Yes, only terrorists are anxious. Easy to see hpw this works.

I get anxious just being near an airport these days...

What if the anxiousness monitor makes you anxious?

Another reason why it's called Homeland Insecurity.

They can use this as a safety device to know when to stop waterboarding.

Yes, only terrorists are anxious. Easy to see hpw this works.

zed: I'm sure this isn't the only device or method used to help ferret out terroists. I would imagine that enough criteria were met (one of which would be anxiety) I'm sure that is when red flags go off and the plane and luggage are searched more thoroughly.

Or would you rather that we just simply rely on current methods and not try to hone the process that helps identify terrorists? I think the more methods we have, the less likely that innocent people will be affected. That's a good thing, isn't it?

The device in question relies on physiological signatures subject to conscious control. The disciplined won't worry about it, literally.

These high priced gadgets are not pieces of equipment used to defend our country from terrorists.

These are high priced gadgets needed to ensure continuation of our piece of shit interventionist foreign policy.

"The disciplined won't worry about it, literally."

And the sheeple will be too intimidated to complain about it.

And the sheeple will be too intimidated to complain about it.

What is there to complain about? It is non-intrusive. You'll never know it is happening. Do you complain about the many cameras on you at the airport and the fact that there are probably several people looking at your image? You don't? You sheeple, you.

I hope that this anxiety detector doesn't replace racial profiling that we know works best.

I hope that this anxiety detector doesn't replace racial profiling that we know works best.

I don't think it is meant to replace anything. Nor will it be the sole indicator of a susupicous person. I think it is just another tool to narrow down possible suspects who intened malfeasance.

What is there to complain about? It is non-intrusive. You'll never know it is happening. Do you complain about the many cameras on you at the airport and the fact that there are probably several people looking at your image? You don't? You sheeple, you.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-19 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goatman-
This is not a comment on this particular method, but did you just say that others are "sheeple" when they respond to the ever more common gov't surveillance with suspicion and distrust, while you, who don't mind it a tad, are not a "sheeple"?

I just wanted to get this point straight.

betelg: Go upthread a few posts and read to mine. It will make more sense.

"I hope that this anxiety detector doesn't replace racial profiling that we know works best."

Posted by fwthom

Sure picked out Tim McVeigh.

"What is there to complain about? It is non-intrusive."

If you don't instinctively understand what the problem is here, there's nothing I could say to change your mind. So I won't bother.

Goatman-
I still don't get your "sheeple" reference. If anything, the reliable apologist for the ever increasing gov't intrusion and surveillance would be a "sheeple".

...ever more common gov't surveillance with suspicion and distrust,...

Would you rather the government not be suspicious and distrustful at the airports? Then get rid of the screening process completely at the airports! No metal detectors, no baggage xrays -- nothing. From the car to the plane unchallenged.

After all it is those screeners' only job to be suspicious and distrustful.

I still don't get your "sheeple" reference.

I think that's because you're busy.

Goatman-
LOL. You finally 'got it' and it pissed you off.

This is only going to encourage those carrying a gram or more of blow to snort it in the bathroom before hitting the Security Line. Since they're testing for explosives they'll be befuddled when a high anxiety guy has to be passed through - followed 15 minutes later by EMS techs who may or may not be suffering from anxiety themselves.

No Mel Brooks "High Anxiety" before hitting the airport either.

Goatman-
re: "After all it is those screeners' only job to be suspicious and distrustful.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-19 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:"

But it's not your job to be "suspicious and distrustful" of gov't surveillance, because only "sheeple" are so unreasonable?

Doesn't make any sense.

Goatman-
I realize you love to use the word "sheeple", but in the case of warrantless gov't and corporate surveillance, it simply makes no sense to use the term to describe those who are "suspicious and distrustful" of it. In cases such as these, "sheeple" more accurately describes you.

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Athletic....................No breasts.

Average looking.........Moooo.

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Emotionally Secure.....On medication.

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Old-fashioned...............No BJs.

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...Goatman

As long as their MO for pulling aside people who set off the device, doesn't involve putting people through hell, I don't see what the big deal is. I have a common name (like John Brown) and there are 50 others with my name who have criminal records, some have warrants for their arrest.
I get stopped at the airport sometimes, they do a background check on the computer, bring out the extra metal detectors (found foil from a gumwrapper once, that was a pain in the ass cuz neither of us could figure out what was setting the damned thing off). Haven't yet been groped by any pervs or lonely security guards.
If what they're doing better ensures the safety for all (as communist as that is) I'm for it.

LOL. You finally 'got it' and it pissed you off.

???

I've yet to be pissed off by anything you've ever written. DOn't flatter yourself.

"sheeple" more accurately describes you.

*yawn*

OK. Whatever blows air up your skirt. I'm a sheeple. I think null wants me to be a republican, so I guess I'm a republican sheeple. Oh, yeah, montecore wants me to be gay and fat, so I guess I am a gay fat republican sheeple. oops, can't forget redneckshill's request for his fantasy goatman, so I guess I am a gay fat moronic republican sheeple. Shit I forgot that moder8 has his own desires.

I'll work on this. You guys are too much to keep up with as much as I try to please.

At any rate, if you didn't get the originally reference by reading the previous post as I said (and you didn't, obviously) it will do no good to explain. Grow something on top of that brain stem and get back to me when it makes sense. Or get someone else here to explain it to you.

GOATMAN is back on the job, drilling for American oil in the Gulf of Mexico again. I can sleep better at night now.

"drilling for American oil in the Gulf of Mexico again"

After they schlep the rig to a shipyard for a while.

Goatman-
I did read your posts. You accused those who were suspicious of further surveillance as "sheeple". I may not agree with those you termed "sheeple" in this case or in any case, but your use of the term in instances such as this is beyond stupid. "Sheeple" more accurately refers to those who defend actions, any actions in your case, by the gov't and private entities prying further into our personal lives for the ostensible purpose of "making us safe" as concerns of the shepherd only, and not of the "sheeple"(you).

BTW, I'm not someone else, so I take some umbrage at having positions I have never expressed attributed to me.

Sorry. No drilling. We are currently under tow to Pascagoula (sp?) Mississippi. We get to the channel on Saturday night and will take on the pilot for tow into the harbor on Sunday morning.

Ike ran right over the rig and did a lot of damage that could not be repaired on location.

"Ike ran right over the rig and did a lot of damage that could not be repaired on location."

Posted by goatman

You accused those who were suspicious of further surveillance as "sheeple"

OK, betelg. This is the last time. I really, really tire of having to explain things to you, but you won't let this go. But I promise -- in the future if you don't understand the gist of the post, I will not explain it.

Null made a reference to anyone who would tolerate this and not complain would be sheeple. (post #9) So I snarkily said he was already under surveillance by many cameras and he and others were not complaining about it, so they must be sheeple. (post #10)

It was sarcasm, but it went over your head. I will no longer explain things to you. I grow very, very weary of doing that. Grow a brain or ask someone to explain it to you next time.

Goatman-
re: Null made a reference to anyone who would tolerate this and not complain would be sheeple.

They would be, and we are, and you are a champion of the herd. It is the duty of every citizen to zealously protect privacy from gov't/corporate intrusion. In some cases the risks outweigh the benefits, but those cases are rare.

Nullifidian was right.

We got reports of 38 foot or better waves.

On each corner of the rig we have an anchor winch which pulls the 3 3/4" wire rope and chain that anchors us taut. There is a glass trap door on the floor so that the barge engineer can see the chain. A wave came smashing up through that trap door and partially or fully filled (we'll never know) the cab causing such intense pressure the sides of the cabs bulged and blew out the windows from the inside. It also blew the deck mounted chair upward bending a flourescent light fixture and partially went through the ceiling.

It was quite impressive to see, actually. It is the same anchor winch cab that caught the flare boom off of a production rig when my rig took a walk during Rita 3 years ago.

I think I have a picture of that on my PC. I'll look and upload it if I do.

Stand by . . .

Goatman

If the mooring of your rig using 3 3/4 inch" wire didn't hold during Rita and again during Ike why don't they use a thicker wire to moor the rig -- at least when mooring the rig down to ride out a hurricane? If it didn't work twice wouldn't a thicker one be needed? Or are those hurricanes so violent it wouldn't matter how thick the wire was as your rig would break free anyway?

This is the anchor winch cab as destroyed by Rita three years ago. It is supposed to be a cube. You can see where the flare boom was. Now, however, it is bulging outward from the pressure of the wave that came in from the bottom.

why don't they use a thicker wire to moor the rig

The anchor winch, spool reels, etc. have been engineered for this size of wire rope.

As far as "doing it during a hurricane", pulling up and laying down anchors is not like doing it on a fishing boat. It takes ~3 days to put them down and ~2-3 days to pull them up.

okay, thanks.

Now, however, it is bulging outward from the pressure of the wave that came in from the bottom.

The smaller light gray thing on the left side kind of hanging down at an angle?

What "38 foot" really means:

SEAS GIVEN AS SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT...WHICH IS THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST 1/3 OF THE WAVES. INDIVIDUAL WAVES MAY BE MORE THAN TWICE THE SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT.

The smaller light gray thing on the left side kind of hanging down at an angle

THis is the Rita picture, not the explosive Ike picture. The cab is now concave, not convex as in the picture.

The 'gray' (actually it is white) thing is supposed to be a cube with windows.

Just now posted this over on the wrong thread so I'll repost it here --

Sorry to bother you with questions, Goat, but one more thing I curious about -- the tall columns your rig seems to "stand" on -- are they connected as part of the rig? In other words, the top part of your rig and the tall columns attached to it are all one piece that floats and if your rig pulls loose from the moorings the top of the rig and the columns it sits on all go floating adrift in a hurricane? And do you know how long those columns are? They look so high from the picture I was wondering just how deep they are under water too.

Guess that was more than one question.

Anwswer to the question on the other thread, CC

The columns are 39 meters from the main deck (that is the level the picture was taken from) to the pontoons. There are two pontoons that run fore to aft about 6 meters in diameter. The are compartmentalized to hold diesel fuel, drilling mud, potable water, drill water, ballast water, and barite. The barge engineer has to juggle these things around to keep the rig level

Yes, it does look high in the picture, but that is because we are unballasted to make the rig as high as possible since it is obviously shallow in the harbor/shipyard. During normal drilling ops, the main deck is about 10 - 12 meters above the water.

Hope this answers your questions.

the tall columns your rig seems to "stand" on -- are they connected as part of the rig?

Not to sound flippant, but of course they are connected! *grin* We'd fall off if they weren't. You must've meant something else, but I'm not sure exactly what you are asking.

"You must've meant something else, but I'm not sure exactly what you are asking."

Posted by goatman

Doesn't realize it's floating.

Doesn't realize it's floating.

OK. I understand. Yes, we are fully afloat. This class of rig can drill in up to 7k ft of water

GOATMAN

Do you have, or are you aware of, any pics of what the entire drilling rig looks like? Is there a "Drilling Rigs R Us" website?

I'd like to see a pic from a helicopter or a pic you might have in your PC.

So far, all I've ever seen is a little of a deck with a tuna taking up a lot of the frame LOL

rigzone.com is pretty much the definitive site for the entire industry. deepwater.com has pictures of all the rigs under their 'fleet' link. I think I have a good photo of my rig from the air that I took. Stand by. . .

OK .. Standing by

I checked out 8 of the rigs in the Gulf. Some are ships, some float on pontoons. I see there are a few different types of drilling rigs. Which class is your rig, GOATMAN?

Not to sound flippant, but of course they are connected! *grin* We'd fall off if they weren't. You must've meant something else, but I'm not sure exactly what you are asking.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-19 10:55 PM

No, you don't sound flippant. I know my questions may sound stupid but they're honest (if dumb lol) so I don't mind asking so I can learn. And I guess I can' blame you for not knowing what I mean.

I asked about the columns being connected because I thought they would have to be drilled down deep into the ocean floor in order to hold the rig stable and in place. Why else would you have them? If your rig just sort of floated like a houseboat, then you could just drop anchor with no need for attached columns, right?

I guess I thought the top half of your rig was detachable and then when the tugs brought it out it was somehow floated and set atop of the columns already in place out there (embedded and drilled deep into the oceanbed).

I don't think I'm describing what I mean to say but I'm trying my best.

If it makes no sense what I'm trying to say you can just ignore my question. I won't be mad, really. lol

AU

Here's a nice picture of Goat's rig from a distance --

Which class is your rig,

We are a semi-submersible (the ones that float on pontoons)

AU

Here are the specs on Goat's rig.

His is a semi-submersible rig

GOATMAN

Having done my homework on oil drilling rigs I have determined yours is a Sedco 700 design.

Quite a piece of machinery. I couldn't see the helipad too well in your pic, but I got the idea from one at the deepwater site.

Where are the living quarters on the rig?

Goat --

You just answered my question about the columns when you said your rig was on pontoons. NOW I understand. For some reason I thought they were columns. My mistake. No wonder you didn't have a clue what I was talking about!

Here is another nice photo of the rig --

CC Thanks!

I just spent a few minutes comparing pics between Goatman's and websites he listed. There are quite a few different kinds I see. The video of the shark swimming by the divers (he was well fed!) would give me pause LOL

Where are the living quarters on the rig?

On the starboard forward part of the rig (where the helideck is) and the three floors between the main deck and the helideck.

First deck is the galley, change room, laundry, and cabins.

Second deck is cinema, hospital, and living quarters.

Third deck are administrative and offices and living quarters.

I am on the third deck, right below the helideck. I am finally able to sleep through helicopter landings, now. *grin* I used to wake up every time one came.

BTW CC

I havea new tune I demoed and wanted to send to you.

If you want to hear it email me an email address and I'll send it to you. Jimmy Buffet kind of weekend song.

Did you watch the other videos, AU? They are very informative. They are only 5 minutes each.

I'd like to hear it, AU. You have my email

Goatman--what kind of movies are seen in the cinema? Or is it satellite TV?

"I hope that this anxiety detector doesn't replace racial profiling that we know works best."

Posted by fwthom

Sure picked out Tim McVeigh.

And Richard shoeguy.

I'm willing to bet your average going to meet allah and get 72 virgins terrorist isn't much more anxious than your average phobic or going to a sales pitch passenger.

GOATMAN

I'm watching videos now. Very informative as you say.

I just sent you the song.

AU :-)

I get anxious just being near an airport these days...

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-19

I have to get a double before getting on the plane..

This is so funny.

I was IFR at night in 2001, flying in icing solo at 25,000 feet from Lexington KY to Richmond VA when the autopilot quit and the stall warning horn went off simultaneously.

I called Center and said "Be advised solo pilot IFR and the autopilot just quit."

They were flawless; It was such fun.

BTW, the two failures were uncorrelated.

MURPHY

Would 5 doubles be enough to make you drunk chick at the airport bar with runny mascara crying, "I gave him the best years of my liiiiiiife!"

LOL *grin*

I guess everyone that has a fear of flying will be the subject of a full interrogation when they reach the terminal gates.

This should help move the lines along when half the people have been pulled out of it.

Pussies.

This Summer marks 40 years with a Commercial Pilot's license in my pocket.

Passengers suck unless they're skydivers, then they jump.

I have no problem with flying.

It's the goddam passengers I have no use for.

Let 'em fucking walk; I prefer solo.

This Summer marks 40 years with a Commercial Pilot's license in my pocket.

Passengers suck unless they're skydivers, then they jump.

#71 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-09-19 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without passengers, there's really no need for 'commercial pilots'.

Goatman--what kind of movies are seen in the cinema? Or is it satellite TV?

We have satellite TV -- get about 90 channels. Each cabin has their own TV.

In the cinema, we also get the satellite, of course, but there is also a DVD player, so whatever people want to bring. However, seldom does everyone get together to watch a movie in the cinema. They mostly watch TV in their rooms.

ZAT

I'm not in your league, but I was a 'weekend warrior' for many, many years. My wife isn't too keen on solo single engine VFR flying, so I only go up with friends who have planes. I did get to left seat a KingAir in June while the pilot slept from my takeoff til final. That was a blast. In my 20's USO days I got to fly a C-141 for a couple of hours too. S turns around storms mostly. Like riding a rocket compared to my usual 152 or 172 in those days.

I guess everyone that has a fear of flying will be the subject of a full interrogation when they reach the terminal gates.

I doubt it. Common sense (not you, my own) tells me that it will be only one of several criteria to judge if someone is a suspicious person.

I prefer solo.

And the larger carbon footprint that goes along with it. No wonder you post so many dire global warming threads. between the innefficient mode of flying solo and your swimming pool, you are a higher than average contributor to greenhouse gasses

COMMONSENSE

The term 'commercial pilot' encompasses a lot of areas from passenger travel to freight.

It's comparable to getting a Commercial Driver's license as opposed to an Operator's license.

99.9% of the time for pilots of larger twins and up.

GOATMAN

You'd be surprised how many miles per gallon a small plane gets. In most cases it's less than it would cost to drive.

For example, in a Cessna 152 with a tail wind of (in mph) of 10 mph, you'd get over 20 mpg. That particular plane burns between 5 and 6 gallons per hour (headwinds, elevation, etc)

The advantage is airplanes fly in a straight line. The actual distance a car would have to cover from 'Point A to Point B' would most likely be further with twists and turns in the route, so the actual miles traveled might be much less than by plane to begin with - a 120 mile straight line in a plane vs 150-160 miles in a car.

It wouldn't be uncommon at 6000 feet to get 30+ mpg - and again, over less distance traveled in most cases.

Without passengers, there's really no need for 'commercial pilots'.

Unless you have 2 sections of mesquite that need some Picloram...

...or a whitetail census

...or a pipeline check

...or diesel delivered above the Arctic Circle

...or a reduction in your coyote population

"Without passengers, there's really no need for 'commercial pilots'."

Posted by COMMONSENSE

It's a rating, goober.
I was 18.

My parents would only pay for the commercial rating.

I bought the private on my own by working after school, they saw the Commercial as a job skill.

My Cessna 172 got 17 MPG at 145 knots with no road.

The Baron was about 3 MPG but you could go to Denver for lunch.

My son has a Cessna 177 that rocks.

So are we becoming Nazi Germany, or Communist Russia?

Funny thing, I thought WE were the ones who were attacked on 911, so WHY is it WE have to give up OUR freedoms?

I want my pre-911 America BACK!

Should be a slogan on a T-shirt.

I want my pre-911 America BACK!

I want part of it back. I certainly don't want the part back that allowed terrorists on a plane with weapons that allowed them to hijack it.

This is nothing more that anxiety profiling. Imagine all those with BDS and PDS and their high anxiety levels.

I wanna see the technology that can tell the difference between an anxious terrorist and someone who's about to melt down because they're in an airport full of rude screeners, nonsensical rules, invasive procedures, storm-trooper announcements about the potential for arrest on the P.A. system, with their connecting flights about to take off without them because of the security delays.

Typical Bush-shit response to a situation; make some company rich developing a technology that won't really solve the problem, instead of applying common sense.

Exactly right, Mary. What's next? Mandatory lie detector tests for passengers?

Goatman --

Just now realized, when going back over this thread, that when I asked you for a second time (in my #53 post) about how high the rig's columns were (if they were embedded into the ocean floor, etc.) that I had somehow just entirely blown past your #44 post in which you explained everything about the rig's columns the first time I asked you about it (in my #43) and I never saw your first answer.

Maybe because your #44 immediately followed my #43 and, when I got back on the thread after posting it, by then a couple more posts had popped up after your #44 causing me to miss it. No wonder you couldn't understand what I was talking about when I repeated the same question about the rig's columns. I really need to keep better track of answers in all the posts rather than race thru the thread -- a bad habit of mine sometimes. Sorry to have made you waste time repeating your answer.

This was your post -- the one I had missed

# 44 - ...The columns are 39 meters from the main deck (that is the level the picture was taken from) to the pontoons. There are two pontoons that run fore to aft about 6 meters in diameter. The are compartmentalized to hold diesel fuel, drilling mud, potable water, drill water, ballast water, and barite. The barge engineer has to juggle these things around to keep the rig level

Yes, it does look high in the picture, but that is because we are unballasted to make the rig as high as possible since it is obviously shallow in the harbor/shipyard. During normal drilling ops, the main deck is about 10 - 12 meters above the water.

Hope this answers your questions.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2008-09-19 10:51 PM

sounds like out senators and reps will be yanked out of line a lot

Typical Bush-shit response to a situation; make some company rich developing a technology that won't really solve the problem, instead of applying common sense.

#87 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-09-20 04:13 PM |

What is your common sense approach for airport security, whore?