Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, September 27, 2008

A highly informative video that traced the cause of our current crisis that had its roots planted 12 years ago.

Don't really care for the last minute...but the first 8 and a half are interesting.

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ACORN which helped caused this mess is gonna profit from it if Dems have their way.

Member-
Did you actually just state that ACORN caused the economic mess we're in?

ACORN is part of the problem, not the solution.

Member-
I'd like you to explain one thing:

1.What the fuck does ACORN have to do with our current economic crisis and soon to be bailout of Wall Street?

Deregulation and little to no oversight thanks to the Repugs---Duh

Iraqbukkake-
Your video is shit. If the trillion or so dollars we are going to borrow to bail out Wall Street were instead going anywhere else BUT to investors, your crappy video might make some kind of half-assed sense.

Iraqbukkake-
It's just fucked up. You're blaming the poor for a bailout of the rich.

Member-
I'm ditching this stupid thread, but if you even kinda answer this, I'll check back:

Member-
I'd like you to explain one thing:

1.What the fuck does ACORN have to do with our current economic crisis and soon to be bailout of Wall Street?

#4 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-27 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're blaming the poor for a bailout of the rich."

That's what propertarians/libertarians do.

What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

GREED, GREED, and more GREED

All made possible by the Republican Party's lust for "free trade" -- which to Republicans means "trade free of any and all rules and regulations to follow."

I can't believe even now the Republicans are debating the $700 billion bailout theft of our taxdollars but were on tv today whining and wailing they do NOT want any restrictions on free trade or any regulations on what they do with our billons!

Can you believe it? I was stunned.

The Republicans (and a number of Democrats too) just demand we let them keep right on with their criminal corruption for both the politicians and their cronies on Wall Street.

"That's what propertarians/libertarians do."

Libertarians properly blame this on FMAE, FMAC, and especially the damn Fed Res.

"Libertarians properly blame this on FMAE, FMAC, and especially the damn Fed Res."

Whereas the real culprit is the religion of deregulation preached by free market fundies.

Nullifidian, et al-

WASHINGTON The chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, a longtime proponent of deregulation, acknowledged on Friday that failures in a voluntary supervision program for Wall Street's largest investment banks had contributed to the global financial crisis, and he abruptly shut the program down.

www.nytimes.com

The real cause of the economic crisis...

www.commondreams.org

From your link:

The S.E.C.'s oversight responsibilities will largely shift to the Federal Reserve, though the commission will continue to oversee the brokerage units of investment banks.

What is the Federal Reserve?

"Whereas the real culprit is the religion of deregulation preached by free market fundies."

Except that is was Dems who didn't want to regulate FMAE and FMAC.

What we need to do is regulate the government more.

Iraqibukkake-
What the fuck country do you live in, anyway?

Member-
re: "Except that is was Dems who didn't want to regulate FMAE and FMAC."

You mean, like this guy?

Rick Davis, John McCain's campaign manager, has remained the treasurer and a corporate director of his lobbying firm this year, despite repeated statements by campaign officials that he had ended his relationship with the firm in 2006, according to corporate records.

www.newsweek.com

"Except that is was Dems who didn't want to regulate FMAE and FMAC."

I couldn't care less what the party affiliation is of any particular free market fundie.

Wow. Way to sling bullshit. ACORN? Right.
Fannie and freddie did not do this. They simply bought the shit the con artists in the mortgage business packaged.
Like those ass-wipes on cnbc.
On friday at the 2:00 pm program switch, one of those fellows, that wipe with the curly hair and glasses actually made the comments that the congress was being bullied by 300 million people whose combined intelligence couldnt equal the intelligence of paulson and bernanke. In so many words he said congress should tell the PEOPLE to f%#k off.

They seem to think congress works for them, not the PEOPLE. Really hope there is a slew of pedestrian-taxicab fatalities over the course of the next few days in nyc. Starting with that tall curly-haired 4 eyed wipe.

Member-
Did you happen to see this (sorry, nothing about how ACORN caused the economic mentdown, lol):

S.E.C. Concedes Oversight Flaws Fueled Collapse

WASHINGTON The chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, a longtime proponent of deregulation, acknowledged on Friday that failures in a voluntary supervision program for Wall Street's largest investment banks had contributed to the global financial crisis, and he abruptly shut the program down.

www.nytimes.com

They lowered their lending standards and introduced new products, such as adjustable mortgages (ARMs), interest-only' mortgages, and promotional teaser rates.

Why did this happen Nullifidian? Go ahead and parrot your typical one word answer "deregulation!!! SQWAK!"

I tried to "educate" myself from that page but every fucking link on it is broken...

What the fuck country do you live in, anyway?

Once this bailout goes through, I think you would call it the USSA.

The real cause of the economic crisis...

mises.org

"I tried to "educate" myself from that page but every fucking link on it is broken..."

That's unfortunate but the argument is sound, unless you're suggesting than any article without links is worthless, in which case one should ignore the entire print media, books, newspapers, magazines, etc.

That's unfortunate but the argument is sound, unless you're suggesting than any article without links is worthless, in which case one should ignore the entire print media, books, newspapers, magazines, etc.

If "globalist banker said so" is what you define as sound, there is no hope for you.

If you're going to quote from the crackpot school of Austrian economics-the Mises Institute--there is no hope for you.

If you're going to quote from the crackpot school of Austrian economics-the Mises Institute--there is no hope for you.

If those crackpots were running the show, there would be no bailout.

Perhaps you can check some of them out after your heroes in Washington tack another 2 trillion on the debt and you need inflation explained to you.

Except that is was Dems who didn't want to regulate FMAE and FMAC.


What we need to do is regulate the government more.

#16 | Posted by member2586 at 2008-09-27 06:33 PM | Reply


It didn't make any difference what the dems wanted. The republicans had the majority and could have passed it. That it didn't pass is 100% on the republicans, as is the deregulation bill that started all this The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Republicans Deregulate Financial Markets

This is the start of the problems--the big deregulation bill the republicans, including McCain, fought for for over twenty years.

The GRAMM in that deregulation bill is now McCains economics advisor. Gramm thinks we are in a "mental recession".

www.washtimes.com

That's McCains "experience" on the economy.

The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Don't be disingenuous BB. It takes a village to fuck this country in the ass.


The real cause of the economic crisis...


mises.org

#24 | Posted by IraqiBukkake


Thank you, I'll have to read this.

These crackpot socialist liberals don't know anything.

Dude! There is a whole bunch of good stuff to read in that link, thanks.

These crackpot socialist liberals don't know anything.

#31 | Posted by member2586

Crackpot Fundamentalist free market Nazi...

"We have to do it my way!"
"You're crazy, the only way we can get out of this is if we do it my way!"

That's all I'm reading here.

Seems all the more obvious to me that Ray and the Beekeeper have it right.

Incidentally, IB, thanks for that link in your #24, I will also be reading through that material. Hell, I need more books anyway, looks like I may actually have something worth studying now.

"If those crackpots were running the show, there would be no bailout."

If those crackpots were running the show, we would be living under anarcho-capitalism, an even more extreme oligarchical rule than what we have today.

Don't be disingenuous BB. It takes a village to fuck this country in the ass.

#30 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-27 07:14 PM | Reply |

Don't be disingenuous IraqiBukkake. The law was veto proof. It passed in the Senate 90-8, and the House 343-86-Clinton had nothing to do with it. Had he vetoed it, the republicans would have hounded him even more than they did for his BJ.

The law was brought up by republicans. The law that would have regulated Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were turned down by republicans. Dems had nothiing to do with it since republicnas had both houses and the Presidency. Take some reponsibility for your paries actions.

You should have read the whole thing and you would have known that---or maybe you did and were just trying the old republican trick of just telling half the truth.

Don't be disingenuous IraqiBukkake. The law was veto proof. It passed in the Senate 90-8, and the House 343-86-Clinton had nothing to do with it. Had he vetoed it, the republicans would have hounded him even more than they did for his BJ.

I was more focused on the bipartisan portion than the Clinton portion. Thanks for emphasizing my point for me.

Take some reponsibility for your paries actions.

Oh, and not my party.

I was more focused on the bipartisan portion than the Clinton portion. Thanks for emphasizing my point for me.

#37 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-09-27 08:35 PM |


You prove with every post you don't know shit about what the problem is or what caused it. The dems were outnumbered and didn't sign on to the act until the republicans strengthened the Community Reinvestment Act. There was nothing bipartisan about the part that deregulated the financial markets--the dems could do nothing to get it stopped--they made the best deal they could by getting something for the little guy.

Oh, and not my party.

Yeah right. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.

You prove with every post you don't know shit about what the problem is or what caused it. The dems were outnumbered and didn't sign on to the act until the republicans strengthened the Community Reinvestment Act. There was nothing bipartisan about the part that deregulated the financial markets--the dems could do nothing to get it stopped--they made the best deal they could by getting something for the little guy.

Ahh yes... The favored whine of the Democrats: "There's nothing we could do!"

Hell, if you're going to line the pockets of someone it might as well be our scumbag friends and not theirs, right?

For the little guy...of course.


Yeah right. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.

I had voted Democrat in every election including '06. Then I saw them for the complete frauds they are and refused to vote for hacks like them again. Fortunately for them, they still have people like you more than willing to drink the kool-aid no matter how many times they spit in your face.

The numbers aren't in dispute. Republicans outnumbered democrats and the bill would have passed anyway.

I guess you haven't felt the spittle from the republicans for the last 14 years---most people aren't so fortunate. Many people had to bury loved ones.

I don't care when you became a duck---you're still a duck.

I found a 2006 report in my files in which the portending default crisis was anticipated in detail and addressed. The report included third quarter 2005, and it was immediately preceding that that the percentage of homes "owned" with "negative equity, spiked. Some were as much as 30% negative equity, but many more ranged from 10% negative equity to zero equity. When you add homes then with a 10% or 20% equity to the equation, you can understand the dimensions of the problem as these are also now fully uncollateralized loans.

Whoever "buys" these "mortgages will find them unsecured as to some 40% to 50% of their value, and the government will absorb a huge loss, trillions.

If the lefties wanted to distribute essentially "free" housing to "the poor," it was difficult without masking the fact with these specious loans.

The housing stokc was way overpriced due to the ease of money acquisition for financing. But look at the bright side. The "process" did produce an inventory of homes that would not otherwise have existed. a viable plan should devise some way to maintain occupancy of the homes rather than allowing them to deteriorate and neighborhoods to go to pot.

Money is in a sense "symbolic," and does not accurately represent the inventory of product. It's now a matter of establishing a stasis in the markets so that we can resume business as usual.

The figures I gave are misleading. sometime soon, I may post the name and location of the report, I think it's 33 pages, and it contains much edifying material, and the real figures, not my exaggerated hyperbolic ones.

#8 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-09-27 05:53 PM

1.What the fuck does ACORN have to do with our current economic crisis and soon to be bailout of Wall Street?

Are you aware of the initial Community Reinvestment Act, and as amended?

Lenders were compelled tby law to lend money to bad credit risks with little or no collateral, and without checking income available and prospects for repayment. The plan worked and the housing inventory increased.

It wasn't only "the stigma" of "racism" that was an incentive, but goverment requirements imposed on lenders required these bad loans be made to "the poor," and "minorities." No red-lining as that would limit exposure to bad loans, but it is "bad" because ..., well beause it's "racist" to impose the same strictures on minorities as on others.

Get it?

What to do with these bad loans that formerly would not have qualified for purchase. Well, by fiat, they were considered qualified for pruchase. And they were made by not particularly reluctant lenders and bought by not particularly vigilant financial institutions.

There is another factor, and that is that the individual agendas of the participants were attached to volume. Eventually the inventory of these bad non-performing loans reached a level, where the institution lacked the reserves to engage in the lending business, and so could not generate any fresh income.

If the lenders keep these loans with precipitous declines in the value of the secured properties, most will not be collateralized, and "home owners" who are prudent, will just walk away from the properties, which will then be sold to avoid the financial institutions bearing the additional expense of maintenance, upkeep, taxes, administration, etc. And many of these properties are in "bad" minority neighborhoods, where if left unoccupied, they are stripped of everything including fixtures and appliances.

Oh well. It's the liberal ideologues and agitators, betel. The laws passed at the behest of and with the support of these agitators, resulted in this mortgage fiasco. ACORN and similar groups are funded to secure passage of legislation antithetical to the welfare of the country, and to have indigents vote to secure something for nothing. Sometimes the "something for nothing" process is covert. It is a circumlocutious process as it was here, and the consequences are dire.

Our government representatives were aware of the dangers, but did not act to stop the process as it wouldn't have been a politically viable position to step on so many toes and earn the wrath of the beneficiaries, the poor, the lenders, and all of the people up and down the line, who profited.

The problem is that we need institutions with reserves, and which are able to make loans to facilitate commerce. Otherwise, economic activity will grind to a halt. How to do this and make the institutions which are without substantial assets, assume the risk is a conundrum.


Okay

I'll ask the same questions I asked on another thread.

How many problem mortgages are there?

What is the average unpaid balance of each?

And yeah, I probably could spend a few hours researching it but I figured someone here already knows.

Yet another "can't see the forest for the trees" nonsense approach.

You can put the root cause of the current "crisis" down to the day Franklin Delano Roosevelt died.

And ever since, Dem or Rethug, prez or congress...has slowly taken away all the safeguards, rules and regs that were to keep any of this horseshit from happening.

Granted, Clinton and Eye-o-Newt did their fair share of damage. So did Nixon, Raygun, Bush and the Frat Fuck. ALL OF THEM.

If figures that Rogers won't put this on the front page, only Liberal propaganda about how they think this crisis was started winds up there.

nowallstreetbailout.com

The funniest part of this whole bailout scam is that the very people who CAUSED the problem are supposed to be the one's who will "hold hearings" and "fix" the problem. It's time Chris Dodd and Barney Fag were shown the door!

The CBC didn't want ANY regulators near their cookie jar of freebies... and Dodd has taken over $13 million in campaign contributions from the very organization's he's "supposed" to have be regulating.

Funny how the the conscience of Freddie and Fannie cashed in on the gravy train and "Don't!" and "Stop!" were soon transformed into, "don't stop, don't stop!" once the greenbacks found their way into the right wallets.


once the greenbacks found their way into the right wallets.

LOL and whose wallets were they?

The Replthgs had:

The Congress, The Senate, essentially the Supreme Court and the White house and Now they wat to blame the Dems?



I guess Farmer you're screaming incompetence on all REPUBLICANS>>


Of course, with HUD directing Fannie and Freddie to make bad loans, you can hardly blame Wall Street for jumping on the bandwagon...

From the Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1999:

Bill Clinton couldn't stand the idea of government not giving away free houses to Democrats...


From the Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1999


Republicans INCOMPETENT SINCE SINCE 1999....


See: Bin Laden determined to strike in US.


This mess is mostly a titanic failure of regulation. And the largest share of blame goes back to one man: Alan Greenspan. People mainly fault the former Fed chief, who once enjoyed a near-saintly reputation because of his reputed "feel" for market conditions, for ushering in an era of easy credit that accelerated the mortgage mania. But the much bigger problem was Greenspan's Ayn Randian passion for regulatory minimalism. Under the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act enacted by Congress in 1994, the Fed was given the authority to oversee mortgage loans. But Greenspan kept putting off writing any rules. As late as April 2005, when things were seriously beginning to go wrong, he was saying that subprime lending would work out for the common goodwithout government interference. "Lenders are now able to quite efficiently judge the risk posed by individual applicants," he declared at the time. So much for his feel. New regs didn't get put into place until this past Julylong after the crash had come, under Greenspan's successor, Ben Bernanke. The new Fed chief's "Regulation Z" finally created some common-sense rules, such as forbidding loans without sufficient documentation to show if a person has the ability to repay.

Greenspan has tried to defend himself repeatedly, though as bank after bank has failed he's retreated to the shadows. But in a 2007 interview with CBS he admitted: "While I was aware a lot of these practices were going on, I had no notion of how significant they had become until very late." This, from a man who once told me, in an interview, that he most enjoyed scanning economic reports for hours in his bathtub. Now, with Tuesday's $85 billion bailout of AIG adding to the hundreds of billions the government has already put up to rescue Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, this apostle of free-market absolutism has realized his worst nightmare. He has given us the largest government intervention into the markets since FDR.

Heckuva job, Greenie.

www.newsweek.com


George W. Bush is destined to make Herbert Clark Hoover look like George Washington by comparison.

As a result the US mortgage industry came to resemble a Ponzi scheme. Mortgage brokers made bad loans because they made money whether or not those loans were paid off. They just passed the risk along to the next company. That company made its little slice of the revenue stream by bundling up a bunch of those bad loans and selling them (and any risk) to the next step in the chain and so on and so on. As long as you weren't last in the chain it was exactly like gambling with someone else's money.
Greenspan said as much to the UK's Monetary Policy Committee. David Blake, an asset management company exec, writes in the Financial Times:

[Greenspan told the MPC] the US financial system had been resilient amid the bursting of the internet bubble. Share prices had halved and there had been massive bond defaults, but no big bank collapses. Mr. Greenspan lauded the fact that risk had been spread, using complex derivative instruments.

Risk was indeed spread. It was spread away from the people and companies who should have understood what a bad idea this was to basically all of us. Traditionally, "all of us" rely on the government to serve as our proxy/watchdog in situations like this. For example, the danger to all of us posed by bad drivers is managed by requiring certain competencies for driving and enforcing those competencies. Can you imagine what the roads would be like without that government regulation? It would look a lot like the financial industry does today.

blownmortgage.com

From the Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1999

Democrat's INCOMPETENT BANK REGULATORS since 1993!!!!

Democrat's INCOMPETENT BANK REGULATORS since 1993!!!! -- Farmer John #63

Look, I'm willing to spread the blame around -- Chris Dodd (D), chair of the Senate Banking Committee, has to be included with Paulson and Bush as one of the people who should have seen this coming.

But the Repubs had Congress and the White House from 2000 through 2006, and failed to regulate the novel financial instruments (derivatives, bundling) that got us into this mess even though LTCM's 1998 demise was attributed to derivatives and they were behind the energy market's collapse in the early 2000's. Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway) warned they were a ticking time bomb back in 2003:

The rapidly growing trade in derivatives poses a "mega-catastrophic risk" for the economy and most shares are still "too expensive", legendary investor Warren Buffett has warned...

The derivatives market has exploded in recent years, with investment banks selling billions of dollars worth of these investments to clients as a way to off-load or manage market risk.

But Mr Buffett argues that such highly complex financial instruments are time bombs and "financial weapons of mass destruction" that could harm not only their buyers and sellers, but the whole economic system...

Derivatives generate reported earnings that are often wildly overstated and based on estimates whose inaccuracy may not be exposed for many years

Outstanding derivatives contracts - excluding those traded on exchanges such as the International Petroleum Exchange - are worth close to $85 trillion, according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association.

Some derivatives contracts, Mr Buffett says, appear to have been devised by "madmen".

He warns that derivatives can push companies onto a "spiral that can lead to a corporate meltdown", like the demise of the notorious hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management in 1998...

The profits and losses from derivates deals are booked straight away, even though no actual money changes hand. In many cases the real costs hit companies only many years later.

This can result in nasty accounting errors. Some of them spring from "honest" optimism. But others are the result of "huge-scale fraud", and Mr Buffett points to the US energy market, which relied for most of its deals on derivatives trading and resulted in the collapse of Enron. news.bbc.co.uk

But the Repubs had Congress and the White House from 2000 through 2006, and failed to regulate...

They didn't have the Senate from 2001-2, and even John McCain tried to reform it in 2003 w/more oversight, but was blocked by the Democrats.

No, the collapse was engineered by the Democrats and protected by the Democrats. There would have been no "subprime" market, were the Democrats not using it to buy votes from 1993, on.

...and you know what the REAL PROOF is that the Democrats were responsible? Despite the collapse, the Democrats have made NO CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM THAT CAUSED IT!!!!

Why?

Because the Democrats STILL want to use the mortgage system to finance "affordable housing" for the poor.

btw - "affordable" means poor people pay nothing, the American worker and taxpayer pays EVERYTHING!

The road to Hell is STILL paved with their "good intentions". The calamity of "bad results" means NOTHING to them.

Greenspan was only responsible for this fiasco in the sense that he held rates "steady" and "low". As it has been shown, the market, if left to it's own devices, castigates and eliminates "cheaters". But rates being steady, low and declining over such an extended period of time is what made the fiasco so monumental. A couple of periodic interest rate increases would have exposed the financial ponzi scheme MUCH sooner, and deterred many mortgages from going the "sub-prime" route.

The very term "sub-prime" implies a violation of free-market principles... for how can there be an interest rate "below" the rate one offers to one's "best" customers?

Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway) warned they were a ticking time bomb back in 2003:

The LA Times and NY Times articles linked above warned of the riskiness of securitizing the subprime enterprise in 1999. 2003 was simply the first time interest rates hit SUCH an historic low and so many millions of EXTREMELY RISKY subprimes to EXTREMELY POOR people were being printed, that even Warren Buffet could tell that something was wrong with the market.

And yes, GW Bush deserves much blame for raising the HUD targets for "disadvantaged loan originations" for Fannie and Freddie from 50% to 56% in 2004 to win re-election, but he was merely following Bill Clinton's "precedent" from 2000, who had raised the target from 42% to 50%.

...and besides, GWB was under the duress of fighting a war when he raised the HUD targets, whereas when Bill Clinton devised the HUD/Fannie scam in '92/3, all he was worried about was which intern to hit on next. The economic regulation problems we're dealing with today were all INVENTED and passed in a year where the Democrats held the presidency and both houses of Congress, 1993 and went into effect in '95 with the CRA changes.

No, the CRA was definitly the catalyst for this disaster. It's potential was recognized and warned against by regulators as early as 1994.

Farmer John hilariously keeps trying to blame Clinton.


The Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 (Pub.L. 97-320, H.R. 6267, enacted 1982-10-15) is an Act of Congress, that deregulated the Savings and Loan industry. This Act turned out to be one of many contributing factors that led to the Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s.[1]

The bill, whose full title was "An Act to revitalize the housing industry by strengthening the financial stability of home mortgage lending institutions and ensuring the availability of home mortgage loans," was a Reagan Administration initiative.[2]

The bill is named after its sponsors, Congressman Fernand St. Germain, Democrat of Rhode Island, and Senator Jake Garn, Republican of Utah. The bill had broad support in Congress, with co-sponsors including Charles Schumer and Steny Hoyer.[3] The bill passed overwhelmingly, by a margin of 272-91 in the House.[4]

Title VIII, Alternative Mortgage Transactions, allowed Adjustable rate mortgages [5]

en.wikipedia.org

This clusterfuck has been a long time coming.

"This clusterfuck has been a long time coming."

Quite true...and here was the final catalyst. From the New York Times, September 30, 1999:


"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."

"Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer."

"In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.
"From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us," said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry."

query.nytimes.com




Changing the subject, eh, Zaitochi? What, you don't like seeing your boy's fingerprints exposed to the light? LOL! The Democrats OWNED the government when this bitch was birthed.

Nice eye, Zat!


Heckuva job, Greenie.

www.drudge.com


"your boy's"

I hate to break this to you, shit-for-brains, but I never voted for Clinton.

1972 John G. Schmitz
1976 Lyndon Larousche (write in)
1980 Edward Clark
1984 Alfred E Newman (write in)
1988 Hank the Hallucination (write in)
1992 Perot
1996 Perot
2000 Nader
2004 Badnarik
2008 Paris Hilton

See you at the debates, bitches.

There is puhleeeenty of blame to go around in this mess. Our politicians have gotten so liberal about throwing money around to buy votes that a working stiff doesn't have a chance. Everything is "FREE" nowadays and anyone promising to tighten the belt has no chance to be elected. Here's a beautiful example of today's society:


"Hello Mr. O'Reilly,
I am a nurse who has just completed working approximately 120 hours as
the clinic director in a Hurricane Gustav evacuation shelter in Shreveport ,
Louisiana over the last 7 days. I would love to see someone look at the
evacuee situation from a new perspective. Local and national news channels have
covered the evacuation and 'horrible' conditions the evacuees had to
endure during Hurricane Gustav.

True - some things were not optimal for the evacuation and the shelters
need some modification. At any point, does anyone address the
responsibility (or irresponsibility) of the evacuees? Does it seem wrong that
one would remember their cell phone, charger, cigarettes and lighter but
forget their child's insulin?

Is something amiss when an evacuee gets off the bus, walks immediately
to the medical area, and requests immediate free refills on all
medicines for which they cannot provide a prescription or current bottle
(most of which are narcotics)?

Isn't the system flawed when an evacuee says they cannot afford a $3
copay for a refill that will be delivered to them in the shelter yet they can take
a city-provided bus to Wal-mart, buy 5 bottles of Vodka, and return to
consume them secretly in the shelter?

Is it fair to stop performing luggage checks on incoming evacuees so as
not to delay the registration process but endanger the volunteer staff and
other persons with the very realistic truth of drugs, alcohol and weapons being
brought in the shelter?

Am I less than compassionate when it frustrates me to scrub emesis from the
floor near a nauseated child while his mother lies nearby, watching me
work 26 hours straight, not even raising her head from the pillow to comfort her
own son?

Why does it incense me to hear a man say 'I ain't goin' home 'til I get my FEMA
check' when I would love to just go home and see my daughters who I
have only seen 3 times this week?

Is the system flawed when the privately insured patient must find a way
to get to the pharmacy, fill his prescription and pay his copay while the FEMA
declaration allows the uninsured person to acquire free medications
under the disaster rules?

Does it seem odd that the nurse volunteering at the shelter is paying
for childcare while the evacuee sits on a cot during the day as the shelter
provides a 'day care'?

Have government entitlements created this mentality and am I
facilitating it with my work? Will I be a bad person, merciless nurse or
poor Christian if I hesitate to work at the next shelter because I have
worked for 7 days being called every curse word imaginable, felt
threatened and feared for my personal safety in the shelter?

Exhausted and battered but hopefully pithy,

Sherri Hagerhjelm, RN"

1972 John G. Schmitz
1976 Lyndon Larousche (write in)
1980 Edward Clark
1984 Alfred E Newman (write in)
1988 Hank the Hallucination (write in)
1992 Perot
1996 Perot
2000 Nader
2004 Badnarik
2008 Paris Hilton

With that voting record, I would recommend emigration. "Other" is not an option in a two-party system.

btw - Anybody who would listen to your opinion on any subject should be presented in advance with the above list... so as to be adequately empowered to gauge it's "value".

Awww

Wassa matter "farmer"?


My not marching in lock-step with 98% of the idiots bother you?

Paris Hilton is a better choice than McCain or Obama.

FACT!

I'm personally VERY HAPPY that you choose to throw your vote away every year, Zait.

I simply point out the fact that your delusional votes demonstrate that you have a "slight" problem in distinguishing the realm of the political reality from that of fantasy...

btw - Have you ever been "FOR" anything, or are you ALWAYS "against" it. Because I can discern no commitment to ANY reasonable values in a vote FOR Paris Hilton.

There's a name for what you are, Zait. Misanthrope.

"There's a name for what you are, Zait. Misanthrope."

You make it sound like a bad thing.

"Awww


Wassa matter "farmer"?


My not marching in lock-step with 98% of the idiots bother you?


Paris Hilton is a better choice than McCain or Obama.


FACT!"

I agree. She can't possibly screw things up more than the current cast of clowns running the show.

Only if your forced to share the space with a member of the herd who shits where everyone else is trying to eat.

"With that voting record, I would recommend emigration. "Other" is not an option in a two-party system."

No where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does it say that the United States should be governed by two-party system. Nothing, but failure of imagination on the voters' part, prevents us from having a multiparty systemm.

Quit buying the two-party corporate propaganda, it will do you a lot of good.

LOL! Pass that joint this way, Zait. If it WERE possible, would the SDS'ers EVER had committed to taking over the Democratic Party in '62.

Unless you voted for Kang, you shouldn't be complaining about the policies of Kodos.

excuse me, 2586, not Zait...

btw - You two suffer from a similar "reality" problem...

Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him! The funniest thing about this is when Ron Paul warned about this in the earlier debate no one took him seriously.

Face it, Ron Paul is not anyone likely to EVER be taken seriously. He's a NUT!

"Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him!"

On the Friday when they announced the $700B bailout (9/18) I saw on TV the movie V for Vendetta, wow, what a great ending!

"Rembmer remember the 5th of November
Gun powder treason and plot
remember remember the 5th of November
there is no reason the gun powder treason should ever be forgot!"

"Face it, Ron Paul is not anyone likely to EVER be taken seriously. He's a NUT!"

FF!

He is the only SANE person in Washington, D.C.

" She can't possibly screw things up more "

Nope

And she'll paint the White House pink.

www.youtube.com

"He's a NUT!"

He's an MD (OBGYN - note Bush outtakes) who's been representing a big chunk of Texas for quite some time.

Meanwhile, back on topic...

www.house.gov

"September 29, 2008: Lipstick on a Bailout
This time last week, the biggest bailout in the history of the world seemed to be a fait accompli. Last weekend, the Fed Chairman and the Secretary of the Treasury had harsh words of doom and gloom for Congressional leaders, with the rest of the administration parroting along, and by last Monday it seemed both parties were about to fall in line and vote our Republic away by socializing the banking industry through this bailout. Foolish business behavior was about to be rewarded, and propped up a little longer, the bubble blown a little bigger, ... "

Yeah, some nut.

He's an MD

So? Timothy Leary (1920-1996) was a Harvard University professor of psychotherapy...

btw - In case Zait and 2586 are interested, there is a train that runs under the US Capitol...

"Harvard University professor of psychotherapy... "

Wrong again, goober.

Psychology

Of course your inability to distinguish between Psychology and Psychiatry is hardly a big surprise.

www.amazon.com

www.jugend-hilft-jugend.de

"btw - In case Zait and 2586 are interested, there is a train that runs under the US Capitol..."

Shhhhh! You're going to ruin the movie for those who haven't seen it!!!

www.youtube.com

I miss Leary... and Bob Wilson.

Even Bill Clinton admits that Congressional Democrats resisted Fannie/Freddie reforms.

Topic of this thread distracting you, guys? Why don't you neeners take it to the nooner thread?

The Uptick Rule!!!

Oh give me a break!!!

Of course your inability to distinguish between Psychology and Psychiatry is hardly a big surprise.

Gee, what was a psychologist doing practicing psychotherapy, then?

In the Concord Prison experiment, they administered psilocybin to prisoners, and after being guided through the trips by Leary and his associates, 36 prisoners allegedly turned their backs on crime. The normal recidivism rate of prisoners is about 80 percent, but of the subjects involved in the project, about 80 percent did not return to prison, i.e. a 20 percent recidivism rate. However, the results of this experiment have been largely contested by a follow-up study, citing several problems, including differences in the length of time after release that the study group versus the control group, and other methodology factors, including the difference between subjects re-incarcerated for parole violations versus those imprisoned for new crimes. This study concluded that only a statistically slight improvement could be shown (as opposed to the radical improvement originally reported). In his interview within the study, Leary expressed that the major lesson of the Concord Prison experiment was that the key to a long-term reduction in overall recidivism rates might be the combination of the pre-release administration of psilocybin-assisted group psychotherapy with a comprehensive post-release follow-up program modeled on Alcoholics Anonymous groups to offer support to the released prisoners. The study concluded that whether a new program of psilocybin-assisted group psychotherapy and post-release programs would significantly reduce recidivism rates is an empirical question that deserves to be addressed within the context of a new experiment.

Didn't Leery ever see "A Clockwork Orange"? Seems he was looking for his very own personal Ludovico Technique

btw - Do you even know what psychotherapy is? I didn't think so.

Listen to this Bozo ramble about how the first 300 billion Treasury bailout cured the crises and that the "regulatory problems", with all the holes in the financial system, were plugged. What a maroon! The price for FNM was still over $7/shr when he was talking...

Does anybody think that Barney Fag is going to plug the mortgage hole causing the current financial crises? He's just jealous that some people on Wall Street made money as "middlemen" for lending the "government's" money.

Well, we won't have to worry about THAT in the future. There won't BE any middlemen in the future...

We'll all be FULL BLOWN SOCIALISTS!

Of course, there won't be any money or houses, either... but that's a problem for the next president of the USSA.

Gotta love Dick Armey!

Armey's Axiom number one: "The market is rational and the government is dumb."

All the Republicans need to do now is strikeout these libtardian idiot's cleanup batter...

There is something genuinely sickening about seeing Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and others trying to stick President Bush and the Republicans with the blame for the financial meltdown that has put the American taxpayer in hock for the problem they created.

One need only read The New York Times, September 30, 1999 article by Steven A. Holmes, headlined "Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending." Only it didn't aid anything. Instead, it abandoned rational, prudent, established guidelines for lending; not the least of which is that you don't make loans to people who are unlikely to repay them.

"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders."

Holmes reported that, "Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among law and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."

The man in charge of Fannie Mae in 1999 was Franklin D. Raines, a name that has come up in connection with Sen. Barack Obama as an "advisor" on housing issues. Another former Fannie Mae CEO, Jim Johnson, led Obama's vice president search team.

In 2008, after a civil suit revealed that Raines had "manipulated earnings over a six-year period" with two others to enrich themselves. Raines agreed to pay $24.7 million, including a $2 million fine. In addition, he also gave up company stock options valued at $15.6 million. Between 1998 and 2004, according to a New York Times article, Raines and two others pocketed "hundreds of millions in bonuses."

This makes the political campaign funding Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac gave Sen. Obama even more shocking given the fact that he reaped more than any other politician, $42,116 for every year he was in the Senate. It is worth asking why Sen. Obama received roughly four times more money than any other politician during the four years he was in the Senate.

Sen. Obama's close ties to both Raines and Johnson are being largely ignored by the mainstream media as efforts are being made to make it appear that this is a Bush Administration scandal. It isn't.

In 1999, Peter Wallison, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, predicted that, "If they (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry." If you believe the media, however, you would think this was the fault of the banking and investment communities, but both were responding to significant changes in loan arrangements introduced during the Clinton Administration.

As the 1999 New York Times article noted, "By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings."

This was clearly a political ploy to secure the votes of Blacks and Hispanics by deliberately lowering loan requirements. Banks and mortgage loan companies were required to show that they had made these bad loans, thus undermining the stability of the entire financial network.

Why Sen. John McCain is not shouting this from the rooftops is another one of those campaign mysteries, but it is undeniable and is just one more reason why neither Sen. Obama, nor his fellow Democrats should be allowed to retain control of Congress and, potentially, gain control of the White House.

This bailout is necessary to restore confidence in the nation's banking and investment communities, but it started well before the Bush Administration and is grounds by itself to remove all those associated with it from public office. That can be done in part on Election Day.

Fucking Liberals! They got YouTube to remove the video!

These people hate the truth and the First Amendment, this is the way they operate, this is the way Obama operates, crusshing opisiton views.

*** What Caused Our Economic Crisis? ***

....Republicans gone wild........

You Tube and Warner Music Group today pulled a highly popular video that very succinctly and clearly spelled out the roots of the current economic crisis.

The 9:59 video entitled "Burning Down the House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis" played four different songs under a fast moving video sequence that very clearly tied Democrats like Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Barack Obama to policies and corruption related to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It cleverly showed how the "affordable mortgage" programs sent an economic virus through the entire economy and showed Republican efforts to intervene and regulate being blocked.

For Obama and all congressional Democrats, it was a devastating video.

The video had almost a perfect viewer rating and had been viewed some 1.2 million times according to the You Tube counters. Sometime around 3:45 EDT the video disappeared with the banner saying "This Video is no longer available due to a copywrite claim by Warner Music Group."

This sounds to me a lot like another front in this war for the country.

Thomas Lifson adds:

Even though I wonder if Warner is so vigilant about its music being used for videos advantageous to Democrats, there is a perfect right to object to appropriation of intellectual property. Music is a business, and if you use someone's music you have to pay a royalty.

Simply re-post the video minus its music soundtrack, and see what happens. Ot use a soundtrack of music in the public domain. I suggest Vivaldi's Four Seasons, which has a driving beat of its own in various places.

Update: Daniel J. Bianco writes in, poiting out that head of the Warner Music Group's political contributions this year are going exclusively to Democrats.

Here's a copy of the yanked video, just in case any of you "truthseekers" out there want to see the incontravertable evidence that Democrats were the CAUSE of the MELTDOWN. ;-)

YouTube? Democrats at fault? Incontravertable (sic) evidence?

FF for FJ

Incontrovertible!

Almost as incontrovertible as this...

farmer john - any idea as to WHY that party cooler video keeps getting yanked?


YouTube? Democrats at fault? Incontravertable (sic) evidence?


FF for FJ

#115 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Quick, quick! Go alert the Obama Truth Squad so the people involved in putting up this video can be put in jail, quick, quick, that is the tactic you lefties use!

It figures, these are the same jokers who want to bring back the unfairness doctrine.

FF for you too MEMBER2586 !!

"..put in jail"

BWAAAAAAAAAA

You don't know what you're talking about .... again

Once Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel realize they're losing money as right wing nutjobs are fewer and fewer in numbers and turn into a fair and balanced outlets, you nutjobs will be literally SCREAMING for the Fairness Doctrine.