John McCain's obvious role for decades in undoing regulations that led to this financial crisis will be the story for a week or two once the dust settles and the press scrutinizes his statements as a 'reformer' against his decades of strong opposition to regulation, and role in undoing safeguards that were put in place during the Great Depression to avoid this similar crisis.

"The one thing that frightens me more than anything else are the ideologues. We've seen too many," said 80-year-old Air Force veteran Donn Spegal, a lifelong Republican from St. Petersburg, who sees McCain's new running mate as the kind of "wedge issue" social conservative that has made him disenchanted with his party."

Independent voter Bill Chever, 56, another Air Force veteran from St. Petersburg, said he has voted Republican four times and Democrat three times in the last seven presidential races. He likes and trusts Obama but not Obama's party. Democrats have done nothing of consequence while controlling Congress, Chever said, but he's particularly bothered that the Palins are not cooperating in the "Troopergate" investigation into whether she fired the state police chief for not firing her former brother-in-law from the Alaska state police.

"Here we go with Dick Cheney and his group that's not going to talk to anybody," Chever said. "She is Dick Cheney with a dress on."

"It's McCain's beliefs," said Annette Maakestad, 57, of St. Petersburg, explaining why she's shifting toward Obama. "I don't think he's changed or he's going to change his party that much. People who think that someone's going to get in there and make changes that are that dramatic, they're off their rocker."

AmericanUnity,

Palin was a pick to fire up the base, of course she is gonna alienate independents.

McCain had counted on Hillary voters to flock to Sarah solely because she has a vagina.

Mr. 894 of 899 strikes again.

"John McCain's obvious role for decades in undoing regulations that led to this financial crisis will be the story for a week or two once the dust settles and the press scrutinizes his statements as a 'reformer' against his decades of strong opposition to regulation, and role in undoing safeguards that were put in place during the Great Depression to avoid this similar crisis."

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-19 08:02 PM | Reply |

Sadly, LOL.

I already have our Halloween tombstone decoration ready to go - "Here lies John McCain, and he also lies over there. He lies EVERYWHERE!"

Palin is to women as Clarence Thomas is to Blacks.

Palin should scare the crap out of any rational person.

What's really scary is the prospect of hearing this "voice" for the next 4 years or more...

Warning: put your dogs in another room before playing...

Scary is the word. The last thing we want is that no-brains with her finger on the button.

Simply picking a dangerously conservative idealogue like Palin was nothing more than a McCain twist on wedge politics - just like the fear that a gay couple getting married could somehow desanctify marriage and cause a divorce tomorrow or something brought out the religious bigots in droves to vote, so now does Palin. The part where it all may backfire is exactly what this headline says - wedge politics not only fire up the base, but often decide undecideds, only republicans should have seen that the wedge isn't as likely to divide the surplus to their side this time. Eventually, people start to notice that the wool over their eyes has been hiding something not in their best interest, even if it seems to take the average voter an absurdly long time.

***** Focus Group: Palin Scaring Off Florida Independents *****

.......why ?......

....haven't the pussies met a VP that was above the law before ?........

I ain't votin' this year fuck it!

Many more Americans now know what "Neocons" are and the people involved in the Neocons ideology. Sarah is now in their grip and prime for the plucking. We don't need another 4 years of Neocon rampage and war thoughout the world. The more I hear and read about Palin I have no doubt she is solidly in the Neocon camp. areMany "independent" voters are wising up too.

When AIPAC and Joe Lieberman are giving Palin their private Neocon tutorials every day, and one of the chief Neocons, William Kristol, is slobbering over her candidacy on every tv show then you KNOW you've she's being molded into a Neocon. With Palin's far right evangelical background which advocates war on behalf of Israel as part of her deep religious belief, then it won't take much to get her to bomb the Middle Eastern countries on their behalf. She hasn't shut-up about her desire to nuke Iran since the day she first opened her mouth.

How about trying a little diplomacy first before we run around nuking everyone?
Do you know the payback that will come the way of our boys in Iraq should we nuke Iran for Israel? We have 160,000 U.S. military in Iraq. I'm not willing to sacrifice their lives for the Neocons. Payback by Iran will be a bitch.

Educate yourself, learn about the Neocons and their philosophy. GWB was not a Neocon. But he was put in their grip in the White House and now has a destroyed presidency. If they sink their claws into Palin, they will destroy her too and take our country down along with her. Neocons are a small and extremely radical group within the Republican party and they must be cleased out. It will take normal, regular Repubicans to do the job. They better get going.

I had real problems with Palin having five children and always shoving them behind her lust for the political limelight. I said it a number of times when we all started to first post our opinions when she was foisted on us by McCain. Looks like I'm not the only one who feels that way judging by this woman's comment which is the same as how I felt.

"I'm truly offended by Palin,'' said Republican Philinia Lehr, 37, of Largo, a full-time mother with a nursing degree who voted for George Bush in 2004. Like Palin, she has five children and she doesn't buy that the Alaska governor can adequately balance her family and the vice presidency.

"You're somebody's mom and what are you going to do, say, 'Excuse me, country, hold on?' She's preaching that she's this mom of the year and taking that poor little baby all over everywhere. And, you know, what she's doing to her 17-year-old daughter is just appalling.'' Lehr said she's bothered by the way Palin's pregnant daughter has been brought into the national spotlight.

The liberal media trying to deceive and scare the average folks --- it ain't working! Palin is pulling crowds and votes for McCain.

Scary Failin' should not only scare off progressives and independents but real conservatives as well.

Especially the fiscal variety.

The only people a real hard look at Failin' shouldn't scare off are the extremist Talibaptists and their Forever War bretheren.

She is a dyed in the wool Neo-Con hack brought onboard to enlived a moribund ticket and to offer red meat to the true believers.

She's doesn't believe in abortion even in the case of incest, rape of to save the life of the mother, she defines anything short of condoms or the rythym method as "abortion". She believes creationism should be taught in schoools, that more drilling is the cure to Aemrica's energy woes, that Global Warming is a hoax and that the polar bear aint in danger. She thinks herself above the law and thinks a town of 7,000 should deserves millions of dollars worth of pork.

She's one scary chick.

Sarah --- you go girl!

The liberal media can't be trusted --- after what they did to you and haven't recoverd yet. The mainstream folks are not taking their orders from the liberal media!

Geez, this looney toon should scare off anyone with even one working brain cell left! She believes she won the governorship of Alaska because a WITCH HUNTER laid hands on her and prayed over her! She believes that Alaska will be a refuge for the - what - Rapture? End of times? She believes the END OF TIMES WILL COME IN HER LIFETIME and wanna bet if she ever gets anywhere NEAR the White House she does her best to bring it about? She is scary. Very, very scary. People need to sit up and take notice of this whacko who could, God forbid, actually become the president of the United States. She is already SAYING that she will be president of the United States. That remark she made on Thursday about the "Palin-McCain administration" was NOT a Freudian slip. I saw it and it sure looked like that was EXACTLY what she meant to say. Scary, scary, scary. Be very afraid.

I know the liberal elite and the liberal media are in panic mode and getting hysterical --- because a McCain-Palin win will send them to deep depression.

Maybe the liberals can then use the time to reflect deeply and discover how far out of touch they are with mainstream America.

Even the comedians are getting bitter and ugly with a smile --- Maher, Stewart, Letterman ....

...a McCain-Palin win will send them to deep depression.

~Tacky-sleazy

If by "them" you mean the "American Economy" then Spud would hafta agree.

Be Well.

/Did ya see?
//Did ya see wot Spud did there?

After this past week, I would think Obama should be the one scaring everyone. Frank Raines is just one of Obama's greatest supporters and Obama has been seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.

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There were many moments of high entertainment during last week's House hearings on Fannie Mae's creative accounting. But our favorite was the Mister Magoo performance given by Barney Frank (D., Massachusetts) after learning that Fannie had handed out $245 million in bonuses over five years. Mr. Frank chided Fannie CEO Frank Raines and CFO Tim Howard, saying, "At the level of compensation you get, we ought to be able to count on you to do your very best without additional incentives."

Here's a case of misplaced moral outrage if we've ever seen one. Mr. Franks is mad about the salaries when he really should be mad at the rigged political game that has made them possible. Fannie's regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, has reported that Fannie has been cooking its books. Add that to the increasing evidence that Fannie has been ignoring its mission to provide affordable housing, and we wonder if Mr. Frank doesn't need an eye checkup.

Ditto for the good liberals in the Congressional Black Caucus. Members of this group are often the loudest defenders of Fannie and her brother, Freddie Mac. Can it be that the annual donations made by the Fannie Mae Foundation to the Caucus have blurred their vision too?

Maxine Waters (D., California) cooed all over Mr. Raines, and Clay Lacy (D., Missouri) played the race card by calling the hearings a "political lynching" of Mr. Raines, who is African-American. Are CEOs not supposed to be accountable simply because they're persons of color? By the way, Roger Barnes, the whistle-blower who was fired by Fannie after complaining about its accounting procedures, is also black. In a more consistent world -- where political principles mean something -- these liberals would be scorching a company that used a government subsidy to enrich its own executives. Instead, they're defending it.

The default position for Fannie's defenders is that the giant mortgage finance company provides more affordable housing. At least that's Fannie's declared mission and that's why the government offers it an implicit subsidy. But as study after study has demonstrated, Fannie does not provide homeowners with significant savings.

Obama's ties with ACORN and their push for insisting on loans to minorities even if they weren't able to repay the loans is something many of you may not be aware of. What? You didn't know about Obama and ACORN??

First, keep in mind: Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

William (Bill) Ayers, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and a friend of the Obamas, was instrumental in founding the Challenge, thanks to his ties to Mayor Richard Daley. The first Daley was also a pal of Thomas Ayers, Bill's father, former CEO of ComEd (owned by Exelon).

[Incidentally, the current CEO of ComEd, Frank M. Clark, is a major money bundler for the Obama campaign.]

You'll recall from Wednesday's story that the Annenberg files have suddenly been locked down under mysterious circumstances, after a reporter was promised access.

Factcheck.org, used as a resource by so many who wish to "debunk" negative coverage of Obama, is also a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

You'll recall that Factcheck was the second site to publish the now-suspect Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) reportedly received from the Obama campaign.

[The Annenberg Foundation and family has an interesting history that we may examine in more detail.]

Second, keep in mind that ACORN has received payments of nearly a million dollars from the Barack Obama Campaign in 2008, as NancyA reported on this blog Aug. 15. Apparently the payments were funneled through Citizens Services Inc., and may have been falsely reported to the FEC.

The Senator has been working with ACORN since his first days as a Community Organizer in Chicago:

"In 1992, Acorn Hired Mr. Obama To Run A Voter Registration Effort. He Later Became A Trainer For The Group, As Well As Its Lawyer In Election Law Cases." (John Fund, Op-Ed, "Obama's Liberal Shock Troops," "The Wall Street Journal", 7/12/08 )

and

"Representing ACORN, Obama And Other Attorneys Sued The State Of Illinois, Forcing It To Implement Federal "Motor Voter" Legislation That Makes It Easier For The Poor And Minorities To Register To Vote." ("Some Cases Obama Worked On In His Career As An Attorney," "The Associated Press", 2/20/07). Hence again impartiality is not possible.

The liberal media trying to deceive and scare the average folks --- it ain't working! Palin is pulling crowds and votes for McCain.

#17 | Posted by takitez

Crowds leave in droves when Palin's done speaking. Her approval rating is flipping to the 'tank' category. McCain/Palin are being exposed every day as (to put it nicely) "untruthful" rants coming out of their desperate campaign are proven false day by day. Troopergate "Hold me accountable" Palin now doesn't WANT to be held accountable.

Ya, sure. It's all the press doing this, right?

Facts as I see them.

He threatened to kill a member of the governors family when she was a mayor.

He violated restraining orders., (for which the right to own a weapon is generally surrendered)

He drove a state DPS vehicle impaired enough that a fellow officer made him pull over, and then, gave him a ride home, again avoiding the legal consequences that apply to you or I, or anybody else who broke drinking and driving rules.

He used an issued weapon on a minor child. A weapon that has killed unexpectedly in the past, due to unknown medical conditions of the person on the receiving end. This immaturity and disregard for laws that apply to us all, and for which you or I would pay dearly, has gone unchallenged, because of strong union and political protection.

It seems that the administration had justifiable reasons to inquire, as to why this officer wasn`t fired.. and what mechanism is preventing justice from being applied to state troopers that would be applied unflinchingly to you or I.

A union can be a good thing when unfairness and nepotism and favoritism pervades an industry or workplace. But it becomes a devisive special interest, fighting all criticisms, when it is found to harbor law violators.. as is evident in this case.

This is a politically motivated response by the governors enemies to her overwhelming mandate to clean up the corruption in this state, and take a stand against an industry thet has led Alaska closer to becoming a vassal state instead of an owner state. Follow the money as high as it goes, and you will find those leading the hue and cry against this popularly elected governor.

Money buys media time. Hitler held power because he repeated a lie so often that people beleived it. Certain media neocons have become nothing but mouthpieces for those interests alligned against this very good and devoted governor.

It is part of the job of an administration to inquire, when the justice system appears to have obviously broken down, as to why and how,.. and what it takes to repair it. These forces can and do resist any efforts to delve into cronyism and favoritism when it comes to applying the law equally and fairly.

The state troopers are not above the law. I want to know why he wasn`t fired too. I want to know why laws don`t apply to state troopers, that are vigorously enforced against the citizens,, the people they are supposed to be working FOR.

from another blog

Is anyone else getting REALLY REALLY tired of having to scroll past UnAmerican's cut-n-paste posts?

HEY dipshit, the links will do!

AnAmerican-
What blog would that be?

BTW, two points:

1. Your unspecified other blog writes of accusations as if they were established facts.

2. Palin insists that her demotion of the commissioner had nothing to do with all that, so why concentrate on the brother-in-law as if it had anything to do with it? Palin insists she applied no pressure to have him fired.

This is hardly a real scandal. Commissioners serve at the pleasure of the governor and if the governor doesn't like a commissioners shirt they can dismiss them.

BTW, I've got a ways to go before I exceed AmericanUnity's cut and paste history.

BTW, I've got a ways to go before I exceed AmericanUnity's cut and paste history.

If that were true then he'd also be wrong, but I just went through his posts, and you are MUCH worse. So STOP it!

What? One day, whats left? Go check the last month.

What? One day, whats left? Go check the last month.

I'm going to complain to YOU about it. As soon as you stop it you are welcome to complain to him.

LOL Did you ever or will you ever call him down or are you complaining to me because you really don't have a problem with him doing it?

I've never seen AU cut and paste at even close to the same volume as you. I have no objection to small amounts of cut and paste, such as a sentence, or maybe a paragraph, along with proof of its origin. There is NO reason to fill threads with the bodies of articles, rather than discussion.

Check out this blog entry and subsequent cuts and pastes by American Unity on 9/13, whatsleft.:

In your example I believe AU posts the article that is the subject of the thread. AU has probably done so because the article is on a website that everyone would have to sign up to view otherwise.

YOU are bringing the bodies of entirely different articles into the thread, and trying to deflect the discussion to them, instead of the original article.

If you don't understand the difference you are retarded.

No, I am RIGHT which seems to be the real crux of your problem. It's not my problem or concern if you don't like the content.

No, the crux of my problem is that morons like you even exist. I never even bothered reading the content of your paste jobs, but they ARE disruptive.

WHATSLEFT

You're right. I usually only cut and paste if I'm adding highlights from an article for a thread I put up. Once in awhile I'll paste a small piece from an article if it is directly related to the point of my post.

Palin's popularity is fading as she's slowly becoming a drag on the GOP ticket as this article points out - regardless of AnAmerican's deflections.

People like you that label someone "a moron that shouldn't exist" is a testament to the type of people Obama attracts.

BTW, your good friend, Rangel, calling Palin disabled is another good example of the loony left.

maybe cause she was quoting an anti-semite in her RNC speech.

The question was simple: Why are the Democrats so afraid of Palin and her popularity?

"You got to be kind to the disabled," Rangel said.

CBS 2 HD: "You got to be kind to the disabled?"

Rangel: "Yes."

...Rangel, calling Palin disabled is another good example of the loony left.

#41 | Posted by UnAmerican

Rangel is as retarded as you are, and is by NO means my friend. I'll bet we never get a like admission from you, that Palin is even MORE retarded then you are.

""You got to be kind to the disabled," Rangel said. "

He was probably referring to Palin's "voice," a disability if there ever was one.

Listen for yourself, but get dogs, cats, and small children out of the room for your safety and theirs.

Tell me how you really feel, whatsleft. Obama would be proud of you.

too late

Can't be any worse than this one, Null.

Obama would be proud of you.

#46 | Posted by anamerican

For keeping a fuckwit like you from spamming the threads with paste for at least a couple of hours? He might be.

For keeping a fuckwit like you from spamming the threads with paste for at least a couple of hours? He might be.

#49 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2008-09-20 08:34 PM

Especially when someone is exposing him. LOL

"Can't be any worse than this one, Null."

Yeah, but at least his voice doesn't kill puppies.

uh....I..I...take of..fense to that...uh....remark...uh

Spit it out, man!

Exposing him to what?

Sign of panic and sleaze: Obama is going about in Florida telling senior citizens McCain will mess with their social security.

It might come back to haunt him: McCain might rub this sleaze on Obama's face before the nation in their debate.

Someone might come out looking like a clown!

(Either side: watch what you say --- it can be turned against you. In a combat, it is better to hold the handle and let your opponent hold the blade).

Exposing him to what?

#53 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2008-09-20 08:38 PM

And you call me the retarded one?? LOL

Hold on a second. I can't hear myself. (dead silence) But I'm glad your'e fired up though.

LOL

You ARE the retarded one, and I have become tired of you.

Your disruptive paste jobs have been pointed out. Hopefully someone will change the moderation policy accordingly, but it's not my site, so paste on.

Bye

Bye......I'm glad you finally acknowledged its not your site to monitor. Mighty commendable of you.

However, I will surely remember your comment that someone like myself is a moron that shouldn't exist. And you wonder why those of us on the right talk about the elitism of the left. Wonder no more.

Anamerican-
It would be better if you provided links whenever you cut-n-paste. That way, you could just cut-n-paste a paragraph, provide the link, and not gum up everything by pasting an entire rant (without even providing the link!). Anyone who is interested could then click on the link you provided and read the whole thing.

"Sign of panic and sleaze: Obama is going about in Florida telling senior citizens McCain will mess with their social security."

That's it???? That's your sign of panic? Obama campaigning in Florida, discussing Social Security, is a sign of panic??? Failing to mention SS in Florida might be something to note, but this? You've got to be kidding!

Meanwhile, you have to admit that what you claimed is a bunch of bullshit next to this:

Why Obama acts like he's 10 points up in the polls

Why are they so calm in Obama-land? I can't find an account of Obama yelling at anyone during the entire campaign, and it's not just the candidate who seems calm. His aides aren't perfect, but given the level of chatter in the political echo chamber doubting their work, you'd expect them to be more snappish or bleary-eyed. There are no blind quotes from disgruntled aides sniping at each other in the press, which seems almost to defy human natureeven in the sunniest organizations, pressure plus high stakes usually creates at least one misanthrope (or, as we like to call them: sources). Even the famously disciplined Bush 2000 operation went squirrely in August under the pressure.

However, I will surely remember your comment ....

#58 | Posted by anamerican

lol

Worse than that is posted by idiots like YOU on this site on a daily basis, so now you're just being a whiney retard.

I see you took up copy-n-paste again on another thread, within an hour of my leaving. Too bad you have so little to say that you think you need to fill the site with the words of others, PastyAmerican.

Not scaring enough of them off to keep McCain from having a lead in the Florida polls.

Maybe the "diversity" of Obama supporters is scaring off even more people. the Obama supporters include a black man, a convicted murderer, who while in the process of being executed urges voters to support Obama, a black Obama supporter dissing Palin because there are not enough crackheads in Alaska (as there are in Chicago - including the Democrat Party candidate), a black hate-monger, hate-America, hate-whitey, hate-Jews Obama mentor, Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Minister of the Nation of Islam black hate group, and for the diversity, white "Bomber Bill" Ayers, founder and participant in the domestic terrorist group, the Weathermen, and white comedienne Sarah Bernhardt, whose new routine contains her fantasies of Ms Palin being gang-raped by blacks if she entered Harlem.

Yes indeed. The general public will be frightened by Ms Palin, and embrace Obama and the Obama supporters, people who are so intoxicatingly atractive.

Why even the Florida Jews, super-liberals intoxicated by the phrase "social justice," may be alienated by the assemblage (especially the vocal Jew Haters) that supports Obama's election. What endorsements. They should make Obama proud. And why do all of these people endorse Obama? The unifying thread among them is that they consider America to be "evil." They sense a kndred soul in Candidate Obama, and the validation of his views by his grievance collecting wife, Michelle.

How about a bumper sticker. "

Support Obama.
Punish America

Or another.

Elect Obama
He'll punish Americans

After all, what better way to assuage your guilt than to arrange for your flagellation. Elect Obama and your flesh will be mortified. Atone. Atone. Expiate your sins through suffering. You shall be forgiven for your sins as you suffer under the aegis of his occupancy of the office.

Well, there goes the Christian vote. Jesus died for our sins.

Now who wants to undergo a period of suffering by electing an associate of "hate-America" people?

Has Rangel been stripped of his committee chairmanship yet, or is he a beneficianry of different strokes? Here Rangel has a "forensic accountant" trying to remedy his oversights in reporting property ownership and income.

Old Charley is sure living it up for a poor fellow, who only had "the audacity of hope," and a complacent electorate to provide him with a sinecure. Old Charley is now the national arbiter of taste and conscience. He might function better as a legislator emeritus. Let's emulate the Romans and make him an elected official for life without burdening him with the need to serve and vote. Let's make old Charley a supernumerary, a superfluous person, and relieve him of the duties of office.

I oppose prosecution of Charley. I think that he should be allowed to retire in Bermuda and enjoy his dotage. Being a superannuated guy, it's possible that old Charley just lacks the hormonal input and libido to appreciate Palin's allure.

Associate of hate-America people. Well, more than that, Obama is an intimate of hate-American people.

After all, what better way to assuage your guilt than to arrange for your flagellation. Elect Obama and your flesh will be mortified. Atone. Atone. Expiate your sins through suffering. You shall be forgiven for your sins as you suffer under the aegis of his occupancy of the office.
#63 | Posted by Johnson

Johnson, I never thought of it that way, but you're right! This is the best reason to vote for Obama other than changing the color of America, making it safe for African-Americans to succeed.

This is the best reason to vote for Obama other than changing the color of America, making it safe for African-Americans to succeed.

#66 | Posted by Eddie at 2008-09-21 01:17 AM

Do you have any idea how both of the reasons put forth in your statement sound?

Change the color of America? Gee, I didn't know that was Obama's goal and how does his winning the Presidency change the color of America?

Making it safe for African-Americans to succeed? Is it currently unsafe for an African-American to succeed?

Amazing -- Piranha Barracuda has that scratchy chalk on a blackboard voice that almost makes Dubya's twang sound comforting! Amazingly, too, they both call atomic energy nookyuler energy! Could they be twins separated at birth?

That crazy lady from Alaska is even scaring Floridians! She's going to be a popular Halloween costume.

Trig or Treat!

"Well, there goes the Christian vote. Jesus died for our sins."
so Jesus, who is God and can't die, died for our sins, what a sacrifice! go for it!

******* "Well, there goes the Christian vote. Jesus died for our sins."
so Jesus, who is God and can't die, died for our sins, what a sacrifice! go for it!

.....Posted by onna *******

......he couldn't really kill himself, so he went and sat on somebodies toast for a week in Kickapoo, Tennessee......

We'll take Palin and whatever voter turn off she might bring. There will be a sizeable net gain for Reps with her on the ticket. Rep base turnout will be much larger than if McCain had gone with someone like Pawlenty.

Plus, there will be some Reagan Democrats, especially female ones, who'll take a much closer look at the Rep ticket.

It's all conjecture, whether it's Oohrah or the article writer, or other posters' opinions. If nothing else, the Palin pick has injected a good dose of passion on both sides of the aisle.

If nothing else, the Palin pick has injected a good dose of passion on both sides of the aisle.

Passion perhaps, experience, know how, talent.

Not so much...

As a old friend from NC wrote me shortly after the "Now with a very attractive, white, female on the Republican's side - I think it's going to be a good race."

Pretty pathetic...

"There will be a sizeable net gain for Reps with her on the ticket. Rep base turnout will be much larger than if McCain had gone with someone like Pawlenty."

Of course, you're overlooking the increase in turnout of Americans who will do anything to avoid hearing Palin's puppy-killing voice for the next 4 years.

ZAP-
Just as Obama chose Biden to shore up concerns about experience and foreign policy gravitas, McCain went with the younger, very conservative Palin to firm up his base and pick off those who might be pissed that Hillary got dissed.

Serious question for you: At what point does being a governor "qualify" one in terms of enough experience to be VP, let alone a POTUS nominee?

See, I don't think the angst against Palin is as much her overall experience as it is that her views are more conservative than McCain's... and the left uses the cloud of 'inexperience' rather than to confront the issues she advocates.

The right does some of the same thing by questioning whether we 'know enough' about Obama to vote for him. The big difference, IMO, is that Obama is running for POTUS while Palin is at the bottom of the Rep ticket. I see her experience as being on a par with Obama's and McCain & Biden being on the same level.

"Of course, you're overlooking the increase in turnout of Americans who will do anything to avoid hearing Palin's puppy-killing voice for the next 4 years." - NULL

I'm willing to take that chance.

Hillary had huge negatives entering the primaries. Palin is a hugely popular governor. The few who are 'turned off' toward the GOP based solely on her weren't going to vote for McCain anyway.

Historically people don't cast their POTUS vote based on the VP - would you agree with that?

Serious question for you: At what point does being a governor "qualify" one in terms of enough experience to be VP, let alone a POTUS nominee?

A serious answer, you look at her experience and tell me that you Oohrah would be comfortable with Sarah Palin as POTUS. I would not.

Historically people don't cast their POTUS vote based on the VP

Historically the candidate isn't 72.

ZAP-
I'll ask the question again: In your view at what point does being a governor "qualify" one in terms of enough experience to be VP, let alone a POTUS nominee? Two years, three, four? Does being a mayor count at all? As much, say, as being a community organizer?

The right bashed Bill Clinton who, as governor, ran a state near the bottom of most every economic and education category. Was that fair to do? You'd probably say Clinton turned out to have been fine.

The right bashes Obama for his lack of experience. Is that fair? He lacks executive experience. So at what point does Senate experience qualify a person... or how much community organizing qualifies one?

So since you apparently took the approach that she doesn't have enough experience, I'm asking you a reasonable question: At what point does one have "enough" experience to be VP, let alone the POTUS nominee?

I'll ask the question again:

You can ask all week if you like. I gave you an answer.

She doesn't have the experience to be VP. Do you think she does?

I asked you how much experience qualifies one. You can say 'she doesn't have enough' which is fine. But at what point does she have enough? Is there any way to quantify it? Or do you base it on something else?

She has as much experience as the man at the TOP of your ticket. While she can absorb info as VP, perhaps Obama can pick the brain of Biden till he gets up to speed. That's certainly reassuring.

I ask again: how much experience qualifies one to be VP, let alone POTUS? When that question (to be POTUS) is asked of Obama how do you respond? My guess is you don't revert to 'experience' but point to vision and decision making. Is that the case?

And if that's the case, how intellectually honest is it to hold Palin to a different standard... particularly when Obama's vying for POTUS and Palin to be VP?

I asked you how much experience qualifies one.

~OohRah

The person in question should have enuff experience to be able to do the job.

Obama has that.

Now let's talk about too much of the wrong kind of experience.

That's wot Cheney and Rumsfeld and the rest of the real power brokers in BushCo had in spades.

That's wot McLame has.

Do. Not. Want.

Can. Not. Afford.

Simple as that.

This rightwing meme that Sarah Palin has more experience than Obama is pure unadulterated horseshit.

She doesn't have enuff experience to be Wassilla's Mayor much less Governor of Alaska and certainly not enuff to be Veep and, gawd ferbid, POTUS.

A vote fer McCain is a vote fer allowing BushCo to get away with their many crimes.

A vote fer a continuation of the ruinous policies that have so hurt the US to date.

08ama/Biden '08.

Be Well.

I asked you how much experience qualifies one

Indeed and as you are aware there is no serious answer to your rhetoric question as individuals differ as well as circumstance. So lets drop the silly rhetoric questions.

Obama has been vetted for a years now. Sarah was picked out of the blue and is still a major unknown.

McCain is still 72 and Sarah is still a major unchallenged unvetted unknown.

"She doesn't have the experience to be VP. Do you think she does?" - ZAP

Yes. Would I prefer more? Of course. She has executive experience and understands the struggles of the American family... unlike so many of the uber-wealthy elites who typically run our nation.

For years Americans have looked for a true Washington outsider. What, to you, constitutes an outsider? A business magnate? Perhaps. I see her as the outsider. A bold newcomer ready to help shake up the status quo - not unlike how many view Obama. They're peas in a pod, IMO.

McCain is still 72 and Sarah is still a major unchallenged unvetted unknown.
~ZAP

I did miss an important point.

That being Sarah being untested as she has been all but held in seclusion if not escorted and defended against the evil press. If she can't trusted to meet the press on her own and often that speaks for a lack of experience in itself.

She has executive experience and understands the struggles of the American family... unlike so many of the uber-wealthy elites who typically run our nation.

I'm surprised you bring up McCain, who openly admits a disconnect.

I don't think it an unreasonable question at all. If, as you claim, she doesn't have enough experience, all I'm asking is 'how much' experience ought to qualify a person. And if you can't define it in terms of years but choose to define it in terms of decision making ability or other factors, then how can you hold Palin to a different criteria than you'd hold Obama or anyone else entering the fray in their middle 40's?

That you can't, or won't, answer that leads me to two conclusions. One, that you can't defend your own POTUS' similar 'lack' of experience... and, two, that regardless of whether Palin had another few years of experience, she's from a backward podunk state, didn't attend a prestigious school, and holds the 'wrong' views - those things won't change whether or not she has another five years of experience.

I realize you'll disagree. I just fail to agree with much of the left's characterization of the Palin experience issue.

A bold newcomer ready to help shake up the status quo

LOL but not so bold as to be allowed to meet the evil press.

I don't think it an unreasonable question at all.

Please, So rate all people the same, all States the same, all experence the same.

Day 23 Palin Watch

0 Press conferences
1 real interview
0 Sunday talk shows

But 568 puppies killed by her cackling voice.

"She has executive experience"

Mediating territorial disputes between moose and wolves doesn't count.

That you can't, or won't, answer that leads me to two conclusions.

Two conclusions as rhetoric as the original question. Save it for your church group I'm sure they would be impressed. Oohrah you aren't going to dictate the road traveled.

Sarah is an unknown on too many levels and McCain is 72.

"That being Sarah being untested as she has been all but held in seclusion if not escorted and defended against the evil press. If she can't trusted to meet the press on her own and often that speaks for a lack of experience in itself." - ZAP

Does it really speak for those things? Why would you, intentionally, put yourself in a potentially hostile situation if you didn't need to? If you were advising Palin, would you advocate her to do so? Why?

I'm glad Obama finally agreed to appear on O'Reilly after all these months. FOX draw huge numbers of moderates and Dems as well as Reps. I understand Palin will appear on CBS, but not NBC. NBC has largely gone off the deep end in favor of Obama, so there's little to be gained.

I can't imagine those watching Olberman and the rest of NBC are very apt to vote Rep given NBC's shift to the left. So she's losing nothing by not appearing on NBC.

"I'm glad Obama finally agreed to appear on O'Reilly after all these months. "

Nice try. Obama has participated in 22 debates and given hundreds of interviews. Where's Sarah?

"Please, So rate all people the same, all States the same, all experence the same." - ZAP

You make my point. It's not about how much experience (years wise) one has, but their world view. Now we're getting to the real issue(s).

You chose not to address my critique of the right's bashing of Clinton or the right's bashing of Obama. Why?

Does it really speak for those things? Why would you, intentionally, put yourself in a potentially hostile situation if you didn't need to?

LOL whatever you do for a living do you avoid the difficult parts and expect to advance?

The Press is part of her job. The fact that she can't to do that part of her job speaks of her lack of ability and experience.

McCain is still 72.

You make my point. It's not about how much experience (years wise) one has, but their world view

You make mine, she has been a very sort time Governor of a very small populous and now can't take the heat of the big league.

World view doesn't mean squat if you can't defend, explain and define your position.

You chose not to address my critique of the right's bashing of Clinton or the right's bashing of Obama. Why?

LOL I thought this thread about Sarah. As I said you ain't driving the wagon.

Midnight is coming. Cinderella won't be able to give John a ride to the finish

"Save it for your church group..." - ZAP

You're better than that. Why go there?

I've raised points and questions. You can choose to not answer, but by not doing so I think people can reach their own conclusions. I've addressed your questions.

In summary, the best rationale for the 'experience' issue surrounding Palin is what? That she doesn't have "enough?" OK, how do you define that? You can't say, other than to say she doesn't have it and to ignore any comments regarding Obama and Clinton. Were the right's concerns about them fair?

I suggest it's not her years of experience, but her views and we see the church deflection.

On a different note, I've been watching the Ryder Cup - the USA just won. Some great stuff!

I've raised points and questions. You can choose to not answer, but by not doing so I think people can reach their own conclusions. I've addressed your questions.

Mine weren't rhetoric.

In summary

In summary of your own conclusions, that is rich.

Actually did you answer the question about ignoring parts of your job?

On a different note, I've been watching the Ryder Cup - the USA just won. Some great stuff!

~OohRah

Spud too!

Spud sez YEAH fer Boo Weekley!

A breath of fresh air is that guy.

Great golfer and a heckuva interesting character to boot.

US won w/o Tiger, eh?

Ha! That kicks ass.

Be Well.

Sarah as popular as Diana --- Amanda Platelle (National Review).

"Sarah as popular as Diana --- Amanda Platelle (National Review)."

Yeah but Diana's voice didn't kill puppies.

You'll have to excuse, Null. He believes voices kill puppies. LOL

ZAP-
Once again, you claim she lacks sufficient experience. Fine - I can understand your opinion. So I asked your opinion on what constitutes enough experience. Yet you're unable or unwilling to provide your rationale. Why? You're not one to simply spew the party line without thought. What, really, is driving your 'experience' heartburn when you're fine with Obama and his 'experience?' (And this doesn't even take into account that Obama's vying for POTUS while Palin is second fiddle to Big John)

If you wish to equivocate, then how are you on credible ground as it relates to defending Obama's experience? If there's a minimum threshold of experience - please pontificate. If not... and it concerns one's judgement... then why perpetuate the argument against her experience?

"Spud sez YEAH fer Boo Weekley!" - DETH

I always like a guy the fans can yell for and it sounds like "Boo." I guess in his case it really is 'boo.'

As a Sox fan I like it when Youkilis is cheered. Yoooooooooouk.

"You'll have to excuse, Null. He believes voices kill puppies. LOL" - ANA

Got me thinking about dogs - was it Son of Sam whose dog spoke to him?

First time I heard Palin I thought she was from the upper midwest. Michigan, Wisconsin maybe. I'd never heard an Alaskan talk for any length of time.

"A focus group of 70,000 showed up to hear Palin speak in Florida today..."

From the linked article:

a country band revved up the crowd.

"That's the only reason 70,000 were there. They were there to hear the band."

Hahahaha. That's exactly right. It was beer and music that caused that crowd.

-Sarah as popular as Diana

And nearly as well versed in American politics. Could Diana see Lichtenstein from her home?

--That's the only reason 70,000 were there.

That corridor of Florida voted for GW, twice, so that tells you they were definitely there for the band.

That, and a chance to see the bastard child of Dick Cheney and Peggy Hill.

****** ""You got to be kind to the disabled," Rangel said. "
He was probably referring to Palin's "voice," a disability if there ever was one.... Posted by nullifidian *******

..........more likely her brain........

......she is a Creationist..thats why they don't let her do interviews........

.......Creationists are retarded..........

Once again, you claim she lacks sufficient experience. Fine - I can understand your opinion. So I asked your opinion on what constitutes enough experience

~Oohrah

Well for starters a proper vetting and the ability to face the press.

Well for starters a proper vetting

What proof do you have that she wasn't "properly" vetted?

Scandals?

During Clinton's '92 run he was dealing with a much more "scandalous" 'Troopergate' plus he was contending with the Gennifer Flowers scandal - yet the Democratic party will adamantly state he was "properly" vetted.

What proof do you have that she wasn't "properly" vetted?

Aside from informed observation?

Re the Clinton deflection 'Troopergate' was found to be groundless and I believe post election certainty the first election.

Well for starters a proper vetting
~Jeff

Carefully tip toeing around the press issue.

Just like Oohrah

What proof do you have that she wasn't "properly" vetted?

I don't believe Zap means vetting by the Reps or the McCain campaign. Zap means vetting by the people of this country.

We've had 23 days assess the record and performance of Palin. We've had several years to look at everyone else. It's pretty hard for anyone to make the same informed decision about Palin on those terms.