Well feel good public announcements are much more important to prove a symbolic patriotism than actual operation security.

Any surprise from the party that outed a CIA operative in retribution for a political vendetta?

"Well feel good public announcements are much more important to prove a symbolic patriotism than actual operation security."

I don't believe the war in Iraq serves any national purpose but what exactly is "symbolic" about being deployed in Iraq or having a son go to Iraq?

That is about as far from "symbolic" as one can get. I might be perplexed as to why any American would support our being in Iraq when it does nothing but harm the US but I can't say that the Palins' aren't standing behind their beliefs in this instance.

Isn't that what the radical left wants?

Hell no. He won't go.

Send Caribou Barbie instead.

Isn't that what the radical left wants?

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-09-04 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

No. If you'd been paying attention at all, you'd have noticed that some of us have been speaking out, marching and protesting this war and the American deaths that it's precipitated since the beginning. I don't want to see her son or anyone elses son killed or wounded in Iraq.

"Isn't that what the radical left wants?"

When all else fails just attack the patriotism of the opposition. Pathetic.

BTW, why do soldiers give more money to Obama than McCain???

"Isn't that what the radical left wants?"

If you must live under the assumption that anyone "wants" US soldiers to be killed in Iraq, you'd have to assume its the people who want to keep them their indefinitely.

Because soldiers that have returned home or deployed elsewhere can't be killed in Iraq, you see.......

rea, I'm glad to know you think of yourself as the RADICAL left.

I guess you all think that if we just all hold hands around the camp fire there will be peace in the world. Nice thought.

Puts son in jeopardy... you people are so weak it's not even amusing anymore.

Isn't that what the radical left wants?

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-09-04 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

No.

Notice he said, "Radical Left," and yes I would agree with Sniper. This is what the radical left wants.

Did you notice the big "IF" in the following:

"If the McCain-Palin campaign has disclosed details about Track's company's movements to gain stories in the press about it, they will have put many American lives in danger

Who the hell is making up all these non-stories?

YEAH!

Dont exploit the situation with her underage, booze swillin' unwed daughter ----- exploit/look at her Son who is leaving for Iraq on 9-11 instead!

And did we mention she has a Buoy Head Baby?

Sincerely

The Leave Mccain/Palin Alone-- But Elect Him Hysterics Committee

"Notice he said, "Radical Left," and yes I would agree with Sniper."

Oh gee, lunatic Rob agrees with Sniper, that's a real surprise.

"I guess you all think that if we just all hold hands around the camp fire there will be peace in the world."

That is a very naive belief system. "If you just explain to the bad guys why what they're doing is wrong, they will change...."

That's why it struck me as very strange when the neocons started selling their own version of the same pie-in-sky fairy tale: "If you just show the Middle East democracy, they will stop hating us and turn into Jr. Americans....."

Puts son in jeopardy... you people are so weak it's not even amusing anymore.

#10 | Posted by dap244

How many sons do you have serving in this illegal war? Non, I'll bet. It is easy to sit on the sidelines and make fake crocodile tears for someone elses son and call them a hero, becasue words are easy and empty for the repubs.

when your son is over there serving, let's see what you have to say then.

Until then, fuck you and fuck bush/cheney and the criminals that they are.

YEAH!

Did anyone else notice this guys discomfort when the RNC shamelessly used him as a prop last night?

You could see it in his face as well as his sisters!

I would wager that these kids, after no doubt suffering for years under a dictatorship palin refers to as a family-- are political polar opposites of their mother!

And does anyone out there NOT believe that the eldest daughter and the eldest son was and is the ones charged with caring for the other children as their mother gallivants around threatening and intimidating those unfortunate souls who find themselves subject to her oppressive rule!

Oh gee, lunatic Rob agrees with Sniper, that's a real surprise.

#14 | Posted by danni

Yeah there is nobody to the extreme left that didn't want the violence in Iraq to continue so that George Bush and the Republicans would look worse and worse... nah... that's not possible at all...

That's why everyone is in agreement the surge worked and not one Dem has his head shoved deep in the sand.

"That's why everyone is in agreement the surge worked"

If it worked why are we still over there?

Yeah there is nobody to the extreme left that didn't want the violence in Iraq to continue so that George Bush and the Republicans would look worse and worse

YEAH!

Except the likelihood of this is in parity with those on the extreme right who want another attack on America so that is makes Bush and The Republicans still Relevant!

So whats your point?

Didn't you hear Thompson and Julianna and Mitt and Palin and everybody else tell you, 'We are winning'.

We are winning. We just have to clean up the loose ends. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!

Sniper,

Radical left? Depends on your definition but I'd guess that I'm pretty far to the left. This is a topic that I'm pretty well able to speak to. I'm a thrice wounded vet that's seen the first hand effects of bad policy decision, bad command decisions and poor planning. I've been against this war since the beginning and that won't change. One of my main points is that Repubs brought us this mess and they need to man up and own it rather than deflect it onto the left.

"We are winning"

What have we won?

If it worked why are we still over there?

#19 | Posted by Sully

This is going to be futile because people who are dead set against anything Iraq don't listen, but what the hell... here goes.

The surge was supposed to help bring stability back to the country and clamp down on the violence. It worked. We recently turned over Anbar, and Patreous even recently said we may be able to hand over Baghdad.

Really the last remaining piece of the puzzle is the ISF has to take over control of the country without relying heavily on us. They are almost there and getting better by the day. They are on track to have 600,000 members by 2010.

Without question the surge worked to stop the violence, but if we just bail before the ISF is really ready then it will all fall apart.

"We are winning"

What have we won?

#23 | Posted by Sully

An ally in the middle east. Hussein's Iraq is gone and a Democratic Iraq lead by its people has taken his place.

APTNM... 137 days left... (apropos to not much)

"a Democratic Iraq lead by its people has taken his place."

What flavor is the koolaide this morning?

What flavor is the koolaide this morning?

#27 | Posted by Danforth

Here we're drinking those Propel powders you put in water bottles...

but the flavor at your desk I'm guessing is Original.

would wager that these kids, after no doubt suffering for years under a dictatorship palin refers to as a family-- are political polar opposites of their mother!

#17 | Posted by Redneckville at 2008-09-04 10:38 AM

If I thought you may actually have any money would love to bet you on this.

"An ally in the middle east."

First of all, Iraqis don't us so there is no reason to believe they will every be an ally. And their government is pretty weak so even if they were, what can they do for us? The 4,000+ men we lost over there are more useful than the entire Iraqi army. And lastly, just how useful are Arab allies like the Saudis anyway?

"Hussein's Iraq is gone and a Democratic Iraq lead by its people has taken his place."

Its a nice narrative if you're into touchy-feely democracy stories, but this doesn't affect Americans at all.

Seems like for 4,000 lives and hundreds of billions of dollars we should have gotten more than a paper ally and nice story, no?

I know that we are safe ground here when you libs start picking up olbermans bullshit. that means you are watching msnbc and not being a part of the real world.
I have to believe that this information was cleared to be used in the speech

and if olberman is right.......a real stretch on anything......and leftists assholes who are saying that it was just another speech from a bush speechwriter.........then it doesnt make any difference
and it also speaks volumnes how SCARED TO DEATH people like olberman is about this reaganesque performance.

What flavor is the koolaide this morning?

#27 | Posted by Danforth

NO FLAVOR AT ALL.....I finnaly found an old fart drink that has no taste and helps with fiber and old fart shit like that

THAT IS what you were talking about, isnt it?

Guess the GOP will stoop to anything to get elected.

so john.........how is it being such a sexists?

I guess that none of these kids are going to college?

again i ask do any of you really believe if we pull out of iraq radical islam will leave us alone----clinton was very careful(some say passive some use another p) and we were fairly consistently attacked durin his admin---radical islams agenda is mot determined by our actions ---their goal is not peaceful co-existence--it is to convert or dominate the rest of us
jasman

Let me cynically hazard a guess that the son of the GOP's heiress-apparent will spend his military duty in something short of harm's way. herm

Let me cynically hazard a guess that the son of the GOP's heiress-apparent will spend his military duty in something short of harm's way. herm

#37 | Posted by herm at 2008-09-04 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Just like bidens son I would bet.

Let me cynically hazard a guess that the son of the GOP's heiress-apparent will spend his military duty

The key word is military duty. Something the entire democratic frontrunners couldn't say. Obama, Edwards, Clinton... I would like to include Biden except for the fact he got less votes for President from his own party than Palin's Mayor run.

"again i ask do any of you really believe if we pull out of iraq radical islam will leave us alone"

No.

But the war in Iraq serves no real national purpose yet it has cost us more lives and treasury than 9/11.

I want us out of Iraq because it hurts the US worse than the terrorists ever could. And I think that anyone who wants us to stay there just to make certain politicians look slightly less foolish is a traitor.

"I would like to include Biden except for the fact he got less votes for President from his own party than Palin's Mayor run." Posted by Crispee OC

Or not...

"Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries."

"Send Caribou Barbie instead."

This is real intelligent talk. As long as liberalism only attracts people like this, there's still a chance for society to survive.

It's comforting to see so many people lashing out at Palin. There's no better indicator she's a serious threat to the socialists' take-over plans.

Keep it coming boys. You're not hurting anyone talking like children. It's cheap entertainment.

If this is true and this is where Track is going--

They need to change the destination--for the whole outfit too I guess.

She has spoken several times and never even mentioned what Infantry Division he was assigned to.

They can probably figure out where Biden's son is going to ?

And on the votes thing--I think it was meant to be a joke. But if you total the votes from her Gov race and Biden--she has more votes.

How did I know San would pull out the exact numbers and ignore the sarcasm. Maybe you can sue Rudy fro not being accurate. Let's pull a dem like defense and say he meant percentage of voters in the Alaskan city compared to the 23 states, divided by the number of voters, subtracting the felons who slipped through the system, adding the number of dis-enfranchised voters times the number of....

"#44 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-09-04 12:48 PM"

Quick, someone drop what you're doing and get a calculator.

"I would like to include Biden except for the fact he got less votes for President from his own party than Palin's Mayor run." Posted by Crispee OC

Or not...

"Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries."

Semantical 'gotcha' posts are so beneath you, Rogue.

I believe he intended his remark to mean that she got a higher percentage of the vote.

Regardless, while your respons was 'technically' accurate it was a bit lame in comparison with most of your other posts on any subject.

I am curious how many CMH winners the dems saluted at their convention. How many times they thanked the military. As usual the differences in conventions comes down to those who appreciate and those who can't appreciate what they have as an American. Maybe this will resonate to those still on the fence.

If it worked why are we still over there?

#19 | Posted by Sully

If we won WWII why are we still in Germany and Japan?

Quick, someone drop what you're doing and get a calculator.

#45 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-09-04 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag

Just as long as you don't borrow one from Vermin.

"How many times they thanked the military. As usual the differences in conventions comes down to those who appreciate and those who can't appreciate what they have as an American."

There were several times throughout the convention when the troops were thanked and acknowledged for their bravery, expertise, and sacrifice. There were also a number of highly decorated retired generals and admirals who spoke there.

As usual the differences in conventions comes down to those who appreciate and those who can't appreciate what they have as an American.

Actually, the difference is between people who actually watched the Democratic convention and people who didn't. There were numerous tributes to the troops, both in speeches and in a video produced for the event that was directed by Steven Spielberg and narrated by Tom Hanks.

People, People,

You don't seem to understand anything.

There is one set of rules for Republicans....

and another entirely different set for Democrats.

"If we won WWII why are we still in Germany and Japan?"

I don't know why we need to have troops in either of those places.

But its more than a bit dishonest of you to pretend that being stationed in Japan or Germany is the same as being stationed in Iraq. We don't have National Guard in those countries. The troops there aren't receiving combat pay. The troops in those countries are responsible for patrolling the streets. Its really apples and oranges.

So to rephrase my question in such a way as to avoid intellectual dishonesty: If the surge "worked", then why is security still a big enough concern in Iraq that Americans still have to patrol the streets?

Actually, the difference is between people who actually watched the Democratic convention and people who didn't.

Well I admit I didn't watch much of the dems and some of the repubs. From what I saw the dems continued to pound how bad things are and the repubs continued to pound what is good. Take your pick.

Isn't that what the radical left wants?

#3 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Do you really think the left wants her to get the sympathy vote if he were to die?

No we want him home and we want her to go home.

"How many times they thanked the military."

The GOP spends more time thanking the military than they do planning the actual wars they send the military to fight. You'd have to be pretty stupid to think they care about people they send to fight wars without a plan.

So to rephrase my question in such a way as to avoid intellectual dishonesty: If the surge "worked", then why is security still a big enough concern in Iraq that Americans still have to patrol the streets?

#53 | Posted by Sully at 2008-09-04 01:40 PM |

Surprisingly I don't think there was ever a thread linking the handover of Anbar Province to the Iraqi's. I know it was reported well below the radar. I guess the media didn't want to upset the dems convention.

Just as long as you don't borrow one from Vermin.

#49 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2008-09-04 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Allright, I keep hearing reference to that racist asshat's calculator. Somehow I missed the joke; can someone explain it to me?

"Surprisingly I don't think there was ever a thread linking the handover of Anbar Province to the Iraqi's. I know it was reported well below the radar. I guess the media didn't want to upset the dems convention."

No, there was and I'm aware of it. Was the goal of the surge to make one province relatively safe?

"Somehow I missed the joke"

Among other things.

The GOP spends more time thanking the military than they do planning the actual wars they send the military to fight. You'd have to be pretty stupid to think they care about people they send to fight wars without a plan.

Remind everyone how declaring defeat from day one honors the military or those who died? Accusing troops of rape and murder? Before any trial? The dems have tried as hard as the insurgents to make America look bad.

"Somehow I missed the joke"

Among other things.

#60 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-09-04 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was a productive response.

You really like seeing your name on the shiny screen, huh?

No, there was and I'm aware of it. Was the goal of the surge to make one province relatively safe?

How about 11 of 18 moron. I guess you would rather have it in the hands of the foreign fighters.

"That was a productive response."

Yeah.
I got a laugh out of it.

Senator McCain and Governor Palin need to immediately find out if someone in the campaign violated OPSEC by giving a reporter these details, and if they did, the campaign needs to find out where the source got this information from. Whoever that is, is in it deep.

Seems like something the future Cic and his VP would be interested in discovering.

Sohe like you come here for anything but attention. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted wedding photos on a political blog. You need to refocus your energies away from criticizing and back on track which is getting Obama elected. that is a direct order.

No, there was and I'm aware of it. Was the goal of the surge to make one province relatively safe?

Were you aware Obama would have pulled the troops out regardless of the situation on the ground? That he would have stopped embedding American troops with the Iraqi forces they trained and armed? Are you aware the current Dem ticket voted against sending more troops? Like you they were wrong and proved they would rather lose a war to win an election.

You really like seeing your name on the shiny screen, huh?

Oh, the irony.

Otherwise you wouldn't have posted wedding photos on a political blog.

Hence the fore mentioned irony.

Sohe like you come here for anything but attention. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted wedding photos on a political blog. You need to refocus your energies away from criticizing and back on track which is getting Obama elected. that is a direct order.

#66 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-09-04 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL. The rightwing sockpuppet keep speaking. Isn't it cute?

This is not a left/right thing. They blabbed on national television that the son of a American political figure is about to be deployed to Iraq and informed every knucklehead that really wishes him harm the unit that he's a part of and where he will be deployed. His mother might as well have just given him a shirt with a big bullseye on it, and a map with his eventual location.

To use Snipper's yardstick, you simplistic McCainiacs must want the lad to get greased so you can ghoulishly sell him as a martyr to justify your ethically bankrupt position. I don't in any way believe that is true, by the way, any more than I believe those opposed to the war truly wish harm on the guys & gals in country, but don't let that stop you sidewalk war heroes from puffing yourselves up. I guess if you can't seem to find the enemies over there, it was just a matter of time before you'd started looking for them here--even if you had to manufacture them out of whole cloth.

"Remind everyone how declaring defeat from day one honors the military or those who died?"

Who did this? What I do remember is having one reason for going to war on Day 1. Then a bunch of guys fighting and dying for that cause. Then all the sudden the reasons for our being there were changed. Which is pretty much like shitting in the coffins of those who died for the original cause. But I wouldn't expect you to care, being a mindless drone and all.

"Accusing troops of rape and murder? Before any trial?"

Two things here: 1) Iraqis were the ones who made accusations against troops. 2) Accusations are what lead to trials. I think you are confusing an accusation with a conviction because it is inappropriate to convict before trial.

"The dems have tried as hard as the insurgents to make America look bad."

The GOP just tries to get them killed by sending them into a war without a plan. But again, you don't care about that.

"How about 11 of 18 moron."

Was that the goal or was it 18 or 18? I can't tell because the bar keeps getting lowered.

"I guess you would rather have it in the hands of the foreign fighters."

I guess you resort to strawman arguements when you run out of talking points.

"Were you aware Obama would have pulled the troops out regardless of the situation on the ground?"

Yes, that is what you do when troops are in danger and they are not serving any national goal. You don't leave them there to risk their lives fighting a war that gains us nothing just so Bush can save face. You are a traitor.

"Like you they were wrong and proved they would rather lose a war to win an election."

Win what? What does the US gain from any of this? Rob says "an ally" but that is based on fairy tale assumptions. What tangible gain for the US does this war "win" us?

Face it Crispee, the minute it was proven that there were no WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq and Al Queda were not connected, the war became one big waste. Its continued for years and years only because you and your ilk would rather throw away lives than admit to being wrong. You people are traitors and your leaders deserve to be hanged for treason.

Two things here: 1) Iraqis were the ones who made accusations against troops. 2) Accusations are what lead to trials. I think you are confusing an accusation with a conviction because it is inappropriate to convict before trial.

Ted Kennedy, John Murtha, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Al Gore... How many of those look like Iraqi names?

"I guess you would rather have it in the hands of the foreign fighters."

Why am I surprised you are as clueless as the above names mentioned?

Sohe get it through your thick skull that I am a leftist. I will pull the lever for a Dem on Nov 4th. I have always voted Dem and always will unless there was a viable socialist running. Even though I am not a wimp I am still a Dem.

Rob says "an ally" but that is based on fairy tale assumptions. What tangible gain for the US does this war "win" us?

Maybe you are right. Of course Japan, Germany, South Korea are fairy tales also right?

Face it Crispee, the minute it was proven that there were no WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq and Al Queda were not connected, the war became one big waste. Its continued for years and years only because you and your ilk would rather throw away lives than admit to being wrong. You people are traitors and your leaders deserve to be hanged for treason.

#74 | Posted by Sully at 2008-09-04 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, I don't think your average Iraq War supporter should be hung. They didn't take any oath of any kind. Other then that, I'd have to say you're deadon correct.

I STILL don't know what to think of the fact that both of my Iraqi pen pals insist they were better off under Hussein in the first place. Neither of them liked the guy at all and hoped he'd be overthrown... but it seems all we did was go there and make things worse. I realize that the experiences of only 2 people is just anecdotal.. but you have to admit.. at least everyone had running water under Hussein. Even if he was horrible in defending his country, and did gas the Kurds. (Kurds are NOT "his own people" no matter what Bushco tells you.)

We coulda handled that better. At this point we've screwed it up so bad I DO advocate just yanking them out and dealing with the aftermath as it comes. Maybe leave some financial aid, but get the troops the hell out.

You are a traitor.

I take that as a compliment. Just as I have a bumper sticker in the garage which says proud to be an infidel.
But then again Sully is a anti war, anti republican messagionist.

"Maybe you are right. Of course Japan, Germany, South Korea are fairy tales also right?"

Not fairy tales. They are liabilities. 4,000 dead and $700+ billion or whatever it is in order to pick up another "ally" that we have to babysit indefinitely: What a deal!

Only someone who is loyal to morons in charge rather than the country could see that as a good thing.

Were we told that the war was being started to "gain an ally"? Would the American public have agreed to fight a war in order to "make Iraq an ally"? Get real. This war has screwed us. And we have morons like you to thank

"Well, I don't think your average Iraq War supporter should be hung. They didn't take any oath of any kind. Other then that, I'd have to say you're deadon correct."

I said their leaders as in the people who treasonously lied about connections to Al Queda in order to dupe the weak minded into supporting them.

...I have a bumper sticker in the garage which says proud to be an infidel...
But then again Sully is a anti war, anti republican messagionist.
#79 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-09-04 02:34 PM |

And we have morons like you to thank

Again I thank you. As long as a scrub like you Sully lives in a glass house, I can take the feeble rocks you throw. You are a typical gutless wonder who thinks we should never engage and like a weak minded, duped leftist, can't recognize we wouldn't be the only super power if it were not for our military.

"who thinks we should never engage and like a weak minded, duped leftist, can't recognize we wouldn't be the only super power if it were not for our military."

Try again. I'm not a pacifist and not a leftist. Not even close.

I just don't believe in sending guys to fight a war for reasons that aren't true. And I find it especially reprehensible to send them to fight a war without a complete plan.

But you don't. Because you have no standards. You are loyal to your party over all else. You don't care how many Americans lives they throw away due to stupidity and laziness.

I can only hope our country can survive the current infestation of traitorous morons such as yourself.

I just don't believe in sending guys to fight a war for reasons that aren't true. And I find it especially reprehensible to send them to fight a war without a complete plan.

But you don't. Because you have no standards. You are loyal to your party over all else. You don't care how many Americans lives they throw away due to stupidity and laziness.

I can only hope our country can survive the current infestation of traitorous morons such as yourself

Keep it up there Sparky I love being called names by scrubs like you. Imagine if your pathetic ass lived during WW11. No Normandy invasion. Blame the President for not stopping kamikazees. I know like a good little civilian you think wars should always go to plan. Here is a newsflash, war has no perfect plan. Every plan is only as good as the paper it is written. If you want to talk about wasting lives, tell your nominee sending 30 thousand troops into Afghanistan will be swallowed up by the landscape and ground troops is not the answer.

"Imagine if your pathetic ass lived during WW11."

Actually, I'm more like WWII era Americans than you are: I think we should be paying higher taxes in order to pay for the war - just like they did. I think civilians should be asked to sacrifice but Bush would never do that becuase then people might start to question why he started a war for no reason.

Its your shithead leader that cut taxes while troops are paying for their own armor. Its your shithead leader who tells us not to worry about the war and to shop instead. Its your shithead leader that cut benefits to veterans. But you don't think about such things because all you care about is being a good drone.

"I know like a good little civilian you think wars should always go to plan."

Which plan? The plan to capture imaginary WMDs? Or the plan to turn Iraqis into Jr. Americans by... um Magic? There was no real plan.

"If you want to talk about wasting lives, tell your nominee..."

What nominee? I'm not a party member. I doubt I will vote for a Democrat anytime soon.

I know Sully it is my fault. I should have been complaining and crying about being lied to and all would be well. You are such a pathetic fool. Go back to calling women cunts. It reveals your overall class. Please tell me how raising taxes and asking people to sacrifice changes anything on the ground in Iraq. maybe it makes you feel all warm inside by complaining and bitching. Like you have done something to help the cause. Maybe you should ask someone who has actually been there if they agree with you. They will call you an idiot and be correct.

BTW Sully,
If I had my way we would go right from Iraq to Syria and then who knows maybe Iran. Instead we will listen to the gutless, anti war crowd like you and do nothing.

"If I had my way we would go right from Iraq to Syria and then who knows maybe Iran."

And in the prior post you decried tax increases.

We're already running the largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time. If we expand wars we can't afford at this point, who's going to pay for your folly?

We're already running the largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time. If we expand wars we can't afford at this point, who's going to pay for your folly?

Simple. Cut out wasteful spending. Remove the corrupted entitlements. Cut off aid disguised as relief going to foreign governments coffers. Of course we could just wipe out a city or two and wait for surrender.

"Not fairy tales. They are liabilities. 4,000 dead and $700+ billion or whatever it is in order to pick up another "ally" that we have to babysit indefinitely: What a deal!"

Amen, well said!

"Please tell me how raising taxes and asking people to sacrifice changes anything on the ground in Iraq."

First of all, it is the fiscally responsible thing to do. As a, LOL, "conservative" I would expect you to know that. Secondly, maybe we could pay for body armor and plating for humvees instead of skimping and having troops and their families pay for it. Lastly, it may help morale for troops to know that we give a shit and are willing to sacrifice even 1% as much as they have. As it is now, they know we haven't given up anything for this war. You don't think soldiers don't notice that we haven't sacrificed anything to help them?

"Maybe you should ask someone who has actually been there if they agree with you. They will call you an idiot and be correct."

I love how idiots like you pretend to speak for these people. I know one guy who was in Iraq. Guess what? He didn't think it was the happy fun time you do. And he has no idea why he was there.

I imagine that soldiers have many varying opinions. They aren't all drones like you.

What a piece of shit you are for pretending to speak for these guys. Fuck off.

"If I had my way we would go right from Iraq to Syria and then who knows maybe Iran."

Yeah someone else would do the fighting.

And future generations would do the paying.

Everyone else should sacrifice but you. Traitor.

"Simple. Cut out wasteful spending. "

Says someone who unquestioningly supports an administration that didn't use a veto for 7 fucking years! That's alot of wasteful pork.

What an idiot.

First of all, it is the fiscally responsible thing to do. As a, LOL, "conservative" I would expect you to know that. Secondly, maybe we could pay for body armor and plating for humvees instead of skimping and having troops and their families pay for it. Lastly, it may help morale for troops to know that we give a shit and are willing to sacrifice even 1% as much as they have. As it is now, they know we haven't given up anything for this war. You don't think soldiers don't notice that we haven't sacrificed anything to help them?
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That isn't the plan. Obama promises a tax cut to 95% of American families, paid for--so he says--by the 5% at the top.

"That isn't the plan. Obama promises a tax cut to 95% of American families, paid for--so he says--by the 5% at the top."

Well I'm not saying that either guy is going to tackle the defecit. I was just saying that if we want to fight all these wars we should pay for them and that is my opinion regardless of what anyone else is saying.....

The next president, whoever it is, will be more fiscally repsonsible than Bush almost by default if he just occasionally uses a veto to control spending.

What a piece of shit you are for pretending to speak for these guys. Fuck off.

I speak to them not for them you gutless piece of shit. It is whiners like you who pretend to be speaking for them. Did you forget about the dictator who has now been executed? Do you ever wonder what Iraq would look like today if he was still around and all the worthless sanctions expired? No instead it is oh how are we going to pay for it? What about how the world feels about us? Oh they never did anything to us? Sound familiar prick? Like I said before remind me how your pissing and moaning has changed the reality on the ground? Also I notice your ignorant rants never seem to mention anything about those who VOTED to extend this war. Oh yeah I forgot it is only Bush we should blame. Keep pretending you are on the right side of history scrub.

"It is whiners like you who pretend to be speaking for them."

"Maybe you should ask someone who has actually been there if they agree with you. They will call you an idiot and be correct."

Crispee, I can quite obviously prove that you pretend to speak for soldiers. Its right above in black and white. Lying coward can't even stand behind his own bullshit....

"Did you forget about the dictator who has now been executed? Do you ever wonder what Iraq would look like today if he was still around and all the worthless sanctions expired? "

He didn't have any WMDs and he wasn't bothering us so I don't really give a shit. It isn't the job of our government to worry about how Iraq is being run if Iraq is leaving us alone. I would think a (snort) "conservative" would know this. What a clown.....

"No instead it is oh how are we going to pay for it?"

The dollar is shit in part because we don't pay our bills. Passing our bills off to the next generation is a slimey, unAmerican thing to do. No wonder you have no problem with it....

"Like I said before remind me how your pissing and moaning has changed the reality on the ground? "

No before you asked how collecting more taxes might help the reality on the ground so I told you and you had nothing to say, being dumb son of stinking cunt whore that you are. Now you are just asking an even more retarded question. As if I should support traitors getting Americans killed for no reason just because I don't personally have the power to change it. What an ass.

"Also I notice your ignorant rants never seem to mention anything about those who VOTED to extend this war. Oh yeah I forgot it is only Bush we should blame. "

Thats why I won't be voting Dem, Jackass. But Bush is the man in charge. I loved how you sniveling little cowards try to hide behind the Dems when your policies fail. You really are just a very stupid person.

rea, I'm glad to know you think of yourself as the RADICAL left.

I guess you all think that if we just all hold hands around the camp fire there will be peace in the world. Nice thought.

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2008-09-04 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

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After reading your posts, you think anyone left of Ronald Reagan is part of the 'RADICAL left'.

As for the 'hold hands = peace' part.....what the fuck are you babbling about? You make NO sense sometimes and very little most other times.

being dumb son of stinking cunt whore that you are.

Such a class act for a middle aged whining bitch. Of course your pissing and moaning in reality has done nothing. But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy by all means go right ahead.

Thats why I won't be voting Dem, Jackass.

Looks like you won't be voting at all since you hate both sides. Looks like you will playing with yourself again. Somehow I can bet that applies elsewhere in your life.

"Of course your pissing and moaning in reality has done nothing."

Well I did expose you as being a strong contender for Most Idiotic Poster. So that's something.......

"No you proved you can't help yourself by shutting the fuck up."

Heh. In all seriousness, take your own advice. You're in way over your head around here. Do yourself a solid and go spend some time being something other than the Drudge Toilet.

I was a little surprised last night when they put Palin's son on television. Usually politicians whose sons are in Iraq are given more privacy because they more than other guys in the military tend to present a more valued target to the insurgents. Very poor move to put her son in harms way by publicizing his identity. Now if I can figure that out, why couldn't the Mayor of Mooseville. Isn't she the one who might ending up being be our next CiC if she wins the election and McCain does not finish the term?

"No you proved you can't help yourself by shutting the fuck up."

Heh. In all seriousness, take your own advice. You're in way over your head around here. Do yourself a solid and go spend some time being something other than the Drudge Toilet.

I guarantee you would never be anyone I would take advice from. Maybe if you didn't call women cunts you might actually get laid. How's that for advice Sparky? Trust me when I say you are nowhere near above the toilet either.

Now if I can figure that out, why couldn't the Mayor of Mooseville. Isn't she the one who might ending up being be our next CiC if she wins the election and McCain does not finish the term?

Because you have never been elected to anything in your life? Thought you would be happy a politicans son or daughter serves.

I am a pretty senior enlisted military guy and I'd like to address a common lefty talking point. The fact that military personnel donate more money to Obama is simply because 90% of the people that donate are officers. I have over 200 enlisted folks that work for me and trust me, they have enough trouble paying their own bills. Our officers have all had at least 4 years of having their minds polluted by our "institutions of higher learning", make pretty good money and lean left. It's not rocket science.
Wanna really scare the left:
McCain/Palin-08
Palin/Patraeus-12
Palin/Patraeus-16
Patraeus/Jindal-20
Patraeus/jindal-24
Gonna be a long, cold winter for the Dems!!!!