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Thursday, September 11, 2008

As the U.S. pauses to mark the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the spotlight from a presidential campaign and a new memorial at the Pentagon are joining the familiar rituals of remembrance on this solemn day.

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911 the temp that freedom burns.

God Bless those lost.

Could I ask respectfully that on this one subject that both sides keep their normally foaming at the mouth to themselves.

This was a tragic day and should be treated as such. You conspiracy nuts please just take a pill and come back tomorrow.

Here's hoping that we, as a people, learn more from that awful day than we appear to have done so far.


I am sad today. My heart bleeds for the victims and especially for the families of the dearly departed, whose lives were snatched from them because of religious intolerance and political opportunism, no other reason.

We have so many problems in our world and we have had to mourn too many deaths and too many lost causes.

Does it take a disaster like this to motivate us? Do we allow our leaders to embark on paths that will lead to more of the same?

While you are mourning the loss of life and the loss of american innocence today, think about that.

If the loved ones of people who were lost want to hold ceremonies that is one thing. But I really hate the way this has become Photo Op Day for politicians. I don't think people really need help remembering.

I remember before 6:00 a.m. that fateful day when my 80 year ols grandmother called crying with fear in her voice. She said a plane had crashed into the world trade center, and she couldn't get ahold of my mom, who was asleep.

I kept my grandmother on the phone and introduced her to 3 way calling and we all 3 talked.
But I will never forget the fear in my 80 year old Grandmother's voice.

I learned and felt a little more about the human soul that day.

Is it a coincidence that the McCain operators chose this day for Sarah Palin to come out on TV to tell us how John McCain will help us stay safe and defeat our enemies who still hate us?

Sarah Palin will truly communicate how the GOP is the ONLY party that can protect us from the enemy!

FACT!

...The kind of fear that caused SCORES of people to jump OUT of the upper floors of the WTC.

Just thinking about them counting the cost of that decision is frightening.

I don't want to be insensitive (but I am so what) but the RNC's use of 9-11 at their convention was disgusting. I agree with Sully, if politicians were really sincere about the victims of 9-11 perhaps they would stay home and have a day of quiet reflection out of the public eye.

Is it a coincidence that the McCain operators chose this day for Sarah Palin to come out on TV to tell us how John McCain will help us stay safe and defeat our enemies who still hate us?

#8 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-09-11 09:12 AM
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You just couldn't stand it could you. Why must you take a day of national tragity and turn it political.

So can y'all control yourself for a few hours and slow-your-partisan-bickering-
roll?

never forget.

No for danni
No for sully
James Dean doesn't name the opponent but trumpets his team

13 posts so far

If y'all don't shut it, it's gonna get ugly on here today.

Maybe conflict is fuel for the soul here on drudge.


The victims of 911 deserve this day of remembrance of their loved ones without the spectacle of cowards who wrap themselves in the flag for political purposes.

The things I saw, on a lot of the raw satellite feeds that day, still haunt me, and I was just monitoring a satellite signal.

I can only imagine the horrors that the people who were there saw... Heard... felt... smelled...

It hurts to remember those moments.

"You just couldn't stand it could you. Why must you take a day of national tragity and turn it political."

Frankly I'm surprised the thread lasted 8 posts. Although really I saw someone hinting at it in post #4.

#10 | Posted by kirk at 2008-09-11 09:16 AM

The photo of The Falling Man (www.esquire.com for Tom Junod's moving article and a truly horrifying image) is something that must be remembered, though contemplating it--as you indicate in your post, Kirk--takes one to borderlines in the mind that are perhaps best given a wide berth. When I've seen a film commemorating 9/11 played on several occasions, it is the jumpers who continue to shock the audience. And the faces of the victims---whether in or near buildings, or onboard airplanes---glimpsed in crumpled photographs that saddens beyond sadness.

The Opponent?

I think you may be talking bout the ENEMY:

Radical Muslim Extremists.

FACT.

You want ugly? Then go ahead and denigrate America today.

A friend who lives in Manhattan says that soon after 9/11 he walked past a nearby building in front of which was a large metal sculpture, perhaps a Calder. Jammed on top of the scupture was an empty passenger's seat from one of the airplanes. It's not there anymore, got taken down. Too bad, would've made a beyond-words statement. But once he told me about it, that image seared into my memory.

Oh, Jimmy, just shut the fuck up.
Just this once.
Please.

I went to bed last night looking out my window at those two beams of light shooting up into the sky.

Today I don't care how or why or who was or was not responsible.

It's just got to stop.... and more and more blood is not the answer.

I spoke to a young lady where I work yesterday about 9-11, she mentioned that she heard that 60% of the population can't tell you what year 9-11 occurred. That truely surprised me.

I will not "shut up". Never. We ALL know who attacked us this day 7 years ago. I am angry.

I HATE those terrorists and truly wish them harm.

Flipping TV stations came across MSNBC replaying their live coverage that day, talking to people by phone who were watching it as it happened, the fear and cofusion over what was happening makes my blood boil. Had to change the channel after a few minutes.

All the victims and their families are in my thoughts.

This country has changed in so many ways in the past 7 years, and not all of them for the better. But if we put aside the bipartisan politics and the arguments and insults we hurl across the aisle at each other, we'll see that what divides us is exactly what makes us strong. Americans will always be, in some subconscious way, united by the same shared feelings of dread and horror we all experienced on that day. There's no denying it.

I think all politicians nowadays need to remember that - to try to tap into that inherent patriotism. Bleeding-heart liberal or right-wing neo-con, we're all Americans.

Except you Canadians. You guys suck.

Do you guys fear that something awful might happen today? I do.


I was in Israel when 911 happened, it was 5 pm-ish. My hotel was in a Arab town. I drove through an area where palestinians live and they were having a party, shooting guns in the air, etc...

I high-tailed it out of that area because if they had known i was american I would have been killed.

I got back to my hotel and a shop-keeper from close to the hotel closed his shop (if you know arab merchants you will know this is a major thing), closed his shop and came to the hotel and asked for the american that has been there so long. We never knew each others name. he called me alabama.

They rang up my room and he begged me to come to his house to let his family help me mourn and to help me however i needed. I declined and thanked him and told him I just wanted to watch cnn alone.

Nothing ever affected me so much or opened my eyes so much. I saw him a few days later, he told me that he loved americans as a people, but hated the gov't. However, he didn't agree with killing under any circumstances and he didn't agree that islam was responsible anymore than the american government was responsible.

He was only scared because he was afraid his people would be punished for the acts of radical extremists. In a way, average americans (mostly christian) and average Muslims are in the same boat. Think what we could do if we put our heads together.

I'm sorry if this is too political, but sentimentality ain't gonna fix the problems.

"No for danni
No for sully
James Dean doesn't name the opponent but trumpets his team

13 posts so far

If y'all don't shut it, it's gonna get ugly on here today.

Maybe conflict is fuel for the soul here on drudge."

My comment wasn't meant to be partisan. I was talking about politicians in general and I was giving my honest opinion on the majority of these remeberances.

I also have to say I find the behavior of people who claim to want to avoid bickering but who then feel the need to criticize other posters to be totally hypocritical.

br />

Please keep your douchiness and name-calling on THIS thread:

www.drudge.com

I ASK you to control yourself today on the "Remember 9/11" thread.

In fact, I already called Dems and Repubs names.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-09-11 09:32 AM

Well spoken, Hagbard.

I spoke to a young lady where I work yesterday about 9-11, she mentioned that she heard that 60% of the population can't tell you what year 9-11 occurred. That truely surprised me.

Today's college freshmen were in 6th and 7th grade on September 11, 2001.

-We ALL know who attacked us this day 7 years ago

We also ALL know who has let the attacker live the last 7 years. So, please do stfu.

As an addendum - even if you hate him, his show, and everything he stands for, do yourself a favor and watch the speech Jon Stewart gave the first day The Daily Show came back on the air after 9/11. It's a very moving piece of television.

www.thedailyshow.com

Your blindness (BDS) has injured you.

FACT.

RIP mis amigos de NYC y DC. Paz.

I saw that show KINGER and agree.

Sully,
I'll own up to being a hypocrite.

Danni,
I wonder if something bad will happen today too.


www.youtube.com

My boss just sent out this email.. Here it is, in part:

Unpleasant as they are to read, here are some facts of what took place on September 11:

- 2,749 death certificates were filed relating to the WTC attacks, as of February 2005.

- Of these people who died, 2,117 (77%) were males and 632 (23%) were females.

- The median age for the victims was 39 years (range: 2-85 years); the median age was 38 years for females (range: 2-81 years) and 39 years for males (range: 3-85 years). Three people were aged under 5 years, and three were aged over 80 years.

- The New York City Fire Department lost 343 firefighters, almost half the number of on-duty deaths in the department's 100-year history.

- Fifteen million square feet of office space was lost at the WTC, more than three times the amount of space at the Sears Tower in Chicago. 1,430 companies with 50,000 employees from 26 countries called the WTC "the office."

- The fires at Ground Zero burned for 99 days, until December 19.

Since September 11 we have committed billions of dollars and many lives have been lost trying to bring security to our country.

Remember, those who did this tried to change our lives. They did not succeed. But they are still out there.

Thanks for that link, Kinger.
It brought back lots of memories.
And the tears, too.

Recommended reading: #29 | Posted by goblinsrreal2 at 2008-09-11 09:35 AM

www.thedailyshow.com

#34 | Posted by Kinger


Thanks, I needed that.

I remember reading comments by people who were going down the stairs to get out of the WTC who remembered the firefighters going up those same stairs. Real heros.

Sorry HAGBARD but I disagree, they did succeed. We are at war in two countries, we are more fearful, we are poorer, we distrust each other more, we have less tolerance for differences of opinion, the nation isn't the same as it was before, IMHO.

#29 | Posted by goblinsrreal2

Great post.

-Sorry HAGBARD but I disagree

You are right in what you say, but it didn't have to be that way. The world was on our side after 911, and it took an intensive effort in incompetence to change that.

"
#29 | Posted by goblinsrreal2


Great post."

2nd that.

9-1-1=7
9+1+1=11

7/11...Coincidence? I think not.

Goblins, that story was better when you told it as Lipzoidal.

Here is an Idea, if you had a friend or family member that died please list (first name only) their name as a way to honor them in a RARE act of bi-partisanship. I'll start.

Matt - Kathy misses you
Sam - your son made Eagle scout you would be proud.

When I heard the news on my way to work that morning I thought it was a big joak being pladed by the radio station. I found out different when I pulled into the parking lot and found that security had roped off a very large area around the building where I usualy parked. Then came the search at the front desk before going in.

Would it be fair to say that any politician that uses 9-11 (in the future) in any way to promote their own candidacy is dispicable?

Here's hoping that we, as a people, learn more from that awful day than we appear to have done so far.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I knew we could aggree on something someday.

I was in college at my first off-campus house. My buddy's batshit crazy girlfriend woke us up telling some wild story about planes hitting buildings. We didn't have the cable hooked up yet so we just figured she was off her meds or something. We didn't think any more of it until we went to campus to get something to eat and everyone was huddled around the TVs in the commons. Weird day.

Those non-belivers don't panic, Psalms is mostly song and poetry so it is okay to read this. This is a passage that the 9 year old son of a friend that was killed in the Pentagon read in church the Sunday after.

2 This I declare about the Lord:
He alone is my refuge, my place of safety;
he is my God, and I trust him.
3 For he will rescue you from every trap
and protect you from deadly disease.
4 He will cover you with his feathers.
He will shelter you with his wings.
His faithful promises are your armor and protection.
5 Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night,
nor the arrow that flies in the day.
6 Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness,
nor the disaster that strikes at midday.
7 Though a thousand fall at your side,
though ten thousand are dying around you,
these evils will not touch you.
8 Just open your eyes,
and see how the wicked are punished.

Psalm 91:2-8

Sorry HAGBARD but I disagree, they did succeed. We are at war in two countries, we are more fearful, we are poorer, we distrust each other more, we have less tolerance for differences of opinion, the nation isn't the same as it was before, IMHO.

#44 | Posted by danni

This is an amazing day. I aggree with her too.


Would it be fair to say that any politician that uses 9-11 (in the future) in any way to promote their own candidacy is dispicable?

#52 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-11 10:12 AM | Reply

In my openion danni, no it would not be appropriate, today. Tomorrow, go for it.

I feel sorry for the people in here whose deep hatred and ignorance will not allow them to be civil for this one day. Poor pathetic souls

We are at war in two countries, we are more fearful, we are poorer, we distrust each other more, we have less tolerance for differences of opinion, the nation isn't the same as it was before, IMHO.


#44 | Posted by danni

If this is your life, I feel sorry for you. Do not speak for the rest of us.


Is it a coincidence that the McCain operators chose this day for Sarah Palin to come out on TV to tell us how John McCain will help us stay safe and defeat our enemies who still hate us?


#8 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-09-11 09:12 AM
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You just couldn't stand it could you. Why must you take a day of national tragity and turn it political.

#12 | Posted by Mutt at 2008-09-11 09:17 AM | Reply

My reply is that you just can't ignore the question I asked. Do you think those people did not take the date into consideration when they made that decision? No way. The exploitation of 9/11 for political ends started on 9/12/2001.

My question in NO WAY is a negative reflection on the memory of those who died on 9/11. And to be hypothetical, don't you think some of those people would be downright disgusted at what has happened since? They can't even put up a Memorial without real-estate and political bickering.

"Do not speak for the rest of us."

I never do.

Leave it to 101 to get a funny flag on this thread.

Thanks for that.

I'm still angry about 9/11. All this maudlin stuff is necessary, I guess. What a damn shame.

Sitdown,

I can and will ignore the question you asked because today I don't give a tinkers damn about your political opinions or anyone elses.

I lost two friends that day. Anyone on this thread that inserts even a vague reference to a political statement is no better than those they try to criticize.


So, SITDOWN and SHUTUP

today I mourn the death of my cousin.

I agree with Mutt...keep this thread for rememberance...not childish partisan BS or political bickering...if you must go to the other thread for that.

As the title says "Remember 9/11" here...don't debate it.

To those of you who lost friends and loved loves, my prayers are with you.

Do not speak for the rest of us."

I never do.

#61 | Posted by danni

Sure you do, all the time.

- Sorry Corky, you are with us or against us.

Truthhurts,

My prayers and thoughts are with your family today.

thank you, he left 2 small, now young adult children.

Corky, Danni, and Sniper....

I disagree too... the post was a bone to polypartisan cooperation today. I work in a super conservative firm... I have to keep my opinions the d.l.... if you know what I mean.

www.tuesdayschildren.org

- with us or against us.

The kind of thinking that either causes disasters or makes them worse.


thank you, he left 2 small, now young adult children.

#70 | Posted by truthhurts


correction 4, not 2 sorry brain fart there

The kind of thinking that either causes disasters or makes them worse.


#73 | Posted by Corky

And your kind of "thinking" causes countries to become, well not countries anymore.

This should be on another thread.

This is the last thing I have to say about this; (I am not a christian but I have always found wisdom for the living in these verses).

Proverbs 6:16

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

9/11 proved at least one thing... New Yorkers can really come together in a crunch.

The Daily Show vid was incredibly moving. Just as that entire day was.

My wife and I watched Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center" recently. Very fine piece of work. No politics, just a simple story about some brave policemen fighting to stay alive in the rubble.

That day is burned into my mind and soul and body like nothing else that I have ever experienced. After standing in awe in my office conference room and watching the disaster unfold on television, I walked out of work and drove to the day care center to pick up my almost-2-year-old daughter, to take her home and hug her and protect her. My wife and I watched TV all day and all night, while our daughter played with her toys, completely oblivious.

It was tranquil outside, because the jets that normally flew over our house had been silenced by a ban on air travel. I remember feeling so profoundly sad that I ran out of tears. My heart was empty, like the cloudless, flightless blue sky overhead.

9-11 changed the way Americans think of our country. Before that day we feld almost immune from the horrors we have seen occur in other countries, on 9-11 we learned we too are very vulnerable in a way that our great military and science can't really protect us. I don't think any of us will ever really believe America is safe from terrorists again even if we kill Bin Laden and every member of Al Quaeda. Too easily some other angry lunatic like a Tim McVeigh could arise and do even worse than 9-11.

Well said CBOB.

I remember my father expressing the same feelings of grief, fear, and life-changing impact the Pearl Harbor attack had on him.

www.youtube.com

I was at work at my then-new job. I had only been there two weeks. The secretary said "hey, look at this!" There was an announcement on the Dallas News website. I tried to log in to CNN and it was jammed/unavailable for hours. In the meanwhile, we turned on the radio and listened in disbelief.


If the loved ones of people who were lost want to hold ceremonies that is one thing. But I really hate the way this has become Photo Op Day for politicians. I don't think people really need help remembering.

#6 | Posted by Sully at


you are right, of course, but the deal with mccain and all in NYC was well done and I just didnt consider it a photo opt.
and I think those videos ought to be shown on a regular basis because we a a country have a short memory.
I remember being on the way to my feeder middle school and stopping in a parking lot to listen and by the time I got back to the high school parents were already picking up thier children and I drove into town and watched the reports with people at a restuarant and we all agreed
that a lot of what we now know as islamic terrorists would HAVE TO DIE........and I am not in any way trying to provoke any other reaction other than disgust with BOTH BUSH AND CLINTON for not doing more before.
God bless the souls of the fallen.

BLT are you in the path of Ike?

Danni,
This thread is about 9/11 remembrances only! Keep your partisan posts to yourself. I think I speak for all of us.

Yeah Danni!

Quit rooting for Ike to fuck-up BLT's life!


On a more serious note...

9-11 was a huge wake-up call for me. At that time in my life I had only a casual interest in news, politics, current affairs, history, etc.

On that day, a switch flipped in my brain. Since then I've become a news and history junkie.

I think the monumental impact of what that day represented was a personal wake-up call.

Remembrance of 9-11 should truly be a non-partisan affair. It was a transformative event that greatly affected almost everyone in this great country.


God bless those who died on that day and God bless those who have given their lives in defense of this great nation.


God bless America.

Ditto Jeff--


God Bless those who perished
God Bless their families
God Bless America

"I think I speak for all of us."

You don't. I don't.

BLT I hope you get through the storm safely.

I can say that and still be just as sincere in my remembrance of 9-11 as those who try to dictate what others say.

I was working at the NTC when this happened. We had been given internet access about 2 months before. I walked into the technicians area and everyone was saying "damn, I can't believe it". All monitors were on streaming news. I asked what happened and my supervisor said a plane hit the towers, and then as we watched another plane hit.

Shortly after that we were informed the base was on shutdown. We could not contact our families. We didn't know whether we would even be allowed to go home that night.

Where I live there are 3 military bases within 30 mins, I was working on the 1 that is the farthest away, but I live near the closest 5 mins away.

I was beside myself with worry for my family and not being able to contact them due to the shutdown. So I can imagine the feelings of others in the NY area that didn't know and couldn't get any information.

And the roughest part of it. After about a half an hour of disbelief we were told to get back to work. Gotta love government contractors.

My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones on that day, may they find peace and solice.

2,588 days without an attack on American soil.

God bless our troops and God bless the United States of America!


BLT are you in the path of Ike?

#84 | Posted by danni at 2008


yes as a matter of fact I am but I am on the northwest side of houston and I wont have a problem with water but the wind should get up around the 100 or so mark. my townhome is 5 years old and I have been told that it has been built to withstand those winds
and I really appreciate the comments.
I went through carla in a place only moments from a major bay in the galveston system and in fact I have neighbors who are hosting people from lower lying areas...........so it should be okay.

BLT I hope you get through the storm safely.


I can say that and still be just as sincere in my remembrance of 9-11 as those who try to dictate what others say.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2008


yes you can because both are about people sticking together regardless of just how WRONG You are on every political issue.......(thats a little tease, people, so dont have a hernia over it)......

Good luck, BLT.

"so it should be okay."

Posted by bushlovertwo

Batten down the hatches.
IKE REMAINS A VERY LARGE TROPICAL CYCLONE. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS
EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 115 MILES...185 KM...FROM THE CENTER...AND
TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 275 MILES...445 KM.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY A NOAA HURRICANE
HUNTER AIRCRAFT WAS 945 MB...27.91 INCHES.

COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF UP TO 20 FT ABOVE NORMAL TIDE
LEVELS...ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE
EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE CENTER OF IKE MAKES
LANDFALL. COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 7 FEET ABOVE NORMAL
TIDE LEVELS...ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS WAVES...CAN BE
EXPECTED WITHIN THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING AREA ALONG THE NORTHERN
GULF COAST. ABOVE NORMAL TIDES IN THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO SHOULD
GRADUALLY SUBSIDE OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO.

IKE IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES ALONG
THE CENTRAL AND UPPER TEXAS COAST AND OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTHWESTERN
LOUISIANA...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES POSSIBLE.
RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA.

REPEATING THE 1000 AM CDT POSITION...25.5 N...88.4 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 10 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...100
MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...945 MB.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 100 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 400
PM CDT.
www.hwn.org

Poor High Island.

"On that day, a switch flipped in my brain. Since then I've become a news and history junkie."

The key to life is not what you read, but rather what you do. Reading about many issues is never as important as taking a physical stand over one impassioned belief.

Its been almost 25 years since I've stood (or rather crouched) on the other side of loaded guns pointed in my direction. 9-11 was no surprise for me. It was rather a link in the chain, connected to a great big giant iron ball that will drag everyone on this planet down into nothingness. Death and pain is everywhere. So is sadness. So is remembrance. I saw it in Lebanon, I saw it in Grenada, I saw it on my TV during 9-11. Everyone around the world has their own personal 9-11.

The surprise came in what transpired afterward. The only time I truly weep is when we as Amnericans fight and die for reasons that have no basis in the US Constitution. I took an oath to the Constitution long ago and therefore I will gladly fight and die for it. What else is there to live (or die) for???

In my opinion, nothing we as a country have done since 9-11 has any relation to that. Nothing we have done since that time has in ay way preserved our liberty or honored the Constitution. In a large part it has been simply two-dimensional posturing from a bunch of partisan hacks.

If partisan-based sympathy and sorrow for well-publicized tragic events was the currency for complete faith in one's country or fellow citizen, the whole world would be full of universal patriots.

I will spare you all the "God bless" this and "God bless" thats. Superficial bullshit. All I will say is....

Long live the Constitution in the hearts of all who call themselves American.

So I can imagine the feelings of others in the NY area that didn't know and couldn't get any information.

#89 | Posted by Dragnlady

I was in Peru when it happened and couldn't get in touch with my family in NYC for about 12 hours. I'm barely literate when it comes to spanish and couldn't tell from the Peruano news what tf was going on back home. Definitely one of the worst days of my life. The craziest thing was that I just wanted to be back home with my family in NYC even if it meant the worst. I was committed to three months in Peru so I didn't go.

Long live the Constitution in the hearts of all who call themselves American.


#95 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

Deserves a second posting.

Long live the Constitution in the hearts of all who call themselves American.


#95 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

Deserves a second posting.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine


Third.

thanks doc

U.S. Constitution: Article VI

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

U.S. Constiturion: Ninth Amendment


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

"I was in Peru when it happened and couldn't get in touch with my family in NYC for about 12 hours."

I bet that really was terrible.

Thomas Jefferson was a genius.

"I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

John F. Kennedy

i was in the atrium of the wtc 1 week before hanging out with friends

it was a blow

close friends/family
rip


i'm in nyc right now
wish i could go down and join the remembrance downtown
work sux.

I remember 9/11

I remember 9/11/2001.
We prayed in public. Our politicians called for prayer. The American public prayed. Flags waved. Unity.

I remember 9/11/2002.
The lawsuits began. Flags at half-staff. Divided.

I remember 9/11/2003.
Nobody prayed out loud. Flags burned. Lost.

I remember 9/11/2004.
Remember what? Flags unsold. ?

Woooooooo!

-Rick Flair

"I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

John F. Kennedy

Posted by LeeAtwater


sweet

I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."


John F. Kennedy

#103 | Posted by LeeAtwater


thats a GREAT quote isnt it?

when the missiles struck I was excited. I was hoping all out war and anarchy would break out. I dreamed of a day when our way of life would come apart at the seams.

"Just when you think you know the answers, I change the questions."

"Rowdy" Roddy Piper

I was in Job Corps at the time. I awoke in my 4-man dorm, talk radio on my little radio as usual, and the.. white boy who listens to music he'll never understand.. put on his Dr. Dre crap as usual. I yelled at him to turn it off, because something was happening. He gave me some crap and I threw his CD out the window, turned on the dorm TV and commanded him to shut the hell up. That was, and still is, very out of character for me. Probably because I had never been like that before, he instantly did so.

We spent the next 3 hours watching the TV, the four of us. None of us left the room, not even to go to the bathroom. The only things we could say were statements of awe, and four letter words. I'm not even sure if they rang the class bell that morning; none of us paid the slightest attention to anything but the television. Finally the rap-listening white boy suggested we all go out to the public area and have a smoke.

What you usually see out there is a lot of posturing, a lot of mockery, and sometimes outright fights. Job Corps is like high school, except these are the dredges of society, the lost souls who had no other choice except maybe the military. I include myself in that, I was a complete scumbag.

That day, it was like watching the world as directed by Kubrick or something. Everything was surreal. Some people were trying to go about their regular day, but they were like zombies. A few people were openly drunk, having lost family members. One guy was just sitting there, not talking, smoking cigg after cigg. There was a prayer group off to the side, and I KNOW that not everyone in that group was the same religion, one of the guys was a Muslim. Even the COLOURS seemed a bit off. I saw people making out furiously. There were some people ranting angrily about what we had to do next. I saw a large range of human emotion, but the one thing I didn't see was any bullshit. Nobody was preening. Nobody was posturing and lying. Everyone was displaying raw emotions, naked, unashamed.

There's a strong undercurrent that people forget all the time. Democrat, Republican. Redneck or Homeboy. Rich and Poor. Black and White. Patriotic or Rebellious. We have the luxury of forgetting, because of the freedoms we have, that we are all Americans. But when it comes right down to it, when all the bullshit is stripped away, there lies that one bare fact. We all love what we have, and we stand shoulder to shoulder in times of crisis. We are one. We are Americans. And we will never forget.

The song that always makes me think of that day, is an older one. I quote a verse from it here, you may take or leave whatever meaning I imbue it for yourselves.

"Our shoreline was never invaded, our country was never in flames.
This is the calm we breathe, this is a feeling too strong to contain.
Still it aches like tetanus, it reeks of politics.
Signatures stained with tears, who can remember?
Weve got to remember."

MSNBC's rebroadcast of the events as they unfolded on Sept. 11, 2001, was an unpleasant reminder of how much of a gut-punch that day was. My wife pointed out something I hadn't noticed before -- jumpers were leaping from the first tower before the second hit.

One thing I was wondering, based on seeing the footage again, was how many people were sickened or died as a result of exposure to all those toxins from the collapsed buildings.

My wife comes from a country that has been riven by terrorism, and she's seen plenty of it firsthand. On 9/11 she had plane reservations in hand to attend a nephew's wedding in her homeland a few days after 9/11. She was plenty scared at the prospect of getting on an airplane for international travel. Although, in the end, she didn't go---the flights were so scrambled post-9/11 she couldn't have gotten there---she'd already decided to go if she'd been able. "Otherwise, we let the bastards make up our minds for us," she said.

My oldest daughter had to go to London on business a week, maybe two, after 9/11. I was quite proud that she didn't let this atrocity affect her decision, or even her attitude, towards taking a trip like that.

Evilpolock - Agreed

I bet that really was terrible.

#102 | Posted by danni

very much so... and a post facto apology for my last post on the Ron Paul thread. You know you can get me going when you ... well, you know what that is that you do.

You know you can get me going when you ... well, you know what that is that you do.
#116 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

www.youtube.com

Sorry, couldn't resist.

:>)

I lost two friends that day. Anyone on this thread that inserts even a vague reference to a political statement is no better than those they try to criticize. - MUTT

MUTT - Don't be so judgmental - there is nothing about this Retort so far as I know that decrees that the tone of a thread to be of one particular nature or intention. I won't tell you how close I was to that event on that day or how many people I knew who died that day, because I am not here to indulge in such thoughts. They are best expressed elsewhere. But if you watch Sarah Palin on ABC, just wait for the rehearsed soundbites of what she says about our country and how John McCain will make our great country "safe", and if I am no better than that, you are welcome to tell me so, or not.


I don't remember which network---CNN, perhaps?---kept playing Enya's "Only Time" (www.youtube.com) on 9/11. I used to love that song, but I don't think I've been able to listen to it all the way through since then. It works as a trigger, bringing the horror and sadness beyond sadness back in awful rippling waves.

well, you know what that is that you do.

#116 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-09-11 12:49 PM | Reply


www.youtube.com

sitdown, I think the issue is that within 19 minutes of the thread opening, you (s)trolled in and lobbed a generic non-sequitor grenade. Perhaps this thread would naturally morph into a discussion about how the current administration dealt with the situation. But to hijack the thread right off the bat with a posting about Sarah Palin seems like you are just being random and disuptive and clueless.

does anybody remember the videos of the ME men dancing in the streets when this happened? I remember they closed arbys early and I was so pissed.

7 years ago today, Iran had a turnout of over ONE MILLION people who came out to grieve for America and her tragic loss.

What the hell happened to us along the way?

Candle Power
Iran mourns America's dead

www.time.com


Food for thought.

Yet some joke about bombing them.
I don't think we learned anything since 9-11.

"""Don't be so judgmental - there is nothing about this Retort so far as I know that decrees that the tone of a thread to be of one particular nature or intention."""

Go fgiure... a leftie who has never had a thread dumped on DR. I'll make you a deal...go find some of Celisary's or Redneckville's or Klifferd's classic anti-McCain or anti-Bush profanity-laced rants, and cut and paste the word "Obama" wherever you see "McCain", and post it on here under a rightie-sounding pseudonym, and see how long it takes before all your leftie comrades flag it until it gets dumped. The bit bucket here is typically full of red, and very little blue.


7 years ago today, Iran had a turnout of over ONE MILLION people who came out to grieve for America and her tragic loss.

#123 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-09-11 01:06 PM

Candle Power
Iran mourns America's dead

www.time.com

Food for thought.
#125 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-11 01:08 PM

I did not realize this. Thanks for the postings. It does make you wonder about what the hell has happened in those 7 years.

Doc and Bob,

"I really hate you guys."

-Eric Cartman

"It does make you wonder about what the hell has happened in those 7 years."

Posted by nappyheadedho


Bush awards Michael Brown the Presidential Medal of Freedom

z.about.com

Tenet too!
Seems more ironic.

LOL, Hagbard.
By the way, thanks for your 09:45 AM post.

....I am not here to indulge in such thoughts. They are best expressed elsewhere. But if you watch Sarah Palin on ABC, just wait for the rehearsed soundbites of what she says about our country and how John McCain will make our great country "safe", and if I am no better than that, you are welcome to tell me so, or not.

#118 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-09-11 12:55 PM

Sighhhh... You just can't help yourself can you SITDOWN? You do know that Obama is speaking at ground zero today also, any words for him?

But that aside you can put lipstick on a racist, sexist, Marxist, pig like Obama and he is still a racist, sexist, Marxist pig.

Posted by Mutt at 2008-09-10 09:25 AM | Reply


I think your words will do just fine, MUTT.


911 the temp that freedom burns.

#1 | Posted by rastaninja

Copyright infringing douchechills...

"You do know that Obama is speaking at ground zero today also, any words for him?"

Think he'll say that only Democrats can keep us safe???
Remember Dick Cheney saying that if we elected Kerry we would get hit again???

Well since SITDOWN has decided to turn this thread, intended by most to be a safe place to express your feelings about today without the partisan attacks into a cesspool, then it's time for me to leave him to lie in his own manure.

If