Obama has surrounded himself with the same Clinton appointees that cleaned up after the last GOP financial fiasco, and left office with a 5 trillion dollar surplus. This must seem like deja vu all over again to them.

What else would she say? I want to hear why Bill isn't campaigning hard for Obama right now.

Nice to see Corky embracing this unity stuff they keep talking about. I am sure Hillary is pissed off. If Obama wins, she can't run in 2012 and will be irrelevant in 2016.

Are you talking about the Bill Clinton that signed into law the repeal of Glass Steagall, that Bill Clinton?

lofl, the usual suspects seem moody this morning. Wonder why?

Hillary was pretty certain she would win, too. For that matter, so was Cork.

I'm not voting for Obama or McCain. Not that it matters living in Illinois.

Does anybody think Hillary would say anything but she has no doubt Obama will win?

RightIsRight is, well, right, Hillary was the inevitable candidate.

Obama is back to 5 points up, and that should only increase after the debates begin and after the public realizes just what financial hand the GOP has dealt them for the next few years.

I still think Hil would be up by more than that now, but a win for Dems, any Dem, against the GOP is a win for America.

Bill said last night that Hillary didn't want to be Obama's VP.

I believe anybody would win given the situation we have with the republicans. Obama is gonna win big.

Republican crimes; Killing the constitution, wrecking our foriegn policy, corruption, collusion, socialism for the rich, marxism for the poor, and now putting the icing on the cake with a big old financial melt-down.

Hillary is not pissed. You can't be pissed and live in their world. Look for hillary to come riding in on a white stallion in 2012, after the country fully realizes the depth of the mess we are currently in and that a quick fix is impossible without major sacrifice.

That is why we do not need to pass the $700 billion bail-out. Those financial institutions need to fail because we are supposed to have free-market capitalism, remember?

This is a credit crunch. There was about to be a 30 trillion dollar run on money market funds. Without some kind of action, the dollar would be even further devalued, banks would close, and jobs would go south by the thousands.

Something had to be done, but the Dems are right about being careful how it is done and who benefits.

As it is, Wall Street is lining up to be the "consultants" hit red by the Treasury to handle this 700 billion.

Obama is on the right track, and he has the same economic team that Hill would have had.

hit red = hired

Obama is on the right track, and he has the same economic team that Hill would have had.

#12 | Posted by Corky

I say take the small sacrifice now by letting the financial institutions fail instead of postponing it until it will cause a major depression.

Obama is on the right track, and he has the same economic team that Hill would have had.

#12 | Posted by Corky
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Oh. Well then there's no difference, really--just packaging. And in that case, what were you so worked up about for the first seven months of this year? Seems kinda silly now, doesn't it?

No, not silly. There is still a chance that rwingnuts will have enough racists on their side to keep him out of the WH.

It's a tough call, you see, whether there are more racists or misogynists in the GOP.

And, we could have had the WH for 16 years instead of 8.

If it were a small sacrifice, you might be correct. But it isn't.

The big question is whether the racist assholes would have voted Rtard even if the Deomcratic candidate was white and male. That and what proportion of the fuckers will be motivated by the spectre of a black prisident to sober up long enough to vote?

It's a tough call, you see, whether there are more racists or misogynists in the GOP.

And, we could have had the WH for 16 years instead of 8.

#16 | Posted by Corky
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Well, I think we've put the misogynist question away for now, somewhat convincingly, which is more than Obama can say. Do you really think that Joe Biden was the best PERSON available, given that Hillary Clinton and Kathleen Sebelius are--last I checked--still alive? And it's somewhat presumptuous of you to know what will happen in even four months, let alone four years, then again in eight and twelve. Still, you libs know best.

Tell me one thing, though. Given that exit polling said that Obama should have won the Dem primary by 3 percentage points more he actually did, doesn't that suggest that a pretty high percentage of Dem voters are racist, but don't care to admit as much to the geeky looking guy with a clipboard in front of the polling station?

Finally, RIR said something true. There are lot's of racist democrats, just like there are lots of republican racists.

I'd be willing to bet huge sums of money (but have no way to prove it) that independents are the least racist, because independents don't follow crowd/party politics, they use their brains.

Interesting point Lippy. Let's play with Google, then:

PRINCETON, NJ -- John McCain's 6 percentage-point bounce in voter support spanning the Republican National Convention is largely explained by political independents shifting to him in fairly big numbers, from 40% pre-convention to 52% post-convention in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

and

Republican John McCain has gained ground in the battleground of New Hampshire, according to a new poll released this evening.

He leads Democrat Barack Obama 47 percent to 45 percent after having trailed by 3 percentage points in July, according to the WMUR survey.

The poll found that McCain has taken the lead among independent voters, 41 percent to 35 percent. McCain holds a 53 percent to 40 percent lead among men, while Obama holds a 50 percent to 42 percent lead among women.

I don't know how Sebelius is more qualified than Biden unless you are counting vaginas.

Exit polling isn't the same since Bush-Gore.

-they use their brains

Yes, yes. Post turtles are King.

'Post Turtles'????????

They are what fence-sitters graduate to.

"No, not silly. There is still a chance that rwingnuts will have enough racists on their side to keep him out of the WH."

You'd do better to worry about the racists in the Democrat Party keeping Him out.

Even with the racists, I believe Obama will still win by a comfortable margin. There are enough thinking independent people in this country to throw the election either way.

As I've said before, independents are less racist and both sides know they have to have independents to win.

To boil it down; 1)independents elected GWB and now are sick about that, 2)they percieve McCain as being a reincarnation of GWB, 3)they will vote for obama this election.

Are you talking about the Bill Clinton that signed into law the repeal of Glass Steagall, that Bill Clinton?

#4 | Posted by member2586 at 2008-09-23 10:49 AM | Reply

Yes--that Bill Clinton who signed the veto proof law in Nov. 1999. It was a veto proof bill intorduced by Phil Gramm called the GRAMM-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed barriers set up in 1933 to prevent another Depression Meltdown.

GRAMM is now McCains economic advisor--GRAMM also thinks we are in a "mental recession". That's the guy you want running the country---the guy who proposed the deregulation that has gotten us into this mess today.

You'd do better to worry about the racists in the Democrat Party keeping Him out.

#25 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-09-23 01:00 PM | Reply

Agreed. The polls showed many more people supported Clinton over Obama when asked to choose. The only real difference was race.

Corky - you and I went head to head in the primaries, I think things got a little nasty at some point, but I would like to say that your embrace of the democratic candidate has proven what you always said during the primaries, you want a democrat to win, end of story. You and I were on other sides of the coin in the primaries but now we are on the same side. I am privileged to have you with me, and me with you. You are exactly the kind of person I want on my side. Kick ass.

Thanks, Lil Brit.

The feeling is mutual.

Kick ass.

#29 | Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

Thanks, Lil Brit.

The feeling is mutual.

#30 | Posted by Corky

Get a room you two.

Anybody else catch BJ last night on the Daily Show? That was a pretty convincing stump for BO. I actually remembered for a minute why I liked President Clinton....

It's on hulu.com if anybody missed it.

Anybody else catch BJ last night on the Daily Show?

I caught it on TIVO...yeah for TIVO!

The people still love this guy after all we have been through and I bet they'd still re-elect him...you should have heard them cheer him.

He is still so SMOOTH!

It is nice to see him "back in the saddle" again (no, not THAT saddle!).

hey clinton, takes a loser to pick a loser.
the media made boy will lose in november.
liberals, whatcha gonna do then????

The notion that Robert Rubin and Henry Paulson are fundamentally different is absurd. You can throw Ben Bernanke, Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan into the same pot and hold them all responsible for this fucking disaster along with the Bush & Clinton Families.

Their free market, deregulatory myths have been shattered and still they persist in insisting that those that brung them must be made whole.

These pseudo-intellectuals are concerned only about preserving the position of the superrich. Country be damned, nothing else matters to them.

So in the end Obama and McCain will be led to do the same thing. Otherwise they can't have any campaign money to surrender to Corporate Media.

There are good way to support a candidate and bad but it sucks to support one because he scares you marginally less.

Because of this my support for Obama is tenuous at best.

The small lead some give to the "B" man is, in my opinion, insufficient to carry him past the hidden vote. This hidden vote is the one that occurs with many white voters in the actual booth. That's when the little man whispers in ones ear, "He's a nigger" That can be debied all you want but it is still there and in plenty.

In order to win the election Obama must go in with a substantial lead or lose to the "Little man". Sure it sucks but that is the way it is.

For Bubba or "The Dyke" to say they are certain Obama will win is pure politics.

I am far more frightened by four more year of any kind of republican. I don't think the country can afford the risk of four more years of "Shrub like" behavior. This is the saddest way to go into the final stages of the presidential election I have seen.

Add 1

The thought of this Palin woman being one heart beat away from the presidential office is way off the scary scale. The job of president is acknowledged to be the hardest and most wearing job in the world. A seventy two year old man may find he isn't able to finish out his term(s). Sarah Palin is simply not a person I want in that position.

Voting scared is what many will be doing this November. A ticket with Palin on it causes panic in my tiny self.

Vote for the least amount of fear, vote Barak Obama and sleep lightly but at least sleep!

The fact that for Keith it's even close is scariest of all. It - and the fact Barack isn't 60 percentage points ahead - are proof positive that racism still lives and Karl Rove still schemes. herm

#19 | Posted by rightisright at 2008-09-23 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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are you one of the 19% that still aprove of Ws performance???

This group makes up two types

A. Very high income earners (like like mortgage, Ins and Oil execs)

B. Dumb ass rednecks that wouldn't vote fer a Ni&*er if their left testicle depended on it.

Something tells me you aren't in group A.

hey clinton, takes a loser to pick a loser.
the media made boy will lose in november.
liberals, whatcha gonna do then????

#34 | Posted by outbacker at 2008-09-24 03:52 PM

What will you do when the curtain finally falls of this disastrous Administration? I suggest Prozac. It will help calm yer ass down while you realize what a fool you have been the last eight years to support this lunacy.

Better yet I want to know what will Bush and Cheney do without their mythical Executive Privilege to hide behind?

Even your hero Limbaugh won't "carry the water" of people who don't deserve it.

Time for a change friend.

finally falls of=finally falls on

McCain had stunted Obama's rise in polls by taking the drastic step of delaying the debate. A brilliant move. People are demanding an explanation from McCain, and he took the advantage by appearing on CBS. The debate is on.

He is playing the media well.

(While Letterman was left with liberal attack dog Olbermann).

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My jokes....

McCain has opted out of the debate and requested instead to send Rush Limbaugh to debate Obama.

Not to be outdone, the Obama camp has filed in a request to field Arianna Huffington to debate Sarah Palin.

(You heard it from here....)

Huffington-Palin debate....

Or if McCain camp object to Huffington, a list was provided....

Lindsay Lohan, Joy Behar, Whoopi, Sharon Osbourne, Margaret Cho, Tina Fey, , Monica Lewinsky (in an attempt to provide distraction), Jamie Lee Curtis (Matt Demon not considered because that would be sexist).... more to come.... Hillary said she may be on maternity leave and unavailable....

So, Clinton has no doubt that Obama will win the presidency.

A couple of weeks ago, I'd have doubted fairly strongly.

But recently, I feel less doubt about it.

I'm not thrilled about it. But it seems the safe way to wager at this point.

LUR '08: Hey, at least I admit I'm insane. The other candidates don't have the balls to admit that they are.