Fear not, the fundamentals are still strong.

82%.

How can that be with 40+% supporting the same failed policies of McAncient?

With Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary all will be fine.

"Phil Gramm as Treasury Secretary"

Now that's funny.

Well, this only proves one thing. Not all americans are total morons.

If only we could get this kind of consensus on constitutional matters, all our problems would be solved and the federal government would have to turn back their marxist ways and means.

Fear not, the fundamentals are still strong

Ha! Spud sees wot you did there.

Good 'un. FF fer Rein!

Be Well.

/A vote fer McBush is a vote fer letting Cheney and his pet chimp get away with this shit, ya know.

Just like a true spud. Eyes that cannot see.

I guess that means that Gramm and McCain must feel that 100% of the voters are a bunch of whiners!

we all should have listened to Shakespeare

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of democracy".

Margin of error +/- 100%?

Those 18 percent who do NIT see the economy as deteriorating:

I presume they are overwhelmingly for staying the course, moneywise and warwise, by proudly casting their ballots for McSame And The Floozie. They are certifiably insane, as per Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. herm

Do NOT see...Damned thing publishes before I'm ready. her

82% could be totaly wrong. Even economists don't know for sure. With the electorate split, they are saying, there is no dofference between tweedle dee Mac and tweedle dumb flop.

I wonder just how much the word "legacy" is being spoken of around the WH?

I think they say Legsy if they use it at all. The Legsy will be in the Libry

And I think W is now entering the "Death-wish" phase.

Oh gee, imagine that! No one thinks the economy is getting better? The NERVE! Just because all the houses on Wall Street are tumbling down? The ONLY bright spot on this horizon is that the Democrats STOPPED BUSH FROM INVESTING OUR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH THOSE CROOKS!

Barry Goldwater has spun so far out of his grave, he is the newest satellite orbiting Earth!

Welol, somebody's economy got $9 billion stronger thanks to the GOP organized looting and pillaging. And that's just Iraq.

A former top Iraqi official told U.S. senators today that roughly $9 billion in American money meant for reconstruction projects was involved in waste, fraud and abuse.

Salom Adhoob, a former chief investigator at Iraq's Commission on Public Integrity -- which is considered the equivalent of the FBI in the United States -- said at a hearing of the Democratic Policy Committee today that he and his agency had done investigations showing the money was misused in fraud and abuse. In one case, he said the Iraqi Ministry of Defense helped create front companies to funnel the money.

Adhoob said that at the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, some Iraqi officials got kickbacks in contracts to buy such things as bulletproof vests and Humvees. Some of the deals, he said, involved U.S. contractors, and the equipment often didn't arrive or was damaged.

In other instances, U.S. reconstruction projects "never existed" or were poorly built or incomplete. He said in one case $24.4 million was spent on an electricity project that "existed only on paper."

Adhoob also said that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki blocked corruption investigations into kickbacks that benefited Iraqi officials and that U.S. officials in Iraq "turned a blind eye" when told of the problems with U.S. funds.

With all that's going on, I cannot believe that there is a pollster in America able to find a McThusaleh supporter, but that 13% who think the economy is holding fine prove that the delusional are still out there.

Fubar--nuff said!!!

At least when the crash of 1929 launched the last century's Great Depression, I don't think 13 percent of the populace denied that it was taking place. herm

sitdown - Absolutely!

I guess I meant dawnglo's #16

82% could be totaly wrong

FWTHOM-well about 50% were totally wrong in 200 and 2004.

Which is why we're in this sinkhole.

GOOD!

Obama will win and then we can start rebuilding our country after Obama proves that the 2-party system is dead.

Let History Judge Me!

Which is why we're in this sinkhole.
Really?

0% Think Economy Is Getting Better. So, most believe Obama will win....bringing back a Jimmah Carter style economy. Which means unemployment, inflation and interest rates will worsen much more....back to Carteresque numbers. So of course it's not getting better. For those that doubt this....just go ahead and type in today's unemployment rate, interest rates and inflation rate and then type what is was in Saint Carter's day.

Midtown-
re: "These two entitiesFannie Mae and Freddie Macare not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Who was the majority Republican chair of the FSC in the Republican held Congress in 2003?

Midtowwn-
I'm just curious as to how you can blame Barney Frank, however wrong he might have been, when he was not in the majority, and the White House was not held by his party.

Thoughts?

Midtown-
At least by now I hope you have comprehended the fact that the Republicans held Congress and the WH from 2002-2006, during which time they got pretty much everything they wanted. And from 2000 to the present, Bush could veto anything he didn't like.

(Psst-Betelg)-Don't confuse righties with facts-it makes their widdow heads hurt.......;)

during which time they got pretty much everything they wanted.
Apparently not this act.

I'm just curious as to how you can blame Barney Frank, however wrong he might have been, when he was not in the majority, and the White House was not held by his party.
Because I see the statements he made and the positions he took. It is very easy for someone to block votes on bills or to add amendments to bills to water the bill down or make it unacceptable. That is exactly what he did in order to keep the regulatory responsibility of Freddie and Fannie in congress instead of an independent board. He did not want them to have to be subjected to the same oversight as other public companies, even after the Sarbanes-Oxley act was passed which detailed the guidelines for oversight.

(Psst-Betelg)-Don't confuse righties with facts-it makes their widdow heads hurt.......;)
FrankFarter55 show me one single fact in any post i've just provided that is incorrect or even inaccurate. Do you know the difference between fact and Obama talk?

fact is the economy started to go to sh*t when the dems took over the house and senate.

gas then was $2.20 per, unemployment 4.4% etc...

not to mention it's the dems and their friends who couldn't keep their dirty little fingers out of the fannie and freddie money.. then there is Rangle, oh my god what a crook!!! I could go on and on

this will be the Oct surprise this time around

Apparently not this act.

#33 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2008-09-22 08:09 PM

Why not? Frank didn't chair the FSC; a Republican did (and you don't even know who!); the Democrats were in the minority both on this committee and in the Congress (both houses), and a Republican was POTUS, so why don't you tell me why they didn't get this "act" that they really wanted?

I'm really curious.

Midtown-
The truth is you were fed a bucket of horseshit with a nice quote, and you stopped right there.

#35 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2008-09-22 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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W got what he wanted and this obviously wasn't what he wanted...

The "accoutability" party doesn't seem to have any, for anything.

"accountability"

See, even I can do it.

See, even I can do it.

So? that is a very low standard.

So? that is a very low standard.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2008-09-22 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was my point. Thanks for stressing it for me.

Eberly-
After 9/11, and specifically after the 2002 midterms, the Bush administration and the Republican Congress had political power unknown since the WWII era, and they got everything they wanted for years.

But it's Barney Frank's fault?

You folks are pathetic.

Betleg,

I had to scroll thought this thread to see where Barney Frank was mentioned. I never said anything about Barney Frank and I don't even know who did.

I don't even care.

Eberly-
It's clear that you can't be bothered about many things. Carry on.

Betleg,

you go ahead and piss down your pants despite the fact that you probably have nothing in savings and $500 in your checking account and you rent.

big risk taker you are......a lot of skin in the game.

carry on

Eberly-
Wow. Who's the "elitist" again?

Thanks GW Bush you f'ing hands off idiot.

Eberly-
BTW, all of my "skin" is in the game. Everyones "skin" is in the game.

Down down down down! -Springstein

you go ahead and piss down your pants despite the fact that you probably have nothing in savings and $500 in your checking account and you rent.

It kind sounds like envy here, the supposed preacher of positive post is now showing his negative true colors.

What's really interesting is Obama said this exact thing and he didn't need a poll.

DISASTER CAPITALISM

ITS A METHOD, A SYSTEM FOR FUCKING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, A VERY PROFITABLE ENTERPRIZE INDEED.

It's not capitalism--it's the friggen crooks on Wall street

They broke the trust and it's all coming home and we the taxpayers are getting stuck with the tab--

"It's not capitalism--it's the friggen crooks on Wall street"

What's the difference?

Murphy-
Yes. We are bailing out investment banks and Wall Street, including foreign owned banks, and not the minorities and the poor who the Limbaughs of the world blame this shit on.

This headline cracks me up.

I've never seen a poll where not even 1% of those polled don't think things will get any better.

Usually there's one Pollyanna in the bunch looking thru rose-colored glasses but not this time.

Here's a song to cheer up the 100% of Americans (according to this headline) who don't think the economy will get any better.

they didn't contact RIR. He thinks things are hunky dory.

Lots of stupid democrats had no problem voting for Phil Gramm when he was a democrat.

Also Phil Gramm spearheaded the Reagan Tax Cuts as a democrat in the house which have brought most of the economic prosperity of the last 25 years.

2ndcrusade you deserve to pay higher taxes. Learn to face reality.

American-
You'll have to excuse Pinche. He just got his ass kicked sideways and is spoiling for a fight.

where is REX??/ MMA is starting

BETELG

I'm a realist. PINCHE is among the 1 in 5 Americans who amazingly still believe George W Bush is doing a good job.

He's kind of in the 'Special Olympics' category of posters.

He just got his ass kicked sideways and is spoiling for a fight.

You're so confused, you don't even know what thread you're posting in.

Go gather your thoughts and present them rationally.

That's how you win debates, Boyd.

Pinche-
I'll gather them again:

You are a capitalist rugged individualist free market kinda guy until your investments are threatened, in which case you want the taxpayers to bail your ass out. You are for private profit (yours), but when times are bad and your investments are threatened you wish to socialize your "risk" and have the rest of us pick up the tab.

Did I put too fine a point on it, shitty Mao?

I'm quite wiling to kick your ass around the blog for days on this, Mao. At my leisure, of course.

Yawn!!! I'll have to pick this up tomorrow, or whenever I feel like it.

you go ahead and piss down your pants despite the fact that you probably have nothing in savings and $500 in your checking account and you rent.

I sure wish McCain would say something like this so that he could alienate another large portion of the population. I'm sure it would do wonders for his already tarnished image.

The people you described above will be effected more adversely than anyone with a few grand in the bank and a nice stock portfolio.

so they have plenty of room to talk.

Off to work now where I earn my shitty paycheck that doesn't earn me the right to speak out about shitty economic policy from the party you love.

Ask yourself, where did all that wealth dissappear to?

Its mostly a secret.

But, here's one example: Before Lehman went bankrupt, they transfered $8 billion from London to New York. They established a special $2.5 billion account to distribute bonuses to all the "executives" that drove the company into the ground. Then Barclays bought what was left for $1.75 billion.

Carlyle pulled a similar stunt, but you better not try it because MBNC Bank, which wrote the bankruptcy law for Congress has a legion of lawyers, paid for with tax dollars, waiting to attack any individual that dares to try it. One potential tenant, with bad credit, had tried and failed for five years. But any Corporation can do it anytime they want.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2008-09-22 08:54 PM |

Eberly, just expressing concern for all those little fundamentals John McCain and Lady Rothschild care so very much about.

So where's the other 3.75?

Ask yourself, where did all that wealth dissappear to?

Its mostly a secret.

It's a secret but a lone dude on a blog who calls himself 'nutcase' knows.

All righty then. I'm convinced the story is true.

Off to work now where I earn my shitty paycheck that doesn't earn me the right to speak out about shitty economic policy from the party you love.

more assignment of position from others. what else is new?

Eberly, just expressing concern for all those little fundamentals John McCain and Lady Rothschild care so very much about.

I could care less about McPalin. I've said it before that I would vote for Obama.

My comment was directed at boydBetlegetc... Apparently some others here must think I was talking to them.

It kind sounds like envy here, the supposed preacher of positive post is now showing his negative true colors.

#52 | Posted by moneywar

LOL

Crasswar espousing his opinion about "envy".

As though it doesn't flow from every post he has ever submitted.

Goatman,

Most Wall Street transactions are secret, completely if conducted by private firms, but less so if publically traded. When you consider the size of the "derivatives market" its frightening.

You don't have to go any further than the Huffington Post, which connects you to a British Newspaper, to see the Lehman Brothers numbers.

But go ahead, discredit me without lifting a finger, its the Hannity/Limbaugh way, very profitable liars, working for even bigger crooks and liars.

Fear not, the fundamentals are still strong.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

sure and lets have a little reminder of the economy up until recent events

lowest employment in history or for long time and MUCH lower than during the clinton golden(shower) years.......

.....I can get that shit into ANY DISCUSSION< CANT I..............

bush was greeted with a recession after the dotcom bust from the 90's.....( not a slam against clinton, but a reminder of the economy and its cycles)......

9/11.........almost destroyed the airline industry and how many other things....(of course we are required to forget about 9/11 and NEVER EVER EVEN bring it up ........

sure there were other problems, but one more time..
mccain NEVER said there wasnt a crisis that needed immidiate attention

heaven help him that he didnt try and SCARE people like others........

and before I am attacked by liberal fucks, I am in NO WAY saying that everything is rosy and hunkydory so dont even try it.........

its some serious shit that could wreck us for a long time to come

BLT,

You are needed in Iraq, even if the surge is working.