Well, it demonstrates that in America, people still have a voice so that they can express their views, while under Islam with its joinder of church and state, suprression is much simpler. And Turkey was one of the most secular Islamic states, but is reverting to providing Islamists with power.

When churches gain power over secular affairs, they assert themselves to the extent they can as the Islamists have done here in Turkey, and as the Catholic Church has done recently in Croatia. Self-policing and restraint in use of power is contrary to the psychology of belief, which as do the traditional religions, and as does the political religion of the left, derive justification for their actions from their self-percieved reighteousness.

Beware of the self-righteous whatever form they assume to advance their causes.

the earth is flat!

Where is the ACLU when you need them!?

"derive justification for their actions from their self-percieved reighteousness.
Beware of the self-righteous whatever form they assume to advance their causes"

YEAH!

Why not just say it!

Bush and his Party (base)!

the aclu can exist only in countries where christian values are exercised --- freedom.

bees are intelligently designed to help in food production.

Islam is not compatible with freedom and unrestrained expression of views. Many of you libs keep pretending that Islam is not an all-encompassing totalitarian undertaking, and among the actual "pillars of islam" is suppression of thought, repression of women, and a drive to world domination.

Don't worry. If the Islamics become sufficiently numerous in the United States, and become a key voting bloc, the emasculated politicians to whom political power is equated with life, will accommodate the Islamics regardless of the effect of such concessions on our traditional way of life.

In deference to the Islamic religion, rather than adapting to American practices, there are contracts by firms recognizing Islamic holidays as official holidays, and changing work-place practices to accommodate their five time a day prayer routine. These indulgences are, of course at an economic cost, which affects the American public. But Islamics are very demanding and challenging, and insistent on the greater community accommodating them, rather than vice versa. And the weaklings who are today's American authorities, or employers, lack the qualities that would enable them to resist such demands.

More's the pity.

It bodes ill.

Oops! Christian Extremists, Muslim Extremist -- Same Difference! They are really indistinguishable now aday

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people who leave the religion, become apostates?

Do "Christian extremists" today try to kill authors of books that insult Christianity?

Do "Christian extremists" today become suicide bombers?

Do "Christian extremists" today engage in and support "honor killings?"

The list can be extended.

Are you serious regarding your professed inability to distinguish "Christian extremists" from Islamics? Surely you jest. For your sake, I would hope so.

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people who leave the religion, become apostates?

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Yes. we call them muslims.
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Do "Christian extremists" today try to kill authors of books that insult Christianity?

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No, they have progressed to book burning.
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Do "Christian extremists" today become suicide bombers?

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Nope. They do it from airplanes.
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Do "Christian extremists" today engage in and support "honor killings?"

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Learn about military culture sometime, then shut the fuck up instead of making a jackass of yourself.
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The list can be extended.

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I have a long one, but will refrain...
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Are you serious regarding your professed inability to distinguish "Christian extremists" from Islamics? Surely you jest. For your sake, I would hope so.

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The towelheads hate us for our freedom, we just kill for oil and let god sort em out.

Palin Approved!(TM)

As a retired naval officer I still remember a verbal exchange I had with a rising star in the strategic planning community. She was a devout born-again. When discussing islamic extremism, her response took on a decidedly theocratic tone. I invoked Dawkins in response and she about flipped.

St. Thomas Aquinas brought scholasticism and the power of rational thought to a blindly unthinking medieval Christian world and succeeded. (Averroes attempted to do the same for a medieval Muslim world, but failed.) Has the limit of rational thought been matched by extremism of all stripes?

For the record, I believe in evolution. It is totally consistent with the Koran.

There is a movement in Turkey led by a prolific author of Islamic books "Haroon Yahya" who is much against evolution.

The man has interesting theories about many things and I think he is very smart, but I sure don't agree with him when it comes to evolution.

If you look up Haroon Yahya, you will see his parents committed him to the loony bin when he was young. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I KNEW IT!!!

Without even reading the article I knew it must be something to do with Haroon Yahya. LOL

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Adnan Oktar, who writes under the pen name of Harun Yahya, complained that Dawkins, a fierce critic of creationism and intelligent design, had insulted him in comments made on forums and blogs.
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It's a clash of personalities of two assholes. A private fight gone ugly.

Richard Dawkins is a brilliant scientist, but a scientist is still limited and does not know everything.

Dawkins is spiritually blind and full of arrogance. He is also blind to the scientific fact that potato is INTELLIGENTly DESIGNed for human consumption.

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people who leave the religion, become apostates?

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Yes. we call them muslims.
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Do "Christian extremists" today try to kill authors of books that insult Christianity?

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No, they have progressed to book burning.
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Do "Christian extremists" today become suicide bombers?

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Nope. They do it from airplanes.
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Do "Christian extremists" today engage in and support "honor killings?"

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Learn about military culture sometime, then shut the fuck up instead of making a jackass of yourself.
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The list can be extended.

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I have a long one, but will refrain...
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Are you serious regarding your professed inability to distinguish "Christian extremists" from Islamics? Surely you jest. For your sake, I would hope so.

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The towelheads hate us for our freedom, we just kill for oil and let god sort em out.

What a fucking moron!

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people

No, but the pro "late term abortion" people kill babies, I think.
Damn, that group turns out to be the libs. Who would have thunk.

**** Many of you libs keep pretending that Islam is ....
...... Posted by Johnson ******

.....we don't pretend anything......

....all religious believers are equally delusional....

.....some are just more dangerous because of the content of their beliefs......

.....johnson......

....is playing the game of "My Delusion is Better Than Your Delusion".......

......you are all sick bastards who bring misery to the world......

Where is the American Civil Liberties Union when you need them!?

#3 | Posted by KBM

They'd be in America, moron. Don't tell me you went to the same geography classes as Condi and Johnnyboy.

"bees are intelligently designed to help in food production"

This is the funniest thing I have ever seen, so why was the dinosaur "created", to help in oil production

Was the plague created to help in culling morons like yourself?

You try to attack science as unsubstantiated, and make claims like bees were created to help in food production? You are hysterical, on what day were they created and at what rate? Not sure seven days leaves enough time for that one.... since there have been several million living organisms on the planet, all of which according to you were created, why were some created and then put through extinction events? Did god make a mistake? How come these creatures evolve now and change, if god made them they must have been perfect the first time and thus there is no need to change.

Your comments are laughable.....are you really Haroons cousin, Buffoon??

LM

"Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people

No, but the pro "late term abortion" people kill babies, I think.
Damn, that group turns out to be the libs. Who would have thunk"

No, more moronic claims from someone who doesn't know the concept of truth.

Here is a bit of truth for you Snippy.....

Northern Ireland..my homeland where catholics and protestants kill each other to this very day.....

Nigeria, ethnic cleansing by christains to remove other "impure" religions from country.

Middle east......all kinds of jews, christians and muslims killing each other.......

South Africa.....christians eradicate those who practice "dark powers" "black magic" "witches"......

USA....christian freaks who only pray to god to heal them and die of needless/reckless actions.

OH yes, and since you like to bring the abortion topic in, I love how pro-life righties are so quick to rush to teh death penalty, who'd thunk it!!

LM

What a fucking moron!
Posted by TheOneBS

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Blow it out your ass you pretentious cocksucker.

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people
No, but the pro "late term abortion" people kill babies, I think.
Damn, that group turns out to be the libs. Who would have thunk.
#15 | Posted by Sniper

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As opposed to christians = bomb, kill, rape, pillage, torture, take people away in the night, etc.... BUT DON'T ABORT THE FETUS!!!

That would be wrong.

OH yes, and since you like to bring the abortion topic in, I love how pro-life righties are so quick to rush to teh death penalty, who'd thunk it!!

#20 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

If they don't kill 'late term abortion' babies, what do they do with them? I know, they send them to prison for life.

The christian killing that you rant about are illegal in every cristian country, not so with most of the radical muslim killings. I guess you realy don't see the difference.

not so with most of the radical muslim killings. I guess you realy don't see the difference.

With Christian inspired (American caused) killings in Iraq exceeding 600,000, I don't see how you can even compare your infidel self to muslim-extremists. LOL

Just putting things in perspective for the blind infidels amongst us.

The christian killing that you rant about are illegal in every cristian country

The war in Iraq is illegal too, infidel.

WMD! WMD in Iraq! He tried to kill me Daddy! lol

"The towelheads hate us for our freedom, we just kill for oil and let god sort em out."

Shawn has now become the owner of the most ignorant retort of the day.

Shawn has now become the owner of the most ignorant retort of the day.

He was being a bit sarcastic, mate.

"If they don't kill 'late term abortion' babies, what do they do with them? I know, they send them to prison for life."

I am all for abortions, early term, late term, I really wish we had the ability for a second term abortion (see GWB for clarity). I never said they aren't born, we just differ on what killing is, I believe life starts after birth, not conception.

The christian killing that you rant about are illegal in every cristian country, not so with most of the radical muslim killings. I guess you realy don't see the difference.

I see the difference, the difference is you said christians don't do those things, I pointed out your incorrect statement and you come back on some wild tangent about legality??

What I see and you don't, is ALL religions kill!! I also see some without religion also kill, but they don't try to defend their insane actions with mumbo jumbo religous sanctity. And their propensity for these actions, per populus, are far less than that of christians.

LM

sorry forgot quotes on your

"The christian killing that you rant about are illegal in every cristian country, not so with most of the radical muslim killings. I guess you realy don't see the difference"

LM

Onward christian soldiers! = legal baby killing for jesus!!!

"...bees are intelligently designed to help in food production....Posted by takitez"

They help in food production for THEMSELVES...ensuring survival of THEIR species. We just ROB them of their food. That's called survival of OUR species.

I suppose BLACK WIDOW SPIDERS are Intelligently Designed to KILL HUMANS.

MORON DIOS!

I'd like to add to this Moron Johnson's List too:

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people who leave the religion, become apostates?

Yes. In fact they Smother, or drown or beat their children to death - whom they think have been invaded by Satan and deserve to die if they can't be exorcised.

Do "Christian extremists" today try to kill authors of books that insult Christianity?

In a name: Allen Berg.

Do "Christian extremists" today become suicide bombers?

They are called HOMICIDE BOMBERS - Remember???

Which brings us to: Timothy McVeigh.

Do "Christian extremists" today engage in and support "honor killings?"

Sure do. It's called Gay bashing. You Honor your God if you kill a gay. Your Bible says so. And your Christian Judges reduce your verdicts and penalties to second degree murder for your 'Gay Panic'

The list can be extended...

Yes it can. Forever. Truth wins out, Johnson, Takitez, Grendel, et al. And it has NOTHING to do with your false Magical Sky Fairy God.

bees are intelligently designed to help in food production.

#5 | Posted by takitez

whats your excuse moron?

Bees were the result of millions of years of evolution.

I can see subtle differences in behavior and form between my differing species in my apiary.

I wish fuckheads that have no clue about bees and have never managed bees would just shut the fuck up about them.

I wonder if taketz is intelligently designed for an ass beating?

The millions of years is a ruse to brainwash the gullible. Its another code word for :we don't know and we do not have the evidence, but we believe it to be so.

Eagles are INTELLIGENTly DESIGNed to fly --- it never evolved.

Potato is intelligently designed for human consumption.

Takeitez was definitely not intelligently designed.

Do "Christian extremists" today, kill people

Only if you consider muslims "people". Palin apparently doesn't. Or Boykin.
Or any of the Rightwing "crusaders".

neither did hitler consider non-germans to be human. And yes, christians did in fact endorse nazism in the early days.