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Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Tim Wise: For those who still cant grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

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in the words of chris rock

its all right
if your all white

excellent article.

Jeez, what a bunch of silliness and drivel.

If all the Left can find to pin on Mrs. Palin is the mantle of white privilege (because she protects her children even when they are stupid, had the determination to keep returning to college, etc.) then Mrs. Palin must be a fairly decent person.

Remember, it's the blogger hack that's tossing this around as 'white privilege.' Not once has Mrs. Palin said she should be treated special because she's white.

And this courageous columnist gets into lockstep by trying to make an issue the fact that the population of Alaska is smaller than a lot of other states. As if running a smaller organization, with fewer people, is easier than a big one with a huge staff.

Remember too that the Dems a while back were about to nominate the mayor of Vermont for the TOP OF THE TICKET. Vermont, a population comparable to Alaska: Very small and lily white.

The only difference between Howard Dean and Barak HUSSEIN Osama is that Dean deflated early in the primary season. Osama is deflating before our eyes, right now.

Oh, and Dean had White Privilege.

Vernon can you even vote? You need to focus on the politics of the 3rd world country you live in.

White trash priviledge extends to calling Obama "Osama" and using his middle name to show how xenophobic and racist one is, I might add.

Also, noone said Mrs. Palin said she should be treated better for it - she doesn't need to. She will be anyway. Nor is the "mantle of white privilege" something to pin against her, so much as an observation of how very hypocritical the right is and how they get away with using those two words again- racism and xenophobia.

Truthfully, the left doesn't need to pin that against her. We have the weight of the fact that people will get bored of her whining about sexism in the face of legitimate questions and start to ask them anyway, and when they do they will find out she's a tragically uninformed right-wing idealogue who is dangerous in her fundamentalism, cronyism, and other ways in which she mirrors Bush - only in an even more back-woods hick way. We don't even have to call her inexperienced - we just have to compare her experience to another religious wing-nut who was against big government even as they implemented it, and had executive experience as a governor. His name, again, is Bush. Lastly, as glaringly anti-intellectual and irrational as his term in office has been, one can compare that Bush's education makes him look genius next to Palin.

Even if McCain were JFK, George Wahington, Thomas Jefferson, and Lincoln all rolled into one, at his age, having Palin a heartbeat from the presidency would still make him a gamble not worth taking, and McCain's a far cry from any such historic figure.

McCain is more of an American than Obama is.

Not getting into whether I agree with this article or not, what do you think this article is going to do? Embarass republicans into voting for Obama?

"If all the Left can find to pin on Mrs. Palin is the mantle of white privilege"

If that were all then Vernon might have a point but it's not so he doesn't.

"McCain is more of an American than Obama is."

Perfect example of more white privelege.

McCain is more of an American than Obama is.

Since he was around talking military strategy to Abe Lincoln, he's certainly got seniority. And senility.

But I'm sure the Fighty Rightys will be along soon to explain this is just sexist and Saint Sarah actually helped McSame invent the blackberry

"Embarass republicans into voting for Obama?"

They will make fun of it and thus make it elitist.

McCain is a historic figure. Like those in a museum or antique store.

If all the Left can find to pin on Mrs. Palin is the mantle of white privilege
Vernon-you can add dishonesty, corruption, cronyism and incompetence to what can already be pinned on Saint sarah.
But I do realize these are core Republican values.

Outstanding article. Sums it all up perfectly.

What the author describes isn't really white privilege as it is bias based on social class. This isn't anything new and it applies to virtually every politician out there.

They will make fun of it and thus make it elitist.

#10 | Posted by danni

I guess that's my point, if you don't already think this way, then this article isn't going to be what convinces you... and probably it will do just the opposite.

In short, this article is no help to Obama.

Vermin, do the lobotomy scars show, or did you grow your hair out?

An interesting take on racism and bigotry:

"In his first book, The Way We'll Be, Zogby predicts that Americans who are now between 18 and 29 will be the first colorblind generation. He calls them the "first globals," young Americans who are acquiring an "expansive world view" as they mature. They are better educated and more connected to the world than previous generations. They have a greater appreciation of the need for international cooperation, mainly because of environmental and human rights issues.

The "first globals" are consumers, to be sure, but they are less likely to define the American dream in terms of materialism. They don't expect to live as well as their parents or grandparents did, but they consider personal fulfillment a top priority. Zogby believes the "first globals" are leading America to "a new age of inclusion and authenticity."

This sounds like wishful thinking, but it's based on Zogby Interactive's comprehensive polling system. Others have noticed this transformation."

Dan Rodricks -- www.baltimoresun.com

I don't care if it helps Obama.

It's true, and that's all that matters.

Enjoy that mirror folks!

Vern likes the koolaid...he thinks it's tasty. What do you think the odds are that he has a plaster lawn jockey in the front 40? Old times are not forgotten, eh Verno?

That article is the biggest pile of distorted shit I have seen in a long time.

The points are valid, every one. Tho I question the level of contribution of white privilege.

I am suspect of anything that claims a single contributor to a situation. White privilege may indeed play a part in any or all of these, but there are far more things at play. Double standards, the "sex" card (that Palin & co cry sexism at every turn whenever anyone criticizes her), ignorance and completely screwed up values.

White privilege is blogging about white privilege, on my Mac, at the local Starbucks, while listening to Nina Simone.

I am cool, like the other side of the pillow...

There is no doubt in my mind that there are a certain percentage of democrats who tell pollsters and some of their friends they are voting for Obama but will NOT do so on election day. Consequently, to have a more accurate look at the polls, these non-votes or votes for Mccain have to be taken into account. I truly believe Obama's numbers would be a point or two less and Mccain's a point or two higher. Don't ask me to prove it...I can't. Just watch the polls compared to election day results.

"White privilege is blogging about white privilege, on my Mac, at the local Starbucks, while listening to Nina Simone."

Trying to block out those cackling hens, Andrea?

White Privilege?

White privilege is blogging about white privilege, on my Mac, at the local Starbucks, while listening to Nina Simone.

Actually, that isn't 'White Privilege'.

That's called 'Gay Pride'.

Gosh, the privileges are black, aren't they?

The set-asides in business contracts awarded not because of competency but because of being black, the lower standards, special tuition grants, and special tutoring to secure black enrollment in colleges, and the court decrees that prevented whites from being promoted in say a Fire Department while lower qualified blacks were promoted to secure racial balance by advancing lesser qualified blacks.

This is "white privilege?"

And the white community is cowed and punished by a zeitgeist that prevents any unbiased discussion of the situation of blacks. A Dodger organization sport's official years ago, was drummed out of his employment for observing that aspects of the black physique better qualified blacks for certain athletic achievement.

Why was this "taboo?" Well, the thesis advanced is that there is "no difference" between blacks and say, whites. Because there is just homo sapiens sapiens you see, so there can be no distinctions. It's as silly as maintaining that there are no differences between St. Bernards and Doberman Pinschers and greyhounds and poodles and Pekingese. It is contrary to genetics that characteristics have not clustered in particular areas in which people were relatively isolated and did not interbreed on a massive scale with other groups.

This is evidenced in susceptibility to certain physical maladies, which occur in certain groups.

It is ridiculous. I can envision a scenario in which a red-headed light-skinned couple of Irish descent, and a dark-skinned couple (melanin you know) of Nigerian descent are in a park during a hot summer day with their children. given the zeitgeist, the Irish mother would need to "apologize" to the Nigerian mother if the Irish mother were to use sunscreen on her child who was more susceptible to sunburn. Because, we all know that there are "no differences." This came to mind because I know a black mother of a mulatto child, who told me that she was unaware initially that her son could be sunburned, suffer adverse effects from exposure to the sun.

The writer of this article is full of malarkey with his propositions, and if someone were to take the time to do so, the positions could all be rebutted. They do, however, reflect the mindset of the white leftist, who is trying to make a case for compensatory discrimination. He's trying to justify the years of special programs for blacks, many administered by scoundrels, who have agitated the groups rather than encouraging positive activities, and who have skimmed off much money for no purpose other than to sustain the black community in its dependency, but with some quietude.

What the writer is trying to do is justify the very apparent institutionalized discrimination in favor of blacks, and to support the cultural malaise that makes it taboo to discuss the achievements and activities of blacks, or even allude to possible differences in aptitude and performance, which distort outcomes, when the courts have in their ignorance ruled that "every distinguishable grouping" has the same capacities, and any difference in outcome is due to "discrimination."

(cont.)

(cont.)

They hold that "discrimination" is to be corrected by misuse of governmental power. And there are even institutions developed as part of the government hierarchy that pursues cases for the aggrieved with the government providing the financial and legal support for those making allegations of discrimination. There are also groups at least partially funded by the government that act as co-protagonists with blacks, or that solicit blacks as plaintiffs to compel submission to their demands.

This intevention may benefit some, but there is reciprocal harm to others. So that if a company sets aside promotional positions for blacks because of their race, or gives a beer distributorship to a Jesse Jackson crony purportedly based on race and without the usual financial outlay requirements imposed, then other contenders for promotion are disadvantaged, and others vying for a beer distributorship find it unavailable because of the shakedown type involvement.

Oh well. Despite all of the inducements and advantages, I look in vain for the participation of blacks commensuarte with their overall numbers, in math, hard science, and engineering fields, for example, while there is an overpreponderant participation of orientals on scientific papers. Is it random? Or what? Or are there different strokes for different folks with adaptation not suspended for groups of humans, who sustain themselves in particular environments.

"The points are valid, every one."

Really? Who has ever said that Bristol's boyfriend is "responsible" or a great "son-in-law," and have enough people said that for the author to suggest it is the consensus?

Who has ever said that providing rights to criminals is a dangerous and silly idea, and have enough people said that for the author to suggest it is the consensus?

Since when is attracting the attention of female voters by putting a woman on the ticket an assertion of "white" privilege and not "gender" privilege?

Face it. The article is full of strawmen, and I'm sure the author had a fun time pretending he was right in his own mind.

Nooo, not another I want to "whine about whites" thread again.

This article is a bunch of crap. It has everything to do with poitics (Republican v. Democrat candidates) and nothing to do with the fact that Palin is white.

I'm white and I've critiqued all the points about Palin being made in this article and didn't give her a pass on most of them. Everyone on here who is white has put in their two cents about Palin and what they think and there have been plenty of negative comments so how do the minorities explain that?

I'm just wondering, due to all the "whiney about whites" subjects that pop up on here, do minorities ever wake up in the morning without the first thought in their head being about the color of their skin and how they are "so oppressed" by white people?

What are non-whites going to bitch about if Obama, a black guy, wins the the presidency?

Then what will you whiiiiiiiiine about every day?

Secretly minorities who are always whining about whites probably would rather not have Obama win because then they'd have to shut up forever if a black guy was elected to the highest office in the land. THEN what will the racebaiters whine and moan about?

What are non-whites going to bitch about if Obama, a black guy, wins the the presidency?

The author looked white to me.

Pointing out obvious biases isn't whining or bitching.

The points he made are pretty clear. I don't think he meant to offend you but it sure looks like he did.

Sorry about that.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because every family has challenges,-- even as black and Latino families with similar challenges-- are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
Nope, its when your already living on government "assistance" and you continue the patterns that your mother followed which is why your on goverment 'assistance'.

Why can't a snot nosed punk like Wise understand this?

Sometimes you don't know when you are lucky. Certainly I did not consider myself lucky when I left home at seventeen and discovered the hard way that there was no great demand for a black teenage dropout with no experience and no skill.

In retrospect, however, those days of struggling to earn money to pay the room rent and buy food left little time or energy for navel-gazing over things like "identity."

All this came back to me recently when I saw a font-page story about middle-class blacks worrying about their racial identity. There, on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, was a picture of a black teenager whose mother was fixing his bow tie as he was getting dressed in a tuxedo, in preparation for a cotillion.

I never had the problem of wearing a tuxedo to a cotillion, so it was hard for me to empathize with their angst.

When I was that kid's age, I had real problems that taught me real lessons to remember when times got better, not navel-gazing problems that can distract you from reality for a lifetime.

Apparently there are middle-class blacks who spend a lot of time and energy worrying about losing their roots and losing touch with their black brothers back in the 'hood.

In one sense, it is good that there are people who think about others less fortunate than themselves. That's fine but, like most good things, it can be carried to the point where it is both ridiculous and counterproductive for all concerned.

In a world where an absolute majority of black children are born and raised in fatherless homes, where most black kids never finish high school and where the murder rate among blacks is several times the national average, surely there must be more urgent priorities than preserving a lifestyle and an identity.

During decades of researching racial and ethnic groups in countries around the world-- with special attention to those who began in poverty and then rose to prosperity-- I have yet to find one so preoccupied with tribalistic identity as to want to maintain solidarity with all members of their group, regardless of what they do or how they do it.

Any group that rises has to have norms, and that means repudiating those who violate those norms, if you are serious. Blind tribalism means letting the lowest common denominator determine the norms and the fate of the whole group.

There was a time when most blacks, like most of the Irish or the Jews, understood this common sense. But that was before the romanticizing of identity took over, beginning in the 1960s.

Back in 19th century America, the Catholic Church took on the task of changing the behavior of the poverty-stricken Irish immigrants, in order to prepare them to rise in American society. As this transformation succeeded, employers' signs that said "No Irish Need Apply" began to disappear in the 20th century.

The Jewish community likewise made many efforts to change the behavior of immigrants from Eastern Europe, to enable them to better fit into American society-- and to rise in that society.

The Urban League and other black uplift groups made similar efforts to prepare their fellow blacks to rise in American society. In fact, those efforts began to pay off in dramatic reductions in poverty among blacks, even before the civil rights laws of the 1960s.

The unanswered question is why an approach with a proven track record, not only in American society but in various other countries around the world, has been superseded by a philosophy of tribal identity over-riding issues of behavior and performance....

...Will time and energy spent on rap music and wearing low-riding baggy pants like guys in prison-- as badges of identity-- provide as good a future for young people as learning math, computers and the English language?...blockquote>

www.realclearpolitics.com


This article is brilliant. Everybody knows that if Barack Obama were a white man, he'd be leading by 30 points over John "Cancerman" McCain. America is a racist nation that always looks the other way for white people. Blacks in this country are consistently and systematically oppressed. Someday, hopefully in November, the situation will be turned around and whites will finally know what it's like to be on the outside.

A second article that made me laugh today in it's raw cluelessness! Today truly is worthy on the Drudge for me between fixing all both of the computers I have to fix today...

This article isn't about "white" anything. It's about class and political party. The turnabout argument works as well. Is it "Black Privilege" that you can automagically get 95% of Black voters by cynically running an underqualified Black man with a history of doing whatever it takes to increase his own personal power?

Good lord, what a righteous dumbass. Allow me to reduce his entire article to two sentences.

"I hate Palin but I don't want people to think I say that because I am sexist. Vote for Obama because you should be ashamed of our country for being so racist!"

Everybody knows that if Barack Obama were a white man, he'd be leading by 30 points over John "Cancerman" McCain.
#34 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch

No, Hillary would be the Dem candidate.

And I'd still be voting Nader.

Or, even that was too longwinded, I'll reduce it to one sentence.

"I am an unthinking sheep, but I can use long words."

So what? This article doesen't change anything. If you agree with it or disagree with it, it doesen't change the fact that different people see things in different ways. You could say "some people get away with more because they add more to the stew" or you could say that "some people get away with less because they don't add as much to the stew". It still doesn't change things. If your white, black, brown, red or yellow and are happy with who you are, Great! If not.....piss up a rope! No one else wants to hear about it.

No, Hillary would be the Dem candidate.

And I'd still be voting Nader.

#36 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-09-16 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keeerect, Hags. If Obama was white, they never woulda run his megalomaniacal lying ass.

And I woulda voted Democrat. I'm actually happy this election came along to show me the bullshit inherent in BOTH the majour parties, and not just Republicans.

Who that fuck posted this thread?! You just made Johnson crawl from underneth his rock...


Nope, its when your already living on government "assistance" and you continue the patterns that your mother followed which is why your on goverment 'assistance'.


Why can't a snot nosed punk like Wise understand this?

#32 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2008-09-16 01:18 PM

Wasn't one of Palin's staff members paid to babysit her kids. Isn't that 'government assistance'?


Another confidante of Ms. Palins is Ms. Frye, 27. She worked as a receptionist for State Senator Lyda Green before she joined Ms. Palins campaign for governor. Now Ms. Frye earns $68,664 as a special assistant to the governor. Her frequent interactions with Ms. Palins children have prompted some lawmakers to refer to her as the babysitter,-- a title that Ms. Frye disavows.

www.nytimes.com

Good article but I'm reminded today and for all subsequent days that the article doesn't ring true for the type of mentality that could vote for a GWB and his clone.

Everybody knows that if Barack Obama were a white man, he'd be leading by 30 points over John "Cancerman" McCain.
#34 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch


If Obama were a white man Edwards would be on the top of the ticket and McCane would still win.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think youre being pithy and tough...

Pointing out obvious biases isn't whining or bitching

Pray tell how Obama fought for a womans right to vote? Did he provide ID's? Give them a ride? Register them? Where did Obama move for a eight hour workday and end child labor? In fucking Chicago? I thought his specialty as a community organizer would be to get these women jobs. Give them an opportunity to work more than eight hours a day if they wanted the extra pay.Seems like he is telling those who employ these women what to do. The child labor? Well that is beyond my paygrade. As well as this article having anything to do with Obama and Palin and more to do with a message of white guilt.

Everybody knows that if Barack Obama were a white man, he'd be leading by 30 points over John "Cancerman" McCain.

KnowsTooMuch you don't know very much do you? Out of class for today?

Pray tell how Obama fought for a womans right to vote?

In a former life Obama was a white woman.

America is a racist nation that always looks the other way for white people. Blacks in this country are consistently and systematically oppressed. Someday, hopefully in November, the situation will be turned around and whites will finally know what it's like to be on the outside.

#34 | POSTED BY KNOWSTOOMUCH
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It's time to pull that finger out of your nose. You're at least two knuckles into brain.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president

Beats blaming it on diebold this year I guess...

What's the Over/Under on the number of cocks this guy has had in him? No matter what I'm taking the Over.

#46 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE
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Good bet Rob. I'm taking Over your Over.

Good bet Rob. I'm taking Over your Over.

#50 | Posted by the_nether

If you added up the inches, I'm betting 17 miles...

Tim Wise is among the most prominent anti-racist writers and activists in the U.S

What's hilarious is if this guy walked around Camden NJ he'd still get robbed and shot... thanks for your work...

If you added up the inches, I'm betting 17 miles...

#51 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE
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Oh at least! And I'm just talking about today!

If you added up the inches, I'm betting 17 miles...

Someone is going to triple flag that post. You may be put on double secret probation.

Someone is going to triple flag that post. You may be put on double secret probation.

#54 | Posted by crispee_oc

Worth it... I'm still laughing...

Tim Wise is among the most prominent anti-racist writers and activists in the U.S

Is that supposed to mean that he's better than everybody else. Damn those uppity white people. Always thinking they're better than us.

Remember too that the Dems a while back were about to nominate the mayor of Vermont for the TOP OF THE TICKET. Vermont, a population comparable to Alaska: Very small and lily white.

#3 | Posted by vernon at 2008-09-16 01:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"about to nominate...."

????

I guess the right was "just about to nominate" Ron Paul too then? How about Shitt Romney? I guess he just about to be nominated....

So, if you run, you're now "about to be nominated" in your book?


This guys picture says, "I was beat up by a white girl when I was twelve, and I'm still not over it"

Any bets he attends a Trinity Church. Seems I have heard these observations over the last few years.

McCain is more of an American than Obama is.

#6 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2008-09-16 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"More of an American"

??

If both are non-naturalized US citizens, how is one "more American"? Please don't give me some flag-waving dribble either.

Just explain how one is somehow more of an American in your eyes.

This is an absolutely putrid pathetic piece of journalistic crap that gives great insight into just how desperate Obama and company are. Obama's campaign is doing a terrific job of kicking their own asses just look at the latest ad insulting McCain for being Email illiterate. Obama and company must have decided we don't need any votes from senior citizens so just lump them all together and insinuate they are stupid. Before this latest escapade Obama and company insulted Gun owners and Christians with his rhetoric. I wonder which group will be next to be insulted, Obama is on a roll now let's see No Christians, No Gun Owners, No senior citizens, No soccer moms the only group left is the liberal dumb@ss group. Obama and the MSM are doing more to help McCain than any other group. I have never witnessed such extremely high levels of stupidity in my life, they are clueless and obviously desperate. I have not been this amazed since Chuck Gibson insulted every woman in America with his condescending interview wiggling his foot and starring down his Eckerd spectacles with a smug look at Palin. He came across as an arrogant @sshole and Palin did extremely well even with loaded questions.


This guys picture says, "I was beat up by a white girl when I was twelve, and I'm still not over it"

#59 | Posted by the_nether

FF .............Stop!!!!

Just explain how one is somehow more of an American in your eyes.

#61 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

One sacrificed for his country in ways few have...

The other thinks America made AIDS... Well actually just the guy he called his mentor does, same guy who baptised him, married him, baptised his kids, Obama used his speech to title his book... You know what nevermind, I'm sure they share few if any beliefs.

Someone needs to write a blog about "white guilt" and voting for Obama in response to this. Both would be equally worthless.

"The other thinks America made AIDS... Well actually just the guy he called his mentor does, same guy who baptised him, married him, baptised his kids, Obama used his speech to title his book... You know what nevermind, I'm sure they share few if any beliefs."

I guess it must be getting time to start posting some of Palin's preacher's comments.

Being a shitty pilot isn't a sacrafice.

The only thing that John McCain sacraficed was 5 of the tax payers planes.

I guess it must be getting time to start posting some of Palin's preacher's comments.

#66 | Posted by danni

You can... but I'm betting he's white, so it won't matter. the funny part is you guys probably think the Wright issue is dead...

Just explain how one is somehow more of an American in your eyes.

Not to jump in on poster... I would point out serving our country is a boost. Voting against the Flag Bill isn't something to brag about. Voting for english as the official language seems more american than not voting against said bill. Attending a church which has nothing good to say about america seems unamerican. Just a few minor points compared to the big picture. But they are what they are.

The only thing that John McCain sacraficed was 5 of the tax payers planes.

Yet 22 of 23 missions should be ignored? Another winning argument.

Quote from article:
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words under God-- in the pledge of allegiance because if it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me,-- and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the under God-- part wasnt added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


Ironically, Wise dumps on Palin for her comment about the founding fathers, and then in the same sentence follows it up with his own misinformed gaffe. Reading criminals their rights is not "because of, ya know [sic], the Consitution". Reading them their rights is assured by the US Supreme Court Miranda decision of 1966. Although Wise is wrong in his claim that the Miranada warning is required by the Consitution, one could argue that maybe he really meant that the Miranda warning is designed to protect the suspect's Fifth Amendment rights as defined in the Constitution, but then one would have to allow that maybe Palin really meant that our Founding Fathers believed in a nation founded under God, and that's what she was referring to in her original statement. It's too bad that Wise has to take such a tortured route to proving the obvious point that it easier to be white in America than to be a minority. I mean, except for those who get a free ride to Milton Academy and Harvard.

Yet 22 of 23 missions should be ignored? Another winning argument.

Accomplishing????????

Guilty white people suck. They are basically racists who don't have the balls to walk around in white hoods so they pick on their own race under the guise of being sophisticated instead. If you must view everything that happens in racial terms then you are part of the problem no matter how PC you think you are being....

exxageration and fear monegering is saying unemployment is skyrocketing when we're at what 6.1% AND since it's SO bad I guess that means our illegal immigration problem is cured?...Right?

Cause if it were so bad, why are they coming?

And according to dept of labor "mining and healthcare continue to rise" So when that ebb & flow finally makes it's mark everything should settle back...kinda like the oil thing. Where are we at today 93 bucks a barrel. Where was it a couple weeks ago around 140-150? Lets not knee-jerk and let the tide ride itself out.

Do we need to get better? Hell yea. What does the banking and housing situation have to do with an administration when the people are going out and getting mortgages at 120% of their paychecks? So they get 2 and 3 jobs, realise this is BS then give it back to the bank. And the banks that hand them out aren't to blame also?

Thats all called Greed and I'm glad to see ALL falling on their faces, banks and homeowners alike. Thats what u get for trying to keep up with the Jones'. I dont believe the Bushs' have anything to do with that nor any Dem or Rep Sen or G-man alike.


Guilty white people suck. They are basically racists who don't have the balls to walk around in white hoods so they pick on their own race under the guise of being sophisticated instead. If you must view everything that happens in racial terms then you are part of the problem no matter how PC you think you are being....

#73 | Posted by sully

Well said!

"the funny part is you guys probably think the Wright issue is dead..."

Not at all, the dirty parts of this election are still to come.

Accomplishing????????

#72 | Posted by Manypaths at 2008-09-16 02:15 PM

Ask the North Vietnamese.

Where's the soup? With this many crackers lurking about, there must be soup.

Obama on himself:
With the help of Chuck Gibson and the rest of the MSM we want to piss off the following groups to ensure they do not vote for our campaign.

1. NO Gun toting Christians

2. No senior citizens that may be Email illiterate.

3. NO Military Veterans or POW's that have so many injuries they may not be able to type 60 words per minute.

4. No soccer moms.

5. No women (see Chuck Gibson's condescending interview)

Way to go Obama and company you are kicking your own asses...

They are basically racists
#73 | Posted by sully
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Exactly.
What sweet irony that a guy who feels this country is racist, is the one writing an article about race! You brought it up, Wise! Look in the mirror! The only one talking about race is the douche looking back at you!

Good posting #71 overall, Nappy. I do agree that if Tim Wise went to the trouble of calling attention to Palin's error, it is ironic that he makes a similar error in the details. But that makes you guilty of the same snippy parsing, no?

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think youre being pithy and tough...


Where does this apply to Obama as a community organizer?

For the real story on Racism as it pertains to this campaign watch DA VIEW where cranially challenged Hollyweird actor Whoopi Goldberg asks McCain if he will bring back slavery...

For the real story on Racism as it pertains to this campaign watch DA VIEW where cranially challenged Hollyweird actor Whoopi Goldberg asks McCain if he will bring back slavery...

Didn't Cameron Diaz (from the same hollywood poly sci class) articulate Bush would make rape legal if elected back in 2004?

A very intelligent and insightful article. I highly recommend people share it with others over the internet. Another instance where fair minded people will agree with the authors conclusions. (And partisan hacks will desperately try to dismiss it as drivel.)

A very intelligent and insightful article. I highly recommend people share it with others over the internet. Another instance where fair minded people will agree with the authors conclusions. (And partisan hacks will desperately try to dismiss it as drivel.)

Where did Obama fight for a womens right to vote? End child labor exploitation, and organize a eight hour work day for women? Even from a partisan hack like me, you have to admit it seems he stretched the so called community service worthiness.

YES !! I love this article. I love anything that keeps reminding the public how much the left hates middle America, and anything that keeps reminding the public that Obama is black. This article is a 2-fer !!

Nice one, Wise. Your check from Karl Rove is in the mail.

All I saw from this article is another afro-centric theologist who is a closet racist. Him and his ilk, along with socialists, and community organizers, want to keep people of color down by giving them the victim mentality. This white guy is so full of crap that he's actually brown. There is no such thing as white privelege. There definitiely is bcolor privelege, like you owe me because my ancestors might have been a slave and you are white. Or how about, You owe me because my parents taught me I'll always be treated as trash by the white man so you owe me money, a college education and privelege of special job set asides. Or how about, you owe me just because I'm black. White is a racist in the same sense as the Obamas, Pfleger, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the KKK. And before you spout off and call me a racist, my family is of mixed blood, but we chose to rise above the idiot thinking of these people.

It can't be said enough how great it is to be White.

And partisan hacks will desperately try to dismiss it as drivel.
#85 | POSTED BY MODER8
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Right. Anyone who can see this writer for the true racist he is must be a partisan hack. Since all us "partisan hacks" are so easy to predict, how's about you give me a rundown of who I'm voting for this year. I'd love to know.

All I want to know is...

"Where all the white women at?"


It can't be said enough how great it is to be White.

#89 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-16 03:18 PM | Rep


Except for the fact of having to pick up other colors slack I'd agree.
More tea and crumpets Robert?

"...we chose to rise above the idiot thinking of these people."

Good choice, Oz. Now DO it! herm

Except for the fact of having to pick up other colors slack I'd agree.

If we didn't have Blacks and Hispanics we wouldn't know how great it is to be White though...

If we didn't have Blacks and Hispanics we wouldn't know how great it is to be White though...

#94 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-16 03:28 PM | Reply


Don't be foolish Robert, that's what Italians and Indians are for.
Now watch this drive...

#34 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch at 2008-09-16 01:24 PM

Everybody knows that if Barack Obama were a white man, he'd be leading by 30 points ...

Are you so uninformed as to believe this. If Obama were a white man, he would not have benefited from black bloc voting, and Mrs. Clinton would have been the nominee. There would have been no viable Obama candidacy.
... over John "Cancerman" McCain.

McCain was afflicted with several repetitions of skin cancer, which were successfully treated.

The man to be condemned for flirting with cancer is "chain smoker Obama," a fact never portrated by the obsequious sycophants who constitute the media. Obama doesn't have sufficient self-control to forego cigarette smoking. But then Obama has a history of addiction, including crack cocaine and the like. A narcissistic self-indulgent oral personality in action.
Here's the prologue.

America is a racist nation that always looks the other way for white people. Blacks in this country are consistently and systematically oppressed.

And this is the commentary.
Someday, hopefully in November, the situation will be turned around and whites will finally know what it's like to be on the outside.

What visceral hatred, and what a stereotypical inability to differentiate the tens of thousands who died in the War Between the States, many abolitionists who were willing to sacrifice their lives and limbs to secure freedom for the slaves. Is there any appreciation for their efforts, and the combined efforts of the majority of Americans, who fostered so-called "civil rights legislation," much of it misbegotten, to advance the situation of blacks. All whites are "enemies, and deserve negative treatment and harm. How fortunate this ill-wishing hater is that his position is not reciprocated.

Here is the racial hatred of the left. Whites must suffer. It's difficult to determine if the poster is a vindictive black or a mentally ill white, who suffers from some bizarre guilt complex

All whites are bad, and DESERVE TO SUFFER, and an Obama Presidency will drive that in for them. Of course, it is incumbent upon whites to inflict this adversity on themselves.

Here it is in the repeated words of the hateful maledictor himself.

Someday, hopefully in November, the situation will be turned around and whites will finally know what it's like to be on the outside.

Any "white" who proposes to cooperate in this effort to "teach whites a lesson," certainly deserves the expressed intended consequences of a black presidency. They'll teach you. It's not achievement. Instead, it's an opportunity for revenge in the good old Rev. Wright tradition.

Except for the fact of having to pick up other colors slack I'd agree.

If we didn't have Blacks and Hispanics we wouldn't know how great it is to be White though...

#94 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

yes it would be terrible if the whites did not have to pay taxes for all the "entitlements".

Don't be foolish Robert, that's what Italians and Indians are for

Dotted or Feathered?

Any "white" who proposes to cooperate in this effort to "teach whites a lesson," certainly deserves the expressed intended consequences of a black presidency. They'll teach you. It's not achievement. Instead, it's an opportunity for revenge in the good old Rev. Wright tradition.

#96 | Posted by Johnson

True words indeed

Mostly crap.
"White privilege" compared to what? Ghetto youth?
What about rednecks and hicks (AKA most of my relatives)? They all were/are blue-collar and no college education.


Who that fuck posted this thread?! You just made Johnson crawl from underneth his rock...

#40 | Posted by Chill

My bad.

"Right. Anyone who can see this writer for the true racist he is must be a partisan hack. Since all us "partisan hacks" are so easy to predict, how's about you give me a rundown of who I'm voting for this year. I'd love to know."

#90 | POSTED BY THE_NETHER

Aww, you beat me to it.

Seeing all the empty outrage and desperation of partisan hacks on this site, I think clearly the observations in my earlier post have been verified. I almost feel like saying, "I told you so."

"#96 | Posted by Johnson


True words indeed"


Conversation between two racists at a KKK meeting.

Not at all, the dirty parts of this election are still to come.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-16 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reporter to Biden: "Joe, do you believe Danni's statement is true....the dirty parts of this election are still to come."

Biden: "Hell no, like I said, Obama is a clean one, CLEAN ONE I SAID."

Danni: "I told Obama they should be consulting me for campaign expertise. Sheesh."

Wasn't one of Palin's staff members paid to babysit her kids. Isn't that 'government assistance'?
DarthCheney maybe in your small mind it is.

Seeing all the empty outrage and desperation of partisan hacks on this site, I think clearly the observations in my earlier post have been verified. I almost feel like saying, "I told you so."

#103 | POSTED BY MODER8
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You didn't answer my question. But you can say "I told you so"
if it makes you feel better. Ignorance is bliss after all.

Ignorance is bliss after all.

I always thought that was the mantra of the dems when it came to blacks.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do

Yes. Let's make fun of the organization that Obama worked for. No wait, let's retch in revulsion at the organization that Obama worked for: ACORN, the community organizers known for massive voter fraud during the 2004 and 2006 election cycles. Google on "ACORN fraud" and you'll find lots of media stories -- some as recent as this week -- discussing the crap pulled by the organization that Obama, by his own account, helped to shape and form.

en.wikipedia.org
www.prnewswire.com
www.digitaljournal.com
www.kmbc.com

Yet another case of the MSM focusing on Palin's vagina instead of the fact that Obama runs with criminals.


I think the accusation of white privilege needs to be weighed against the black resistance to assimilate mainstream American culture.

Unlike most ethnic groups who become part of the mainstream, the African American cultural identity is to be in perpetual resistance to the culture of the majority (Understandably so given the history of blacks in America; yet it is to their disadvantage). Most cultural groups in the US are able to maintain their own identity while adopting mainstream values and identity. For blacks to do so, however, often results in them being castigated by their own group for becoming too white, for giving in to whitey and in doing so for turning their back on the black community. (Even Obama has had to face such criticism.)

I will not argue against the reality of white privilege (please remember that), but I do think that part of the core black identity is the mentality of resistance and that this resistance in part hinders them from entering what is actually the benefits of American privilege.

Perhaps, President Obama, if it comes to pass, will go a long way in demonstrating to both blacks and whites the fullness of black identity embracing and being embraced by the American mainstream.

Well, one can hope.

PAX


Perhaps, President Obama, if it comes to pass, will go a long way in demonstrating to both blacks and whites the fullness of black identity embracing and being embraced by the American mainstream.

The only thing black about Barry until he started running for office was the pack of Newport Lights in his shirt pocket. He's an Oreo (tm). He grew up white, went to white schools (or foreign schools while living broad), and pretty much played the game of a white boy until he realized his dark skin could open more doors in this nation of guilt-complexed voters. Once he met his future wife Michelle -- the author if this abomination of a senior thesis at Princeton (
www.scribd.com ) -- he was coerced to the dark side, so to speak. So, since he has a foot in each camp, he may in fact end up becoming a bridge between the races. But only if he dumps his white-hating bitch of a wife.

Yet another case of the MSM focusing on Palin's vagina instead of the fact that Obama runs with criminals.



#109 | Posted by PublicTrough

Pub,
Check our his paid position at the Joyce Foundation. Not to mention the Chicago Tribunes help getting him elected.

if its this bad lets get even and have a draft
for just the white boys and the liberals can
stay home and abort their babies

sounds good to me. after all they did start this shit.

I LOVE BEING WHITE..... BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF BEING BLACK OR BROWN.

Cabo Vato-
re: I LOVE BEING WHITE..... BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF BEING BLACK OR BROWN.

Why?

Hell, anything beats the shit out of being cabo vacuuo.

I'm a white guy at the age of 27 with three simblings, Where is my "privlage"? Was I privleged when my family was on food stamps till i was 13 and my mom finished nursing school? Was I privileged when my father was Laid off from the Caterpillar plant in Peoria the year I was born? Was I privileged by NOT having a car till I could come up with the greenbacks to get it myself at the age 18 while the black kids in my High school where rollin on 22in Spinner Rims in Caddy's??? Please tell me when I will get this "White privilege" or where i can sign up for it.

"I'm a white guy at the age of 27 with three simblings(sic),"

*headdesk*

thats right attack the internet grammar.

I'm ok with not having spot on typing skills. I have a life that keeps me away from the keyboard like 20 hours a day. *bows in forgivness*

I've never been given a job for being white. My tuition at the state school was the same as the black kids. Where is the privilege? I've been called honkey, and whitey more than I have ever heard the word "nigger" used. Unless you count all that god awfull rap "music". I mean seriously I heard the word "nigger" in one three 6 mafia "song" more times than i figure you would hear at a Klan Rally!!

It will take a lot more than a black president to help black folks understand their potential. My small glimpse into their world is one of entitlement, self-pity and disrespect. Mostly self-disrespect, if that makes any sense -- literally or figuratively. And not necessarily in that order.

And until they take the raising of their children seriously, no token establishment will reverse this horrific trend.