"My friends, I have no ideas, but his are worse."

.......McCain is starting to acquire the smell of desperation.......

Funny that after denigrating the Washington Post as a liberal, evil rag, the McCrash campaing picks out a bogus article saying that Frank Raines was an Obama adviser. I'm not sure I see the race card in this ad but I do see sleaze and lies by the now-considered-by-everyone-to-
be-a-liar McCrash campaign.

This is a legitimate ad --- it is the people complaining about it are playing the race card. (Maybe any ad showing McCain and another White person should be considered 'race card'.)

In fact the Obama camp is trafficking in prejudice (Rush) by misquoting Rush and McCain in Spanish ad.

Washington Post caught in its own bias --- Washington Post destroying its own credibility.

Deer in headlight liberal media!

"This is a legitimate ad"

What position does Raines occupy on the Obama campaign?

None?

Oh, then I guess (as usual) you're full of shit.

Deer in headlight. . .
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I'm not sure I see the race card in this ad but I do see sleaze and lies by the now-considered-by-everyone-to-
be-a-liar McCrash campaign.

~Geezer.

Pretty much Spud's assessment too.

From NBC's Mark Murray and NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy.

On the campaign trail in Minnesota today, McCain incorrectly suggested that the executive pay that former Fannie Mae CEOs Frank Raines and Jim Johnson earned came from taxpayers.

"That same executive got $21 million of your money," McCain said of Johnson. "And the other CEO, another supporter of Senator Obama, Mr. Raines got $25 million of your money. Let's tell them to give it back. Let's tell them to give it back."

Lucian Bebchuk of Harvard Law School, an expert on corporate governance, confirmed to First Read that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private companies until being recently taken over by the federal government (which came after Raines' and Johnson's tenures).

From article entitled "McCain seems Wrong on Fannie Pay".

They cheated with Private money --- running the companies down and yet shamelessly got rewarded with severance that should have been returned with guilt and shame.

2 black men on the same ad racist? That's a stretch unless you are racist and see racism everywhere.

I guess it depends on how you want to spin it.

Any of you forgotten Ken Lay and Enron.

IIRC Raines and Johnson made millions in bonuses when they were at Fannie Mae. Apparently they cooked the books so they could get millions more. Jamie Gorelick too.

Leading Dems making mega bonuses working for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they didn't pay any of it back and now FM & FM had to be bailed out by the Federal government. Looks like taxpayers picked up the tab for the portion they made. No??

Total salaries and benefits at Fannie and Freddie for their total terms in office were reported in one article recently as: Gorelick $90 million, Johnson $126 million, and Raines also $126 million. While Mudd and Syron have been challenged on bonuses, the real money has been made in the past at the cumulative salary level.

An April story in The Washington Post that said Raines has "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." Reporter Anita Huslin says Raines told her that during an in-person interview....
You can't bash McCain for basing the ad on the info in the Post and specifically identifying the Post as the source.

Here's what the Post has today:

The McCain campaign cited a July Washington Post profile of Raines as the source for his connection to Obama. In that profile, it was reported that he had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." In a statement issued by the Obama campaign late Thursday, Raines strongly denied having provided counsel to Obama, saying: "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters."

That's all, which I take to mean the WaPo stands behind its original reporting. If the original reporting is true, then Raines is an Obama advisor and a liar.

Whether viewers will somehow hold Obama responsible for the Fannie Mae collapse because of what is at best a slight association with its former head is open to question.

Its amazing how Enron executives landed in jail but these Fannie Mae people are in line for promotions at the DNC.

Quotes from the WP can be found here:

Everyone just wait... if the 'affirmative action kid' makes the race, you will see the biggest effort in the history of the U.S. to totally redistribute the wealth for one.. Obama is not directly responsible for the crashes, but he certainly supports an economic policy that allows it and certainly does not mind that 'taxpayer' funds will shadow the mismanagement... the same theory that will take the 'hard earned' dollars of the real workers and give it to the 'Fed munchers'.. food stamps will be history in Obamas White House.. we will be outfitting every family that chooses not to work with cars, clothing, food, health care and all the other goodies to 'equalize' the standard of living...!!!!

This is pretty pathetic. These guys, whether they ever talked to Obama or not, were in these positions ten to fifteen years ago. Nevertheless, I welcome a full disection of these relationships as I hope that the Keating 5 affair is also brought up. In that case, the candidate was not just remotley associated with the sleazeball corporate reiders, he was in their pocket. Yes, I definetely agree that McSleaze keep hitting the Fannie Freddie button

In 2004, after a tip from a whistle blower who was later fired, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (Ofheo) issued a report finding that the government-sponsored entity Fannie Mae had engaged in Enron-like accounting machinations that allowed Fannie to overstate its earnings and underestimate the risk the company faced. The accounting wizardry Fannie engaged in was designed so that Fannie could meet profit targets tomaximize bonus payments to company executives like Clinton administration deputy attorney general Jamie Gorelick and Carter administration assistant director for domestic policy Franklin Raines.

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There were many moments of high entertainment during last week's House hearings on Fannie Mae's creative accounting. But our favorite was the Mister Magoo performance given by Barney Frank (D., Massachusetts) after learning that Fannie had handed out $245 million in bonuses over five years. Mr. Frank chided Fannie CEO Frank Raines and CFO Tim Howard, saying, "At the level of compensation you get, we ought to be able to count on you to do your very best without additional incentives."

Here's a case of misplaced moral outrage if we've ever seen one. Mr. Franks is mad about the salaries when he really should be mad at the rigged political game that has made them possible. Fannie's regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, has reported that Fannie has been cooking its books. Add that to the increasing evidence that Fannie has been ignoring its mission to provide affordable housing, and we wonder if Mr. Frank doesn't need an eye checkup.

Ditto for the good liberals in the Congressional Black Caucus. Members of this group are often the loudest defenders of Fannie and her brother, Freddie Mac. Can it be that the annual donations made by the Fannie Mae Foundation to the Caucus have blurred their vision too?

Maxine Waters (D., California) cooed all over Mr. Raines, and Clay Lacy (D., Missouri) played the race card by calling the hearings a "political lynching" of Mr. Raines, who is African-American. Are CEOs not supposed to be accountable simply because they're persons of color? By the way, Roger Barnes, the whistle-blower who was fired by Fannie after complaining about its accounting procedures, is also black. In a more consistent world -- where political principles mean something -- these liberals would be scorching a company that used a government subsidy to enrich its own executives. Instead, they're defending it.

Tumulty pretty much screwed the pooch on this one. The McCain campaign did two ads -one with Raines and one with the other guy.

Why is Obama ashamed of his white heritage? Flop Ears is only half Black and he is either bragging about being Black or complaining about everyone picking on him because he's a so-called Black man.

And how is this playing the race card when Obama is of mixed race. Huh? You show a picture of a black man and say something negative it is the race card? BS! This is politics!

The Media plays the race card every day and so does our Government with its minority firms.

Oh, then I guess (as usual) you're full of shit.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-09-20 02:18 PM | Reply |

Drunk_Sarvis strikes again with his witty, pithy comments!

Vernon-
Did BillO make you use "pithy" in a sentence?

Since this has now become a campaign issue, I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of that passage. She said that she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked "if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said, 'Oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific?' I asked, and he said 'no.')"

The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Raines as a close adviser to Obama on "housing and mortgage policy." If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release.

"The Media plays the race card every day and so does our Government with its minority firms.

#17 | Posted by Unclesam "

What's a matter, buster, can't get a dishwasher job?

Slave owners had the "one drop" rule, one drop of Black blood means that you were Black. This same rule is apparently alive and well with Obama and the democrat party to insist that Flop Ears is Black instead of mixed race.

This ad is not playing the race card.

However, Karen Tumulty is.

I'm pretty sure McCain knows what he's doing. This ad after his one demanding Obama show "respect" for Palin is another example of McCain's campaign using race.

Just curious, Yav. How do you see McCain's campaign using race in that ad?

Damn, the ears has been playing the race card for almost a year now. Nobody says shit about that.

.......McCain and his ilk have shaped the decline of America...

.......still you have to wonder if we are actually stupid enough to want him as our leader........

....... we may deserve what we get under his leadership....

AnAmerican, Watch the ad I posted and ask yourself - "would these same words be used to wrt a white candidate?" See if one word sticks out. If one word, one part of the ad doesn't quite set well with you.

There's a word used, like "uppity" has been used by others, that would never be applied to a white candidate. There's an inherent demand in the ad that would never be made of a white candidate. It is a demand that isn't based on it being deserved but for one reason.

I don't see it, Yav. On the other hand, I cannot see a candidate use the words she's "good looking" and she's "doing what she was told" against a male candidate. It is disrepectful towards Palin to make remarks that would not have been made against a male candidate.

"It is disrepectful towards Palin to make remarks that would not have been made against a male candidate."

I'm sure "the Breck Girl" might have disagreed.

Michelle Obama used the same type of remark about Palin's looks in a stump speech in NC last week. She tried to cover it up by saying she was talking about herself. However, she is not on the ticket. In answer to Michelle, I would ask if she would be offended if McCain said the same kind of remark about Obama. He has legions of women who are swooning over his looks.

LOL, Danforth. That is an excellent exception.

"Everyone just wait... if the 'affirmative action kid' makes the race, you will see the biggest effort in the history of the U.S. to totally redistribute the wealth for one.. Obama is not directly responsible for the crashes, but he certainly supports an economic policy that allows it and certainly does not mind that 'taxpayer' funds will shadow the mismanagement... the same theory that will take the 'hard earned' dollars of the real workers and give it to the 'Fed munchers'.. food stamps will be history in Obamas White House.. we will be outfitting every family that chooses not to work with cars, clothing, food, health care and all the other goodies to 'equalize' the standard of living...!!!!"

The only thing I agree with is your food stamp assessment. By the end of the collapse of the Bush economy there will be a record number of people on food stamps.

"Damn, the ears has been playing the race card for almost a year now. Nobody says shit about that."

Please provide examples.

Don't forget the extra money Obama wants the country to give the UN to fight poverty in the world. He is committed in the form of a bill to do just that.

No one talks about his race except him and the media. He has brought up his race on the campaign trail multiple times. His campaign yells racism everytime anything negative is said about him. Have you heard McCain bring up Obama's race in any of his speeches?

Damn, the ears has been playing the race card for almost a year now. Nobody says shit about that.

#27 | Posted by Sniper

Congratulations Sniper!!! You are now plagiarizing FWThom.. What happened? Run out of big words?

doing what she was told" against a male candidate. It is disrepectful towards Palin to make remarks that would not have been made against a male candidate.

#30 | Posted by anamerican

Many people say that about Bush every day.

I would ask if she would be offended if McCain said the same kind of remark about Obama. He has legions of women who are swooning over his looks.

#32 | Posted by anamerican

Why should Obama be insulted, JFK got into the WH partially based on the "look" factor

I wonder if JFK's opponent made remarks suggesting that voters should not base their vote on the looks of his opponent.

Don't forget the extra money Obama wants the country to give the UN to fight poverty in the world. He is committed in the form of a bill to do just that.

#36 | Posted by anamerican

I'm guessing that Obama would not give the UN a "trllion" dollars to fight world poverty and I'm pretty sure 4000 of our soldiers wouldn't die in this endeavor either.

I wonder if JFK's opponent made remarks suggesting that voters should not base their vote on the looks of his opponent.

#41 | Posted by anamerican

It was a phenomenon at the time partly because it was the first election that was widely covered by TV plus he was running against Nixon and I don't think ole Dickie wanted to bring that kind of attention to himself.

Lol, geezer1

I still haven't a clue how the following ad is considered racist. Do you?

This ad is racist how? You lib s are grasping at straws. I LOVE IT

Here's what makes this place so much fun:

No one talks about his race except him and the media. He has brought up his race on the campaign trail multiple times. His campaign yells racism everytime anything negative is said about him. Have you heard McCain bring up Obama's race in any of his speeches?

#37 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-09-21 10:27 AM

Irony is just so damned ironic.

Very funny, truthsetyoufree. How do you avoid saying the word "race" when the the media and people like you spout racism at every turn? Maybe you need to talk to them.

Libs are completely obssessed by race and feel so guilty about slavery amd Jim Crow that they can't kiss enough Black ass. In the Bizzaro World of Liberalism, where Kryptonite is blue, libs see racial overtones everywhere: black holes, eight balls, and black sheep are racist.

o gimme a fucking break already. Racism/Schmacism, that ad is designed to make people believe that Raines plays a central role as economic advisor to Obama and will continue to do so when Obama wins the election. That's just your average Republican slimy fear-mongering bullshit game and you people eat it up, yum.

This pile of crap is worthy of a lawsuit, imo. Truth in advertising laws need teeth.

Obama better start telling the unfettered truth about McCain now or he's going to lose this thing.

one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks

This pile of crap is worthy of a lawsuit, imo.

#49 | Posted by bellaspapa at 2008-09-22 06:36 AM

This ad is the truth.

What laws were broken to warrant a suit?

It's about time. Race is a factor in this camapign, always has been, and will continue to be. The attempt to be oblivious to race as a factor as somehow demonstrating some higher sense of values is just so much nonsense, and a deliberate policy contrived by Obama supporters to enable Obama to benefit from race, while excluding it from discussions which are detrimental to his candidacy.

Obama is black. McCain is white. There is a difference, and the difference is significant in terms of perspectives developed, life's experience, assimilation of American values, and goals for America.

The reason Obama secured the candidacy is due to black bloc voting for Obama in the primaries based on racial identity. Does anyone deny this racial factor? Some are proclaiming that "the result," Obama's nomination is "good," that "the end justifies the means," and that racially inspired casting of votes is "good" if the result is what these folks want.

These same folks inform you that voting for a white person based on racial identity is "bad," because that is "racism," and "racism" is bad. There is no voluminous body of apologetics yet developed that distinguish "good black racist behavior" from "bad white racist behavior" in the context of influencing political choice.

So, the conclusion advanced by proponents of Obama's candidacy is utilitarian, that racially based voting is either good or bad based on situational ethical prescriptions deferring to the end sought.

Obama has been nurtured and his ideas formed in a racist context during his lifetime and more intensively for more than 20 years. His intimates, Davis, Rev. Wright, Minister Farrakhan. "Bomber Bill Ayers, are all rabid detractors of white America and advocates of expiation of sin through white suffering, albeit some black racists deny the capability of whites to do any but the devil's work. These anti-Americans seek to secure a position for their man, Obama, from which he can work to impose such a regime.

White Americans who succumb to their guilt and promoting a man with a black racist identity, who is their natural enemy, are compromising their future well-being.

His intimates, Davis, Rev. Wright, Minister Farrakhan. "Bomber Bill Ayers, are all rabid detractors of white America

First off, Obama has decried Farrakhan anti-semetic ways fer years now. Take him off yer fucking list of "intimates".

Second, when Ayers was in the Underground Obama was like 8 yo. When Obama got to know him it was in an entirely different capacity.

Third, is Wright a detractor of all of "White America" or only the racist component?

You know... people like you, Johnson.

Yer continual attempts to make this election about race are pathetic, Tiny.

Obama aint a racist, you are.

G08ama!

Be Well.

/"White Liberal Guilt" is a pathetic invention of the Rethugs.
//Just another lie cos apparently that's all you got left.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-09-22 11:50 AM

Obama aint a racist, you are.

Keep making delcarations, deth. It seems that you think repetition can transform your fictional contruct to be the reality.

First off, Obama has decried Farrakhan anti-semetic ways fer years now. Take him off yer fucking list of "intimates".

Is there any public record of Obama's early rejection of Minister Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, who was rather recently chosen as "Man of the Year" by Obama's hate-monger tutor, Rev. Wright and his church? Waiting deth. Or is this just another one of your imaginary speculations based on a false reality that you want to contrive? Waiting deth for some valdiation of your claim.

Second, when Ayers was in the Underground Obama was like 8 yo. When Obama got to know him it was in an entirely different capacity.

This is the man, whom Obama embraced and embraces. "Bomber Bill" Ayers is purportedly the man, who wrote Obama's first book, one written with Ayer's vocabulary and in his style, and not the mediocrity that the second book, actually written by Obama, is.

This is the Ayers, who appointed Obama as administrator of a grant of some $160 million that was spent to improve the accomplishment of Chicago school children, but which expenditure upon review was found to have accomplished nothing, another boondoggle.

This is the Ayers, who sought to advance Obama's political career, and was insturmental in orchestrating it. Why? Because Obama's political goals and objectives were contrary to Ayers, or because Ayers saw Obama as furthering his anti-American goals? You figure it out, deth.

So that fact that their political views are simpatico, congenial, deth, is significant.

Third, is Wright a detractor of all of "White America" or only the racist component?

But you knew that, deth. You just seek to dissemble. Your purpose is what is difficult to discern.

"Wright is a detractor of all whites. He declares them to be Devils and incapable of reform. Rev. Wright applauded the deaths of some 3000 Americans on 9/11 as deserved, and he cries for the damnation of "all" white Americans. The black liberation theology primer that reiterates this thesis has long been promoted for sale in the Chruch with its revised editions, continuing to advocate bad ends for whites, and black preference and privilege."

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Why don't you provide full, in context, quotes for the above? You can take some one liners out of context to justify these claims but the fact is that you are wrong.

Obama could lose up to 6% of the vote due to race on voting day--

Tumulty: McCain Plays the Race Card

What a bunch of horse shit!!!

"Horse shit" just like how racism doesnt exist anymore.