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The American financial system was shaken to its core on Sunday. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for bankruptcy protection, and Merrill Lynch & Co. agreed to be sold to Bank of America Corp. "It looks almost certain that this week will be the one where we see the financial implosion in U.S. banking and brokerage that many have been expecting for some time," financial analyst Paul Kedrosky says.

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With the demise, goes a storied history;

The company was founded January 6, 1914, when Charles E. Merrill & Co. opened at 7 Wall Street in NYC. Months later, Merrill's friend, Edmund C. Lynch, joined him, In 1915 the name was officially changed to Merrill, Lynch & Co. In 1916, Winthrop H. Smith joined the firm.

Merrill, Lynch & Co. made several successful investments. In 1921, it purchased a company that later became RKO Pictures. In 1926, it bought a controlling interest in Safeway, transforming the small grocery store into the country's third largest grocery chain. Following this, the company increased its investment banking focus, transferring its retail brokerage services to E.A. Pierce.

In 1940, the firm merged with E. A. Pierce & Co. and Cassatt & Co. and was briefly known as Merrill Lynch, E. A. Pierce, and Cassatt. In 1941, Fenner & Beane joined the firm, and the name became Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Beane. The merger made the company the largest securities firm in the world, with offices in over 98 cities and membership on 28 exchanges. It then became the first investment firm to publish an annual statement of financial condiyion.

After Edmund Lynch's death in 1952, the company changed its name to Merrill Lynch & Co. and was officially incorporated.

On November 1, 2007, CEO Stan O'Neal left after being criticized for the way he handled the subprime mortgage crisis, which resulted in about US $ 2.24 billion in unexpected losses, and for discussing in public the possible merger with Wachovia banking corporation without being authorized by the board to do so. He left Merrill Lynch with about US $161 million worth of stock options and retirement benefits. John Thain, CEO of the New York Stock Exchange, succeeded him as CEO on December 1, 2007.

On January 17, 2008, Merrill Lynch reported a $9.83 billion fourth quarter loss incorporating a $16.7 billion write down of assets associated with subprime mortgages. On April 17, 2008, Merrill Lynch reported a net loss of $1.97 billion for the first quarter of 2008. Merrill responded to its losses by raising capital through the sale of preferred shares, however experts suggest that such a strategy may pose a risk to the company's credit rating which could cause an increase to the company's borrowing costs.

And, as they say, the rest is history.

Au revoir mes amis!

Nice going with the economy there, Republican president and 6 years of Republican rule. What could we have done with that trillion dollars we pissed away on a made-up war?

don't the iranians secretly own bofa? like for the last 30 years or so...?

I just have to wonder what the Wall Streeters who loved Bush Cheney in 2000 and 2004 must be thinking?

"Hey, Mr Bush, hey, Mr. Cheney -- Thanks for those tax cuts. Now that I have saved enough to buy a lawn mower, may I mow your lawn?"

Lack of oversight and letting business be business has really worked out a-ok! 7 years of Bush Cheney have been a doozy!

They never intended to save lehman.
BoA just paid a premium for a portfolio that is full of garbage. By my estimates, merrill has another 50b in losses waiting in the wings.
On top of countrywide. Also full of garbage.

Wall St. does not care, they take their money up front, and they'll make change on this too.

If it isnt in your pocket, it isnt safe.

1000pts at the open, curbs in by 10am.

Gitmboy,

I do find it interesting the Bear was worthy of a bailout but Lehman wasn't. Guess they did not know the "right" people.

I think back to all the "experts" here that said at 12500 it was a "buying" opportunity.

Gosh, just can't wait to privatize Social Security.
Hey America, George Bush flushed your 401K down the toilet and John McSame wants to finish the job.
Go Republicans....bankrupting America one million Americans at a time.

That next "buying" opportunity will come at 9500.

BoA is sitting on huge losses in non-mortgage consumer credit. They also hold a huge nut in alt-a and derivitives tied to residential and commercial real estate.

Yes, and after the various guarantees, the treasury does not have any money to save the citizens.

And still, the central "bank", the fed, assumes none of the liabilities, many they created to get their 6% up front.

Congress needs to move on the federal reserve, seize the entirety of their assets. Bernanke and Paulson must be removed immediately. They've been taking care of their buddies, but failing to protect main st. and your street, and that is their only obligation.


Lehman CEO Fuld's hubris contributed to meltdown

www.reuters.com

Obama blames Wall St. crisis on Republican policy

www.breitbart.com


US in 'once-in-a-century' financial crisis : Greenspan

www.breitbart.com

I'd suggest we start rehearsing. Ready, gang?


We're in the money,
We're in the money;
We've got a lot of what it takes to get along!
We're in the money,
The sky is sunny;
Old Man Depression, you are through,
You done us wrong!

We never see a headline
'Bout breadline, today,
And when we see the landlord,
We can look that guy right in the eye .


Listening to Greenspan tell us what caused the credit crisis is like asking Hitler what caused WWII.

"McCain has said he would pay for his cuts by ending pet funding projects for US lawmakers' districts known as "earmarks."

Thus he earns the title...McLiar!



Since when did breitbart start putting articles up that weren't 100% republican biased?

this is a new and disturbing trend. is it the jewish thing?

So, Rethugs, how's that Raygunomics holding up?


They are already calling it, "Black Monday".


(which has nothing to do with Obama, rwingers)

No doubt about it, repulsicans - deregulation worked REAL good. I'm watching my retirement go down the drain but that's just fine - I always dreamed of working until I died. Anyone who thinks our economy is strong needs to adjust his or her meds.

I am setting the over/under at a 400 pt. drop.

Dear numbersix:
Going swimmingly. We'll be watching from the Bahamas while pursing our lips in concern.

--Wall Street CEOs--

While I'm all for letting these big firms go under as part of a much-needed market correction, does anyone else wonder about how the government chooses which banks to help and which to ignore? They gave non-recourse loans to Bear Stearns but turned the cold shoulder to Lehman. Why?

The more you delay the day of reckoning, the worse it will be when it eventually gets here. What they did (or not did) today, letting an investment bank fail is what they should have six monts ago with Bear sterns.

Bailout after bailout doesn't solve the problem of a crisis of confidence. Even thoough the government was bailing out thsese losers, no one believes the crisis is over. In other words, we, taxpayers, are bailing out rich people to no end becasue the market is unwinding through a crisis of confidence.

Just let these losers fail. Sure, it might be more painful in short run, but at least it might eventually help unwind things, let people dump all the junk off their books and such.

"I just have to wonder what the Wall Streeters who loved Bush Cheney in 2000 and 2004 must be thinking?"

Clinton 225% increase, Bush 8% increase....

Until all this happened. Didn't I read where McShame wanted to de-regulate business further...

If the current meltdown continues like an uncooled nuclear reactor, then what to do? Should we put our money under the matress, buy gold bars, hoard water, food and gasoline?

I have all the answers but I won't tell you.

Financial Wizrd Thom


I've been robbed!

www.drudge.com

But since it was TC, (Top Cat), I don't mind.

Clinton had NOTHING to do with the increase. It was all technology.

Let these institutions fail, I don't care. Most of you trolls will be losing your jobs, if you actualy have one. At least you are living rent free in moms basement.

Shrub & Cheney's chickens coming home to roost, on the backs of the American People.

But, no problem for them, Cheney, Goldman-Sachs and other insiders, dumped their dollars long ago and made a killing. Shrub for his part, has 10,000 acres in Paraguay, a extradiction proof country.

I guess it turns out when the Republicans promised to run the country like a business, they were talking about Lehman Brothers.

"Gosh, just can't wait to privatize Social Security."

Yes, because everyone knows that SS amd Medicare are in such sound footing!!!

If you are counting on SS and Medicare for old age you got another thing coming.

"Clinton had NOTHING to do with the increase."

Someone buy that man a history book.

And---for better or worse---Presidents get the nod. They were called Hoovervilles, not Congressvilles.

"If you are counting on SS and Medicare for old age you got another thing coming."

It's looking like if you think your investments will finance your retirement you may be in for a big surprise.

""Clinton had NOTHING to do with the increase."

Riiiight, and Dumbya had nothing to do with the economic disaster of today.

Deregulation would be good, if it meant NO BAILOUTS! The threat of failure without rescue is the best regulation possible.

Are you drinking your bong water again?

LET IT FALL..............


""Clinton had NOTHING to do with the increase."


Riiiight, and Dumbya had nothing to do with the economic disaster of today.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, your "logic" is simply being used here. Carter was not responsible for his unemployment rate, his interest rates and his inflation rates during his administration. RIGHT DANNI? (Oh, just one second there...but, but, but Carter was different, that was the fault of Nixon and Ford--per Danni).

The official Republican response to this financial meltdown..

"The Democrats won't let us drill for Oil"


DRILL BABY DRILL !!!!


It just couldn't be due in part to a clueless fucking jackass President and his administration that have fucked us all to death to enrich his fucking Oil cronnies,Defense contractor, and banking buddies could it?

Hee hee... I remember Bill O'Rielly bitching Obama out during the interview... talking about how sound the economy was... Fucking tool

I can hear President Jack fucking ass now.

"You wouldn't make my Tax cuts permanent"

The reason why this is happening is because Fredie and Fannie and the fact that the government has a policy where they want as many people to own homes as possible and they subsidize the industry.

What we need to do is privatize the hell out of Fannie and Fredie and quit telling people they should or not buy homes. Let people decide what they want. There is nothing wrong with renting, especially now when people change jobs and careers so much.

YEAH!
This Isnt Our Fault!

Sincerely

The Party of Personal Responsibly--

The Party of Personal Responsibly-- who loves bail outs!

Hey Dems,

Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit). Now the same Dems blame Repubs as Democratic social architecture, (catering to the lazy welfare recipient who can pay for a satellite dish, but not pay his home mortgage) hides behind their "blame Repubs and run" tactic goes full swing.

Priceless!

Free markets as interpreted by Bush, Cheney, McSame -- let the inmates run the assylum, let the fox watch the hen house, let the greedy govern the ungreedy.

Carter was not responsible for his unemployment rate, his interest rates and his inflation rates during his administration.--

YEAH!

That Depends!

It depends on whether you are applying your "50 Years to Judgment" Rule or not!

While I'm all for letting these big firms go under as part of a much-needed market correction, does anyone else wonder about how the government chooses which banks to help and which to ignore? They gave non-recourse loans to Bear Stearns but turned the cold shoulder to Lehman. Why?

Joe, I am was wondering the same thing. I think Bear was the first to the trough so they got the goods, and had Lehman come around the same time they probably would have as well. I think the Bush administration took a lot of heat for the handout they gave to Bear.

On another note, I think Bank of America is betting on future bailouts, that is why they keep on buying failing financial istitutions like Merrill and Countrywide.

Finally, I don't think many average citizens realize what this does to our economy. Not only is this reflective of the financial crisis currently taking hold here, but you are looking at hundred of thousands of jobs lost.

What we need to do is privatize the hell out of Fannie and Fredie and quit telling people they should or not buy homes. Let people decide what they want. There is nothing wrong with renting, especially now when people change jobs and careers so much.

#40 | Posted by member2586 at 2008-09-15 10:50 AM |

What we need to do is stop allowing people who make $50,000 a year to buy $500,000 houses who have no fucking business buying them so banks and mortgage companies can make commissions and outrages profits and then pass these bullshit mortgages off to Freddie & Fannie to be ultimately shoved up ligitimate Taxpayers and home owners asses when they fail.

Why all the " whining"? TNC the title should read Wall Street "Mental Implosion"

Taxman, while I agree that "first to the trough" may be part of it, I also wonder whether some people at Bear Stearns were "friendlier" with the federal government than people at Lehman.

Wall Street implodes, average Americans lose their shirts and the CEOs get golden parachutes.

8 years of Republican economics - a debt financed war, outsourcing, trade deficits and Wal-Mart - have led to this.
McCain will do nothing to fix any of this, and anyone who votes for him is an idiot.

This is far from over. The derivative mkt is a multi-trillion dollar castle in the sky that could collapse. Morgan Stanley could be next to go. With over a 1 trillion in debt and 7 trillion in devivative exposure they're more exposed than the likes of Lehman and Bear. There's nothing stable about these markets and don't believe the hype from Paulson and Bernanke. And someone should put a straight-jacket on Greenspan and throw away the key.

"Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit)."


YEAH!

Oops

www.whitehouse.gov
www-domino4.hud.gov
www.boston.com

But we know the drill already!

Bush was Solely Responsible and "Presided over the largest Homeownership Increase in American History" Before he didnt have anything to do with its collapse

Wall Street is just a bunch of whiners.

Signed
Phil Graham

Hey Dems,

Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit). Now the same Dems blame Repubs as Democratic social architecture, (catering to the lazy welfare recipient who can pay for a satellite dish, but not pay his home mortgage) hides behind their "blame Repubs and run" tactic goes full swing.

Priceless!

#43 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-09-15 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:


WELL SAID. RIGHT ON THE BUTTON......

LET IT FALL............

"What we need to do is stop allowing people who make $50,000 a year to buy $500,000 houses"

Bull shit, WE don't need to tell anyone who to loan money or what to buy. We need to inform lending institutions though that if you make bad loans then you lose your money not ours.
With Freddie and Fannie we need to put back regulations that require adequate credit, down payment, proverty valuations, etc. and tell the former execs fuck you, you leave penniless.

"Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit)."

Some folks just have to post talking points that are lies, they can't help themselves.

An "Implosion"!!! "Shaken to the Core!" "Down 1000 at the open!! Curbs in by 10:00!!" "Multi trillion dollar caslte in the sky!!!" Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

Dow down 218. Fed will ease 25bp--maybe 50--tomorrow afternoon. The sun'll come up tomorrow, just like it always has. And people who invest during bad times make their money back dozens of times.

"Presidents get the nod. They were called Hoovervilles, not Congressvilles."

#30 | Posted by Danforth

Historically, yes, but it takes ignorance to ignore the role of congress during those times. Sorry if that conflicts with a talking point.

Danni,
I said a year ago that the US was going to go the way of the USSR, and you said I was nuts. Do you still think I'm nuts.
The US, and the world is on the verge of a depression worse than the 30's.


Hey Dems,


Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit). Now the same Dems blame Repubs as Democratic social architecture, (catering to the lazy welfare recipient who can pay for a satellite dish, but not pay his home mortgage) hides behind their "blame Repubs and run" tactic goes full swing.


Priceless!


#43 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-09-15 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

What? Are you Rethuglicans really THAT fucking stupid? This is a linear result of nearly 8 years of "supply side" economics courtesy of Bush and his Rethug congress of 6 years. You've all developed the John McBush strategy: Keep lying, never stop lying and just keep repeating them until enough idiots believe you.

The sun'll come up tomorrow

Tell that the those who have lost their jobs. "Don't worry, you may have lost your job, but I am going to make money off it in the future, so it's ok."

Fed will ease 25bp--maybe 50--tomorrow afternoon.

Oh goody, a gift to appease the almighty gods of dow jones. Well so much for any recovery of the dollar. We just love inflation!

Some folks just have to post talking points that are lies, they can't help themselves.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 11:07 AM


Sounds like the libs to me there danni.

I don't think dropping interest rates will do much to change things. But you're right, they sure must love inflation.

LET IT FALL.. FALL HARD.....

Right is Right- Have you been watching the news of late?!?!? In the span of a week, we lost FNM and FRE, Leh and ML, and lost BSC 6 months ago. These were institutions of American commerce. And they're gone! pffftt!! This is unprescendented!!! Dontcha think? Or do you just listen to the talking heads of govt and take what they say for face value? Yeah, lets lower the interest, again, and create cheap money. We're running out of bullets. And inflation is still going to be a intermediate to long term problem. Then the bond mkt collapsed, along with the credit mkts and there's no business to be done. I'm as positive as the next person, but realistic with what's going on at the moment. Opporuntities will present itself, but how come BSC, LEH and were able to weather the depression, but not this financial crises?

"Sounds like the libs to me there danni."

Laughable. We can see the huge mess in front of us, we know who brought it about, it just makes you look foolish to pretend otherwise. See that's the problem with power, when things go wrong those in power get the blame, deservedly so.

We should all have know what was coming when the government's answer was stimulus checks paid with borrowed money. As I have said all along, much of this was planned but it was supposed to hit after the election.

Oh goody, a gift to appease the almighty gods of dow jones.

So you are hoping for another 1929 repeat? Let the financial institutions go under and start all over again? Maybe Obama can use this as another campaign ad against McCain.

And those that make money in these downturns in the mkt use LEVERAGE, not new money. Leverage is what got the brokers in trouble. And now they're gone.

"Thanks for strong-arming our financial institutions, insisting (via threats) that they make loans to those who can't pay back home loans (contrary to your affirmative-action social bull shit)."

And those who've outsourced millions of jobs overseas and contributed to the $200 Billion dollar trade deficit sit and scratch their heads in wonder at why Americans can't pay off their loans.

Does anyone on Wall Street even wonder why people stopped making their mortgage payments? I love how the investment class whines and whines at the horror of the middle class making a decent wage, yet they whine and whine when the middle class can't aford to pay their bills.

This is the economy you built. You destroyed the middle class, and now they can't pay you any more. What the hell did you expect?

"Maybe Obama can use this as another campaign ad against McCain."

You mean "I voted with the president 90% of the time" McCain????
YOu mean "I was against the tax cut for the rich before I wanted to make it permanent" McCain???

who knows why subprime lending was put into practice in 1980? had 9/11 not happened, would we be in this jam today?

2 chron 7:14

what ails u.s. is in direct proportion to what we've become. yeah, you may call me what you'd like, but you cannot change the facts.

refresher course on glass-steagall act of 1936.

what did clinton have to do with it?

get ready.

Wall Street 'Implosion', oh my god, get the AK47s, dig a cellar, hoard food and water, look out chicken little.

The market is down about 180 points, that is 1.5% you morons. It goes down farther than that if Cheney has a bad case of heartburn.

I don't understand why you people are arguing Dems and Repubs?
This is about purposely blowing out the US economy to help create a global banking system.
This isn't right and left. WAKE UP!
Both parties are bought and paid for. They do not work for you. They work for the corporate bankers. The same ones that are blowing out the US economy.

"Does anyone on Wall Street even wonder why people stopped making their mortgage payments? I love how the investment class whines and whines at the horror of the middle class making a decent wage, yet they whine and whine when the middle class can't aford to pay their bills."

Exactly.

CAN BARKY "THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" HAVE ANY IDEAS TO "CHANGE" THE ECONOMY?????

So when does President Jack Fucking Ass weigh in on this situation?

Will he encourage us all to go shopping like he did after the 9-11 attacks?

"had 9/11 not happened, would we be in this jam today?"

And there it is....blame it on 9-11!!!! I knew it would be here and not surprised it was Nanc that did it. Rudy would be proud of you Nanc.

And people who invest during bad times make their money back dozens of times.

And then, all the while calling themselves patriots, they send their money overseas.

"CAN BARKY "THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" HAVE ANY IDEAS TO "CHANGE" THE ECONOMY?????"

Like letting the tax cuts for the rich expire and beginning to pay down the debt???
Like re-regulating the banking industry???
Like getting out of Iraq and ending the drain of 10 billion per month???
Like removing subsidies and tax breaks for oil companies or any other company that outsources jobs???
Like protecting the border and actually doing something about 30 million illegals driving wages down???

no danni - he's using THIS one!

he knows idiots no longer know history as it was written, but as he wishes it were written.

Bush's ownership society coming home to roost.

Expanding Homeownership. The President believes that homeownership is the cornerstone of America's vibrant communities and benefits individual families by building stability and long-term financial security. In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Under his leadership, the overall U.S. homeownership rate in the second quarter of 2004 was at an all time high of 69.2 percent. Minority homeownership set a new record of 51 percent in the second quarter, up 0.2 percentage point from the first quarter and up 2.1 percentage points from a year ago. President Bush's initiative to dismantle the barriers to homeownership includes:
American Dream Downpayment Initiative, which provides down payment assistance to approximately 40,000 low-income families;
Affordable Housing. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which would increase the supply of affordable homes;
Helping Families Help Themselves. The President has proposed increasing support for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunities Program; and
Simplifying Homebuying and Increasing Education. The President and HUD want to empower homebuyers by simplifying the home buying process so consumers can better understand and benefit from cost savings. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so that families can understand what they need to do to become homeowners.

www.whitehouse.gov

danni - you know as well as anybody here, had 9/11 not occurred as it did - this mess would have just been put off a little longer.

WAKE UP!

our burdens have now outweighed u.s.

and there's nanc blaming our problems on not loving her god enough and knowing that all our problems will go away if we just humble ourselves to god.

Mutt- uhh, down 80 points since your last post. Get back to us and pat yourself on the back if we break the July 15 lows. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THIS ROLLER COSTER WILL END.

Uh huh.


danni - you know as well as anybody here, had 9/11 not occurred as it did - this mess would have just been put off a little longer.


WAKE UP!



funny how our burdens were really a problem prior to 2000 when a dem was in the white house we actually had surpluses.

now we have the opposite

but keep voting for more of the mcsame,

just lock these phrases in your repetoire:

"You want fries with that?"

"Welcome to walmart"

"I did look for a job this week but no luck, can I have my check?"

WERENT really a problem prior to

truthhurts - i don't have any of these "problems" and yes, my GOD does take care of us and we give ALL thanks to HIM. my burden is for those who do not know HIM. read the book - if you're a thinking person, you will understand what i'm saying to you - you're lost.

"he knows idiots no longer know history as it was written, but as he wishes it were written."

Sorry Nanc, Barack is exactly right. There are quite a few Republicans (many who are retiring this year) who admit it because they aren't forced to dring the Kool Aide any more. Lincoln Chaffee, former Republican Senator from RI wrote a good article telling us all about how many other Republicans knew at the time they passed the tax cuts for the rich during a war that it was very irresponsible and that they knew it would not bode well for our economy.
Nanc, the think is, it's simple common sense.

th - read my links and then think back to 1929.

"I did look for a job this week but no luck, can I have my check?"


Isn't this what most of you in here do already?


"What we need to do is stop allowing people who make $50,000 a year to buy $500,000 houses"


Bull shit, WE don't need to tell anyone who to loan money or what to buy. We need to inform lending institutions though that if you make bad loans then you lose your money not ours.
With Freddie and Fannie we need to put back regulations that require adequate credit, down payment, proverty valuations, etc. and tell the former execs fuck you, you leave penniless.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

100% Agree....yep, I said that.

"danni - you know as well as anybody here, had 9/11 not occurred as it did - this mess would have just been put off a little longer."

Blaming 9-11 for our problems today would partially require the suspension of reality and the co-joining of 9-11 with the Iraq invasion as Sarah Palin has done, BTW, lately.


truthhurts - i don't have any of these "problems" and yes, my GOD does take care of us and we give ALL thanks to HIM. my burden is for those who do not know HIM. read the book - if you're a thinking person, you will understand what i'm saying to you - you're lost.

#91 | Posted by nanc


he takes care of us but who is to blame for all the pain in the misery in the world, certainly not HIM!

doesnt it say somewhere in there judge not lest ye be judged.

u better watch out!

oh and take your cannibalistic celebration of suicide elsewhere, we aint buying your snake oil


th - read my links and then think back to 1929.

#93 | Posted by nanc at


why nanc? you have no problems, god takes care of so

What? You worry?

One problem is that dems will soil their own nest and blame other birds for it. for example:

"The OTS has determined that the current institution, IndyMac Bank, is unlikely to be able to meet continued depositors demands in the normal course of business and is therefore in an unsafe and unsound condition. The immediate cause of the closing was a deposit run that began and continued after the public release of a June 26 letter to the OTS and the FDIC from Senator Charles Schumer of New York. The letter expressed concerns about IndyMacs viability. In the following 11 business days, depositors withdrew more than $1.3 billion from their accounts.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

this failure is often pointed to as the start of the house of cards colapsing. Yet the dems want, desperatly, to link this to Bush. Big surprise.

This is a small bump in the road compared to our environment. -Carbon Credit Al

No doubt about it, repulsicans - deregulation worked REAL good. -Dawnglo

Right, and we know who we have most to thank for all the deregulation- none other than Senator Phil Gramm, adviser to McCain, who told us we were whiners.

Maybe we should do a bit more whining about McCain's 90something % of support for Bush since 2000.


Four More Years!

Signed

The Unthinking 50%

They gave non-recourse loans to Bear Stearns but turned the cold shoulder to Lehman. Why?

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-15 10:28 AM | Reply

I think the best answer is that we are less than 2 months from a presidential election. If Bush and the congressional Republicans pushed a bailout for Lehman (and others) it would give Obama the opportunity of a lifetime to tie McCain and the Republicans to Wall Street fat cats who don't give a shit about the average guy.

FALL BABY FALL..........................
..

"Historically, yes, but it takes ignorance to ignore the role of congress during those times. Sorry if that conflicts with a talking point."

So...do you call it The Reagan Revolution, or The Tip O'Neill Compromise?

Bank meltdown wallops campaigns

Americas banking instability could upend the final 50 days of the presidential campaign, with both candidates forced to confront a calamity that has gotten only glancing attention during the first 20 months of the race for the White House.

Red flags about the nations economic infrastructure have been popping up at least since the collapse in March of the investment bank Bear Stearns. But neither Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) nor Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has talked in detail about the potential consequences for voters and the government.

Until now, the crisis seemed like a confusing Wall Street story. That all ended with the fast-moving events of Sunday, which The New York Times called one of the most extraordinary days in Wall Streets history.-- A CNBC special report on Sunday night called it a complete realignment of Wall Street.--

And that was before the extraordinary 9:30 p.m. announcement by the Federal Reserve of new efforts to shore up markets.

So its no longer an insider's game. The crisis is now at a tipping point where Wall Street will visibly affect Main Street: Home buyers, consumers and entrepreneurs will have even more trouble getting credit, slowing the nations job machinery.

Here are four huge effects for the campaigns:

www.politico.com

What we need to do is stop allowing people who make $50,000 a year to buy $500,000 houses who have no fucking business buying them so banks and mortgage companies can make commissions and outrages profits and then pass these bullshit mortgages off to Freddie & Fannie to be ultimately shoved up ligitimate Taxpayers and home owners asses when they fail.

#47 | Posted by USATrueandBlue7 at 2008-09-15 10:57 AM | Reply

That is so true. My wife and I have a pretty good household income. When we bought our first house in late 2004 we qualified for a loan so large that I couldn't even believe it. I could have bought a friggin' mansion. Fortunately, we are a little more modest than that and we chose a house we can actually afford. I know a few others who went for the gold at the time. Some of them are getting divorced among other things.

www.opensecrets.org

All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Top of the List:

Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from
PACs Total from
Individuals
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
Kerry, John S MA D $111,000 $2,000 $109,000
Bennett, Robert F S UT R $107,999 $71,499 $36,500
Bachus, Spencer H AL R $103,300 $70,500 $32,800
Blunt, Roy H MO R $96,950 $78,500 $18,450
Kanjorski, Paul E H PA D $96,000 $57,500 $38,500
Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S MO R $95,400 $64,000 $31,400
Shelby, Richard C S AL R $80,000 $23,000 $57


Mutt- uhh, down 80 points since your last post. Get back to us and pat yourself on the back if we break the July 15 lows. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THIS ROLLER COSTER WILL END.

#87 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2008-09-15 11:37 AM


okay now we are down 2.3% woo-hoo. we were down 2.8%. Tell me when we get to 5% because then is the time to buy. I love a good bargain.

Bush's ownership society coming home to roost.

I know it all Bush's fault, but was there anyone on either side that would oppose boosting ownership society? As usual the MMQ's are flapping their gums now, but where were they 5 years ago when the ownership boomed? Either Bush reached to far or these defaulted borrowers never should have owned a home.

www.whitehouse.gov

Question for the knowledgable

what does all this shit mean?

Ok I get it some banks and investment houses are going belly up. and these are big names places.

ok the stock market will take hits. people invested in these places, they are dropping, that will hit our investments.

the stock market will fall.

So what does this mean for the future?

from a small guy standpoint how does this fit into the larger economic outlook?

****** does anyone else wonder about how the government chooses which banks to help and which to ignore? ...... | Posted by JOE ******

.......sure .......

.....if Neil Bush is on the Board of Directors then the bank is bailed out......if he's not...then someone else with close ties to the White House will have to be on their Board ( say like Jeff Gannon, for example ).........

All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008


I would have thought Schumer would be on that list. Maybe he didn't write a article calling for their collapse.

Mutt- are you telling me you could pick a BOTTOM!?!?! No fucking way. Makes you smarter than the geniuses at LEH, BSC and ML....put together!!! Good luck on your day trading.

And who's chief economic policy architect orchestrated the deregulation that allowed banks to get into risky ventures?

That would be John McCain's buddy Phil "America's a nation of whiners" Gramm.

re: Theonebs post #43

That would be great news, if any of it were true. Unfortunately for you, not so much.

However, we have some "lovely parting gifts."

That would be John McCain's buddy Phil "America's a nation of whiners" Gramm.

#116 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-15 12:04 PM | Reply

Wall Street is an avenue of whiners, apparently. They'll look to the rest of us non-whiners to rescue their sorry asses in one way or another. So, I guess Gramm was partially correct.

"this failure is often pointed to as the start of the house of cards colapsing. Yet the dems want, desperatly, to link this to Bush. Big surprise."

We don't need to want to tie it to Bush, it is a fact, it is tied to Bush and the REpublicans. The fact that Schumer wrote a letter didn't create the problem and it is laughable that you try to blame the entire credit crisis melt down on one letter from Schumer. I mean that is the biggest stretch in history.

Do the people running Lehman Bros. have more "executive experience" than Obama?

McCAin is running on his "experience." Well, in light of recent events I think he owes America a clue about what his "experience" is telling him we need to do to fix our economy.
He's and empty wrinckly skin suit.

Hope so Ant, they couldn't have less....


Mutt- are you telling me you could pick a BOTTOM!?!?! No fucking way. Makes you smarter than the geniuses at LEH, BSC and ML....put together!!! Good luck on your day trading.

#115 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2008-09-15 12:03 PM


Your a funny guy. I don't day trade you have better odds at Vagas.

The lowest the market has gone in the last 52 weeks is 9.4% lower than the start this morning. If we hit 5% down from this morning I will move money to mutual funds. This isn't rocket science Einstein.

He's and empty wrinckly skin suit.

#121 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-15 12:14 PM


Danni, don't talk about Biden that way. You will hurt his feelings and he will go a plagiarizing binge again.

Do the people running Lehman Bros. have more "executive experience" than Obama?

They've shown that they're every bit as adept at running a business into bankruptcy as Dubya was in the private sector.

Hope so Ant, they couldn't have less....

#122 | Posted by the_nether at 2008-09-15 12:15 PM | Reply

They did a bang up job with it, too.

Do the people running Lehman Bros. have more "executive experience" than Obama?

They've shown that they're every bit as adept at running a business into bankruptcy as Dubya was in the private sector.

#125 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2008-09-15 12:17 PM | Reply

The Bankrupticans.

Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
Plannin' and dreamin'


Sincerely,
The Left

Makes you smarter than the geniuses at LEH, BSC and ML....put together.

#115 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2008-09-15 12:03 PM
**

ANT made a good point earlier. If these guys (the failed banks) are such fricken geniuses and they failed, what kind of chance does an inexperienced little man-child from south Chicago have?

QUICK... EVERYBODY PANIC. FREEKING LEMMINGS

th - it's setting u.s. up for a fall as it was intended. it's setting u.s. up to accept ANY and ALL help offered when the time comes. it's setting u.s. up for socialism. it's beginning to smell like a set up to me...the stench from it will be so sweet when the time comes. imagine yourself standing in a soup line next to someone like me.

retired - i refuse to panic. i saw it coming.

"You will hurt his feelings and he will go a plagiarizing binge again."

When you make a comment based on such a weak talking point they your comment reflects badly on you not Biden. Do you even have a clue about the plagiarism talking point or do you just repeat it???

" it's beginning to smell like a set up to me..."

Who is setting up the US for socialism Nance????
That is the dumbest thing your have ever posted and that is saying something.

17 Days - Still no Palin press conference

"That is so true. My wife and I have a pretty good household income. When we bought our first house in late 2004 we qualified for a loan so large that I couldn't even believe it. I could have bought a friggin' mansion. Fortunately, we are a little more modest than that and we chose a house we can actually afford. I know a few others who went for the gold at the time. Some of them are getting divorced among other things."

#107 | Posted by anton at 2008-09-15 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

good thinking - who do you blame for your GOOD sense? we now know three families - two who have lost their homes and one about to. keeping up with the joneses was a little more than they could bear.

one is a close relative - who laughed awhile back that one of her little darlings put $900. in ringtones on her cell phone and was now on restriction from it until she learns her lesson. that'll teach her!

Danni-

Saying Biden is a plagiarist is not a talking point. It is a fact. Just because he had previously cited, in other speeches, the person he stole the speech from when he stole it does not mean that he didn't steal it. He took a person's life story and inserted his own name. That is plagiarism at best. Insanity at worst.