Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, September 10, 2008

During the first four years that Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, the town's police department charged women who had been raped with the cost of "rape kits," the $300 to $1,200 exams necessary to collect evidence of the sex assault. (More on Workbench)

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Wasilla is Inuit for "crazy white pig"

Brave New World. Oh, by the way, Sarah Palin shot a moose. Guess it was just as well she wasn't sexually assaulted by one.

That's "change" women can really get behind.
Sarah Palin is a woman that doesn't seem to really care about......women.
I hope every single former Hilary supporter that has switched hears this story.

The effect of this policy is to make women much less likely to report rapes. Why on God's green earth would that be important to any one but a rapist?

She found a new revenue stream. You can't fault her for that.

In a related story, Palin wanted to charge rape victims for police time spent on their cases, on an hourly basis.

I wondered when this would hit the Retort. This sums up Savior Sarah perfectly.

Since 1976, Alaska has ranked every year in the top five for rapes, with a rate currently 2.2 times the national average, according to the state's Health and Social Services department.

No money? No rape kit for you! Who cares? You will carry the baby to term and you will LIKE IT!

Hey, only Socialists expect the Government to give a shit if they've been raped. If any of them had been real Americans they would have done their own exam and investigation and then shot the rapist with their handgun.








And then given birth to the baby.

Holy shit! This bible-thumping bumpkin is going to be a heartbeat away? Why not make James Dobson President?

This is a really odd story. I'm getting the strong impression Palin as a general rule faults women for being raped and wants to punish them.

In a way this is funny---I was promising MURPHY last night that Palin is so "colorful" there would be no early end to stories like this.


I wondered when this would hit the Retort. This sums up Savior Sarah perfectly.


Since 1976, Alaska has ranked every year in the top five for rapes, with a rate currently 2.2 times the national average, according to the state's Health and Social Services department.


No money? No rape kit for you! Who cares? You will carry the baby to term and you will LIKE IT!

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2008-09-10 05:52 PM



Yeah. You're right. Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes. Going further, she personally pushed through legislation during her term as governor that not only encouraged rape, but protected rapists after the fact.

This is the type of post that would get BetelG all excersized, if it was aimed at a Democrat.

When did the policy of charging victims start?

Neither article mentions it. It only quotes the police officer as saying "In the past".

Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes. Going further, she personally pushed through legislation during her term as governor that not only encouraged rape, but protected rapists after the fact.
#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-10 06:02 PM


You got a link for that?

"Sarah Palin personally performed those rapes....."

It appears she was interested in aiding and abetting rape. I don't put that statement out casually. If you think this policy could have any other effect, have on.

"Just sit back and enjoy it" Senator Packwood (OR-R)

While you're mulling over your response, another question---Did police actually inform rape victims they would be liable for up to $1200 before their investigation commenced?

How many then decided not to prefer charges?

How long will it take before this story proves "false" Boy yoy lefties are really making a name for yourselves

Quit the faux outrage libs. You are on the rapist's side anyway. Especially if it involves a child. Oh yeah here's a link to support claim:

seattletimes.nwsource.com

Here's another:

www.aclu-nj.org

and another:

www.courierpress.com

"How long will it take for this story to be proven false....?"

Let's say for the sake of argument that it's true. Make any difference to you at all?

No sexists or homophobes in the McCain campaign...

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

--John McCain

Apparently this is not unusual for most states in the US. Some hospitals already offer anonymous rape kits, but most states refuse to cover the cost of the exam (approximately $800) unless the survivor files a police report.


Starting next year across the country, rape victims too afraid or too ashamed to go to police can undergo an emergency-room forensic rape exam, and the evidence gathered will be kept on file in a sealed envelope in case they decide to press charges.

The new federal requirement that states pay for "Jane Doe rape kits" is aimed at removing one of the biggest obstacles to prosecuting rape cases: Some women are so traumatized they don't come forward until it is too late to collect hair, semen or other samples.

www.msnbc.msn.com


My goodness, EL CID---Someone really twisted your nads.


Reported the local paper, The Frontiersman, at the time:

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Now, look, maybe this was long-standing policy, instituted far before Palin took office in Wasilla. Maybe she had been appointing people who would overturn this policy. Uh, no. After taking office, Palin fired the police chief, Irl Stambaugh (which made her a subject of a recall effort) and replaced him with Charlie Fannon. Fannon's view of paying to solve rape cases?

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.

So, for four years - from 1996, when Palin took office to 2000 when this law was passed - Palin didn't seem to have a problem with charging rape victims to solve their own crime. And if she did, she certainly didn't communicate that to her hand-picked Police Chief, who didn't have a problem with it.

I guess that's one way to be a "Maverick."

Of course, I'd be willing to say that Palin was just a part-time Mayor with very little oversight or responsibility, and it's unfair to say she could do something about it.

But, as Palin has made clear, being Mayor was "kiiiiiind of like being a community organizer, except you have actual responsibility." And, of course, John McCain and his campaign have made clear that as Mayor, Palin had a ton of responsibility and decision-making pressure, which is why she's ready to assume the Presidency from Day One.
www.huffingtonpost.com


Quelle feministe!

"No sexists or homophobes in the McCain campaign..."

Let's not forget McCain's woman-gorilla "joke."

Here's the really interesting thing----Apparently what Palin was doing in Wassila in regards to rape cases was so egregious the Alaska State government stepped in.

www.frontiersman.com
It's true. Here's the link. She was Mayor...

She a true feminist....

"You are on the rapist's side anyway. Especially if it involves a child.
#19 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-09-10 06:13 PM"

Did those liberal cops, the liberal D.A., and that liberal judge put you away for a long time?

Damn Doc... Beat me to it...

I managed to dig up this gem from his [John McCain's] 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:

"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, Where is that marvelous ape?"

Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla, and this is it after a 2 week investigation? Besides, that small hick town run by a small town hick mayor isn't that big of a deal, is it girls?

Poor people don't get raped.

Love,

Sarah Palin

Someone posted above the very high rape rate in Alaska, more than two victims per thousand.

"This is it after a two week investigation...."

That would come out be at least sixteen rapes per year in Wassila. An interesting study would be to compare the expected rape rate with the reported rape rate in that town.

Funny, the quote from the police chief says something about charging their insurance companies or making thr criminal pay. I didn't see anything in the quote about the rape victims actually being forced to pay..

"Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla"

Speaks for itself.

I'd be more inclined to believe that Palin had anything to do with this if we hadn't already heard here that her youngest child is actually her daughters kid, or that she tried to ban books, or that she cut funding for special needs kids... and so on and so forth...

Sorry, the left has no credibility left with accusations against Palin...


"Obama sends 30 members of his tribe to Wasilla"


Speaks for itself.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian

Sure it does, but I'm not running for President this year.

Actually, it appears statistically likely there were around fifty rapes in Wassila last year.

WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

"Sorry, the left has no credibility left with accusations against Palin..."

Sorry, the right has no credibility left with its hysterical apologetics for Savior Sarah, who is still hiding from the press on Day 12.

"During the first four years that Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, the town's police department charged women who had been raped with the cost of "rape kits," the $300 to $1,200 exams necessary to collect evidence of the sex assault."

YEAH!

Big deal! Last weels story!
Everyone already knows wasilla is Full of Sluts!

Sincerely

Eberlyelcid


WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

#39 | Posted by Zed

because he said, "tribe?" wouldn't that be Indian, not black

(Feathers Indian... not Dot)

"The Left has no credibility left in their accusations against Palin...."

Palin still lying her ass off about that bridge, Kemosabe?


WISGOD has discovered Obama is a negro. How quaint.

#39 | Posted by Zed

Liar, he's a halfrican.

"Wouldn't that be Indian....""

I suppose he could have been refering to Scotsmen. What strange people.

Well, Rob---You have to admit---This Palin stuff is starting to resemble the Cult of Bush at it's worst.

Sure it does, but I'm not running for President this year.#37 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 06:35 PM

Neither is Palin, Wisgod.

Palin still lying her ass off about that bridge, Kemosabe?

#43 | Posted by Zed

Lets see...still lying her ass off and hiding for the last 12 days? You poor bastards can't even agree on your story. LOL.

Neither is Palin, Wisgod.

#48 | Posted by anamerican

Don't tell me, tell Barry. :)

Sigh....Palin has national ads out lying about that bridge. I've seen them; I'll bet you have too.

Come clean---Don't care it's a lie or not. Am I right?

"And you trying to portray the Right as being cultist for Palin after standing in line for the last 3 years to suckle Obama's bag is really hysterical...

#45 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole "

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts for the last 12 months. Or you're just a liar.

Why the Ef do lefty DR desparates need to dig up insignificant drivel that they THINK slimes Palin?

Oh yeah! They know what aint gonna be the new sherrif in town is a ***BOINGGGGGGGGGG****

(veiled reference to blazing saddles)

FACT!!!!

Whenever JAMES DEAN appears, suddenly I'm thinking about sausage.

d.yimg.com

Yesterday at McCain rally.


Whenever JAMES DEAN appears, suddenly I'm thinking about sausage.

#54 | Posted by Zed

I think retard... But really so we should care about BO pastor? LOL

FF Zed.

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts for the last 12 months. Or you're just a liar.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh let me guess... you're just another independent here... right?


d.yimg.com


Yesterday at McCain rally.

#55 | Posted by anamerican
Was it the early bird special? Couldn't tell, sorry.

Thanks WISGOD.

Eat your heart out, chill.

I aint' gots one...

"Oh let me guess... you're just another independent here... right?"

Like I said, you either haven't been reading my posts or threads posted critical of Obama, or you're just a liar. Ask JeffJ about what I've posted about Obama, dipshit.


Well, Rob---You have to admit---This Palin stuff is starting to resemble the Cult of Bush at it's worst.

#47 | Posted by Zed

the "cult of bush" is nothing compared to the "church of Obama."

Leftist have no room to talk about how the Right feels about Palin. Hell we've only been a little high on her for what? 2 weeks? Lefty "men" have been taping Barack's headshot to the back of their wives' heads since the 2004 convention speech...

Like I said, you either haven't been reading my posts or threads posted critical of Obama, or you're just a liar. Ask JeffJ about what I've posted about Obama, dipshit.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian

Yup... nothing but independents and republicans here.

"the "cult of bush" is nothing compared to the "church of Obama."

And neither compare to the cult of Palin, who nobody heard of two weeks ago, and is now the next Ronald Reagan in eyes of her brain dead worshippers.

And Rob BO will last longer. Not say, just saying... Palin will FAde::;;;...........

Null is an = hater;-) Keeps folks on there toes...

say=saying "Not saying, just saying" I feel better.

And neither compare to the cult of Palin, who nobody heard of two weeks ago, and is now the next Ronald Reagan in eyes of her brain dead worshippers.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian

Nullindependent must think nobody but he has had a television or internet access since 2004...

"Whenever JAMES DEAN appears, suddenly I'm thinking about sausage."
Posted by Zed at 2008-09-10 06:47 PM | Reply

The cocktail weiner variety or the kielbasa?

*pfffft*

CHILL-
In your view why do you think Palin will fade?


*pfffft*

#72 | Posted by nullifidian

Ah... touche... I stand corrected...

In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victim's insurance company when possible. I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.

Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.

I think people may be jumping the gun a bit with this. A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

Yup... nothing but independents and republicans here.

#65 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Maybe all the Independents are black.

Maybe all the Independents are black.

#76 | Posted by wisgod

From the Slapahoe tribe...

So Sarah gets blamed for all the lame laws on the books?

OMG--they spit on the sidewalk--it's all Sarah's fault!!

----------------

Check it out--

www.msnbc.msn.com

This is going on all over the country.

If the woman has health insurance--it's covered.

If the woman doesn't--then the feds are stepping in to take this cost away. Which is the right thing to do.

And yes--the Obama campaign has sent 30 lawyers to scour the records and the trash cans of Wasilla.

It's called Opposition Research and all campaigns do it. To bad Hillary or the media--didn't do it before Feb 5th against Obama.

That's how you --the consumer-- is getting ridiculous stories like this thread.

Swinging and missing--

Excuse me while I check my lipstick..

If she doesn't start talking to the press BO will define her. He's a dumb fuck for not doing it already. After BO's 2004 speech he was on the scene, but not an intense 10 week blinding spot light. I think there is a difference. He had time to simmer. "The light that burns the fastest, burns the quickest" or some ole shit like that... I think BO messed up in VP choices. To safe...

I think people may be jumping the gun a bit with this. A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

#75 | Posted by katieberry

$20 million skating rink.... I agree fuck the chicks. I wanna play some Hockey!!!

"Excuse me while I check my lipstick..

#78 | Posted by MURPHY "

You need something, proven liar.


"Excuse me while I check my lipstick..


#78 | Posted by MURPHY "


You need something, proven liar.

#81 | Posted by nullifidian

Speaks for itself.

"Speaks for itself."

Yep. If the shoe fits...

Yes--Chilly--since you brought up 2004--

Here is the one talking about his lack of experience to run in 2008--he said this in 2004.

www.youtube.com

He's humble. Not a cowbay. Bush turned out all right...

Palin Code Name: 'Denali'
The Trail Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:34:53 PM
By Anne E. Kornblut GREAT FALLS, Mont. -- The Secret Service has selected a fitting enough code name for Gov. Sarah Palin: ...

I thought it was going to be "bebe". Never betting again...

I thought it was going to be "bebe". Never betting again...

#86 | Posted by Chill

I would have guessed you'd bet on "Porky".

More of a Bebe then Porky. If there was some smutty videos out there of her though....

Peace out DR. Going home.

XXX0000 Chill. -Sarah

FF as always for WisGod...

Abortions for some...Tiny American flags for others.

A small town only has so much money, I don't see why it is a big deal to charge the criminal and/or insurance company for the exam. As long as the victim doesn't have to pay out-of-pocket, I really see this as a non-issue.

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.

It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

New talking points fromn the left, and Donna Brazil was the only name I caught out of the 6 quotes:

Jesus was a Community Organizer, but Pontius Pilot was a Governor. It just doesn't get any better than this!

RCADE and the left wing political hacks have been known to dig through trash dumpsters and ouyhouses for their "headlines".

"Excuse me while I get my lipstick...."

Ma, MURPHY just called me a pig!

Abortions for some...Tiny American flags for others

Eric - if the tiny flag is in the right place, the pregnancy may be avoided.

Sometimes I find it very difficult to understand how Murphy could name her child "Dylan".

Is there somebody other than Bob D or D Thomas I am not thinking of? Was there a Republican Dylan?

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.


It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

#93 | Posted by rcade

Have any victims come forward who were charged with the cost of the rape kit?

Maybe its just naive of me, but I would hope that if they couldn't get the insurance company to take it or the victim didn't have insurance that they would just eat the cost...

With what seems like weekly rapes in Wasilla you would think at least one would speak out about it... just curious.

Is there somebody other than Bob D or D Thomas I am not thinking of? Was there a Republican Dylan?

#98 | Posted by sitdown

Beverly Hills 90210

Here sitdown. Sleep well.
The boy's and girl's name Dylan d(y)-lan is pronounced DIL-an. It is of Welsh origin, and its meaning is "son of the sea".

At the time of the crime, there's no criminal to bill, and some victims might not be insured. If you charge rape victims with the cost of collecting their own evidence, you make it more likely that victims will either (a) not pursue charges, or (b) not pay to collect the evidence, keeping rapists on the street.

It's an atrocious policy. Nothing good comes of it.

Yes, I agree it's *potentially* a bad policy. If the PD only charged if there is health insurance but otherwise ate the cost, would you have a problem with it?

It appears she was interested in aiding and abetting rape. I don't put that statement out casually. If you think this policy could have any other effect, have on.

#15 | Posted by Zed

she is in essence levying a "pole" tax on the rape victim in order for the police to do their job.. How about using some of the free money you stole from the rest of the USA taxpayers from earmarks and help some of your citizens.

With what seems like weekly rapes in Wasilla you would think at least one would speak out about it... just curious.

#99 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Alaskas rape rate is 2.4 times the national average.

Alaska has six times the national average of reported child sexual assault.

1999 reported 83.5 rapes per 100,000 females compared to a U.S. average of 32.7 per 100,000 females

rural areas disproportionately shoulder the burden of higher rates of rape

60% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police

* Approximately 73% of rape victims know their assailants.
* Only 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.

Biden admits Hillary would have been a better pick for VP than him--


Biden: Hillary a Better Pick Than Me
Email
Share September 10, 2008 5:17 PM

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Barack Obama's vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Wednesday said that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, might have been a better pick for the position than him.

At a rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, a man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary "not because she's a woman, but because look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight. Shes a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, shes easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me. But shes first rate, I mean that sincerely, shes first rate, so lets get that straight."

Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obamas most important decision of this election and Biden - the candidate he selects - suggests himself that he wasnt the right man for the job and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

blogs.abcnews.com

It makes no sense that the police would charge the victim to collect evidence.

They don't do that when your house or business is robbed.

They don't do that when your house or business is robbed.

#106 | Posted by Proven Liar at 2008-09-10 08:41 PM | Reply

so going by the logic of the left.... if i get shot...and the police need to have the ballistics of the bullet in my body...i can charge the state to remove it....wow my insurance company will be happy to know that

Umm. I see that NONE of you are up on the issues regarding women. Alaska does the same thing everywhere else does. If a woman requests a rape kit but doesn't want the police involved, she's requesting an elective procedure, just as much as a woman asking to have her breasts enhanced. Before you get your bile up, read that sentence again. Then one more time. Even then, she STILL has a chance to press charges. If she does so, then a suit for the cost of her medical care is added to the criminal charges brought against her assailant.

The only time they will ever keep the charge on HER for the kit is if she never brings any charges. I know it hurts to think that a woman might lie about such a thing, but it really IS more common then you'd think. This exists to discourage frivolous civil suits which can somehow pop up regarding a "rape" that nobody ever calls the police for.

When a woman is raped, and actually goes to the police, nobody says a damned thing about the price of the test. Here's a headsup guys, if you get shot in the shoulder and go to the hospital, you or your insurance get billed for it. If someone stabs you in the gut, you or your insurance get billed for it. If you are raped, you or your insurance get billed for it. This is the way it has been. The reason the victim rarely ends up paying for these things is that it is figured into the damage awards. Who else is going to sign for the initial bill, the rapist?

Does this mean that if you get stabbed in the gut and the cops never find the guy, _you_ will be on the tab for paying for your medical care? YES IT DOES AND IT ALWAYS HAS. Sometimes the state steps in and uses part of it's budget to cover your medical care, but they are in no way obligated to.

Headline should read: "Hopsitals bill patients for emergency medical treatment and medical evidence kits." (Which, in itself, really IS kinda crappy, but it is the standard)

Nothing about Palin at all. This has as much to do with Palin as saying "Palin's Town allows snow to fall on people's driveways and town doesn't plow it themselves!"

Null--grow up --

The Dems have picked a rookie with a glass jaw and is melting.

He can't get Sarah out of his head and he screwed up with the pig joke.

You know why?

Because now he lied about it. The crowd knew his joke was aimed at Sarah and that's the truth.

And all of America knows it--he is either stupid or lying or thought it was funny or has a problem with women or all of the above.

It was aimed at Sarah just like the old fish part was aimed at McCain.

It was clever--but it backfired. Red meat for yellow dogs.

He should have known better --but most of the Dem side of the aisle is out of control over Gov Palin.

And Obama is in the lead of the lemmings getting ready to go over the cliff..

"He screwed up with that pig joke...."

MURPHY, why do you persist in spreading that lie in regards to what Obama said? Serious question.

From what I can tell, McCain was looking for a reason to fight and when no immediate cause presented itself, made one up.

I'll put a finer point on it, McCain was looking for some reason to deffenf the littel lady's honor, so made one up.

From what I can tell, McCain was looking for a reason to fight and when no immediate cause presented itself, made one up.

#111 | Posted by Zed

He's getting alot of milage tonight from the MSM for what he made up.

WHups---McCain was looking for some reason to defend the little lady's honor, so made one up.

"Null--grow up --"

I'm not a chronic liar, like you, Murphy. You should stop lying. Are you a Christian?. Why do Christians lie?

Nothing I can do about the MSM, WISGOD---But MURPHY'S here and she appears to think the rest of us are stupid. What's the point of that?

Murph isn't saying anything that I haven't heard on CNN, MSNBC or Fox tonight.

New talking points fromn the left, and Donna Brazil was the only name I caught out of the 6 quotes:

Jesus was a Community Organizer, but Pontius Pilot was a Governor. It just doesn't get any better than this!

#94 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 07:31 PM | Reply

Sooooo what you're saying is, by extension, Sarah Palin actually ordered the execution of Jesus Christ. I guess that does away with her critics' claim that she has no meaningful executive experience.

I've listened to what Obama said a number of times now. You can't get the meaning out of it MURPHY does.

Sooooo what you're saying is, by extension, Sarah Palin actually ordered the execution of Jesus Christ. I guess that does away with her critics' claim that she has no meaningful executive experience.

#118 | Posted by anton

Noooo, what I'm saying is that it's a stupid comparison, that appears to have been born fron D. KOS.

That is, you can't get that meaning if you: 1) Comprehend the King's English or 2) are honest about it.

I almost feel sorry for McCain.

A quarter century in Washington. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. Lets Bush and Rove hit all over him AND HIS FAMILY eight years ago. Finally gets the nomination and now plays second fiddle to his running mate.


I've listened to what Obama said a number of times now. You can't get the meaning out of it MURPHY does.

#119 | Posted by Zed

Have you listened to the pundants and their guests on CNN, MNSBC and Fox?

MURPHY's gone into cloister. Woo-woo. However, a lie remains a lie even when you're not confronted on it. Nasty little fact of life you're just going to have to live with.

No, I've listened to no pundits, I've listened to the actual statement. Not good enough?


No, I've listened to no pundits, I've listened to the actual statement. Not good enough?

#125 | Posted by Zed

No big deal to me, but this air time normally costs big bucks.

This is the old Hitler-Had-One-Testicle ploy. He had two, but it was ever so much juicier to claim one.

Zed, politics aside, as both sides are guilty. Can you imagine what the rest of the world thinks about our political process?

Can you imagine what the rest of the world thinks about our political process?

#128 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-09-10 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't give a shit about the rest of the world.
Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-09 07:06 AM | Reply

Pontius Palin.

You guys are going after the wrong person--!!

1) If you look at the video they are looping on every channel--you will see Obama cross the stage to your right. There two black women sitting in the front row.

When Obama wipes his forehead and goes with the lipstick on a pig remark--one of the women touches her friends leg--"see--listen to this--he is going after Palin". It's obvious body language.

The crowd understood the inference and so did America--I am not the liar. Obama is the liar by not admitting to his poor joke.

BTW--the new ad on the sex education with Obama--is stupid and BS. I sent an email.

_________

Now for some jokes about Sarah---

www.blackfive.net

Hockey Rink - $20,000,000
Rape Victims - $0

AU --do you read anything?

Go read Sohe #109


AU --do you read anything?


Go read Sohe #109

#133 | Posted by MURPHY

No, he normally grabs a mug of Obama koolaid, and scrolls to the bottom of the thread. He still thinks Palin screwed the special needs kids in Alaska.

MURPHY

I've pretty much quit reading anything by most posters.

"Those fucking libs", "You lib pukes", et al

This site has denigrated to the lowest common denominator.

As to SOHE, he's gotten in the "Obama is a ----" pond.

I've attacked political stands and am sick that people aren't really talking about issues. Hypocricy runs rampant. If it's a Dem doing something it's HORRIBLE!!!!!!

If a Republican does exactly the same or similar thing it's the "Main Stream Media" and their bias.

Murphy-
Still, what is your job as 'facilitator' of "mediation"?

What is "mediation" in this context?

WISGOD just made my point for me.

Troll looking to throw shit.

To bad you couldn't reference the Special Needs budget cuts. But in AU world, that's just mean spirited politics, right? You don't want anyone to challenge you, leave.

WISGOD just made my point for me.
Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And if it wasn't me, it would be anyone who questions you. Leave.

Can anyone tell me what a licensed "facilitator of mediation" does ala Murphy?

MURPHY---Interpreting a statement through the lense of "two Black women" is just plain crazy. If this is what you're doing, then you're guilty of rabid bias, not dishonesty. But the bias has undogged your hatches.

I agree with my friend WISGOD fully, both sides can and have done much the same things. After this week I imagine it's war.

Thanks Zed. Night all.

Wow. AU, amazing. Because I don't like your Messiah any more then I like McCain I can't POSSIBLY be knowledgeable about other subjects?

Neat. No wonder people constantly get confused as to what the hell you're talking about. Unless someone agrees totally with you or argues with you by name, you don't take the time to read their posts. Good to know.

I've attacked political stands and am sick that people aren't really talking about issues. Hypocricy runs rampant. If it's a Dem doing something it's HORRIBLE!!!!!!

If a Republican does exactly the same or similar thing it's the "Main Stream Media" and their bias.

#135 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-10 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

And furthermore, I don't think that at all.

I think BOTH sides are full of shit. I just think the largest current example of hypocrisy is the fact that the Dems spent so many years claiming how much better then the Republicans they were morally.. and it turned out not to be true in the lsoghtest bit. This BEING a Democratic-leaning site, I'm clearly going to end up clashing with Dems more for the time being. If you pull your head out of your rectum you'd realize when I'm not slamming Dems for hypocrisy, I'm slamming rich dickheads for being greedy, and Christians for being hypocrites.

You know why? Because I put the truth ahead of any party loyalty. Just for the longest time, I was fooled into thinking the Democrats also cared in the slightest about the truth.

How in the hell did spell check let the word "lsoghtest" through? It did it again. Does anyone know what that word MEANS?

Under Palin, Wasilla Charged Rape Victims for Evidence Kits. www.cadenhead.org

Palin On Abortion: I'd Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped. www.huffingtonpost.com

Alaska is at least 250% higher than any other state for rape, child sexual assaults, and men murdering women, leading the nation in violence against women. www.ncadv.org

This election is about Nepotism and Profiteering vs. Democracy and Competence.

McCain/Palin want to change America back to the traditional values of nationalism commonly associated with war (both external and domestic), secession, and even genocide in contexts ranging from imperial conquest to struggles for national liberation. Smaller but highly visible groups also self-identify as 'nationalist', although it may be a euphemism for neo-Nazis or white supremacists. Activists in other countries are often referred to as ultra-nationalists, with a clearly pejorative meaning. See also chauvinism and jingoism. Nationalism is a component of other political ideologies, and in its extreme form, Fascism.


Obama/Biden are obviously Cosmopolitan -the idea that all of humanity belongs to a single moral community. Essentially, they are promoting the Post-Industrial Society, which has been prophesied by Daniel Bell in his tome, The Coming of Post-Industrial Society. Their, "hope for change," then is really a sublimated desire for progress, efficiency, and equillibrium.

Thus, this election should really boil down to the simple question of: Do you want War or do you want Peace?