This is even more important now that scientists have found the missing link.

the church is going the way of the republican party - irrelevant and almost empty except for a few spots of complete and utter despotism.

I've never understood the hysteria among some in the church - particularly in the West - regarding evolution. Augustine's writings suggest he believed in evolution (granted, within a theistic worldview) about 14 centuries before Darwin. Considering his stature in the western church, you'd think there would have been less of a reaction to Darwin and his ideas.

This is not so much about beliefs as it is about power.

The catholic church finally admitted in 1996 that galileo's observations in the 17th century were correct. This was 350 years after modern science proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now it's common knowledge and is taught as fact.

The church knew it was correct but they couldn't admit it because they had been teaching that the earth was the center of the universe for so long. Snd they were also teaching the infallibility of the church interpretations.

The same situation exists now on a number of church and society related issues.

The only way to stop it is to remove the churches from being in a position to determine policy.

"The catholic church finally admitted in 1996 that galileo's observations in the 17th century were correct."

That's a stretch.
The pope formally apologized to Galileo in 1996.
The Vatican observatory had quite a long history of serious astronomy before 1996.

Religion is bunk............

the church is going the way of the republican party--

YEAH!

But you just hate all religion just like danny, you just look for any opportunity, no matter how ill-informed and ignorant you are about it, to bash people who put faith into such things without even bothering to differentiate the good from the bad!

Now lets get back to whats important ---------- and thats exterminating Islam and every follower it has because they are all terrorists!

Praise Jesus

Eberly

Shhh! Don't tell Palin!

The "Church" may apologize but the damage is done. It will take decades to get our public education back on track. We spend more time dealing with the fundies attack on science and tip toeing around "Religion" than actual teaching.

Even today I see high school students using the "Church dogma" as an excuse to NOT learn about evolution and science in general. American Science classes have been set back decades which in turn will set American back. We are already falling behind in our competitiveness on the world stage. No wonder our economy is in shambles.

Way to go Fundies! I'd say your "wedge strategy" has been wildly successful in delaying the progress of Man.

Way to go Fundies! I'd say your "wedge strategy" has been wildly successful in delaying the progress of Man.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 12:48 PM | Reply

The members of the Episcopal Church hierarchy, for the most part, hardly qualify as "fundies."

I believe that the Church of England existed before and American Fundies did. So, where do you think the Fundies get their ideas?

Hmmm could it be the KJV of the Bible?

The history of the Church of England from the 18th century onwards has been enriched by the co-existence within it of three broad traditions, the Evangelical, the Catholic and the Liberal.

* The Evangelical tradition has emphasized the significance of the Protestant aspects of the Church of Englands identity, stressing the importance of the authority of Scripture, preaching, justification by faith and personal conversion.

Evangelicals have their roots in the Church of England which goes back to the Roman Empire.

"Evangelicals have their roots in the Church of England which goes back to the Roman Empire."

Goes back to the Roman Catholic Church until Henry VIII, right???
Off with their heads!
I don't think you can accurately judge the Church of England without including its rather disgusting beginnings.

stressing the importance of the authority of Scripture,

Which means the Bible cannot be wrong. Which means Science cannot be right.

Enter the Wedge Strategy.

While this "apology" is a small step in the right direction the Evangelicals need to disavow the Wedge Strategy in its entirety and promote Real Science Education in our schools.

Then I will believe they are actually serious about finding the Truth about Life and our place in the Universe and not about dividing us as a Nation as GW Bush and the Fundies have succeeded in doing.

The roots of the Church of England go back to the time of the Roman Empire when a Christian church came into existence in what was then the Roman province of Britain. The early Christian writers Tertullian and Origen mention the existence of a British church in the third century AD and in the fourth century British bishops attended a number of the great councils of the Church such as the Council of Arles in 314 and the Council of Rimini in 359. The first member of the British church whom we know by name is St Alban, who, tradition tells us, was martyred for his faith on the spot where St Albans Abbey now stands.

my reference link...

I believe that the Church of England existed before and American Fundies did. So, where do you think the Fundies get their ideas?

Hmmm could it be the KJV of the Bible?

Evangelicals have their roots in the Church of England which goes back to the Roman Empire.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 01:12 PM | Reply

And this is 2008.

Most Evangelicals use the New International Version of the bible now.

If you think that American Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists get their opinions from the Church of England you really need to read a(nother) book on history and theology.

I don't think you can accurately judge the Church of England without including its rather disgusting beginnings.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 01:17 PM | Reply

I agree, somewhat. Although 4 centuries or so is a lot of time.

Should we judge the contemporary Democrat party on the basis of its disgusting past?

"I don't think you can accurately judge the Church of England without including its rather disgusting beginnings."

Yes, because people in the present should not be judged by their actions but by the actions of others from hundreds of years ago.

Most Evangelicals use the New International Version of the bible now.

YEAH!

Is that the version where humility is derided as weak and replaced with shallow, lavish self interest and vanity?

If so, then I agree!

"Should we judge the contemporary Democrat party on the basis of its disgusting past?"

Good one.

Donnerboy, did those Christian Churches you speak of give fealty to the Roman Church?
I didn't think the Roman Church had successful breakaway sects until Luther.
I don't have a great deal of historical info about the church though.

I believe the modern Evangelical movement came from a certain brank of mobile home no longer still manufactured.

Redneck,

What are you talking about?

my god - jethro tull

People -- what have you done --
locked Him in His golden cage.
Made Him bend to your religion --
Him resurrected from the grave.

He is the god of nothing --
if that's all that you can see.
You are the god of everything --
He's inside you and me.

So lean upon Him gently
and don't call on Him to save you
from your social graces
and the sins you used to waive.

The bloody Church of England --
in chains of history --
requests your earthly presence at
the vicarage for tea.

And the graven image you-know-who --
with His plastic crucifix --
he's got him fixed --
confuses me as to who and where and why --
as to how he gets his kicks.

Confessing to the endless sin --
the endless whining sounds.
You'll be praying till next Thursday to
all the gods that you can count.

I believe the modern Evangelical movement came from a certain brank of mobile home no longer still manufactured.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 01:35 PM | Reply

Fleetwood?

Do they still make those?

the church is going the way of the republican party - irrelevant and almost empty except for a few spots of complete and utter despotism.
posted by GoblinsRReal

Most Evangelicals use the New International Version of the bible now.

You mean they have used the NIV since 1978 right?

The fact, is all American Christian Churches have their "roots" somewhere else (well, except the Mormons if you consider them "Christian").

The fundies and the Evangelicals are no exception. They come form the Church of England. When I was raised we only had the KJV. I think that most of the older Evangelicals till "cling" to the KJV as the inerrant Word Of God. I agree that the younger Christians do rely on the NIV. They also think that the NIV is the inerrant Word of God (or as inspired by the "Holy Ghost".

Both are "flawed" documents created by Men and are cause for concern.

Regardless, the Fundies and the Evangelicals all have their roots in the Church of England. And I seriously doubt that the Fundies or Evangelical will apologize for anything.

Yes, because people in the present should not be judged by their actions but by the actions of others from hundreds of years ago.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2008-09-15 01:29 PM

Perhaps because EVERYTHING is Illuminated by the past?

Regardless, the Fundies and the Evangelicals all have their roots in the Church of England. And I seriously doubt that the Fundies or Evangelical will apologize for anything.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 01:55 PM | Reply

They all have their roots in Palestine if you want to be completely asinine about it.

The fact that they bear little or no resemblance apparently doesn't matter.

"I've never understood the hysteria among some in the church - particularly in the West - regarding evolution."

#2 | Posted by anton

From an evangelical standpoint, I don't understand it either. It's not as if Jesus is ever recorded as having said, "Though shalt not believe in evolution."

Donnerboy, did those Christian Churches you speak of give fealty to the Roman Church?
I didn't think the Roman Church had successful breakaway sects until Luther.

the three traditions of the Church of England were

The Evangelical

The Catholic

The Liberal

Now there is a fourth tradition called the Charismatic which began in the 1960's.

Until the Reformation in the 16th century and the "Reformation", the Church of England acknowledged the authority of the Pope.

So to answer your question I guess up until the 16th or 17th Century the answer would be yes.

At the Reformation the Western Church became divided between those who continued to accept Papal authority and the various Protestant churches that repudiated it. The Church of England was among the churches that broke with Rome. The catalyst for this decision was the refusal of the Pope to annul the marriage of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon, but underlying this was a Tudor nationalist belief that authority over the English Church properly belonged to the English monarchy. In the reign of Henrys son Edward VI the Church of England underwent further reformation, driven by the conviction that the theology being developed by the theologians of the Protestant Reformation was more faithful to the teaching of the Bible and the Early Church than the teaching of those who continued to support the Pope.

In the reign of Mary Tudor. the Church of England once again submitted to Papal authority. However, this policy was reversed when Elizabeth I came to the throne in 1558.

I am not a theologian either but I can read and I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.

From an evangelical standpoint, I don't understand it either. It's not as if Jesus is ever recorded as having said, "Though shalt not believe in evolution."

#28 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-09-15 02:06 PM | Reply

I know. If it's such a big deal, why did God forget to inspire somebody to write it down.

They all have their roots in Palestine if you want to be completely asinine about it.

The fact that they bear little or no resemblance apparently doesn't matter.

#27 | Posted by anton at 2008-09-15 01:59 PM

Oh I guess you are right anton.

The Christians of today have nothing to do with the past. And if they don't like the way the "Word of God" reads then they just change it so that it makes sense and sounds better.

I mean they don't even realize that Jesus could not have possibly been white. Just look at all HIS paintings. So, I guess you have me there! Today's Christianity apparently has nothing to do with the "actual past".

The Democrats are still aligned with the KKK apparently, because they have the same roots in southern white supremacy.

Come to think of it, since southern white supremacists were and are largely evangelical protestants, that means the Democrats have their roots in the Church of England.

So, today, effectively, the Democrats have apologized for their prior persecution of Charles Darwin and his ideas.

It is a historic day, indeed.

Today's Christianity apparently has nothing to do with the "actual past".

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 02:21 PM | Reply

That is dumb.

It's just as dumb as equating the present Church of England with the present state of protestant fundamentalism in America.

Georgie is the "missing link".

"The Democrats are still aligned with the KKK apparently, because they have the same roots in southern white supremacy."

Well until 1948 when the Dixiecrats left the party and formed their own party which failed. Eventually most of those opposed to civil rights ended up in the Republican Party.

"When I was having tea and moose stew with Queen Elizabeth recently, I told her the Anglican Church was wrong on evolution and I had an elementary school friend who liked the Beatles that I would have appointed as Archy Bishop. I also pointed out England once had a Virgin Queen, but alaska currently has a Virgin Governor who immaculately popped out five kids and she could ask John Mcwhatshisname to verify this fact. He had been a POW and never ever lied."

Saint Sarah.

Will Sarah Palin ever admit such a rational thought? How would her church come to grips with this???

so much disinformation....

Define Evolution. Darwin's view of evolution jumped specie boundaries, therefore eliminating the need for God and creation. HOWEVER, even Darwin had to eventually admit that he had made a major mistake and no missing link has ever been found, regardless of so-called evidence. Most evolutionary content in today's school books has been proven to have been faked or manufactured.

But, Specie Adaptation is real and CREATED within the capabilities of even your DNA. That is the only demonstratable and scientifically justifiable view of evolution. To create something from nothing is not evolution, it's preposterous.

By the way, most real christians would never hold up the Church of England, the Roman Church, or any other ORGANIZED religion as their authority on the scriptures. To understand why they do what they do is to "Follow the Money!"

I've got an idea. All this demonstrated brilliance should look for yourself. Even the KJV was written at 9th grade level. You should be able to understand that....

" Most evolutionary content in today's school books has been proven to have been faked or manufactured."

Actually that sentence was faked and manufactured.

lying moron flag

Today evolution is the foundation of all biology, so basic and all-pervasive that scientists sometimes take its importance for granted. At some level every discovery in biology and medicine rests on it, in much the same way that all terrestrial vertebrates can trace their ancestry back to the first bold fishes to explore land. Each year, researchers worldwide discover enough extraordinary findings tied to evolutionary thinking to fill a book many times as thick as all of Darwin's works put together. This year's volume might start with a proposed rearrangement of the microbes at the base of the tree of life and end with the discovery of 190-million-year-old dinosaur embryos.

Unfortunately the Church of England is just another godless sect to the Sarah Palins of the world, who are not exactly noted for letting facts get in the way of their beliefs. herm

The reaction or response to Darwin at the time may have been overdone, but that does not change the basic idea of Evolution.

Macroevolution is a myth.

Here in america, evolution is still vigorously doubted but still getting away because it is not tagged as religion or god.

The bees are intelligently designed to bless mankind and contribute richly to the world's ecology.

Unfortunately the Church of England is just another godless sect to the Sarah Palins of the world, who are not exactly noted for letting facts get in the way of their beliefs. herm

#41 | Posted by herm at 2008-09-15 02:55 PM | Reply

Don't let that get out, Herm. In DR land the Church of England is "fundie."

Well until 1948 when the Dixiecrats left the party and formed their own party which failed. Eventually most of those opposed to civil rights ended up in the Republican Party.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 02:27 PM | Reply

My point was that organizations can radically change over time and that their offshoots are often the result of serious disagreements with the mother organization -- not that the Democrats and KKK are currently aligned.

So intelligently designed that they are dying like "flies" - colony collapse disorder.

The year is 2008 and it is amazing that people still do not realize that Man created God and not the other way around.

How in the hell did Palin come into THIS thread as well? Can't you Democrats get your minds off her vagina for 11 seconds? Good lord you're like the Republicans 10 years ago with Clinton's cock.

How in the hell did Palin come into THIS thread as well? Can't you Democrats get your minds off her vagina for 11 seconds? Good lord you're like the Republicans 10 years ago with Clinton's cock.

#46 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-15 04:09 PM | Reply

The most newsworthy comment in the thread.

"...Macroevolution is a myth....| Posted by takitez..."

Said DR's resident Moron. Ever hear of a Duckbilled Platipus???

Or:

Speaking as someone who was raised in the Church of England, in its current form it could not be more "divorced" (scuse the pun) from the religious fundies over here, I mean really it is like comparing our own Klifferd here with Osama Bin Laden, no comparison. In England the Church, certainly is a place of worship, but it is honestly more of a social club, it is very informal. When I was meeting with our local "Vicar" to arrange my marriage blessing in 2001 I was quite amused on entering his study to see some very modern art depicting nudes on his wall. Can you imagine going into a "fundie" pastor's study and seeing those over here? (sounds of heads exploding). Speaking of which (Church of England not heads exploding) Lancaster Priory is really the one of the most beautiful of churches, my Daddy's ashes are in the grounds with the rest of his King's Own buddies.

When the Church of Darwin Evolution discovers they were wrong, I wonder if they will apologize or just say, "We need to move forward, there is nothing useful to be gained by looking backward at all our mistakes."

We have another F in high school biology, folks.

snif

hee hee

Zat - sheesh you should know enough by now to know that GOD was smart enough to CREATE fossils when he created the living things 6,000 years ago cause he knew that people would be digging things up and would want to know what they were so they could then extrapolate that there were dinosaurs on the earth and that hoomin beings probably hunted and ate them and oh and by the way he ALSO created oil cause we all know that oil was not created by the rotting remains of dinosaurs and stuff it was created by GOD for us great Amuricans to drive our cars with which GOD knew we would invent and he also put wolves and moose and polar bears on the earth for us to hunt cause GOD loves us.

SWAK

Sarah

lil'brit

He put those ancient forest fossils in the coal, too.

This one's good ...

Now that's Sexist. And Obssesive.

Moron, meet your long lost brother, Moroni!

#48 | Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2008-09-15 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. I chew out the Democrats for being as obsessive about Palin's sexual organs as the Republicans were about Clinton's in the late 90's.. and you call me obsessive?

Gee, your comprehension isn't the greatest, is it Dumpling? By the way, you forgot to type BWAHAHAHA after saying something stupid.

This is even more important now that scientists have found the missing link.

#1 | Posted by goblinsrreal2 at 2008-09-15 09:39 AM | Reply

Sorry, Gobbler, but Piltdown Man was proven a fraud more than 50 years ago.

But nice try on the first post to imply that there is something conclusive. That's how you hijack a thread.

There is no missing link.

Of course you must remember that, with Vern, 5th grade math is a challenge, even with a calculator.

It will take decades to get our public education back on track.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 12:48 PM | Reply

Glad to hear you say so. Public education started going to hell in the 1960s when Liberals saw it as the only way to reengineer society to fit their Socialist agenda.

Sine then you can track the destruction of the family, and skyrocketing rates of teen pregnancy, abortion, drug use, suicide, etc.

It's high time it got back on track.

Vermin, lay off those 50-cent mai tais. You're old, ignorant and drunk. Your Chinese masters won't like that, not even a little bit.

Sorry Vern,

"Today evolution is the foundation of all biology, so basic and all-pervasive that scientists sometimes take its importance for granted. At some level every discovery in biology and medicine rests on it, in much the same way that all terrestrial vertebrates can trace their ancestry back to the first bold fishes to explore land."

Said DR's resident Moron. Ever hear of a Duckbilled Platipus???

#48 | Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2008-09-15 06:02 PM | Reply

Fat Ugly Broad just proved that she went to public school. Her scientific arguement is based on calling someone a 'moron.'

"scientific arguement(sic)"

LOL!

"Today evolution is the foundation of all biology, so basic and all-pervasive that ...

#64 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-09-15 08:44 PM | Reply

Sorry Zat, but with the lack of evidence for MACROevolution, scientists have redefined the word to mean simple adaptation. All species adapt to their environment, but that is the polar opposite of morphing into a new species.

Biology is conservative. Species adapt rather than evolve.

My favorite example is bacteria, which have been under genocidal assault for thousands of generations, but have become resistant to antibiotics as a result. They have adapted to a changing environment, but at their core they are still the same germ.

But it's easy for you to claim that evolution exists by simply redefining the term.

"Her scientific arguement is based on calling someone a 'moron.'"

In your case, "moron" is not an insult. It's an accurate descriptor.

LOL!

#66 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-09-15 08:46 PM | Reply

Ahhhhh ............ the spelling error defense!

Always a sign of surrender

"been under genocidal assault for thousands of generations, but have become resistant to antibiotics as a result. . . adapted to a changing environment, but . . . still the same germ.
#67 | Posted by vernon at 2008-09-15 08:52 PM |"

You appear to be possessed of more self-awareness than many of us heretofore believed possible.

That's evolution for you.

Even the KJV was written at 9th grade level. You should be able to understand that....

#38 | Posted by archtop at 2008-09-15 02:38 PM

Really?

Most Evangelicals use the New International Version of the bible now.

The reason they made the NIV? Because it was too difficult for average readers.

I guess the average Evangelical has less than a 9th grade education. That probably explains why they can't understand the Theory of Evolution and how it has nothing to do with whether there is a God or not.

Life is old, Billions of years old. Evangelical Christians can't conceive what that means as they see life as being young so there is no way that evolution could have occurred.

There had to be a "Creator".

Why do they think that the Earth is so young?

Why because of the "Inerrant Word of God", of course. They have to disprove science. Either that or the Bible has a few critical errors in it making it NOT the Inerrant word of a God but just another musing of Man.

" Either that or the Bible has a few critical errors in it making it NOT the Inerrant word of a God"

I thought the issue of heliocentricity settled that once and for all.

Here in america, evolution is still vigorously doubted but still getting away because it is not tagged as religion or god.

The bees are intelligently designed to bless mankind and contribute richly to the world's ecology.

#42 | Posted by takitez

you are truly a stupid fuck..

I raise bees and they are cool but not "intelligently designed" I raise russian and italian bees and both are totally different in appearance and behavior. In fact the russian bees control varroa mites much better than the italians and that is a learned behavior..

"Here in america(sic), evolution is still vigorously doubted" because large numbers of incomprehensibly stupid people can find food; For the moment.

I thought the issue of heliocentricity settled that once and for all.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-09-15 09:11 PM

that may be so but the age of the Earth is still apparently hotly debated in Church circles. They still think the Earth is ~6,000 years young.

What is their reference source?

The "Bible".

But it's easy for you to claim that evolution exists by simply redefining the term.

#67 | Posted by vernon at 2008-09-15 08:52 PM

easy for you to claim it doesn't by refusing to look at the evidence. It is the lazy way to learn about Life. Just say "God did it" and Voila, no homework!

How do explain the fact that ALL LIFE started out simple and evolved into more and more complex organisms. In the "beginning" billions of years ago life was very simple.

AS time passed Life became more and more complex.

Species did not all suddenly "appear" they slowly evolved over millions of years. How is that no complex life forms are EVER found out of sequence in the Earths Strata and as measured by radioactive decay?

No "bunnies" are ever found within the bacteria levels. Only more bacteria.

hmmmm? Oh yeah... God did it.

The reason they made the NIV? Because it was too difficult for average readers.

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2008-09-15 09:09 PM | Reply

That is an interesting comment. I don't know if it has any basis in fact, however. I have read the New International Version as well as many others. From what I recall, the translators' notes in the NIV don't suggest anything to do with them having adjusted the reading level downward. I am willing to stand corrected on that. I don't know that it would make much difference anyway. "The Wind in the Willows" is a pretty good book, right? It's not written even at the 9th grade level.

Some hardcore fundamentalists will only use the 1611 version of the King James Bible -- without allowing for any revisions or word updates. KJV-onlyists call all of the modern versions erroneous or even satanic. I don't think that is because they read at a much higher grade level than the typical NIV-reading evangelical.

Darwin was wrong --- further fossils discoveries proved his theory was only a guess with no scientific fossil evidence.

Bees are a rebuke to the theory of evolution. They were designed among other things to sustain life by helping in the production of food.

Potato was intelligently designed for human consumption.

******************************
**

I grew up reading the KJV and still love it, but now I use NIV when sharing biblical thoughts with others.

The Living Bible: King James Version!

I would like to get my hands on a 1.000 year old LATIN bible, and then sit and translate it. Now that would be Illuminating!

You're old, ignorant and drunk....

Drunk_Sarvis is so lonely he's watching his own Web cam for company.

I'm heading to Hong Kong to meet with potential investors, and then to Beijing to interview post-doc candidates for a lab in Chapel Hill. They're working on technology to extend the lives of people with advanced liver disease.

So D_S, if you don't drink yourself to death before then, you can thank me for extending your worthless life. Plus I'll make some money off you. So, for the sake of my obscene profits, try to pace yourself.

Evolution is Bullshit!

Continued

"Next, according to sacred evolutionary theory, this 1,000+ page book of genetic information became many thousands of pages long and eventually millions, all put randomly in perfect order, as this self-created organism became fish, sprouted legs and lungs, morphed into a land walking lizard, which then grew hair, became warm blooded, started nursing young, and switched from self replication, to egg laying, to live births...as it morphed into giraffes, monkeys, and eventually people. The theory of evolution suggests all this, and yet to say that the fossil evidence for all the half lizard, half mammals is somewhat lacking-- would be the great understatement of the century. How is this considered science??? Of course, to an evolution believer, the imagination which comes up with these random theories is a result of billions of years of randomness itself. Mind boggling!"

Bit of a chicken and egg problem there, wouldnt you say?

Posted by Flopearsistoast at 2008-09-16 12:25 AM | Reply

Not really, since it's been proven the egg came first.

Alex,

Don't ever discuss evolution with a knuckle-dragging missing link like floppy.

It is like putting lipstick on a pig and trying to teach her to dance. It wastes your time and annoys the Governor of Alaska.

In case anyone thought I was kidding:

Alexandrite, you'll fall for anything.

Disprove the article.

How in the hell did Palin come into THIS thread as well? Can't you Democrats get your minds off her vagina for 11 seconds? Good lord you're like the Republicans 10 years ago with Clinton's cock.

#46 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-15 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The republicans wanted to have sex with Clinton? I Knew it...

Flopears

re: "Now, when some people think of "single-celled," they are imagining single molecule."

Those people would be idiots, and the target audience for the crap you pasted.

"I'm heading to Hong Kong to meet with potential investors, and then to Beijing to interview post-doc candidates
#80 | Posted by vernon at 2008-09-15 11:20 PM"

Hoping they'll give you the education you lack?

How you get your fat ass up off the floor after kow-tow is beyond me.

You are confusing evolution with abiogenesis.

Evolution only deals with evolving of existing life but not the creation of it. Different branch.

By the way when you start to say the "Earth was created out of nothing" - that is definitely not true.

You may be able to make that comment about the universe but not about the Earth. We, including the Earth, are starstuff; made from material that coalesced after prior stars exploded.

You sound rather weak as far as your knowledge of science so stick to your mythology that you think you know.

The church of England, has stepped in it again. Evolution, despite the religious fervor with which it's preached daily in schools throughout the world, is in trouble.

DNA, the programming language of cellular development is one of the issues that evolution is a bit hard pressed to explain. Seeing ripples on a beach is easy to explain as natural causes, but seeing a sentence "Bill loves Sue" there is not, and that is the dilemma.

Adaptation within a species.. proven and easily observed fact.. but that's not the thrust of evolution.. it's one species changing into another, and that has never been observed, there is no fossil evidence to prove it, and it should be kept in mind that Darwin knew little or nothing nothing about cells. I'm of the opinion that blind adherence to the ancient writings of Darwin have stifled scientific discovery by branding those that question its obvious errors as heretics.

The church of England should stop trying to modernize and go back to dealing with truth. Come to think of it, the biology community should do the same.

"Evolution only deals with evolving of existing life but not the creation of it."

You're right of course, but only in a very narrow sense. As a philosophy, and its become more of a philosophical world view than a science, it does indeed deal with creation, and the lines in the sand have gotten much clearer in recent years.

Evolution, as preached by its most staunch advocates, like Dawkins, requires atheism, without even a nod at a possible "first cause." Not to say that everyone who believes in evolution is an atheist, but the people at the forefront of defending and defining it most assuredly are.