one. You depended on your own god given sense, as it should be.

you knew somehow, if they were uncomfortable, do this or do that or just hold them and it would help, but it wasn't easy because while you were in the middle of it, there was no end in sight (ever cared for a child with cholic?). I raised 6 children myself.

And now, I'll bet you are proud of the way all that turned out.

This is no different. Listen to that small still voice inside you. If it tells you to vote for McCain, do it and don't let anyone deter you from that. But if it is quiet, maybe you should listen more carefully and stop beating it to death. You will know the right thing to do as a mother and as a citizen of our great country.

In any event, you have shown me something today that i haven't seen in you before. Carry on, you are a competent american.

that's funny Lip

I would look at things directly.

going with one's conscience or gut or instinct is what got us into this situation.

the choice should be based on an understanding of facts and policies.

using your example, a parent educates themselves on medicines, procedures, takes them to the proper professionals, all policies based in reality.

yes some faith base their childs health and some medicines make things worse, that needs to be guarded against.

but the key is the educate oneself. to see what is in one's best interest.

that is done by a balancing objective fact with subjective values.

For example balancing tax or fiscal policy based on what has worked with one's moral values toward those without, those in need and those that can be helped.

it is balancing one's beliefs in how to help another with the policies their candidate supports.

an example of the difference:
Conservatives approach of self determination vs liberals approach of it takes a village

both are geared to better the least fortunate

both are based on a moral principle of helping those in need.

conservatives believe you give a man a fishing pole and he fishes for life.

liberals believe we are all in this together.

one must balance those values with the policies that impact those beliefs

education, welfare, safety, economy, taxes

etc

so one should look long and hard at what their party has achieved for them

i wish i had a party...

lipz - for cholic - place the child in a room near the floor in a seat with a vacuum cleaner on for several minutes - cures it within ten minutes - we had one who had it once. didn't hear that one from God, however.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

?

Do with me? You mean how either candidate specifically affects my person? Directly affects or indirectly? I do not know either candidate personally so how the hell could either have anything have to do with "me".

Obama is going to raise my taxes and spend that money on programs which I think are wasteful - how about that.

The others are indirect reasons for voting for McCain but have direct effects on my life in the next four years.

My "small little voice" says vote for McCain. My "small little voice" says had GW not messed up the country the last 6 years, Obama would not even be a blip on the radar this election - maybe 2012 or 2016 but not 2008. GW has helped to cause such a division between parties that there is a "win at any cost" mentality on both sides. The left clings to Obama as their best "hope" to "change" the broken policies of DC. His oratorical skills and his charisma overshadow his lack of tangible skill sets necessary to be the leader of this nation.

On the flip side, the right is forced to back a candidate who does not reflect the ideology of the true conservatives because of their extreme fear of what Obama could be - nobody knows after just 143 days.

So it is a black and white (pardon the pun) choice for voters - no viable third party on either side.

My "small little voice" also says that if we lived next door to each other we would probably make fine neighbors - as long as we left politics off the table - the middle class is essentially boring and moderate. We are more concerned about little league and cub scouts than Iran and Georgia. We are more concerned with going to work, paying our bills and taxes and raising our families. You mess with that, then we get vocal.

...it's that we DON'T want the fuckin' socialist. It's simple really.

#6 | Posted by jestgettinalong

In this case 'the socialist' means 'the black guy'

#7 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Oh Lipped one

I believe the termed most used is "You mean The Nigger?)

And the answer? "Ya that's the one.

"Obama is going to raise my taxes and spend that money on programs which I think are wasteful - how about that."

Whereas McCain just wants to borrow billions and billions more, so he can eliminate a tax which only effects multi-millionaires and billionaires (guess who'll have to make up the difference?) and expand the Iraq war into Iran. Whew! No waste there!!!

"In this case 'the socialist' means 'the black guy'"

LOL...Hey, Lips, I guess you and your little friends are so convinced that Pelosi was right when she said the Obamessiah, "....was sent by God to lead us," that folks not voting for him HAVE to be racist...right? Tell me about the eight or ten percent of blacks not voting for him. Are they not voting for him because he's black? Maybe they just don't want a socialist in the Oval Office either. I haven't voted for a democrat for president since 1964. Wanna figure out for me why that is?
(Psssst. None of those democrats were black either...but you probably knew that....but maybe not.)

My "small little voice" says vote for McCain. My "small little voice" says had GW not messed up the country the last 6 years............

and yet you will vote for more of the same.

"I might even join in with you as long as you leave jesus at home."

I think the Lipzter is a big hypocrite. Doesn't want Jesus or God involved but is voting for The One that was "...sent by God to lead us." That MUST be true as it was declared by the democrat leader of the House. No matter, Ol' Lipzman is too stupid to see the illogic of his posts.

the point that people fail to understand is that republican policies cost them money.

far more money than is taken from taxes.

republican policies have caused a huge increase in fuel costs which impact everything you buy.

republican policies resulted in a boom in housing prices which costs you money.

republican policies of borrow and spend cost you money in future interest payments on that borrowed money.

republican policies have resulted in skyrocketing health insurance costs

etc
etc
etc

why cant people see that?

"Ol' Lipzman is too stupid to see the illogic of his posts."

Says the guy who posts The One over and over, while bitching it's the left doing it.

TH: has nothing to do with you.

?

it means these things listed have little to no bearing on your life.

what matters is the policies that the POTUS will put in place.

you acknowledge that bush policies have "..messed up the country..."

yet you vote for more of the same, 5 of the 9 reasons you give are over NON-ISSUES.

More of the same vs change.

I'm voting McKinney,

"Says the guy who posts The One over and over, while bitching it's the left doing it."

Geez, Danny...I'm really sorry it gets your ol' ass ready to chew tobacco, but I got it from Pelosi. You don't doubt your beloved speaker of the House, do you? She DID say that Barack Obama was "...a leader that God has blessed us with at this time." After all, if He was sent by God he MUST be the Messiah, mustn't he? Consequently, He is The One, the Obamessiah.
If it will save some wear and tear on your shorts, from now on I'll just call him, "the leader blessed by God," Pelosi's words...leftist words, right? Will that work for ya'?

Says the guy who posts The One over and over, while bitching it's the left doing it.

#29 | Posted by Danforth

Please explain to me what this means so I scan slap you silly with it. I have no ideal what 'the one is'. the left doing what?

And i have no problem saying god can send obama if you will own up that god wants us to invade iraq and invest in oil pipelines (all this from the right).

I ony mean to say lot's of right wingers (and some lefties) will not vote for obama because he's black but you can't say that so they say he is socialist.

I ony mean to say lot's of right wingers (and some lefties) will not vote for obama because he's black but you can't say that so they say he is socialist.

#33 | Posted by Lipzoidial

That's true, and don't get the wrong idea about what I'm about to say, but you'd think that Obama would understand that this is still a more or less racist country when he decided to throw his hat in the ring.

Was this the right time in history to test that question?

"I ony mean to say lot's of right wingers (and some lefties) will not vote for obama because he's black..."

That's more correct, Lipzzy, but I might say they are probably more even in each group. I saw some figures that said up to 30% of democrats had a "problem" with voting for a black person. Face it...right wingers wouldn't vote for Obama if he was white either...right? You're trying to say lots of right wingers would vote for him if he wasn't black. That applies to LEFT wingers, but right wingers are not voting for him because he's so far left. True, SOME wouldn't vote for him if he was a rightist either. As for myself I'd vote for Michael Steele, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Alan Keyes...and others if they were running. I'm just not voting for a socialist black OR white.

I think the anger at our current administration will and should drive lot's of independents over to the demos.

I said the same thing when carter ran against raygun, only in reverse. I voted for raygun then and I am not sad I did. He lifted the morale of the country by his own charisma. He did lots of bad shit too but he made us all feel like americans again.

but even some independents are racists as well.

However, having said all that, now is exactly the right time to run the black man. The advantage gained from having the least highly regarded president in history is a decided advantage.

Now would have been the best time for a female president too. Look for Hillary to test that after whoever wins is ground to powder for the mess he inherits in this election.

All she has to do is come along and say, 'I told you so' and she's in'.

And I will probably vote for her if the republicans still have their noses up the religious rights asses.

However, having said all that, now is exactly the right time to run the black man. The advantage gained from having the least highly regarded president in history is a decided advantage.

#36 | Posted by Lipzoidial

That's a miserable f'ing truth if ever I heard one.

If McCain was 60 years old, maybe I might of voted for him, but he is 72 and cancer cells roaming around his bloodstream. I can't even imagine Sarah Palin as president, can you?

and yet you will vote for more of the same.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts

As will you. You are lying to yourself if you think otherwise - Hussein is lying to you to.

So tell me, what policies of his are not "more of the same"?

Like I said, if it was not for GW, the name hussein would still be associated with Iraq, not the U.S. presidential election. Go ahead, disagree with me.

However, having said all that, now is exactly the right time to run the black man.

#36 | Posted by Lipzoidial

Ah yes, the liberal racism bears its true self. It is never the right time to run the "black" man. It is never the right time to run the "yellow, white or brown" man either. It is ALWAYS the right time to run the "BEST" man.

Obama is not black though so I do not know who you are referring to.

iberals are too rabid, hateful, and most of them have mouths that should have a bar of lava stuck in them
by Nanc

We only became that way after 30 some years of being called "traitors" and "America haters" and such by you guys.
We tried working with you-and got hatred from you.
If you can't take it-you should never have dished it out.

It is ALWAYS the right time to run the "BEST" man.

#40 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

I guess with you I always have to go back to the beginning each time. I think Obama is the best man, black or white.

But if you want to vote by race only, now is a good time to do it, black or white.

Obama is not black though so I do not know who you are referring to.

#40 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Will the term "A man of color" do in a pinch?

As far as the "cracker" element is concerned, Obama is as black as he can be. Just as the are as screwed up as they can be.

That is "they" are screwed up.

frank - so by your standards - ALL conservatives are to blame for your hatefulness? or should we be judged on an individual basis?

is Obama as good as Jackie Robinson?

That's what die hard baseball folks all over America want to know...

ps as the Twins seemingly lose to Chicago in the coming 9th inning:>(

I posted a list on another thread..

McCain is the Man. And his VP choice of Sarah Palin is excellent.

Oops.

And his VP choice of Sarah Palin is excellent.

#47 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-09-30 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Politically, perhaps...but can you honestly say she would make a good VP? Or a good CiC if anything happened to McCain?

Give me a break.

liberals are too rabid, hateful, and most of them have mouths that should have a bar of lava stuck in them - i don't want to be associated with any party even remotely close to that.

#9 | Posted by nanc

frank - so by your standards - ALL conservatives are to blame for your hatefulness? or should we be judged on an individual basis?

#45 | Posted by nanc

Do you ever pay attention? I'd say it's fairly evident that you only see what you want to see. How can you possibly imply that "rabid, hateful" only comes from one side? Look around show us where this only comes from the "liberals".

You asked someone earlier if they were implying that you shouldn't vote. This is your statement:

"i don't want to be associated with any party even remotely close to that."

So who are you going to vote for? You CANNOT claim that there are not many republicans with the same behavior. So what party or candidate CAN you associate with? You really lost the high ground with THAT statement, lady. YOU had better take a deep look within, before you spend ANY more time judging everyone else through your partisan view.

I posted a list on another thread..

McCain is the Man. And his VP choice of Sarah Palin is excellent.

#47 | Posted by MURPHY

how can that be...the AZ diamondbacks flaked out this year reaching the playoffs while the Cubs & the Soxs are in & Alaska plays nite ball...which fits for some reason:>)

I have been on record as not being for him at all for most of the campaign but when certain east coast states made him the candidate, I had little choice.
I WILL SAY however that when he said that he would rather lose the election than the war and his campaign started folding right after that, I thought that here is a man with chraracter

and also.......obama an biden are two of the most liberal people in all of washington and the supreme court will probably have some openings and I care deeply about that.

gotta go.

have a great day

Why - I'll tell you why. My wife and I were going to abstain from voting as we cannot abide McCain's politics. THEN, here comes Obama and now we are both voting for McCain in an ANYTHING BUT OBAMA vote. Humm, I wonder how many others are going to hold their noses and vote not for McCain, but against Obama.

" now we are both voting for McCain in an ANYTHING BUT OBAMA vote."

What was it you hated most about the last time a Democrat was President? The balanced budget, the worldwide respect, or the Dow Jones more than tripling?

whatsleft - how do you know who i'm voting for? could be i'm writing someone in.

Obama is a socialist, and I cant vote for someone like that. Plus, being a black man, I am not voting for him to show him he does not have my vote just because he is black. He has no substance and I believe he will be weak on the military issues and foreign affairs. MCain is just the other candidate that half way thinks like me. The one I want to vote for is Alan Keyes, but he isnt running...

Here is who I would vote for:

"I am not voting for him to show him he does not have my vote just because he is black."

Boaz, lose the "noble" cause and vote for who best serves your interests. You don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Keyes? That carpetbagger?

Boaz, lose the "noble" cause and vote for who best serves your interests.

Blacks dont have that luxury, Steamingpile. If I dont say that, I am called an uncle tom. I know I have nothing to prove to anyone.