Sex isnt for children, and when a child has sex, a thing adults do

LOL... RedCocoSamNeckIVilleAm is still a virgin...

"LOL... RedCocoSamNeckIVilleAm is still a virgin..."

YEAH!

At least we got one childs opinion, any others?

RedCocoSamNeckIVilleAm is still a virgin...

#1 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

LOL... rob let his daughter bash on the keyboard again.

how's she doing, buddy?

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.--

Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Just more republicant class.

black...
You are nuts SKEETER !

white...
I suppose if you set the bar low enough...you are never let down. Expect kids to experiment with drugs, have hot monkey sex( starting at 11)... with subsequent abortions you will never be let down.

oppps...this part did not post

grey...
most parents pray to get their kids thru the know-it-all raging hormonal teen years alive...without drugs,drinking, stds, and pregnancy .
Teach them well...but short of being with them every minute...

Tis funny. A girl makes a mistake, owns up to it and is willing to accept the consequences. Then on the other hand you have a group that would not call it a mistake but instead an inevitability or legitimate choice that should not be looked down upon attacking, not just the girl, but her mother. I assume that as soon as the election is over the temporary stigma of the left will wash away again but for now it just goes to show how deep the lefts convictions are. That is if they have any and are not just a facade, im not so sure the later is not left to be the only truth anymore.

YEAH!

White
The Evangelical demands that Children who commit crimes be classified an adult.

Their rational: They made a conscience decision to do an immoral act!

Black
The Evangelicals demands that hate laws be repealed so they can attack other Americans based on their own personal choice on how they pursue liberty and freedom (including the removal of children from homes they see unfit (gays) and the denial of certain members the ability to adopt (non religious or of a religion they dislike)!

Their rational: Freedom of Speech (hateful as it is) and the preservation of Family-- (as if a house full of love isnt Family-- unless there is an acceptable parody ion genital)!

Grey
Supposedly evangelical conservatives-- dont dwell here, everything is supposedly black and white, (their own words) however, just as they contradict themselves and the message of Jesus on a daily basses, this is where they conveniently insert that its nobodies business that she has a daughter thats pregnant and unmarried with the father of the unborn child acting cold, uncaring and indifferent to the results of his actions, yet reserve the right to judge others indiscriminately as they see fit!

Their Rational: They need none as their logic and way of thinking is wielded from moment to moment regardless of principle or conviction, principle and convictions other than maintaining power over the Americans they cant stand and wish to purge from society (remarkably the same strategy and desire as OBL and his religious fanatics)!

Then on the other hand you have a group that would not call it a mistake but instead an inevitability or legitimate choice that should not be looked down upon attacking, not just the girl, but her mother--

YEAH!

Except what does biblical phrase of "You will know them by their fruit" mean to you?

The apples they grow?

See, everything just goes out the window so easily for these folks!

I couldn't agree more. The ''child'' made the decision to partake in an adult activity without understanding or accepting the consequences of their actions.

Responsibility does in fact lie with the child. However, within the same token, the parents have a responsibility as well. Not to ensure the behaviors or activities of their child, but to give them the knowledge and understanding to handle those adult choices the child chooses to make.

As someone that claims to align themselves with the conservative right of American politics, having an unwed pregnant teen daughter most certainly does not follow with the traditional family values that this political party has been preaching for the past 3 decades. Furthermore, to be a member of the same party and make comments that condone the actions of the unwed teen is also against the fiber of the morals and values of this political party.

The same party that insists on replacing healthy education on birth control and sexual protection in public schools for the opinion of abstinence, I find it contrary to the wait until we get married-- ideal that this same party has pushed down the throats of Americans for years.

Calling it OK-- for this person over the rest of the people they consider sinners and deviants--, is nothing more than hypocrisy in its purest and most evil of forms.

Sorry if this wasnt black and white enoughjust had to vent for a moment.

YEAH!

Out of respect for gators sensitivity and obvious concern for privacy in difficult times, Maybe in this time of need we should respect the families privacy ----- and hold a special session to create legislation so as to rescue this child from this family (AKA Shiavo style)!

You didnt seem to give a fuck about respecting Family-- then, did you all!

Tis is Funny Indeed!

Jesus red! What the hell are you smoking?
Do have any sort of basis for the things you so haphazardly throw at "evangelicals" or is it just lets see what sticks approach?
Seriously, calm down
take a few deep breaths.
turn on some lights or remove the cardboard from your windows.
have a glass of water
take off that tinfoil hat, it makes you look ridiculous and i think the aluminum is seeping into your brain.

"Maybe in this time of need we should respect the families privacy ----- and hold a special session to create legislation so as to rescue this child from this family (AKA Shiavo style)!"

That would be grand, but then the GOP couldn't make laws about the private lives of it's citizens. What do you think they would do knowing that they can't attack people like gays?

"You will know them by their fruit"

If by that you mean taking responsibility for their actions, it is a plus. If you mean not getting an abortion contrary to your beliefs to hide it, its a plus. If you mean deciding to get married as a sign of willingness to do the right thing, it is a plus. But i guess you would expect perfection, sorry red, but what you do after a mistake says more about you often times then the mistake you made.

"...but what you do after a mistake says more about you often times then the mistake you made."

very wise words.

"But i guess you would expect perfection, sorry red, but what you do after a mistake says more about you often times then the mistake you made."

YEAH!

But what happens when you never make a Mistake?

Sincerely

GW Bush

"urthermore, to be a member of the same party and make comments that condone the actions of the unwed teen is also against the fiber of the morals and values of this political party."

Just where is it condoned? Who is saying there is no mistake made? No instead many can look past it as applaud her actions since. Unlike the left which have the luxury of having no moral code to try to live by and everything goes, she is doing what she can to make it right.

"opinion of abstinence"

Of course it is an "opinion" that sex can lead to pregnancy or std's.

"(AKA Shiavo style)!"
"GW Bush"

Stay on target.

Stay on target.

"...but what you do after a mistake says more about you often times then the mistake you made."

YEAH!

Like deny it ever happened?

A wonderful philosophy I agree!

However it begs the question ----- Why Now!

And what does that say about your unabashed worship of everything Bush to date.

To me it just further illustrates the ease of which some of you can twist principle-- into just about anything as any moment!

"Like deny it ever happened?"

Huh?
What are you talking about?
They said she was knocked up and planed to have the baby and marry the guy. Where is the denial?

Seriously dude, you have some anger issues. You are unable to separate cognitive thought from blind insults, why? What in the world would this have to do with bush, was bush pushing when he should have been pulling?

"Just where is it condoned? Who is saying there is no mistake made? No instead many can look past it as applaud her actions since. Unlike the left which have the luxury of having no moral code to try to live by and everything goes, she is doing what she can to make it right."

Wait, what?!?!

Everyone at the RNC and organizations such as Focus on the Family are. They are saying to look past it? Why? If it were Obama's daughter that was pregnant, no one would look past it.

Why a double standard?!?

The fact remains that Palin is in NO position to be a leader of a party when even her own family can not follow the morals and values of the GOP. They must, I repeat, MUST lead my example.

Why kind of example are they showing for the horrible trend of unwed teen mothers? The same trend that the RIGHT blames on the left?

Come on. If you can't honestly sit there and tell me that you can't see the writing of hypocrisy on the wall.

As far as living as ''everything goes''. It's called FREE WILL. Even in religion, FREE WILL can not be denied. If you have a problem with it, take it up with GOD. He's the one that gave it to us.

...sorry....lead BY example.

"To me it just further illustrates the ease of which some of you can twist principle-- into just about anything as any moment!"

At least we have some to twist.

No, but seriously you are applying you ideas of what you think our ideals are. I don't know where you are getting these from but is certainly not mainstream conservatives nor the Christian groups as far as i can tell. I know you want desperately to project you vision of evil onto anyone that does not fit in your little world but it is just that a projection of yourself having no relation to reality.

"I know you want desperately to project you vision of evil onto anyone that does not fit in your little world but it is just that a projection of yourself having no relation to reality."

POT
KETTLE
Pick your own color

"If it were Obama's daughter that was pregnant, no one would look past it."

I would disagree, while im sure there would be some that would use it against him is would not be acceptable attack for most repubs.

"They must, I repeat, MUST lead my example. "

Perfection is unattainable until you lower the standards until it is meaningless. If you are looking for perfection you will not find it. It is part of human nature to screw up occasionally, are you really looking for someone that has not made a mistake? But instead she is leading by example, an example of responsibility and an earnest desire to do what is right.

"Come on. If you can't honestly sit there and tell me that you can't see the writing of hypocrisy on the wall."

No, once again forgiveness and tolerance is not the same as acceptance. Have you heard one person say this is great everybody should do this? No, instead they have the ability to realize humans are not perfect creatures. If her daughter preached against premarital sex the she would be a hypocrite, but you can't apply that title to the right when they have not condoned he actions.
On the other hand i do see some coming from the other side. The side that says it is not a moral issue not a choice to be ashamed of now attacking someone for that choice.

"s far as living as ''everything goes''. It's called FREE WILL. Even in religion, FREE WILL can not be denied. If you have a problem with it, take it up with GOD. He's the one that gave it to us."

Has nothing to do with free will, instead about a social and moral code.

"POT
KETTLE
Pick your own color"

How so?
I merely pointed out he was attaching ideas to a group based on their religion that does not fit within the bound of reality. Yes, it was intended as an insult but there was more than just a nugget of truth in there. I make generalizations about the left, sure, but mine can be backed up by the mainstream left, his cannot but maybe by some fringe groups.

"Why kind of example are they showing for the horrible trend of unwed teen mothers? The same trend that the RIGHT blames on the left? "

I guess this is a difference between the "right" and the "left." I see a separation between tolerating something and accepting it as good. Her daughter is not preaching that she is a moder woman who does not need a man, or that it is a biological inevitability. Instead she said she screwed up and tried to do the right thing. Again, do you know of anyone that is saying yippie? There is still a culture of forgiveness and compassion under the tarnished right's image, circumstances like this alow it to shine through.

I will have to answer later

I still havent recovered from REDNECK of all people making a literate post with questions about responsibility and all of that.......
damn.........is the sky falling???????????

"Perfection is unattainable until you lower the standards until it is meaningless."

I never said perfection. Leading by example does not require perfection. It requires honor, dignity, and integrity to stand by the things you hold most dear. If you can't walk the walk, one shouldn't talk the talk. It's that simple.

" but you can't apply that title to the right when they have not condoned he actions."

Apparently you haven't been listening to what members of the RNC and faith based organizations (fundies) have been saying.

"Has nothing to do with free will, instead about a social and moral code."

Not true. We are all entitled to do as we see fit. The morals of one group are not always the same as another. One group can not claim morals for the whole of soceity. The Right's morals and standards come from Christianity. Not everyone is Christian, or has to be. Therefore, laws and morals can not be formed to impose on the masses, if not all of the masses agree.
Again, it's all about free will.

As Far as Pot, Kettle.....read your own statement. You made a claim about DEMS that can honestly be said about the GOP, as well.
If you don't like his views about the right, then the right needs to change how they are preceived. He did not make any statement that the majority of people don't agree with, or that many within the Right don't already claim as their basis. Remember, actions speak much louder than words.

"There is still a culture of forgiveness and compassion under the tarnished right's image, circumstances like this alow it to shine through."

Prove it!

When is the last time there was a kind word said from the Right about - drug dealers, gays and lesbians, athiests, communists, Muslims, etc without a sugar coated underlying attack on those groups? "Hate the sin, love the sinner." That's a crock that has been used for eons to oppress others and deny them the same rights you are given.

There is only forgiveness for their own kind. You know that as well as I do. Don't attempt to make the Right out as some sort of compassionate and loving party. They aren't. History proves that they aren't....well, unless you are white, male, and Christian.

YEAH!

Ok, lets compromise!

Lets just refer to palins knocked up, underage, not married, liquor swilling' highschooler a Babys Momma-- and call it even!
Can I get a Terrorist Fist Jab?

Sincerely

E.D Hill

" If you can't walk the walk, one shouldn't talk the talk. It's that simple."

It her daughter, you talk free will but your attacks on palin betray your position on where the blame lies.

"As Far as Pot, Kettle.....read your own statement. You made a claim about DEMS that can honestly be said about the GOP, as well. "

My statement was regarding his perception of evangelicals which is obviously no more than hyperbole. The vast majority would disagree with his insults to the religious right.

"There is only forgiveness for their own kind. You know that as well as I do."

Not the case, you too are jaded by misconceptions. Go to any downtown city find some shelters or recovery houses guess what many are church run. But instead of raising that they are doing good you are too happy to point out that they are unwilling to accept and cherish the things they deem sinful. As to the right they are more charitable including rehab centers and on the whole leading me to believe that the conceptions commonly held are patently false. Once again free will would have to be quashed to deny any group the right to their own beliefs are you ready to do that? Are you willing to admit that their positions are just as valid as yours? Or do you want to wallow in your own bigotry like our friend red here.

Redneckville another fine McCain/Palin secret shill planted on the DR.

I laugh my head off at guys like you and TonyRoma clandestinely working your little tails off for the GOP. Check your mail your McCain/Palin official toaster/oven should be arriving soon.

Responsibility does in fact lie with the child. However, within the same token, the parents have a responsibility as well. Not to ensure the behaviors or activities of their child, but to give them the knowledge and understanding to handle those adult choices the child chooses to make.

In other words she should have aborted the baby like a good little dem? I would live to know how keeping the baby and deciding to marry the father is bad in the libs world? Or how this deveiates from Palins conservative principles?

Salamadagator-

Sure, the RIGHT is SO compassionate, that they choose to sit there and pray to God that the DNC was rained out. Sure, that's a very compassionate and Christian thing to do. This is just one example of what I am talking about.

Have to be quashed? Get real, dude. The RIGHT controls how the laws are made, using their religious ideals. You can't deny that. What about the lesbian couple that simply want to live and care for each other. They have been together for 50 yrs, and still are not considered a legit couple.....simply because of a religious ideal....but sure, they have all the rights, huh? You have no clue....but those that have never been oppressed rarely do.

The reality is that charity has nothing to do with it. My first statement still stands. NEVER a kind loving word.

Just to let you know, I'm the furthest thing from a bigot. I see and treat everyone as an equal. Not one person is greater than the next. The fact that I point out where others are doing wrong makes me a bigot? Maybe it isn't I that's "wallowing" in bigotry....maybe it's you.

Oh, and one final thing before I conclude my portion of this issue for today....I'm not a DEM or REP. I am still at this stage very undecided. I am awaiting McCain's speech at the RNC to make my final choice. I could care less about special interest politics, in all honesty. I'm an American that lives and breathes the ideals of our forefathers. Not one day passes that I don't look at the Constitution or the Declaration and thank my God that I was born in this land. So, before you attempt to attack me personally, you have to know who I am.

Crispee - No. Never said that. If the parents take a more active role in their child's life, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. Makes you wonder, huh?
Look, don't get pissy at me for stating just what the GOP has been saying for decades.

This is a fine example of what I mean. The GOP has been saying to live a certain way....fine. But when they can't live up to the expectations they place on everyone else, it's brushed under the rug.

That's a double standard, if not down right hypocritial. No one can disagree with that.

OR....you are saying that REPS lack the courage of their own convictions. Either way, the GOP has some crow to eat.

"They have been together for 50 yrs, and still are not considered a legit couple.....simply because of a religious ideal....but sure, they have all the rights, huh?"

You are talking about a social code. It just so happens that the religious right has the heart of a large chunk of the population, enough that their contributions to society include decisions on laws. If you want to say that there can be no moral issue or no persons idea of morality is valid then there can be no problem with denying right based on anything if you control the majority. In the end it is what the majority of people want, thats where power come and therefore their ideals are set.

"Sure, the RIGHT is SO compassionate, that they choose to sit there and pray to God that the DNC was rained out. Sure, that's a very compassionate and Christian thing to do. This is just one example of what I am talking about."

Ok, fine that was an odd statement but not supported by the religious community and withdrawn. On the other hand i would take praying for rain any day over attacking the police as was seen by the radical left at the rnc. But i don't apply that to all left or all one group or another, it was radicals, someday maybe people will start judging base on their own actions not what labels they decide to stick on them. In the end why is that any different then racial stereotypes, i would put forth that they are in fact the same thing.
That is where i find a whole lot of bigotry today. Attacking one group because of their religion is fine unless they are a minority. Is it ok to attack anyone as long as they are in the majority? No, it is just as bigoted as aiming at a minority so why does this not apply to "Christian" religions, is it their turn to be hated?
By the way, i did not intend to call you a bigot, i do not know you, it was instead meant as a rhetorical question i apologize if i did not express that well enough.

"Remember, actions speak much louder than words."
"The reality is that charity has nothing to do with it. My first statement still stands. NEVER a kind loving word."

I guess i'm a little confused. If actions speak louder than words why would charity not count? It would seem that an outstretched hand to help someone regardless of circumstance is quite the gesture of a caring nature.

Let me tell you a little about myself now. I am not religious, i was raised in a church but have not been in one for probably 8 years now. I am no just a pro-religion guy i am against the sweeping generalizations, stereotyping, and irrational placement of blame on any group of people, this time it is the religious right. While i would like to call myself an independent i lean to the right quite a ways, part of living in semi-rural Washington and seeing what the left has done to Seattle. I have never voted straight down party line and probably never will. Just thought you should know where i am coming from.

"This is a fine example of what I mean. The GOP has been saying to live a certain way....fine. But when they can't live up to the expectations they place on everyone else, it's brushed under the rug."

And by that you mean publicly released... in a press conference... as the world was watching...

I still believe that it is human nature to make mistakes. I cannot deny a mothers influence but it stops there influence not control. She is still young, she made a mistake, but the values that were instilled by her family now shine through. While her actions are not to be condoned, and are not being condoned, her acceptance of the responsibility is a testament to her character and if anything is reflected on her mother it should be this. I know it is not the negative that so many are hoping for but it will still be used that way to attack someone for her childs actions.

"And by that you mean publicly released..."

They only went public because the Nat'l Enquirer called them for their reaction to the news' imminent publication.

No bonus points for that.

"No bonus points for that."

Maybe not but no effort was made to hide it. Normally this would have been a privacy issue but somehow now in politics children are not only fair game but are actively sought as targets as shown with the bush twins, chenys daughter even to some extent chelsea and now this.

"no effort was made to hide it."

When it was about to come out anyway?!?

You're joking, right?

"When it was about to come out anyway?!? "

So i assume you think everyone announces to the whole world when they are pregnate? Ahhhh, i see, when it is a political family you need to know how many squares they wipe with. Sorry, but this was a despicable attack and the palin family handled in it is a classy manner.

"So i assume you think everyone announces to the whole world when they are pregnate"

They only announced it so that the National Enquirer wouldn't "break" it, and AFTER the NE called them for comment just prior to publication.

"this was a despicable attack"

With apologies to HST, they tell the truth, and you think it's a despicable attack.

"they tell the truth, and you think it's a despicable attack."

Ohhh, i get it, her little girl got knocked up so let humiliate her in front of the country and stone her mother. The attack was against her mother her daughter was just a "necessary casualty" can't reach a guys face to hit him? No problem just throw his kid down and stand on his head.
What reason would they have had to tell the public? HEY WORLD!!
i slept 6 hours last night, had a good BM before i went to be and had Lasagna for dinner. When i woke up this morning i held may daughter as my wife made a bottle, got dressed, fed my dog, pissed on my lawn, and went to work. At work i cracked my can of rockstar, checked for messages, checked my email and pulled up the DR. Too much? Well should i publish my wifes menstrual cycle? No?
I see, only when it is a weapon against someone can this sort of stuff be used, fuck privacy we got us a story.

No one that I have heard has attacked Palin's daughter at all. That is just right wing bull shit trying to stop any and all criticism of Palin on any issue. No vice presidential candidate with a pregnant seventeen year old daughter would be given a pass and avoid commentary. It's ridiculous to pretend differently and dishonest to pretend outrage about it.

Ohhh, i get it, her little girl got knocked up so let humiliate her in front of the country and stone her mother.

It is pretty obvious her daughter is pregnant, so unless Palin planned on having her hold Trig all night or not show up for the speech last night, I think the American people would have figure it out. The McCain camp said they knew about the daughter's pregnancy. Surely, they intended to announce it at some point, sooner rather than later.

"That is just right wing bull shit "

seriously?
You have not heard the attacks on palins mothering ability or do you just choose to avoid reality when it suits you?

I have seen it brought up many times by left wing pundits during coverage of the rnc. It has been on left wing radio, on fstv and all over the blogs have you been sleeping for the last few days?

Gal;
sure it would have been known, but using it as a political tool is the problem. The "issue" has been brought forth, the punches are flying that is the part that is wrong. You can say it may suck but all involved in politics are not entitled to any form of privacy but this is still below the belt. Those that use this as a weapon to destroy a woman should be ashamed of them selfs. Unfortunetly the politics of this week have been all about smearing palin to keep obamas and biden's name out of the papers or maybe it is just the public looking for the next public hanging i don't know but i do know this is low.

SALAMANDAGATOR is trying to say, I think, that if the situation were reversed Rush Limbaugh wouldn't be making jokes, calling the girl and her mother names, etc.
Sorry MANDAGATOR....baloney.

BTW, I listen to a lot of progressive talk radio and I still have not heard any direct attack on that young girl. I have heard some discussion about the hypocrisy of preaching abstinence only, against sex ed, etc. but, sorry, that is completely legitimate. Whether it is all completely reasonable discussion or not is irrelevant anyway because she knew this going in when she agreed to run for VP and other candidates have been just as thoroughly examined and discussed though usually over a longer period of time but the time period is by the choice of John McCain who never mentioned to the press he was considering her. NOw the press is playing catch up and in a rush to get info out about her some exesses are going to be expected. McCain could have prevented it by giving her name out to the press earlier so that she would be well researched and sources well checked before publication or discussion on the air.