Amazing how we've become accustomed to the lies and deceit. And then actually consider electing other liars just like the liars we have now.

I wonder when the Bush family will offer up Cheney and Karl Rove as sacrifices to Bush's legacy?

"Out of your lane?"

What the fuck? We've got idiots and morons voting for idiots and morons. Darwin, where is thy sting?

Amazing how we've become accustomed to the lies and deceit. And then actually consider electing other liars just like the liars we have now.

#1 | Posted by goblinsrreal2 at 2008-09-14 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you really do think that America is going to ELECT OBAMA???!!!!

And now they are busily trying to elect another easily manipulated puppet who has already caved on most issues on which he built his reputation as a maverick. McCain now is as much a maverick as any other Senator that would brag he voted with the president 90% of the time.

Look for Cheney to pull a William Casey on the eve of any investigation that may develop. Now THAT'S job dedication.

......there are no honest partners in a crime......

The Shrub was too busy cutting shrubs in Crawford or reading "My Pet Goat" to get involved.

It is amazing how many goals Cheney has achieved under the nose of everyone in Washington. The outcomes are consistently tragic for our country even as each turned into a windfall for AIPAC and other Cheney cronys.

The Shrub is responsible for letting Cheney get out of control.

Me being a serious Bush hater, I have to admit that Bush's biggest fault is that he's an idiot. I do not believe Bush is evil in and of himself.

Cheney on the other hand has a long history of evil. Bush should have gotten rid of his ass a long time ago, but if he had tried, he would have been maximally demoted with prejudice. I have a feeling Cheney was always pulling the string anyway.

Who voted twice for the Meatpuppet-in-Chief, Rideon?

I expect as VP, Sarah would only have to flash Mcsame some cleavage in the morning and she'd have run of the WH all day. Wondewr what dick had to do to get bush all stupificated? whatever it was, it makes Stupefying Jones seem boring..

Palin is hottttttt.

Who voted twice for the Meatpuppet-in-Chief, Rideon?

#10 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-09-15 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

More than voted for the Dem "alternative" twice.

McCain now is as much a maverick as any other Senator that would brag he voted with the president 90% of the time.

***** Wondewr what dick had to do to get bush all stupificated?..... Posted by northguy3 ******

......he got Jeff Gannon to visit........

"What the fuck? We've got idiots and morons voting for idiots and morons. Darwin, where is thy sting?"

Truly a government of the people. Problem is, the idiot majority is F-ing things up for people like me who aren't closely inspecting the insides of their colons.

Rent and watch "IDIOCRACY", it's meant to be a comedy, but we're mostly there already.

I'm completely flabbergasted that McCain/Palin could even be running within a long shot of Obama. Not out of any party affiliation (I completely believe in voting for the least idiotic). but just because it's so obviously more of the same, and complete disaster-waiting-to-happen WHEN McCain keels over in office and Palin takes the helm.

A nation of complete morons, truly. And getting dumber.

***** A nation of complete morons, truly. And getting dumber.
.... Posted by unklegwar ******

.......true.......

McCain now is as much a maverick as any other Senator that would brag he voted with the president 90% of the time.

Yes, Danni. And Obama himself has voted with Bush 40% of the time. And during his short rookie season in the Senate, he has robotically voted >99% (essentially 100%) of the time with his Dem leadership. Quite the change-master.
www.factcheck.org

So, Obama and McCain are both party-line voters in an election year. I know, this can come as a shock to anyone who is clueless as to how party politics work. Especially those who selectively reveal statistics instead of providing the whole picture.

#13 | Posted by PublicTrough at

A silly post.

Obama isn't CLAIMING to be the maverick, and OF COURSE he votes with the oppostion most of the time. It's only a good thing to break with your party when your party is wrong.

GWAR: Yeah, you'd think that after two terms of a "guy you'd wann have a beer with" would have changed some folks. But, here they are again, all smitten with Caribou Barbie, ready to repeat the same mistakes again. Some people never learn.

And, to vote "for the least idiotic" is about the best we can hope for in modern America.

Incurious George! And this was AFTER Cheney pulled the eyes over W. on 9/11 and told the POTUS that there was actionable intel suggesting that AF#1 was a target!!! Treason! High crimes! But Slick Cheney got away with it!

Who is worse, the person who lets himself get fooled once? Or the person who lets himself get fooled twice, and then again and again? Or the con artist doing all of the slick tricks?

Obama isn't CLAIMING to be the maverick

He's claiming to be an agent of change - a true unity candidate. He isn't either and has no track-record to support his claims.

McCain has a well-documented history of breaking from his party - hence a Maverick.

McCain has a well-documented history of breaking from his party

And then joining the fold when it suits him - hence a hack.

Palin is hottttttt.

#11 | Posted by Yodar013

I'd fuck her face.

#22

are you f'ing kidding me?

McCain has a well-documented history of breaking from his party - hence a Maverick.

correction a well documented history of talking like he is breaking from his party-hence a liar

More than voted for the Dem "alternative" twice.

After 9-11, two lost wars and an economic collapse, that's really nothing to be proud of, is it?

**** I'd fuck her face...... Posted by Manypaths****

.....get your cock chewed off ......

correction a well documented history of talking like he is breaking from his party-hence a liar

No, he's actually broken from his party in quite a number of occasions. Don't be a hack - it's one claim he can make where history backs him up.

And then joining the fold when it suits him - hence a hack.

And that's different from Obama how?

Look, I agree with the criticism, but sadly, political opportunism is part of our political culture. Obama has changed his position so many times over the last few months on so many issues, that I have no idea as to where he truly stands. Add to that, very little history to actually work with, and Obama is a risky vote.

" he's actually broken from his party in quite a number of occasions."

Except most of those---tax cuts for the wealthiest, torture, "agents of intolerance", among others---he's rejoined the Republican fold.

More than voted for the Dem "alternative" twice.

#12 | Posted by ride_on

They couldn't have been worse than "The Worst".

A silly post.

Obama isn't CLAIMING to be the maverick, and OF COURSE he votes with the oppostion most of the time. It's only a good thing to break with your party when your party is wrong.

Sure, MIDIMAN. Give a dismissive "silly post" wave. Obama is claiming to be a new vision, a new change. Yet he votes the party line 100% of the time like a good little boy who knows his place. I agree with you it's a good thing to break with your party when your party is wrong. So why does Obama keep voting for failed Dem policies?

"Yet he votes the party line 100% of the time like a good little boy who knows his place."

When he votes with the president is he also voting along party lines???
You can't have it both ways. Obama has supported funding the war over and over now you want to accuse him of partisan politics. Doesn't wash.

"Obama has changed his position so many times over the last few months on so many issues, that I have no idea as to where he truly stands."

Compared to "I was against the tax cuts for the rich before I wanted to make them permanent McCain" Obama has been very consistent.
Compared to "I was against torture before I was for torture McCain" he has been quite consistent.
Obama's biggest flip flop was on campaign funding and I can see how some would object to his flip flop but I think the lure of that much campaign cash would cause most to make the same decision.
Actually I am glad he did what he did.

"I will accept for purposes of discussion that it is as valuable as you say it is," Comey said. "That only makes this more painful. It doesn't change the analysis. If I can't find a lawful basis for something, your telling me you really, really need to do it doesn't help me."

Bummer. Just not a 'team player', doncha know!?

McCain is a pragmatist. It was not too long ago that he joined liberal Russ Feingold and pushed for campaign finance reform. He worked with Al Gore on global warming. he worked with Ted Kennedy to write a humane immigration bill. He joined with Bob Byrd and other Democrats to kill a Senate Republican plan to load the federal judiciary with neocons. He sided with Tom Daschle's Democrats and voted against the Bush tax cuts. He has fought pork-barreling in the House and Senate. He has aligned himself with liberal groups like People for the American Way, when denouncing the clout of "evil" evangelical political leaders. In short, he has done more working with Democratic senators than Obama could ever hope to accomplish.

But he knows that aligning himself with the liberal agenda during an election season will not get him elected. So, he and his advisors made a conscious decision last year to shelve his lib tendencies until after the election, in support of his #1 aim, which is to get elected. Just like Obama would have shelved any right-leaning across-the-aisle moves he had made, if he had actually done anything besides campaign for the presidency for the past 4 years.

I am voting for McCain because I believe he is a good man, who will tolerate the far-right in order to get elected and then once he is in the WH will be free to do the right thing, as he has always done the right thing in his public life. Until then, he will hold his nose and work to garner votes from the far right, many of whom he cannot stomach any more than many of us can. The difference is that Obama garners votes from an equally zealous and stridently intractable far left, yet rather than hold his nose, he embraces them.

Nappyheadedho-
re: "McCain is a pragmatist."

Yes. He will do and say ANYTHING to get elected.

...because he's a "good man".

...he probably votes, unlike some lazy SOB we know.

When he votes with the president is he also voting along party lines???
You can't have it both ways. Obama has supported funding the war over and over now you want to accuse him of partisan politics. Doesn't wash.

And now you see the ludicrousy of selectively parsing percentages as the Obama campaign has done, Danni. You see, you actually can have it both ways when you pick and choose numbers to fit your worldview. McCain voted with the Dem leadership 32% of the time. Obama voted with Bush 40% of the time. McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Obama voted with Pelosi 100% of the time.

And I am not accusing Obama of partisan politics.. those are your words. I am accusing the Obama campaign of lying by omission. If you want to talk voting percentages, it is dishonest to just pick the numbers that help make your case and ignore the ones that make your case look specious. In short, the fact that McCain's votes aligned 90% of the time with Bush in 2007 (he was as low as 64% in 2005) simply shows he is a Republican. But you knew that.

Next question?

The difference is that Obama garners votes from an equally zealous and stridently intractable far left, yet rather than hold his nose, he embraces them.

#35 | Posted by NappyHeadedHo

I WISH he'd appeal to the far left.

I've been begging him here, and when his campaign calls me, to do just that.

" why does Obama keep voting for failed Dem policies?"

Which "Dem policies" would those be?

Please point to at least two "Dem policies" Obama voted for, which have now been implemented and are proven failures.

" the fact that McCain's votes aligned 90% of the time with Bush in 2007 (he was as low as 64% in 2005) simply shows he is a Republican. "

And the fact that the country was moving further away from Bush, as McCain was moving closer (95%) and closer (100%), is evident.

...he probably votes, unlike some lazy SOB we know.
101;

1. McCain has left his senate chair vacant for vast amounts of time since he began campaigning. At one point he had allowed it to remain idle for over five weeks.
2. McCain recently surpassed North Dakota Senator Tim Johnson (D) as the senator with the highest level of absence. The difference being that Senator Johnson had a pretty decent excuse: he had a brain hemorrhage.
3. McCains absentee streak has also placed him in a position of honor amongst those who failed to vote this past session. In fact, he is the new King of the Hill.

Can folks name one fundamental difference between Bush's failed economic policies and John McCain's economic policies?

This expert couldn't:

Please point to at least two "Dem policies" Obama voted for, which have now been implemented and are proven failures.

Well, ya got me there Danforth. Seeing has the Democrats haven't done a single fucking thing since they have held control of the Congress, it's tough to even put my finger on one that has worked, let alone a couple that have failed. So I concede on that point. I concede that Obama's party has proven that they are incapable of governing in the new millenium. Thanks for calling attention to my misstep.

Cheney Hid Domestic Spying Program from Bush

Well, here's one answer to Palin's question: What does a VP do?

who will tolerate the far-right in order to get elected and then once he is in the WH will be free

I agree with this. I'm probably going to vote for Obama, but if McCain wins, I really have no idea what kind of president he'll be. If he wins I wouldn't be surprised on Jan. 21, 2009 he just goes, "Well, fuck all ya'll, I'm doing what ever the hell I feel like.

" So I concede on that point."

"I concede that Obama's party..."

But that wasn't the point, was it? And since you yourself admitted they haven't had the reigns, that reduces you to a feces-flinging monkey, doesn't it?

"... has proven that they are incapable of governing in the new millenium"

The only group proving they aren't capable of governing are the ones in the White House for the last seven and a half years. I've voted for Rs and Ds in my life; this current group is the worst governance I've ever seen.

anyone for watergate stew?

When do we get to piss on his head?

who will tolerate the far-right in order to get elected and then once he is in the WH will be free

Yeah, especially since he kowtowed to the "agents of intolerance" and accepted their Saint sarah. John will be as big a maverick as Bush was. Only seniler.

Party before country.

McSame/Moose Impaler will not be in the white house, so we will never know.

If they could keep the holes in the economy plugged until the election, maybe they will have a chance.

the problem is that the economy has a mind of it's own and it's nose-diving.

All republicans go down the shitter this election.

There is a lot of room in that Man-sized safe.

I wonder what else he has hidden in there!

No wonder Bush wants McLame to win. Just think of all the crap we will find out once we get them out of the White House.

Cheney takes the day off so:

1) Elvis says he's leaving the building.
2) Elvis fails to leave the building.
3) "This way, Mr Presleydent."
4) "Thank you very much. Thank you very much."

Sounds like another Scott McClellen book...which he lied about a few things...like the White House feeding Fox talking points. He apologized to Bill for that one.

Cheney has probably "not told" Bush a number of things until it became necessary, so that Bush could say he knew.

Now Cheney (and his buddies) see Sarah Palin as their next best hope for another four years. Forget about dumb bumbling old McCain. Just a figurehead. Their new Vice will do their bidding with a smile and even conviction, God forbid.