Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Sen. Joe Biden's son Hunter is a top partner at a Washington law firm that has lobbied his father's office, a family tie that could prove embarrassing for a campaign that has positioned itself as fighting lobbyists and special interests in Washington.

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If we're going to start talking about the children of VP picks, let's talk about Biden's. If it is hypocritical for a pro-abstinence parent to have a pregnant child, then it's also hypocritical for an anti-lobbyist candidate to have a lobbyist son.

MSNBC will be all over this...

I'm sure the drudge lefties will be all over it as well. I'm sure this "calls into question" Biden's "judgment" as a parent. I'm sure this "proves," somehow, that being anti-lobbyist doesn't work, since it didn't work on Biden's own son.

see that wasnt so hard

www.politicalbase.com

Ive heard a lot of Senator McCain cleaning-up-- his campaign staff, but where it going to end? Another article came out today in the CBS News, 24 May 08, entitled: In McCain Camp, Lobbying A Family Affair, where we find the following:
Judy Black, wife of famed lobbyist and McCain senior advisor Charlie Black and national co-chair of the fundraising group "Women for McCain," has a vibrant lobbying practice, reports The Washington Post.

voices.washingtonpost.com


McCain, Georgia and Lobbying
John McCain's strong anti-Russia comments on the Georgia situation and the fact that his top foreign policy adviser is part owner of a lobbying firm that provides strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington have produced a surge of anti-McCain comments.

www.propeller.com

You can't make this stuff up: More than 60 present and former telecom lobbyists work for McCain's campaign as staffers and volunteers, some in high-echelon posts while on leave from their firms. McCain's views on telecom issues have come into question before, including his opposition to net neutrality, and his possible favors done for Vicki Iseman.

Joe, this is old news. Do you really think the Media is going to touch it? Hell, he's only making $1.2m/year.

www.campaignmoney.org


Public Campaign Action Fund's Campaign Money Watch project debuted a new website today. McCain's Lobbyists analyzes data from the Center for Responsive Politics to show the vast amount of money lobbyists and their clients have poured into McCain's campaign, and how donations from the clients of lobbyists tied to the McCain campaign have influenced policy. Click on a lobbyist to see how money goes both ways.


The site is starting to get attention, and there are still stories coming out referencing Campaign Money Watch's investigation of the money the oil industry has given McCain, and how many of those donations coincided with McCain's announcement of support for offshore oil drilling. See stories from the New York Times and the Washington Post that focus on the money from the Hess Corporation that flooded McCain's campaign -- that's the story Talking Points Memo focused on yesterday.

your concern is that Joe Biden's son is a lobbyist.

WOW!

now why dont you try coming up with some proof other than insinuation that something untorward has occurred

voices.washingtonpost.com


ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part by serving as a director of an independent political group organized by the now embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens.

Palin's name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.

now why dont you try coming up with some proof other than insinuation that something untorward has occurred

#10 | Posted by truthhurts

Would the ssame proof surfice that you whack jobs provide when implying Trig was Bristol's child?

Well, he IS being sued for some activities (I believe) as a hedge fund manager. No criminal charges, and nothing related to the lobbying job, as far as I know.

He's 38 years old so a bit beyond parenting. But it does open you up to more scrutiny if you want to rail against lobbyists but have one in the family.

So I post the thread, and immediately all I get is deflections to McCain. The drudge lefties had no problem staying on topic when the subject was Palin. Biden should get the same treatment.

Fact is, I don't need to insinuate that anything untoward is going on between Biden and his son. Obama and Biden are running on a platform of anti-lobbyism, and yet Biden's son himself is a lobbyist. That is no different than Palin's abstinence stance clashing with her pregnant daughter. If that makes Palin a hypocrite, this makes Biden a hypocrite, period.

RCade, I realize that with 9 Palin threads on the front page, there might not be room for this story. I forgive you in advance for not putting it up front where people can see it.

Stop whining.

not deflecting, putting the lobbying issue in perspective, feel free to post stories about Obama/Biden's familial hypocrisy.

doc righties are whiny bitches

"So I post the thread, and immediately all I get is deflections to McCain". - Joe

That, Joe, might just be because your thread is a feeble attempt at a deflection FROM McCain/Palin.

Are you naive or what?

Joe, this is old news. Do you really think the Media is going to touch it? Hell, he's only making $1.2m/year.

Yes, and so according to John McCain, that makes him a middle-class lobbyist. :-)

"your thread is a feeble attempt at a deflection"

The same can be said for every Palin thread - just a deflection from Obama's lack of experience and Biden's lobbyist son. You can play chicken or the egg all day, or you can address the issue of Biden having a millionaire lobbyist son. Your choice.

"not deflecting, putting the lobbying issue in perspective,"

So in a thread about Biden's rich lobbyist son, you post 5 links about McCain - but you're not deflecting, you're just "putting the issue in perspective." That could be said about any deflection, doesn't change the fact that it's a deflection.

Although firm members say Biden, 38, does not lobby his father, this kind of family tie, said Ellen Miller, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, "raises the potential of a conflict of interest."

nope your article is insinuation, I posted articles show mccain whose whole thing is about getting rid of lobbyist is a hypocrite

"your article is insinuation"

Can you read? I already said - I don't need to insinuate that anything untoward is going on between Biden and his son. Obama and Biden are running on a platform of anti-lobbyism, and yet Biden's son himself is a lobbyist. That is no different than Palin's abstinence stance clashing with her pregnant daughter. If that makes Palin a hypocrite, this makes Biden a hypocrite, period.

Truthhurts, ever think about changing your logon to DoubleStandard?

Since 2003, Hunter Biden has been registered to lobby for an array of small universities, hospitals, and drug research companies seeking earmarks and other appropriations. Those clients have paid his firm a total of $3.8 million, jumping from $20,000 in 2003 to $1.6 million in 2007, according to lobbying disclosure records.

This year Hunter Biden has lobbied for drug research companies Achaogen and Pulmatrix, Sharp & Barnes on internet gambling, and six universities, Regis University, St. Joseph's University, St. Xavier University, University of Detroit Mercy, Xavier University, and University of Scranton which is located in his father's hometown.

Not all earmarks are bad. Not all earmarks are bridges to nowhere. I don't know about internet gambling, but money to Catholic universities might not be a bad thing.

One example was the University of Delaware, which Oldaker approached in 2002, shortly after founding the firm with Hunter Biden and Robert Belair. Since then, the university has paid Oldaker's firm $1.5 million.


The payoff: as of 2006, $24.8 million in earmarks for defense research, a student-exchange program, and a drug-and-alcohol-studies program.

Again, these don't strike me as bridges to nowhere. Maybe some will question a student-exchange program but defense research and a substance abuse program seem solid unless there is something dubious about these things the article doesn't mention.


"Again, these don't strike me as bridges to nowhere."

Who said any of his projects were?

I see Joe is now our resident deflection police. Well I guess the position of headline police was taken.

Do you dispute my assessment of whether or not posting 5 links about McCain in a thread about Biden's son was a deflection? If so, give reasons instead of just acting like a prick.

Joe, I do see that you are failing in your deflection police duties... you only whine about deflections from the left.

If you are gonna take up a position of authority at least hand out your "justice" in a bi-partisan way.

Joe,

I would suggest that if deflections on a thread are gonna get your panties in a wad that you avoid posting here.

It ain't gonna change anytime soon.

Of course you just want to point out the hypocrisy on the part of the Dems and ignore the blatant hypocrisy from your own party. If you don't want to live honestly that is your choice, but turn off the waterworks.

As usual, you do anything but talk about the topic in front of you. I don't have time for your bullshit today. I never took any position of authority - I posted a thread and commented on the links posted within it. Don't like it? Don't read it.

"hypocrisy from your own party"

Give examples of libertarian party hypocrisy.

I've commented at length in the Sarah Palin threads, so I haven't ignored anything. Get your facts straight before you wander into a thread and start talking out of your ass.

I'm sure the drudge lefties will be all over it as well. I'm sure this "calls into question" Biden's "judgment" as a parent--

YEAH!

Why --- is he underage and violating some child work law?

Anyway, at last check Lobbying was Legal, an 18 year old having sex with a 16/17 year old however is called Statutory Rape in some states, pedophilia in others And dare I mention, is a Crime!

Is it a crime in Alaska? Has the boyfriend been named in any prosecution? Biden's son is named in fraud lawsuits. Does that matter to you?

Bidens daughter has some issues as well.

articles.latimes.com

Tsk tsk.

Well, since Palin's daughter's pregnancy means that Palin is a bad parent, and abstinence is futile and should not be taught, Biden's daughter's criminal conduct is proof that Biden is a bad parent, and that teaching law and order doesn't work and should likewise be abandoned.

Right, DR Left?


Bidens daughter has some issues as well.


articles.latimes.com


Tsk tsk.

#37 | Posted by 101Chairborne

If Obama get's her off the hook in Chicago, it will mark the first time he's accomplished something in Illinois.

She can stay in my holding cell.

-Tony Rezko

oh you mean how she was acquitted of the charges?
by a judge

thanks for playing

CAN YOU SAY ACQUITTED?


CAN YOU SAY ACQUITTED?

#42 | Posted by truthhurts

No, but I can say RAISED POORLY.

how so cause the police overreached their authority?

She was acquitted in exchange for apologizing to the police.

She was also arrested for marijuana possession at Tulane.
http://www.opcso.org/dcktmstr/
dmdspmag.php?&domagn=359903

They're all corrupt and fucked up. Is it really a surprise? If I had all the options they have, I'd see how far I could push the envelope. I think most of us would. Well, most of the men, anyway. Most women don't have the testicular fortitude.

RCade, I realize that with 9 Palin threads on the front page, there might not be room for this story. I forgive you in advance for not putting it up front where people can see it.

#15 | Posted by JOE

The new retort policy is that children are off limits...

LMAO... just kidding, Rcade is just a hypocrite.

I saw spirited debate in the Palin threads on whether what her daughter did was wrong, whether it should reflect poorly upon Sarah herself, whether it makes her a hypocrite, etc. Apparently the left is not willing to engage in a similar debate when it comes to Biden's children. All I saw in this thread were deflections and attacks, and it has since quieted down. Can't say I expected anything more.

Apparently the left is not willing to engage in a similar debate when it comes to Biden's children.

You should have put the left in quotation marks. There are only a few posters here truly on the left.

"walked past the wig store... danced at the Fillmore...."

Biden's kid will comwe out of this unscathed, as he has his poppa, Asthmatic Five Deferment Joe's ability to weasel out of taking responsibility.

I'll take the silence from lefties in this thread to be an admission that they shot themselves in the foot when they made such a big deal out of Palin's kids.

Well seeing as though nobody wants to play, I'll take an off topic rant:

How is it that none of the mysogonystic shit posted by the lefties hasn't been dumped? Had anyone taken the same road in regards to the numinous negro it would be dumped.
Also, considering everything that has been getting dumped, what did Alex do to Rcade to get him to simply delete this:

Palin's Small Town Got Big Earmarks

Oh, Fj...just about everyone on this thread has fucked you in the ass already.


I'm really not interested in sloppy 15th's.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-09-02 08:56 PM

Shit 101. I noticed you got a delete for 23 Skeedoo.

I don't think a question about non-dumps is going to draw RCade into this thread. He's clearly been avoiding it even though he posted in all the Palin threads.

I don't think a question about non-dumps is going to draw RCade into this thread. He's clearly been avoiding it even though he posted in all the Palin threads.

#54 | Posted by JOE

This one has worked for me before:

Its because RCade doesn't have the balls to post bad threads about Obama's ticket this close to the election.

What's the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken...

How is it that none of the mysogonystic shit posted by the lefties hasn't been dumped?

On the enquirer thread Usatrueandblue7 calls Palin "White trash." I thought racist comments weren't allowed here anymore?

He'll be by. He has to dump my "numinous negro" mention. Calling Palin a whore and a bitch is acceptable. Calling her teenage daughter a slut is also acceptable. Saying "negro" is not acceptable.

Saying "negro" is not acceptable.


#57 | Posted by 101Chairborne

What about colored?

Smoke?

Is Bidens' daughter a fat bleached blonde? That may explain why Obama picked him to be the VP even though he's slowed by multiple brain aneurysms.

Why do they call Biden "Walnuts"?

Where's RCade? Is this story considered "old news" or is it just not about the right people?

"Where's RCade? Is this story considered "old news" or is it just not about the right people?"

Do you ever stop whining about Rcade's management of this site? You and Rob cry enough tears to replenish the water supply of Mooseville, Alaska.

Post any example outside this thread where I have ever whined about RCade's management of the site. I will take a two week hiatus if you can find one.

Posted by JOE at 2008-09-04 03:54 PM

Still waiting, Null Set. Either post an example or admit you were talking out of your ass.


Where's RCade? Is this story considered "old news" or is it just not about the right people?

#61 | Posted by JOE

It's getting plenty of play on Conservative talk radio. And I certainly hope Sarah can fit it into the conversation at their debate.

"Still waiting, Null Set. "

Waaaaaaaah!


Posted by JOE at 2008-09-04 03:54 PM

#64 | Posted by nullifidian

That's what I've always like about you... fresh material.

That's what I've always like about you... fresh material.

#68 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I think he was quoting Obama.


Is Bidens' daughter a fat bleached blonde? That may explain why Obama picked him to be the VP even though he's slowed by multiple brain aneurysms.


Why do they call Biden "Walnuts"?

#60 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-04 02:10 PM


y'all just keep grasping.

What about colored?

#58 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-04 02:02 PM


what about raghead? what about jewboy? what about spic?

ya seem like quite a racist asshole. rob.

Its because RCade doesn't have the balls to post bad threads about Obama's ticket this close to the election.

Yeah -- that Biden five deferments story I posted to the front page really helped Obama.

Obama and Biden are running on a platform of anti-lobbyism, and yet Biden's son himself is a lobbyist.

McCain rails against lobbyists too and his campaign is rotten with them. I have trouble getting excited about either side railing against "special interests" or lobbyists, because it's mostly BS. Both Democrats and Republicans have an open-door policy to powerful groups that line their campaign coffers. Whether you call these people lobbyists, special interests or you invent some other name, the result is the same.

Here, the fact that Hunter Biden is a lobbyist is mildly interesting, but ABC didn't catch him doing anything inappropriate, and it doesn't really have much bad to say about his firm either.

Biden has refused to meet with lobbyists his entire career.

RCADE is correct,

All the politicians have and accept the lobbyists.

Biden isn't any different from Obama, McCain, Palin they just try to mask it differently in all their words.

The problem with the whole political gaming is the majority of the people like the lobbyist and think it is just part of the political process.

Will the Liberal media give this lobbyist a pass to cover up Biden?

"The problem with the whole political gaming is the majority of the people like the lobbyist and think it is just part of the political process."

Majority of the people???
I think more like the majority of the politicians.


It's getting plenty of play on Conservative talk radio. And I certainly hope Sarah can fit it into the conversation at their debate.

#66 | Posted by wisgod

What a moron. I thought you guys OBJECTED to attacks on families? You are a sad little hypocrite. lol

I hope she brings it up, too, to show that she really is a vindictive, vengeful person, as those who know her are saying.

ALSO: DIRTY HARRY and STRETCH POLOSI have sons working as lobbyist.

When asked about whether his son lobbied him, Joe Biden lied and denied it. Hunter will be up on charges soon in some kind of lobbying scandal. Obama will appear embarassed, but this would be normal politics in his South side Chicago neck of the woods. The "brown necks" are upset.

Fwthom news service.

"What a moron, (liberal). I thought you guys OBJECTED to attachs on families". You have the nerve to bring this up after the SLIME SUCKING LIBERAL PRESS has attacked Palin's family? Now I know why they call you ASSHOLES!

Oozie, calm down son. You'll strain something.

Posted by ozzieoswald at 2008-09-05 09:12 AM |


Go eat a prune.

There was a great clip from the Daily Show, where he's got before/after videos of Rove, O'Reilly, Dick Morris, conservatives on conservative shows. The "female card" was fair play when Hillary was running, but not any more. Family was fair game with Jamie Lynn Spears, but not with Palin. Using their words from a few months ago against their words of last week. Hack-job hypocrites, nothing they say can be taken seriously.

Don't bring up contalk radio, those guys are pathetic, even worse than the idiot pundits posing as legitimate voices on TV. Cons pandering to the out-of-touch reich-wing.



"What a moron, (liberal). I thought you guys OBJECTED to attachs on families". You have the nerve to bring this up after the SLIME SUCKING LIBERAL PRESS has attacked Palin's family? Now I know why they call you ASSHOLES!

#81 | Posted by ozzieoswald

I am not amember of the press, and I agree with Obama that families should be off-limits. YOU guys were the ones screming, and now YOU GUYS are the ones doing this thing with Biden's son. THat makes you pathetic little whining hypocrites, or should I sya PROVES you ONCE AGAIN to be talking-point tools of the right.

If you held the PRICNCIPLE behind the words, you wouldn't be able to use the media deflection to justify doing something you claimed to be against.

Or is that too complicated for you?


"What a moron, (liberal). I thought you guys OBJECTED to attachs on families". You have the nerve to bring this up after the SLIME SUCKING LIBERAL PRESS has attacked Palin's family? Now I know why they call you ASSHOLES!

#81 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2008-09-05 09:12 AM | Reply


Is this Celisary's alter-ego? I wonder whether Ozzie is the medicated Celisary or if Ozzie is the non-medicated Celisary?

Anyone care to offer an explanation?

I love the way liberals defend Biden's actions by attempting to re-direct the conversation. Politics as usual.
"Change you can believe in..."
Nice bumper sticker, but that's about it!

When asked about whether his son lobbied him, Joe Biden lied and denied it.

That allegation is not in the ABC News story.

RCADE,

Why do you put up with the blatant lying crap?

At least grab some kind of control of validity or otherwise this is nothing but a hack site.

Free speech is worthy but even in normal society one has consequences for these kind of torts.

"McCain rails against lobbyists too and his campaign is rotten with them."

Not surprising that is the very first sentence of your post. Is it not slightly more interesting that Biden's own son is a lobbyist, given the interest in Palin's children?

"Biden has refused to meet with lobbyists his entire career."

Correct - his staff meets with the lobbyists. Big difference.

Why do you put up with the blatant lying crap?

What are you referring to? Policing the comments for falsehoods is above my pay grade.

While the national media is busy creating scandal out of the fact that Sarah Palin went to numerous non-Ivy League schools (yes, seriously), the Delaware News Journal has a devastating and disturbing piece on how Joe Biden has repeatedly slandered the man involved in the car crash that killed Bidens first wife and daughter.

In several public statements over the years, Biden has insinuated that the man who caused the 1972 crash was drunk. The man cannot defend himself. He passed away in 1999. His family grieves.

But hey, who cares about Bidens lies? Time to slander Gov. Palin and her family some more!

Heres the intro of the N-J piece, but make sure to read to the end. And check out the comments from people who know Joe Biden best:


Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Bidens 2007 statement that a guy who allegedly drank his lunch-- and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction.
Alcohol didnt play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audience at the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver stopped to drink instead of drive.--

The senators statements dont jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing.


biden, what a piece of shit. Anything for another vote.


RCADE,

Why do you put up with the blatant lying crap?

At least grab some kind of control of validity or otherwise this is nothing but a hack site.

Free speech is worthy but even in normal society one has consequences for these kind of torts.

#89 | Posted by moneywar at 2008-09-05 09:51 AM |

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You do not like what others are writing, so you go runing home to mommy?

GROW UP CHILD.


Why do you put up with the blatant lying crap?


What are you referring to? Policing the comments for falsehoods is above my pay grade.

#92 | Posted by rcade at 2008-09-05 10:37 AM |

If RCADE did this then most of the lib bloggers here would be kicked off.

money,

Could you please be a little more specific?

"biden, what a piece of shit. Anything for another vote."
"...which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing."

so how was Biden's family killed if this innocent guy did no wrong, if it was your family that died what would you say about this driver, that you love him? Come on tell us!

so how was Biden's family killed if this innocent guy did no wrong, if it was your family that died what would you say about this driver, that you love him? Come on tell us!

#97 | Posted by onna at 2008-09-05 01:29 PM | Reply


Well I imagine I'd do what any self respecting person would do and completely lie and say the guy was drunk just to make the story more sympathetic?

Why, what would you do? You wouldn't tell the truth would you? Who in the fuck would do that...

I probably wouldn't lie. I'd think it'd be enough to say that my family was in a horrible car accident and that they died.

Of course, I'm not Joe Biden, a scumbag who pushes for credit reform laws on behalf of his lobbyist son.

There is a difference between "wrongdoing" and an accident.

IDIOTS

According to onna, every car accident is a criminal act?


your concern is that Joe Biden's son is a lobbyist.


WOW!


now why dont you try coming up with some proof other than insinuation that something untorward has occurred

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2008-09-04 10:02 AM
*****

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

In the lawsuit, Lotito said that soon after creating LLB, the Bidens crafted a "secret deal" to create their own company that was designed to buy out his shares in Paradigm for a low rate, to which he agreed. He said he knew nothing of the secret deal until later and now believes he was defrauded out of millions of dollars and his share in the company.

There now was that so hard.

www.washingtonpost.com

Interesting article.

"Biden has refused to meet with lobbyists his entire career."

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

According to the article the lobbyists from his son's firm don't meet with Biden but meet with his staff instead.

Most lobbyists meet with a Senator's staff rather than the ssnator thenselves.

"Biden's Son Works as Lobbyist"

OK, who let the cat out of the bag?

Bidens wife was found to have been drinking but biden had it covered up. SHades of kennedy, GO FUCKING FIGURE. She murdered her own children.

I wonder how long it will take for you lib homos to get me exiled.

The truth hurts and will never be silenced...

Cabo-
Let's see. You just accused Biden's wife of being an alcoholic and of murdering her children. I don't suppose you can support that, can you?

Cabo-
re: "The truth hurts and will never be silenced..."

#107 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2008-09-05 07:33 PM | Reply |

So, give me some evidence that "the truth": That Biden's wife is an alcoholic and "murdered her own children".

Start with the "murdered her own children" part.


Cabo-
Let's see. You just accused Biden's wife of being an alcoholic and of murdering her children. I don't suppose you can support that, can you?

I don't have to, I am a registered dem. I really am.

We dms do not need any proof to slander. We dems do it dozens of times a day.

Let's see here. This post is all about the son of Joe Biden, vice presidential pick, being a lobbiest in Washington and all of a sudden it turns to McCain and Palin. The left ALWAYS has this way of turning things away from them and pointing the finger toward the opponent.

This is all about Biden being the fundamental asshole he is folks, not anything to do with McCain or Palin. So, let's get back on the target subject here or are we all going to be like MSNBC and all the other left wing assholes who have already picked the next president and vice president??????

Biden is an ass hole, he is two faces to be talking about Palin in one breath and not kicking his son's ass on the other hand and just plain being a simple son of a bitch who is an ass hole.

be well

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