I've been wanting to pen a post articulating my confusion at the unmitigated hatred the Left and the media has shown toward a woman who is barely known in the world of politics.

The linked article does a pretty good job of addressing some of my thoughts.

She's done a number of things that should resonate well with the left.

1. She took on and defeated a corrupt establishment, ousting even Republicans.

2. She cut a noteworthy amount of fat and excess from the Alaskan establishment.

3. She stems from humble origins and his risen to where she is on her own.

4. She's a working mom who may shatter the current glass ceiling for women - both of which should cause feminists to rejoice.

5. She's been outwardly supportive of her daughter in regards to her out-of-wed pregnancy.

Despite all of this, the left's hatred for her is downright toxic. Upon hearing her bio, I knew she'd confound the left a bit, but the seething hatred and fury unleashed really surprised me.

Cause she is afraid to take questions.

Too delicate to 'Meet the press' or 'Face the nation'.
Poor little girl tryin to live in a big girls world.

Just too delicate. might get her feelings hurt.

BAN Car Antennae!

Being a liar and a loon doesn't help her much, either.

Being a liar and a loon doesn't help her much, either.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I thought this thread was about Palin, not Michele Obammy?

The main reason i hate her (and i am an independant)is;

1) She's a liar,

2) she has proven that she will use public office to further a private agenda,

3) she's a religious fanatic, and not the good kind either,

4) She has no experience that is meaningful,

5) her selection was purely political,

6) her and mcsame old bullshit will loose come nov.

7) nobody in their right mind would want her as prez.

8) she represents everything that is wrong with america today.

9) she wants to take away even more personal rights

10) she's a big old douche-bag, and not the good kind either.

GobblinsRreal2 is an independent!

Actually he/she is a libby loon...

FACT!!!

"Despite all of this, the left's hatred for her is downright toxic."

Speaking for myself, and not "The Left," I don't hate Sarah. I find her in equal parts appalling and amusing, sort of a Dan Quayle with boobs, full of ignorance, superstition and prejudice.

What I do hate is the blatant cynicism of the Wall Street-Madison Avenue effort to put lipstick on a pig and peddle it as Leader Of The Free World. I'm not sure whether I should hate those gullible enough to buy Sarah, but I surely hate the gullibility. herm

What I do hate is the blatant cynicism of the Wall Street-Madison Avenue effort to put lipstick on a pig and peddle it as Leader Of The Free World.

#9 | Posted by herm

HERM, I think you are losing it. SHE IS RUNNING FOR VP!

Speaking of cynicism, how about marketing a community organizer as the savior of the planet? How's that campaign going? Oh, not so well? Trouble with the politics of victimization campaign?

4) She has no experience that is meaningful,

#7 | Posted by goblinsrreal2

As opposed to the community organizer? Right.

10) she's a big old douche-bag, and not the good kind either.

#7 | Posted by goblinsrreal2

What's the good kind? The one in your shower?

How does Bristol Palin's pregnancy disqualify Sarah Palin to be vice president? Why is it even relevant?

What liberals hate is the fact that for 30 years Republican/Conservatives have made this type of thing an issue in public life and now that it is a potential impediment to their power grab, suddenly there is no problem with this issue.

Republican Hypocrisy.

The truth has always been hated.

Jeff J

Let's see if you have broken your habit of talking out your ass.

1. She took on and defeated a corrupt establishment, ousting even Republicans.

Link?

2. She cut a noteworthy amount of fat and excess from the Alaskan establishment.

Link?

3. She stems from humble origins and his risen to where she is on her own.

She is where she is at because McCain selected her. Minus one on your score.

4. She's a working mom who may shatter the current glass ceiling for women - both of which should cause feminists to rejoice.

She works, and is a parent. I doubt the "raising the kids" part since she has done such a poor job in raising them. She obviously has had to ignore the raising of her children. Even you must admit that Palin can't be two places at the same time.

5. She's been outwardly supportive of her daughter in regards to her out-of-wed pregnancy.

BFD--what do you think she should have done---kick her out into the street? She should have spent some time with her daughter explaining to her how not to get pregnant, and instilling in her the morality to not go fucking around. She was obviously too busy being governor.

Despite all of this, the left's hatred for her is downright toxic. Upon hearing her bio, I knew she'd confound the left a bit, but the seething hatred and fury unleashed really surprised me.

You have seen nothing from the left but the truth about her. You just hate the truth. The same with Bush--the left doesn't hate Bush--the left hates the things Bush has DONE. See the difference there?

Here is a nice little story about Palin stealing money from the state that I am about to make a nice thread about, but you can have a first look-see. I am sure you will take it as a vicious attack and a lie rather than a fact finding report about a woman who could become President, and wonder why people hate her so much.

The Left hates her because she is not a liberal. They simply can't stand the notion that the first female Vice President (who would then be the front-runner for President in 2012) could be a conservative. The Left likes to think they have a monopoly on minorities and other disadvantaged classes in our society. You see the same seething hatred toward other accomplished conservative minorities like Clarence Thomas, and women like Condoleezza Rice. The Left gets tied in knots when conservatives advance minorities and women into positions of power, because it gives them one less reason to call conservatives bigots.

Buffalo Bob knows what he is talking about.

Link?

JeffJ,

You ought to enjoy this, a radio host tries to discredit Palin with Mike Gravel (D-Alaska) as a stooge. Mike has none of it....

Buffalo Bob knows what he is talking about.

Link?

#17 | Posted by 51773 at 2008-09-09 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't go in there, it's a trap! Longtime Drudge posters know how ineffective linking facts and figures are at deterring bOoB from his pre-decided beliefs.

Don't go in there, it's a trap! Longtime Drudge posters know how ineffective linking facts and figures are at deterring bOoB from his pre-decided beliefs.

Thanks.
However if you stop and think about it, has anyone ever, been challenged about their views, and said "Oh my, you are right, I never thought about it like that" and went on their merry way? There is no changing of minds on here. Just a continual drone of "My daddy is bigger than your daddy"

oh yeah

"link?"

The Left gets tied in knots when conservatives advance minorities and women into positions of power, because it gives them one less reason to call conservatives bigots.

#16 | Posted by JOE

Ok, I'm gonna type this slow so you can understand. Given liberals track record, do you really believe your own bullshit?

Liberals don't like her because of what she stands for, namely, extremist, right wing talibaptists beliefs that will throw the whole american government fundementals out the window if she believes jesus wants her to do that. Plus she has a track record of corruption.

This is the secondary reason why she and Mcstupid will loose in november. The main reason is that they are just exactly like Bush/Cheney.

Besides, Buffalo Bette and I went to different schools together.

Link?

However if you stop and think about it, has anyone ever, been challenged about their views, and said "Oh my, you are right, I never thought about it like that" and went on their merry way? There is no changing of minds on here. Just a continual drone of "My daddy is bigger than your daddy"

#20 | Posted by 51773 at 2008-09-09 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've done it a few times here, I think. And I rip on myself when I make particularly bad typoes, or when I misunderstood someone's post. It's not that hard to admit when you're wrong or foolish, really. My philosophy is to defend my beliefs to the best of my capacities.. until I'm proven wrong. Then defend my new belief just as fiercely. It's a side effect of being more interested in the truth, then in actually being "right".

Heck, since I've gotten here, the third party guys have actually had some effect on me. Sitting on this board and reading links, and watching behaviour of the Democrats here has made me realize that the difference between Dem and republican pretty much ARE zero. No matter who we put into office, abortions will stay legal. No matter who we put into office, big corporations will continue to walk free from criminal offenses (FISA anyone?) and the difference between an Obama and McCain presidency will be pretty much zero.

The whole interplay is a big dog and pony show to keep people entertained and wasting money so those who already have more then they will ever need can get a little bit more. That's human nature. I don't delude myself into thinking a third party has a chance, yet.. or that Nader is anything other then a deluded egomaniac, but I no longer believe the Democrats to be above it all. I no longer believe they have the slightest bit more integrity then a Republican anymore. This season, and maybe even this board itself, opened my eyes to that.

So.. yes... people can evolve. They just have to stop putting their ego in front of their mind. Don;t come in with preset beliefs and feel that anyone who believes otherwise is a heretic.

...bOoB doesn't have that ability any more then FLOPEARSISTOAST/OBAMASUCKS/
whatever he's calling himself this week does, so don't wast your time.

Cause she is afraid to take questions.

Too delicate to 'Meet the press' or 'Face the nation'.
Poor little girl tryin to live in a big girls world.

Just too delicate. might get her feelings hurt.

#2 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

dont you understand that the world doesnt start and end with talking to these people?
she is on with gibson and will make it to those shows I would hope but dont try and make them out to be more than what they are.
SURE if the dem was hesitant about it I would be all over it, but I am sure and hope that she is on there in the near future.
BUT ITS NOT A DEAL KILLER IF SHE ISNT

Being a liar and a loon doesn't help her much, either.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

well we have pointed out the LIES that the left is telling that would make you call her a liar but I guess you dont believe even CNN....
and a loon.....not surprising at all when you call her a loon
a working mother and all the things that would make her a femminists hero EXCEPT FOR ONE THING
she isnt a liberal and thats all that matters isnt it?????????

thataboy bob.........

you call it stealing.
did you even read the story?

I guess it would have been better to stay in the mansion and fly around in the plane preaching about golbal warming and using more electricity than most subdivions............OOPS...s
orry wrong politician

so tell me where these things were illegal and I might actually read some more of your famous links,.

and I guess you dont give a shit about how much money fannie mae and the other has given clinton and the messiah........that doesnt matter though does it?

I don't hate her, I just don't agree with her policies - she is more Bush than McCain.

". Plus she has a track record of corruption. "

Seriously? you are gonna try that?
A bunch of rumors that conflict with what she has proven by her actions? And what no mention of obamas bribe money? Do you honestly believe she is less honest then obama? She has had shit thrown at her in an unprecedented display of sorry partisanship and came out smelling like roses. It would seem that America is not as impressed with the pathetic attempts to smear her with petty lies and rumor.

she is more Bush than McCain.

#29 | Posted by taxman

She is far from being bush. She has a history - albeit short - of making govt. smaller not bigger.

Elcid, Alaska leads in pork per capita.

However if you stop and think about it, has anyone ever, been challenged about their views, and said "Oh my, you are right, I never thought about it like that" and went on their merry way? There is no changing of minds on here. Just a continual drone of "My daddy is bigger than your daddy"

#20 | Posted by 51773

No. If you are looking for that kind of discussion you are on the wrong website. This site is dedicated to attacking the opposition - whichever side you are on. There is the occasional, and I mean occasional, friendly interaction among some of the older regulars, but mostly its dog eat dog. Nobody changes their minds here.

I don't hate her, I just don't agree with her policies - she is more Bush than McCain.

Agreed. If she ever becomes president, she will out Bush Bush on many issues.

BLT,
Wrong, it is a deal killer. If elected, Sarah is set to be one feeble heartbeat away from being leader of the free world. Do you not get that?
If she wants to ascend to the Heartbeat away status she has a duty to make herself and her positions and her past known to the voters.

McSame is quite likely to be unable to finish his term. As JD would say...Fact!

So quit hiding and celebrate the brilliant mind of Sarah the poor little girl who is afraid to MEET THE PRESS and FACE THE NATION.

Step up and be a real adult about this. Adults who run for VP are expected to answer questions. Is this your first rodeo or what? If she is too delicate to speak up on her own behalf, she aint no world leader.

Fact!

Adults who run for VP are expected to answer questions.
#35 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

As are those who run for pres. How long did it take hussein to answer questions with a response other than - we need change and hope and change? He will be less than a heartbeat away - and that scares the shit out of me. You libs are all over SP for her experience. How does being editor of a school newspaper and organizing block parties qualify one for the presidency? Oh yeah, he also voted present a million times.

Are out little friends STILL sqirming and scurrying around trying to find a new "gate" and make it stick?
How about trooper-pregnant daughter-husband DUI-stealing funds-husband partner affair and travel office firing gate? Oooops, ignore that last one. If you can get Dan Rather on it, you might could make that "gate stick, ya' think?

she has proven that she will use public office to further a private agenda,

Here is the latest incident that has been uncovered:

"In Palin's Past, the Personal Got Political"

No refutation of the liar/loon label, I see.
Pity.

What did Sarah Palin ever do to inspire the rage and bile that exploded on her selection by John McCain?

She's running against Barack Token Obama... duh

"No refutation of the liar/loon label, I see."

Figured none was needed, as obama has that one pretty well monopolized.

Some of the reasons is that she is every thing the femenist movement was seeking:

1) successful family
2) successful career
3) supportive husband

But she is to:

1) Is femenine.
2) Doesn't wear cloths designed for men.
3) Doesn't take marching orders from the eastern elite.

And she did all of this without being angry or a victim.

And the bottom line:

She is pro-life.

femenist == feminist

Sarah Palin is beautiful, smart, honest and has exceptional morals and values!

FACT!

Run Sarah! RUN!!!

The left doesn't hate Palin.

What they hate is that the VP has more executive experience than the P running with her, that she'd be someone you'd want backing you up with a shotgun than her own running mate, and she's the only one out of everyone who was an executive in gov't.

Instead, we have three Legislators that have been in Congress - the same three that complain about Washington while they were a part of it.

I'm opposed to her being one little cardiac infarction away from the Presidency of the United States because I'm beginning to get a suspicion that she's a closet dominionist. Her remarks about God wanting us to kick ass and chew bubblegum over in the land of little brown people bothers me. Your mileage may vary, but don't expect me to sign off on it. That's not hate, so save your neo-newspeak frames for the choir.

If she quit lying that would help.

If there were not hundreds of more qualified PEOPLE that would help. (I detest the idea of diversity for diversity's sake.)

But she really needs to quit lying about her and others' records. It is perfectly OK to hate liars. We all should. Palin is a liar.

If she wasn't the result of Pandering to the Religious Right, that would help.

I do find it funny that this is the BEST that the GOP can muster up. Sad days ahead for that party if this is the best that they can do.

That's not hate, so save your neo-newspeak frames for the choir.

#46 | Posted by dutch46

Very well put sir/maam.

If she quit lying that would help.

If there were not hundreds of more qualified PEOPLE that would help. (I detest the idea of diversity for diversity's sake.)

But she really needs to quit lying about her and others' records. It is perfectly OK to hate liars. We all should. Palin is a liar.

If she wasn't the result of Pandering to the Religious Right, that would help.

I do find it funny that this is the BEST that the GOP can muster up. Sad days ahead for that party if this is the best that they can do.

#47 | Posted by Manypaths

That post is just too funny for words. You libs kill me on the qualifications - editing a school newspaper and organizing community bazaars qualifies you for president? - That has to be the dumbest argument the left can pose - keep doing it.

Pandering to the right? As opposed to pandering to the vicitim society?

Keep attacking her. Her popularity will continue to grow. She is not the end all be all of candidates, but she is a sight better than your candidate for pres.

But you seem ok with all the lies.

That is very disturbing. Or it tels a lot about the person that you are.

Who knows?

Answered in 4 words:

She is a Republican

Keep attacking her.
Posted by ELCIDCE90

It's Known as "majoring on the minor". It's what you do when your Candidates qualifications need a distraction.

I know many Republicans who jumped off the McCain bus with her selection.

It's not just the Left. It's most of everyone who is not Far Right or waiting for Jesus.

New Bumper Sticker:

Bush Sucks and Jesus is Dead!

why do they hate?

because they have an intense desire to hate - it didn't matter who mccain chose, they would have hated that person with equal intensity.

i know several democrats who love her in this area, but they are old school democrats - you never know how they're going to vote - some have NEVER voted democrat. strange, i know.

i've asked many of them, "why are you a registered democrat if you've never voted that way?"

their collective answer, "because that's how my parents were registered and if somebody found out i was registered otherwise, there'd be hell to pay!"

what are democrats afraid of?

"what are democrats afraid of?"

Probably the same thing as GOPers are afraid of. They're exactly the same y'know.

The choice in November is no longer between Republican or Democrat. The choice is now continuing to take it, or not taking it any longer.

As a result, I have decided that it would be best for the country's survival if Obama was elected President. Not because I think Obama would be a good choice. I just believe that there IS no choice. Therefore, I would vote for a transferral of power-- and that transfer can only happen if a Democrat is elected-- a transfer in executive power from Republican (Bush) to Democrat (Obama).

In everyone's fervor to bash Palin or jump up and down on Obama or McCain over this silly stuff that really doesn't fundamentally change the direction in which our country is headed, has anyone thought what would happen in this transfer of power timeframe if Obama was elected? I mean really, have you thought about it good and hard???

During this "peaceful" switchover comes a point in time where the control of this country is truly and fundamentally exposed-- kinda like that thermal exhaust port in the Death Star. We are sitting ducks. Any major event unfolding at this fragile time would wreak havoc on our nation and the government would be forced to declare martial law for its own safety. Thinking about it soberly and logically, the conclusion could very well be reached that there is a high probability that something will happen at this time, and whether it is from a foreign source or an internal would no longer matter at that point in time, only that it had happened.

What will happen at that time will set into motion a chain of events that could very well lead to full scale revolution in this country.

After that, it then becomes a question of who wants it more? Wants what? Well, who wants America to return to what it originally was intended to be?

This hypothetical scenario will be very much on my mind when I close the curtain and pull down the lever come November.

Not hate, but, well, let's do some science, m'kay?

-Take Ms. Palin
-Change chromosomes to make a male
-Add a few years
-Add daddy's money

Presto! She's Shlub all over again!

Same shit, different diaper.

"They keep attacking her; her popularity will grow...."

I'd guess there's a natural limit to that. But it does remind me of one of the major reasons I've always thought the Right insisted we stay in Iraq---Because the Left wanted to leave.

It can't be emphasized often enough. The same people drooling over Sarah Palin drooled over George W. Bush.

Bush himself drooled for years and years. I recall pointing that out. I was told that wasn't spit. Then I was told I was a traitor for saying anything at all.

The Right has not proven itself a good judge of character. And, win or lose in November, Palin remains what she is, a horse's ass.

"Palin remains what she is, a horse's ass."

Technically speaking, a moose's ass.

It can't be emphasized often enough. The same people drooling over Sarah Palin drooled over George W. Bush.

Proving them to be fucking idiots.

Case Closed!!!

"what are democrats afraid of?"

Why is the Caribou Coward afraid of taking questions?

Republicans have proven to be very poor judges of character and leadership ability. Shoving your head up the anus of Jesus doesn't change that fact.

He's still dead by the way.

#59 | Posted by Manypaths

Obviously we know alot about your character from this post MP.

Funny how you can attack her character whilst ignoring obammys past associations. Well, not funny - sad really. But very predictable.

Null,

I seriously hope she does answer questions, as she should.

That said, has the media ever investigated and reported on Obama's expense reports?

Has the media ever called into question the Obama parents' ability to raise their 2 children as Barack is running for POTUS and Michelle works full time? Going further - has the media ever suggested that Obama should drop out of the race because he has children to raise? Has the media ever suggested that the Obamas are shitty parents as a result of running for office?

Has the media ever scrutinized and reported on all of the earmarks that could be tied to Obama? They certainly have with Palin, and it's SENATORS who tack pork onto bills in the senate, NOT governors or mayors.

Did the media ever place bets as to whether or not Obama would withdraw from the primary when the Rev. Wright story broke?

Look, I am all for a serious vetting of Sarah Palin. Digging into her expense reports is responsible journalism IMO. I just wish the media would exert even a fraction of the effort into vetting Obama as they have done with Palin. For fuck's sake! He's been running for the #1 spot for 19 months now and yet the media can't be bothered to investigate some of the things they've dug-up on Palin over the course of the 10-days she's been in the spotlight???

I've only been drawing parallels. The media has glossed over Obama's relationships with Rezko and Ayers. The only relationship that has even been remotely reported was his relationship with Wright. On that note, has anyone in the media sought to interview Rev. Wright after Obama fucked him over? What about interviewing fellow parishioners who can either confirm or deny Obama's presence during some incendiary sermons? The media has certainly found some obscure Alaskans who question Palin's creds for VP. Of course, they haven't even tried to balance that with some props from other obscure, or not so obscure, Alaskans.

If we ever needed an example of blatant media bias, this is it.

"A fraction of the effort vetting Obama as they have done with Palin...."

Obama never hoped to evade "vetting". It's abundantly obvious the McCain campaign is expending copious energy trying to make sure Palin does exactly that.

Obama calls Sarah a pig and McCain old fish.

The campaign is imploding.

Obama is rude and an idiot. There are other words..

"Obama calls Sarah a pig and McCain old fish."

He didn't do anything of the sort, you pathetic liar.

"There are other words...."

Well, I'd have thought "liar" is about the worst one of all. Palin is a liar but you don't care. So vote for her, and hope that McCain can derail Troopergate just long enough.

Just don't bitch in a year or so if we are so unlucky as to have this lady inflicted on us. A woman already this "colorful" has a few more secrets I'm willing to bet.

I wonder if it has occurred to McCain yet that many of his new supporters are actually hoping he dies within weeks of becoming president.

That's gotta feel a little odd.

So, Murphy---You were one of those absolutely persuaded W. was the Second Coming. How did all of that work out.

Palin practically wears a sign around her neck that says "Stop Me Before I (fill in the blank)". Bush wore the same sign.

Obama never hoped to evade "vetting".

Why should he be concerned?

With the exception of reporting on Wright-gate, the media has been pretty much sucking his dick for 19 straight months.

Also, let's review the timeline, shall we....

August 29: Palin announced as McCain's Veep on the doorstep of the Rep convention.

She spends the next few days preparing for the biggest speech of her life.

September 3: Palin gives her speech
September 4: McCain gives his speech and the convention ends.

Fast-forward:

It is now September 9 and she has been on the campaign trail at a torrid pace. So, a whopping 5 whole days have elapsed and she's avoiding the press??? In the 5 days that have elapsed since the end of the convention she's already booked a couple of interviews and is undoubtedly working on more.

Jeez - give the woman a couple of days to schedule these things!

Where did this 'pig' and 'old fish' materialize from?

Can anyone assist me on this?

"a whopping 5 whole days have elapsed "

No. 11 days and no questions taken.

"She's avoiding the press....."

JEFF, McCain out of the chute told everyone they couldn't talk to the woman. Couldn't-talk-to-her.

They've climbed down from that position only very incrementally, and only because an unbelieving public bitched and bitched about it.

No. 11 days and no questions taken.

Follow the timeline.

Anyhow, I agree that she needs to perform some interviews, real ones, and fast.

Nevertheless, you conveniently ignored my point regarding selective vetting by the media.

JJ -- I just have to say thanks for your post. You have clarified for me a number of thoughts.

Despite how much I feel the USA was manipulated by the neocons and by their facade, Dubya, I do like in a non-political way, Ms. Palin.

And she has proven to be the anti-Hillary, which has to drive a bunch of people nuts.

Who cares if she took on and defeated a corrupt establishment, ousting even Republicans; or even if she cut a noteworthy amount of fat and excess from the Alaskan establishment (Hardly credible!).

1. But you are right -- "She stems from humble origins and his risen to where she is on her ownMs. Clinton would probal." (So did Obama, Hillary and Biden, but it is unusual for a GOP to claim that accomplishment!)

2. She's a working mom who may shatter the current glass ceiling for women -- and she's not one to abort her additional children, but to stay committed to their life -- which says a lot.

3. She's been outwardly supportive of her daughter in regards to her out-of-wed pregnancy. (And for a person who will ensure that the child gets an education and good parenting, that's a real accomplishment!)

So, Ms. Clinton probably wuldn't make the sacrifices that Ms. Palin did. But that still doesn't make Palin superior to the DEMs. Even if she has killed more living things than any other candidate in the past 100 years, could you really trust her to be POTUS???

Why does the Left hate Sarah Palin?

Because she's a sneering liar and a religious nut. Bush with glasses.

Actually, YES -- she has a lot less experience than a community organizer. Obama spent over a decade working with disparate groups of people in one of the roughest and most complex parts of the US getting them to overcome their differences and work for themselves -- while Palin was basically Mayor of South Park.

He was promoting self-sufficiency, while she was doing... what???

I don't understand the American right -- but they do remind me both of the German Left and the Islamist movement: shrill, self-richeous, and scary.

JJ,

You have got to be kidding?

You spout garbage outta your mouth from the beginning about obama never ever even listening to what the man had to say and called him a slanted slight insinuation of Husein to purposely slash his character.

You push all kinds of utter opinionated garbage about lack of experience and now you cow tow to palin with such contradiction of what you said about obama.

It is fun though watching you show your true colors.

Why do people dislike Palin?

Well she reminds America about all the worst things we see in hillary clinton.

Playing on words trying to mislead the people about her and then claiming through word minipulation that she did not lie.

What's the definition of is, is???

We have played this game before and recognize it.

I find it funny that women recognize it so fast, their intuition seems to be on par.

You spout garbage outta your mouth from the beginning about obama never ever even listening to what the man had to say and called him a slanted slight insinuation of Husein to purposely slash his character.

I just defended his 'lipstick on a pig' comment as him NOT calling Sarah Palin a pig, dipshit.

My criticisms of Obama have been pointed and on-target. I suppose you believe he is above criticism? That would typify the partisan hack that you are.

You push all kinds of utter opinionated garbage about lack of experience and now you cow tow to palin with such contradiction of what you said about obama.

Do you even read my posts?

I have been VERY critical of Palin's lack of experience since the day she was announced. I have even gone on to say that overall, Obama has more applicable experience than does Palin.

Do you work at being so wrong? Do you actually read? Anything???

Or are you just a knee-jerk douchebag who reads posts from a script without actually engaging in critical thought?

I am going with the latter.

Seriously, since you fancy yourself as such an open-minded thinker - click my userprofile and read my comments on Palin and when you do, seriously reconsider this stupid-ass post you just rattled off.

Why do people dislike Palin?

The question wasn't a matter of 'dislike', it was a matter of 'seething hatred'.

Well she reminds America about all the worst things we see in hillary clinton.

Playing on words trying to mislead the people about her and then claiming through word minipulation that she did not lie.

She has such a long track record of this, so I can see your point. /sarcasm

I'll give you that she was disingenuous regarding the bridge to nowhere remark.

Do you have other examples?

Look, I am all for a serious vetting of Sarah Palin. Digging into her expense reports is responsible journalism IMO. I just wish the media would exert even a fraction of the effort into vetting Obama as they have done with Palin.

They have, they didn't find anything. It is too bad you can't accept this.

The problem is your own hypocrisy, obama has be looked over and over up and down inside and out and you know it but blame the media because they didn't find anything.

The media never exert a fraction of effort...really.....as per your stupid ass posting a few months back about where he went to 1st grade. Hmmmmm! hypocrisy doesn't fall to far from your tree.

I just defended his 'lipstick on a pig' comment as him NOT calling Sarah Palin a pig, dipshit.

What does that have to do with the comment about you from the beginning posting slanting unwarranted names to slide his character as an American?

And sorry, I don't defend lipstick on a pig, obama clearly meant it metaphorical as palin being the pig.

JJ,

I don't think you even remember how you were with obama when he first hit the scene and all the character slashing and bashing you did.

Use older drudgies know quite well.

Do you have other examples?

You mean you don't know them? You mean you have not done any research about this candidate you are supporting but are now trying to defend her.

How noble!

I don't think you even remember how you were with obama when he first hit the scene and all the character slashing and bashing you did.

I didn't attack his character. Most of my heated criticisms haven't been directed toward Obama, who I acutally find to be likeable, it's been directed toward his ridiculous supporters claiming he's going to heal the world and bring us all together.

Use older drudgies know quite well.

The fact that you so blatantly misrepresent my comments belies either, a fundamental lack of reading comprehension or an alzhiemer's-caliber lack of memory. Or both.

In short, you are full of shit.

I don't suppose you recall which outlet reported on Obama's expense reports?

Now that you have opened the door for direct name callin, it appears I upset you, as you should be so as to realize your closed minded party hacking.

Now, I expect better from you on the above statement. You actually believe they didn't look at his expense reports and such. If that be the case it would be clear by all the prudent political savy here that you are the stupid mother fucker.

The media NEVER called into question Obama's parenting.

Obama doesn't have a platform of family TRADITIONAL values.

Obama doesn't have a kid who is pregnant, in high school.........ooops, something you seems to post on a continued basis about how to fail in success.

I didn't attack his character. Most of my heated criticisms haven't been directed toward Obama, who I acutally find to be likeable, it's been directed toward his ridiculous supporters claiming he's going to heal the world and bring us all together.

I understand what you are saying but one can't help to see the slight of hand in words you are playing on in meaning. Right hesein!

Now that you have opened the door for direct name callin, it appears I upset you, as you should be so as to realize your closed minded party hacking.

Tone down your ego, Tex.

What annoys me is your abject occasional stupidity. You occasionally fall into a trap of falsely assigning a position to others, just so you can tear said position down and feel good about yourself in the process. I usually just blow it off or make a minor token of response to highlight your absurdities. Sometimes though, I find myself in the mood to forcefully challenge your bullshit, which is what I am doing now. You either have an extreme prejudice toward those with whom you disagree, or you really do lack any semblance of reading comprehension. I can't otherwise conceive how you could so blatantly misconstrue my comments.

You actually believe they didn't look at his expense reports and such.

How would I know? Did the media ever report on it?

Obama doesn't have a platform of family TRADITIONAL values.

Oh. I see. So, it is only relevant to call into question one's parenting skills if they exude a stance of traditional family values? THAT is fair game, but as long as a politician says, "fuck family values" then questioning their dedication to their children as well as their ability to effecitvely parent their children is somehow off limits???

Do you even realize how absurd that is?

Obama doesn't have a kid who is pregnant, in high school.........ooops, something you seems to post on a continued basis about how to fail in success.

I don't understand what you are driving at with this. Could you please re-phrase it?

one can't help to see the slight of hand in words you are playing on in meaning. Right hesein!

I only called him Hussein a handful of times - a long time ago. When I realized the degree of anger use of his middle name evoked, I put the kabosh on it.

"I'll give you that she was disingenuous regarding the bridge to nowhere remark.

Do you have other examples?

#83 | Posted by JeffJ"

How about the whole getting rid of the private cook to trim costs issue?

Now jj,

I am not necessarily a obama fan, I don't think he will solve the problems we have in the United States but I know mccain will NOT.

I get the feelin T. Boone Pickens is going to run, and if he does he'll probably get my vote.

I do find it funny that YOU know palin to be slanting truths through word minipulation and pretend they don't exist. Then on top of it you support her and can't seem to see why others don't.

Tell me, what is the unemployment rate in alaska? Tell me, about Alaska's graduation rate? Education is a priority of the party says the platform, how does palin's governorship fit with such?

You see, I used to work up there, payed my way through college working up there and I can tell you see is no miricle worker, but another political politician grabbing money for herself.

Now that you have opened the door for direct name callin

Actually, it was you who opened that door; I just happened to walk through it.

Here is what started this all off:

JJ,

You spout garbage outta your mouth from the beginning about obama never ever even listening to what the man had to say and called him a slanted slight insinuation of Husein to purposely slash his character.

You push all kinds of utter opinionated garbage about lack of experience and now you cow tow to palin with such contradiction of what you said about obama.

It is fun though watching you show your true colors.

#79 | Posted by moneywar

You mean you don't know them? You mean you have not done any research about this candidate you are supporting but are now trying to defend her.

Oh, I am well aware of all of the criticisms regarding Gov. Palin. Attacking her ebay comment is but one example - which is a bullshit criticism, I might add. I was simply curious as to what other statements you took issue with - and I would either agree, or disagree with an explanation.

How about the whole getting rid of the private cook to trim costs issue?

I didn't realize that was a controversial comment. She got rid of the private cook which was undoubtedly not a cheap expense. If she did something else to mitigate that savings, I am open to it and am willing to acknowledge the point.

JJ,

Platform of family TRADITIONAL values and all the hyperfeeling media talking points the republicans spout about our problems in America and those values have a direct flow to her critizism and you know it. Stop being obtuse.

Re-phrase - you spout about some book and those who fail is because they get pregnant, out of wedlock, and still in high school.

I would say palins' kid falls into that area but suddenly that type of family problem should not be touched upon from a major figurehead for our children to see as an example?????

I bet you will tell your daughter such when she gets of the age, look the VP's daughter did it so it must be OK. Oops, your platform calls em lazy ass freeloaders and don't deserve help, I forgot.

"I didn't realize that was a controversial comment. She got rid of the private cook which was undoubtedly not a cheap expense."

She didn't get rid of the cook. She eliminated the JOB TITLE, then transferred the cook to another department in the state gov't. She's still employed as a cook by the State of Alaska.

MW,

I am not necessarily a obama fan, I don't think he will solve the problems we have in the United States

I know this as you have made it abundantly clear through your collective posts. I called you a partisan hack and an Obama fellator as a means of demonstrating how annoying it can be to have a position falsely assigned.

JJ,

For someone who is a conservative you not showing your colors very well. I can assure you I am a conservative and being so expect my representative to carry the fiduciary duty to the utmost.

Does palin practice her fiduciary duty for herself with our money?

JJ,

102 post, I bow to you!!!

JJ,

Good managers, and I know you are one, don't needlessly spend company many because they can and it is within policy. Good manager usely only claim what is prudently theirs, not push claims for self benefit.

Now, I wonder where I am going with this type of expense report.

JJ,

If you made your boss believe you sold it on ebay through word play, I suppose your boss would critique your words and say, I am sorry for getting angry with you by calling you a liar, you didn't steer me, I didn't pay close enough attention. I am sorry.......the boss.

In what reality would this be?

102 post, I bow to you!!!

:-)

MW,

The point of her ebay comment was that she sold the jet because she felt it was excessive.

She did sell the jet and she did put it on ebay. Her comment was in no-way misleading.

Regarding the state of things in Alaska....

It all boils down to her lack of time in office. The effects of her actions haven't even fully materialized yet - for good or bad. This all dovetails back to the concerns I have for her as a candidate; she is unproven in many ways.

Rogue,

She didn't get rid of the cook. She eliminated the JOB TITLE, then transferred the cook to another department in the state gov't. She's still employed as a cook by the State of Alaska.

Which department? Was the transfer value added - by that I mean, did it improve operating efficiencies of the government as a whole?

Can you recommend a source? I'd like to explore this one a bit.

MW,

If you click my userprofile you'll find a userblog I created earlier this week regarding Palin. The blog linked to an article written by Charles Krauthammer.

If you haven't already done so, I recommend reading the article. I think he does an exemplary job in regards to characterizing the Palin pick.

She did sell the jet and she did put it on ebay. Her comment was in no-way misleading.

Bull shit.

She did a direct minipulation as to the facts to make it appear as if it was just that easy and she did the cheap miricle sell.

Tell me, was that a cheap miricle sell, a lose of over a million. With a state of 700 thousand, a million could do alot of things. That's real management business savy, one I would want running my business........right.

JJ,

Palin was a great pick, the party needs to edit her though.

They have lost the chance to make her appear the honest family value working mom they could have made her be.

She did a direct minipulation as to the facts to make it appear as if it was just that easy and she did the cheap miricle sell.

Her ebay comment was a cute way of saying she sold the jet, which she did.

Tell me, was that a cheap miricle sell, a lose of over a million.

As you are likely aware, material assets depreciate over time and usage. To say she lost over a million is simply disingenuous.

Read this:

The main reason someone might pay over book for a Beechcraft King Air 200 is because this plane is still being made. New ones go for $4-4.5 million each. So older models maintain their value better IF they are well maintained.
The Jet that Palin sold has not been manufactured for at least the last 20 years, making them far less valuable than a plane the has parts avaialble just about anywhere you would fly to.

That is the big key to aircraft value, being well maintained and availability of parts and mechanics who can service them.

So when you see that PA sold their King Air 200 for $1.375 million it may sound impressive but WELL MAINTAINED King Airs of that age can go for as much as $1.7 million.

So did they actually sell it for above book value or did they get LESS than it was actually worth? With the accidents that this plane has had, which I listed above, they may have made a real good deal at that price.

The fact that they sold it for more than they bought it for is not at all impressive, since this is a popular model and they didn't buy it new. They may have gotten a great deal when they bought it used since it had three of those accidents before PA bought the plane.

So if PA spent mucho bucks making the plane better, I would expect them to be able to sell it for more than they bought it for.

The Left wing Blogs are using the pure numbers to make Palin look like she was a lousy seller when the opposite is true.

She sold AK's plane for more than it was worth on today's market while PA made their plane more valuable by buying an accident prone plane and spending the needed maintenance bucks to make it worth more than they originally paid for it.

But the Blogs look for dumb headlines instead of researching the facts of the situations.

They make Rendell out to be a shrewd trader when he had nothing to do with how much their plane was purchased for nor anything to do with repairs made on it. He was the beneficiary of the two or three previose Governors (2 Republicans, 1 Dem) who actually made that plane worth more than the state paid for it.

But lets not confuse folks with the facts. It drives them crazy.

Posted by TheShyGuy at 2008-09-09 10:28 PM

They have lost the chance to make her appear the honest family value working mom they could have made her be.

How so?

She could have been honest and up front without misleading slants as to her performance.

People are not looking for a miricle, they are looking for a trace of honesty without deception.

I read the article, and find it somewhat correct. palin has alot of issues she has to perform and rather quickly, her not speaking with the press is killing her for it shows a lack of skill, experience, leadership, and the one thing she is losing she had gained is charisma.

MW

#115 pretty much sums up my feelings about her as well.

MW,

Your #115 pretty much sums up how I feel about Palin.

As for pulling an Obama?

So far, it's working.

I've had an opportunity to listen to Rush and Hannity a bit this week.

Their callers almost always start off with:

"Thank God for Sarah Palin..."

As much as I am dismayed at the ferocity of the derision heaped upon her by the left due to her short track-record, I am almost equally dismayed at the adoration heaped upon her by the right given her short track-record.

Sorry for the double - PC problems today.

**** Why does the Left hate Sarah Palin? ****

.....because she espouses the same values as the Taliban......mixing religion and public policy.....

......she is basically anti-American...........

I am almost equally dismayed at the adoration heaped upon her by the right given her short track-record.

The adoring ones wish she were at the top of the ticket. And they've known her for a week and a half.

because she espouses the same values as the Taliban......mixing religion and public policy

No, because she espouses the christian tra