It's just like the primaries when Hillary was running against Obama. They attack her for being a woman.

Three stories on the front page of NYT alone attempting to discredit her.

Has anyone asked Obama is he can be a good daddy if he is elected?

"It's just like the primaries when Hillary was running against Obama. They attack her for being a woman."

Just to see how tethered you are to reality, do you actually believe Palin would have been chosen if she had a Y chromosome?

Hey Anamerican,

Your dummy sign is on crooked.

And your point???

What part of the whole situation don't you understand?

I see you are just too stupid to understand that it is news and wasn't exactly known for choosing her as VP.

How about Obama, Danforth? Would he be where he is today if he wasn't a black male?

They attack her for being a woman.

#1 | POSTED BY ANAMERICAN

Way to project your sexism.

I attack her because she is fluff. A extremely thinly veiled attempt by Bagdad John to go after the so-called disinfranchised Hillary supporters. I am willing to bet solid money that if Hillary had not lost to Obama in the primaries that she would never ever even come close to being considered. If she was such hot stuff a year ago why wasn't she in the primaries?

What is even funnier is that goofballs like you lap up and regurgitate the talking points.

You make it so much fun.

Racist and sexist.

How enlightened of the right!

From another blog:

Her husband took a leave of absence as a North Slope oil field production operator to support his wife. But instead of extolling their choice, the leftists have morphed into ultra-social conservative women belong at home-- caricatures. And they are going after Palins husband now digging up dirt on a two decade-old DUI arrest and reportedly offering money to bottom-feeders for damaging info:

As Obama operatives scour records in Alaska for dirt on Gov. Sarah Palin, they are also seeking embarrassing materials about her husband. And it isnt just the Obama campaign. Several left-wing groups with ties to MoveOn.org have used their network to offer as to $5,000 for damaging employment or personal information about him.
If a Democrat mom chooses public office, shes a patriot Wonder Woman imbued with Absolute Moral Authority on childrens, health, and social welfare issues.

If a Republican mom chooses public office, shes the child-neglecting spawn of Satan who has no business debating any domestic public policy because of alleged hypocrisy.

How about Obama, Danforth? Would he be where he is today if he wasn't a black male?

#6 | POSTED BY ANAMERICAN

He would be further ahead than where he is for not having to endure racists attacks like yours.

If I'm racist, then you are sexist? How bout them apples?

"How about Obama, Danforth? Would he be where he is today if he wasn't a black male?"

Yes. And he'd be another half-dozen points ahead.

"Would he be where he is today if he wasn't a black male?"

Obama is the Democratic nominee in spite of the fact that he's a black male.

Hillary Clinton was almost the Democratic nominee in spite of the fact that she's a female.

Sarah Palin is the GOP VP nominee only because she's a female.

How bout them apples?

"If they didn't see her as a threat to their party, they would ignore her."

This and variations of this statement simply are not true. The least threatening foe is often the most enthusiastically attacked, esp when crippling the least threatening cripples the herd.

Palin is fast becoming a liability to the (R) ticket.

Think about all the topics that have been up for discussion since Friday and ask yourself if these same issues that would have been addressed to Obama or Biden.

Would anyone have questioned Obama or Biden running for P/VP if one of their children had Downs Syndrome?

"...on this obvious leftist blog"

Wow! And just when did the slogan "Red Meat for Yellow Dogs" dawn on you?

Here's a shocker for you: Freeper is a rightwingnut blog.

How bout them apples?

The irony, truth, is that you guys are so obssessed with smearing someone you say is unqualified, unfit and "should just stay home and bake apple pies". It hits me as fear - you just can't stand an attractive, articulate, confident woman.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover there are leftists on this blog.

Dirty Tricks: Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number
Just When You Thought They Couldn't Reach Any Lower

The Politico has received an opposition research file from the Alaska Democrats.

In the file, the Democrats have released Sarah Palin's social security number minus the last four digits. Also tied to the information are her various home addresses.

Back in 2005, Democrats used Michael Steele's social security number to get his credit record. It is atrocious that the Democrats would not only seek out Sarah Palin's social security number, but release it in opposition research to the press.

"The irony, truth, is that you guys are so obssessed with smearing someone you say is unqualified..."

As opposed to smearing qualified people, like Max Cleland? People called "unqualified" and "unfit"?

The irony is deep and sweet.

"Just When You Thought They Couldn't Reach Any Lower"

"There's a new dog in the White House," Rush Limbaugh, while holding up a picture of 13 year old Chelsea Clinton.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father," John McClain, mocking a 17 year old Chelsea Clinton.

Yep... can't reach any lower.

Truth, how about all the arguments that she should stay home with her kids? That's the part that really gets me.

The real problem is that shell help McCain rally the base, maybe take on a few Hillary voters, and then show Obama for the empty suit that he is. And that, in a nutshell, is why you are desperate to smear her.

Funny you bring up Limbaugh. He was informing us today Chelsea was off limits during the Clinton years. You can't make this stuff up.

Truth, how about all the arguments that she should stay home with her kids? That's the part that really gets me.

Well, that seems to be the republicanneorightie mantra and moral responsibility toward family but I see you can preach it but just not live by it.

Funny you bring up Limbaugh. He was informing us today Chelsea was off limits during the Clinton years. You can't make this stuff up.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2008-09-02 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

That guy just says anything that comes to his mind, no matter how insane. Rush destroyed the filter between his brain mouth with drugs..

"Just When You Thought They Couldn't Reach Any Lower"

Yeah! Just ask Graeme Frosts family!

"Also tied to the information are her various home addresses."

You mean like Michelle Malkin releasing Graeme Frosts family's address?

Like that?

Just When You Thought They Couldn't Reach Any Lower.

Really, maybe you should keep the sexist attacks coming, guys. Because there are thousands and thousands of men and women who can sympathize with working with small children in the home, sons or daughters who have conceived children after teaching them to be responsible and many of the other double standard attacks Palin is enduring.

They will remember on election day.

Another comment I totally agree with:

The Democrats and the press have taught us some valuable lessons in the last couple of days:

1. A Womans right to choose is limited to choosing abortion;

2. Feminism is a concept available only to liberal Democrats and is not available for anyone of differing ideology;

3. Working mothers are child abusers if they try to balance a career and family;

4. A candidates family is now fair game in political discourse;

5. It is not hypocritical to oppose waterboarding as torture while favoring the infliction of mental cruelty upon children, so long as those children have parents that do not share your political views.

Furthermore, if Obama had been a Republican with conservative views, the left would have called him "Uncle Tom". And you know it. It was demonstrated very well when Michael Steele was running for a Senate seat.

Anhackingamerican,

It appears you just don't understand the aspect of living by the statements and policies you support and enforce.

Yes, Palin's daughter is typical America and the fact that still today Palin has not figured out the problems with the policies and ideas she supports is large.

"4. A candidates family is now fair game in political discourse"

"There's a new dog in the White House," Rush Limbaugh, while holding up a picture of 13 year old Chelsea Clinton.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father," John McClain, mocking a 17 year old Chelsea Clinton.

#4 is a "valuable lessons in the last couple of days"???

Last couple of days???

Limbaugh said his "dog" joke in 1993.

And you think that's "the last couple of days"???

AA how is the doc treating your delusions?

Paxil or letting U B U?

When you consider that much of the criticism has nothing to do with her job, it's sexism.

Where is the criticism against Obama for not staying home and caring for his children? How can he possibly stand up the the pressure of the office, when he has the responsibility of a family?

Get it now?

I hereby declare Obama unfit for the President because he has young children that need his guidance and he can't possibly lead this country if the Republican Vice Presidential candidate cannot perform her job under the same circumstances.

It amazes me... no, it is expected, the sheer hypocrisy of the rightwingnuts, as exemplified by some here.

From the mocking of a 13 year old girl, to the wearing of Purple Heart band aids at the 2004 GOP convention, the Republicans have considered anything and everything "fair game" in the political game.

And when one of their own is in the cross hairs? Boo, f*cking, hoo.

"Because there are thousands and thousands of men and women who can sympathize with working with small children in the home, sons or daughters who have conceived children after teaching them to be responsible and many of the other double standard attacks Palin is enduring.

"They will remember on election day."

Right. Just like negative campaign ads. Americans may say that they're against them. But, as Lee Atwater taught us so well, they work.

Suck it up, crybabies.

"I hereby declare Obama unfit for the President because...."

Oooo... we're all soooo impressed!

Get it now?

Hey, if its good for the gander, its good for the goose, truth.

"Hey, if its good for the gander, its good for the goose, truth.

Agreed. Then what's with your faux outrage?

#9 | Posted by anamerican at 2008-09-02 09:03 PM

Welcome to politics.

Every single thing you bemoan so tediously in this thread has been done before and will be done again in the future. Quit with the mock outrage and fucking grow up.

This woman, running for the VP of the Republican party, has more executive experience than your man who is on the top of his ticket. THAT is what the left can't dispute and has gotten them running around trying to discredit her and her family.

"Every single thing you bemoan so tediously in this thread has been done before and will be done again in the future."

Yep.

"Quit with the mock outrage and fucking grow up."

Isn't that the truth. Great post, JPW.

And you and Obama can spin it any way you like, it's the truth and you were blindsided. Kudos to McCain for having the wisdom to choose her.

"This woman..."

ROTFLMAO!

Two words sum up this situation: Thomas Eagleton.

So all is fair in politics, JPW? I and others like me will fight against your candidate everywhere we go. But we won't do it with lies and attacks on children. We will fight fair and win.

"We will fight fair and win."

Oh, now THAT is a funny flag if ever there was one!!!

"But we won't do it with lies and attacks on children."

"There's a new dog in the White House," Rush Limbaugh, while holding up a picture of 13 year old Chelsea Clinton.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father," John McClain, mocking a 17 year old Chelsea Clinton.

"has more executive experience"

Which translated into millions and millions in earmarks, attempting to get someone fired for extra-legal reasons, lying about her stances, and leaving a massive deficit behind.

No wonder the Republicans love her.

"So all is fair in politics, JPW?"

No. Integrity and dignity are long lost from our current politics. Unfortunately, you show they are long lost from YOUR politics as well when you bemoan the actions of one side with nary a peep regarding the same tactics used by your side.

"I and others like me will fight against your candidate everywhere we go. But we won't do it with lies and attacks on children. We will fight fair and win."

That's just fine. Go ahead and fight "my" candidate wherever you go. It's your right to do so and I could care less who you're for or against. But given your dis ingenuousness on this thread, I'm sure you'll do plenty of attacking and lying.

Anything to win, right?

Obama:

"So, when it comes to -- when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence only -- should include abstinence education and teaching that children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16."

Much like Palin, he believes in teaching abstitence. But unlike Palin, he calls conception of a child by a young girl "a mistake" that can be fixed because otherwise, that child is "being punished with a baby".

I have a lovely granddaughter that was "a mistake". Thank God her mother didn't see the child as a punishment.

"running for the VP of the Republican party, has more executive experience than your man who is on the top of his ticket."

You know what, I don't dispute that she has more executive experience than Obama. The real question is, IS IT ENOUGH? To that question the answer is a resounding NO.

In regards to the experience question, Palin does nothing to improve the Repub's ticket (and I find it funny that the Repubs have moved the goal post from "experience" to "executive experience"...). In regards to other questions, I've yet to decide if she adds or detracts from the ticket as I know nothing about her.

Do you know how you completely failed your argument?

"You know what, I don't dispute that she has more executive experience than Obama. The real question is, IS IT ENOUGH? To that question the answer is a resounding NO. "

But Obama's experience is ENOUGH??

If Anamaerican hasn'y gotten his autographed toaster oven from McSame, he's being gipped.

You can't make this stuff up.

The Right makes up stuff as they go along. Just as long as it isn't real, because reality sucks for the Right.

PS. Palin was part owner of a company that scammed the state tax department.
While she was Governor.

She's got balls.

PS Obama has picked up 3 points on the RCP avergae, since Palin was announced. Thank you John.

You got proof of that, Northguy.

"ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain," Terry claimed. "Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama's political gain."

Obama is the CSI's first national candidate, although the company has worked for several regional candidates in recent years, said Jeff Robinson, CSI's executive vice president.

"Our contracts were relatively small for Obama," he said, declining to specify amounts because of "proprietary" rights of CSI's clients. The largest project for Obama was during the Ohio primary, he said.

"That was a very short-term contract for one week of work. In Ohio, they asked us to do canvasses in five cities statewide," Robinson said.

The Ohio primary was March 4. According to FEC records, the Obama campaign paid Citizens Services Inc. $832,598.29, from Feb. 25 to May 17.

A Trib analysis of campaign finance reports showed Obama paid CSI for services that stood out as unusual. For example, CSI received payments of $63,000 and $75,000 for advance work. Excluding the large payments to CSI, the average amount the Obama campaign spent with other organizations was $558.82 per check on more than 1,200 entries classified as advance work.

Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN's national headquarters in New Orleans. Citizens Services was established in December 2004 to "assist persons and organizations who advance the interests of low- and moderate-income people," according to paperwork filed in Louisiana. In a 2006 ACORN publication, Citizen Services Inc. is described as "ACORN's campaign services entity."

Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN's political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary.

LOL Katie loves Obama! I already knew that she would be on the war path.

When, btw, did the Democratic party vet Obama??

America's Dems vetted Obama over the last four years. More concerns have surfaced on Palin in a week.

Let's checklist a few questionable associations:

Friend and associate of known terrorist, Ayers.

Twenty years taking his family to a church whose minister taught hate to America.

Questionable $$$ with ACORN.

They didn't do a very good job, did they?

Somewhere there is a list of folks Obama has thrown under the bus over the last year.

Among them are everyone in Obamas inner circleJones, Rezko, Wright, Meeks, Ayers, and Pfleger.

Steaming,

Thanks for the link.

She is gonna get Harriet MierED.

You're doing a great job holding your own here anamerican. Thumbs up!

A life-long friend of mine was busted for petty theft 10 years ago. We're still good friends. Does that make me some sort of deviant or criminal?

None of this is new. Obama's persevered despite these "associations."

How's that Palin bump in the polls playing out?

Let's checklist a few questionable associations:
Friend and associate of known terrorist, Ayers.
Twenty years taking his family to a church whose minister taught hate to America.
Questionable $$$ with ACORN.

They didn't do a very good job, did they?

They (right wing hate machine) did an outstanding job. You actually believe and and even repeat that bullshit.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover there are leftists on this blog.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2008-09-02 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, Zed.. there are DEMOCRATS on this blog. And I'm shocked they're stooping to these levels.

A "Leftist" wouldn't invade a woman's privacy as much as these jerkoffs have.

Welcome to politics.

Every single thing you bemoan so tediously in this thread has been done before and will be done again in the future. Quit with the mock outrage and fucking grow up.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2008-09-02 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

...the problem is... that, and I'm sure I CAN'T be the only one... I actually believed that the Democrats were different. That they were BETTER then the Republicans.

I didn't know I was so naive and childlike in politics until I realized that I actually felt betrayed by the reprehensible way they're acting. I'm like a 5 year old that just found out Santa Claus isn't real.

Being 31, I thought my loins had been girded against people being consistently full of shit, but I was seriously a True Believer in the Democrat philosophy.

I have destroyed some Clinton supporters on another blog. I let them know under no uncertain terms that they were traitorous animals unless they support Obama.

"Do you know how you completely failed your argument...But Obama's experience is ENOUGH??

You know how you failed reading comprehension? I was talking about EXECUTIVE experience, as that is the newest thing Obama doesn't have but his opponents supposedly do.

"but I was seriously a True Believer in the Democrat philosophy."

You can be a believer in the Democratic philosophy and yet recognize the Democrats for the typical politicians they are.

"You're doing a great job holding your own here anamerican. Thumbs up!"

Shit, man, you have some low standards.

Oh, Anna Merkin.

Lemme get this straight.

In response to yer assertion that there are too many Palin threads here at the DR you've decided to start another Palin thread compalining of the fact?

You kids crack Spud up.

Ya really do.

GOPher HQ doesn't appreciate the speed at which blogworld works.

By the time the GOP tried to portray Palin as some kind of reformer and values candidate she has already been debunked on both fronts and several unpleasant lines of inquiry have been opened on others.

She's a seccessionist, a fundie whackjob, a homophobe, questionable mother, a typical control freak wingnut, and she's not even prepared enuff to be Governor of Alaska much less VPOTUS or (gawd ferbid) POTUS.

Teamed with McSame aka McBush aka McAncient aka the "Least exciting playa in politics today" they make a less than dynamic duo.

Good luck with all that.

Be Well.

/back to bed.

The Drudgies are not the only ones busy slamming Palin. Look at the latest US Magazine cover and related stories. The difference in how they portrayed these two people is so blatantly obvious, you would have to be a moron not to see it:

Is it really a surprise to you that people would be posting stories about a person who has been thrust into the national spotlight. No one knows Palin, they are learning things about her and posting them so they can discuss and learn more about the stranger.

Interesting sidenote on VP resignations / firings:

the left would not be protesting the choice of palin for veepee if they didn't feel threatened.

extremely threatened.

anybody smell cooked goose?

anybody smell cooked goose?

#77 | Posted by nanc

I think it's being served immediately after tonights speech.

dream on nanc, palin is another example in the mold of brownie and meirs, a poorly thought out choice for an important office for blatantly obvious political reasons.

"I think it's being served immediately after tonights speech. Posted by wisgod"

You really think she's going to do that poorly?

they should serve moose knuckles instead

You really think she's going to do that poorly?

#80 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Har, har. Not according to Joe Biden.

The main guys on this obvious leftist blog must be scared silly. If they didn't see her as a threat to their party, they would ignore her.

The reason for all the Palin coverage is that she wasn't properly vetted, so all the things that might have come out in that process are coming out now in the media and on blogs.

McCain set her up for failure. He could've gotten some stuff out in a more favorable way for Palin -- for instance, urging her to announce her daughter's pregnancy *before* she was named his running mate -- but he didn't really want Palin so he never prepared her for this.

So now, a politician beloved by social conservatives who could've been prepared for a run in four or eight years is being sacrificed to his recklessness. Now she either wins this long-shot hail mary with McCain or becomes a laughingstock who can't run later. Nice move, McCain.

Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, and for all that it is a wobbly one at that, it is still quite possible that the conservative base will come down with it.

They are used to catching poorly thrown balls.

mccain didnt meet with her but once and that was back last winter

McCain set her up for failure. He could've gotten some stuff out in a more favorable way for Palin -- for instance, urging her to announce her daughter's pregnancy *before* she was named his running mate -- but he didn't really want Palin so he never prepared her for this.

|Posted by rcade

True. He should have realized that the KOS folks would claim that Trig was Bristol's child, and that every leftie would jump on-board.

Today on Morning Joe they were talking about the way the liberal blogosphere is attacking Palin, with relish, sometimes on mere rumor and innuendo. Meika (sp?) claimed this was the result of sexism. I had to laugh. Perhaps she has never read conservative blogs, so she doesn't remember the Michelle Obama "I hate whitey" or the John Kerry "had an affair with an intern" feeding frenzies that made their way around the web, spawned by the likes of the Drudge Report.

Just to see how tethered you are to reality, do you actually believe Palin would have been chosen if she had a Y chromosome?
Posted by Danforth at 2008-09-02 08:56 PM

"How about Obama, Danforth? Would he be where he is today if he wasn't a black male?"

Yes. And he'd be another half-dozen points ahead.
Posted by Danforth

Speaking of "tethered to reality," you appear to have been cut loose long ago.

Just to see how tethered you are to reality, do you actually believe Palin would have been chosen if she had a Y chromosome?

To be fair, Meika did raise the question of whether McCain's choice of Palin wasn't in itself sexist, IOW, if he would have picked her if she had been a man with the same qualifications. The consensus was that it was and that he wouldn' have.

Wisgod: McCain's team shares responsibility for Bristol being dragged into the spotlight as an unwed pregnant mother. Any competent political operative would know what happens when a secret like that -- common knowledge in Wasilla, apparently -- encounters the white-hot spotlight of a vice presidential selection.

What should have happened is this: McCain's team vets Palin a month or two ago, as one of the short list, and goes to Alaska and talks up Republicans. They find out about the pregnancy, and tell Palin she should have her office announce it now. That way it's already part of her personal story, just like her decision to carry Trig.

Rcade, you can speculate on the timeline. I'll wait for the facts. Besides, as you correctly stated, "common knowledge in Wasilla, apparently". Why would she need to release a Nation wide statement on something she never tried to hide?

McCain's team shares responsibility for Bristol being dragged into the spotlight as an unwed pregnant mother

You've dedicated this site to attacking her personally, and her family but you blame McCain?

She was asking for it by wearing that mini-skirt your honor!

The reason for all the Palin coverage is that she wasn't properly vetted, so all the things that might have come out in that process are coming out now in the media and on blogs.

Right... if she were properly vetted as you put it, you never would have put up all these threads attacking her as a mother or a wife... not one.

Why would she need to release a Nation wide statement on something she never tried to hide?

She did try to hide it. They held her out of school and in Palin's first speech with McCain, Bristol carried her brother and was under a blanket the whole time.

You've dedicated this site to attacking her personally, and her family but you blame McCain?

For a guy who calls himself an a-hole and prides himself on hard-edged comments about Dems and liberals, you sure do get expect your own side to get the white-glove treatment.

I haven't dedicated this site to personal attacks on Palin. She's in the big leagues now, and like Obama, Biden, Clinton and McCain, she's going to face tough scrutiny.

"so all the things that might have come out in that process are coming out now in the media and on blogs."

And nothing in regards to defeating a corrupt Repulican Governor in the State Primary, defeating a corrupt Democratic challenger in the State General Election, finishing a pipeline project stalled by corrupt Alaska Politicians. Just focus on a 17 year old pregnant child. It speaks volumes about the Media.

"you sure do get expect your own side to get the white-glove treatment."

I think there's a difference between "white glove treatment" and "12 stories on the front page about one person." If your site fell anywhere between the two, your position might be arguable.

I haven't dedicated this site to personal attacks on Palin.

Let's see, there was the thread about her flying back to Alaska to have her baby... that's relevant to how she'll perform as VP. Then there was the fake YouTube video of her husband which gave us all keen insight into her policy decisions. Then the Bristol Pregnancy threads which let us all know how she would act towards future Russian aggression against it neighbors...

Not to mention all the fun comments about her, that if reversed to racial comments about Obama surely would have been dumped...

nah... you're right... nothing but critical threads showing us the type of VP/pres she would be...

Rob you can spout off all your negative bs after day and once things get a little rough you cry like a little girl? Go to freepers if you want an echo chamber.

"Let's see, there was the thread about her flying back to Alaska to have her baby... that's relevant to how she'll perform as VP. "

You're right; it IS relevant. It speaks of her judgement, and her willingness to put other lives at stake, as well as begs the question: did she know the danger and ignore it, or was she completely ignorant of her predicament?

"how she would act towards future Russian aggression"

Cindy McCain and Fox's Steve Doofus cleared that up for us: Alaska is, after all, right next to Russia. If that's not foreign policy experience, what is?

Go to freepers if you want an echo chamber.

#98 | Posted by rastaninja

You are a fucking retard... why would I be here if I wanted an echo chamber?

Sorry I think its a little silly that the Drudge Retort for the past few days has been dedicated to the subject that 17 year olds like to fuck (I'm 100% positive that came as a shock to you though) and a fake youtube video...

You are a fucking retard
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

That is what your old lady says about you.

this is primetime. If Palin wants to get Sheehanized by her family I'll be glad to help with the process.

I think there's a difference between "white glove treatment" and "12 stories on the front page about one person." If your site fell anywhere between the two, your position might be arguable.

There are six stories on the front page. Palin's choice sparked an unprecedented level of interest on the Retort. The first link broke the record for number of comments. She's the story of the moment, which cuts both ways for Repubs.

Then the Bristol Pregnancy threads which let us all know how she would act towards future Russian aggression against it neighbors...

None of those made the front page, except for the story where the Palins announced her pregnancy.

Let's see, there was the thread about her flying back to Alaska to have her baby... that's relevant to how she'll perform as VP.

It's completely relevant to her judgment in a crisis. It's also a story that she put out in the Alaskan press. No one would've known the details of her cross-country flight while in labor if she didn't give interviews about it, presumably to further her rep as a gritty Alaskan superwoman.

You're right; it IS relevant. It speaks of her judgement, and her willingness to put other lives at stake, as well as begs the question: did she know the danger and ignore it, or was she completely ignorant of her predicament?

No, you only want it to be relevant because she has the audacity to run against your messiah. She was in contact with her doctor. Absolutely no OB/GYN would consent to putting a baby at risk because of how easily they are sued nowadays. The baby was in no danger, and even after the 12 hour flight they still had to induce labor.

You're right; it IS relevant. It speaks of her judgement, and her willingness to put other lives at stake, as well as begs the question: did she know the danger and ignore it, or was she completely ignorant of her predicament?

Posted by Danforth

Now we have her gynecologist weighing in.

Questions to ask yourself:

How would it have gone over if the Dems had picked a very liberal governor, mother of 5, one of them with Down's syndrome and one of them pregnant? I think such a person would have been given credit for not having an abortion, but I also believe she would have been criticized for abandoning her family to run for VP and for allowing her unwed teenage daughter for becoming pregnant. No doubt the Rush Limbaugh's of the world would have blamed the feminazis in the Democratic party for promoting such a pick, but since Palin is a Republican all is forgiven, understood, praised and the issue of sexism and a bias media raised.

Would the GOP primary voters picked Palin for president if she had run against McCain, Rudy, Mitt et al this year? Would they not have mocked the Democrats if they had made such a pick, even more than they are now mocking Obama?

To me the fact that Palin's daughter is pregnant should trigger an investigation, not into Palin's daughter but into all the things that Republicans have said in the past about unwed teenage mothers being products of liberalism, secular humanism, broken homes, bad parenting and welfare, etc.

It's completely relevant to her judgment in a crisis.

It really isn't... she was having a baby. Not staring down Putin in some hypothetical nuclear crises. She was in touch with her doctors, and the fact that her water broke before labor started meant she had plenty of time.

"It speaks of her judgement, and her willingness to put other lives at stake, as well as begs the question: did she know the danger and ignore it, or was she completely ignorant of her predicament?"

Who are you to judge when and where a woman should have her own baby? There are some women who prefer to give birth in a bathtub. Are they all "ignorant of their predicament" as well? Does that "speak to their judgment?" Many women prefer to give birth at home. I suppose you have a problem with that as well - even though it's a decision you'll never have to make.

Would the GOP primary voters picked Palin for president if she had run against McCain, Rudy, Mitt et al this year?

Gal, this is hysterical...

Joe Biden the VP pick for Obama wasn't chosen by the DNC primary voters...

"Now we have her gynecologist weighing in."

My older brother is an OB/GYN, and a staunch Republican, an he's scratching his head about her choices. Most airlines require a doctor's permission for a woman to fly at that stage of pregnancy, and for good reason.

But go ahead, eschew science and embrace stupidity all in the name of party. It what the Republicans do best.

Hey, did I tell you the one about the properly inflated tires?

I think Dee Dee Myers has it about right...

"Unlike Barack Obama, whom McCain has so emphatically condemned as not-ready, Palin hasn't run for or served in the Senate. Nor has she run for president, which would have required her to think through and take positions on critical issues from the war in Iraq to the war on terror, from Iran's nuclear ambitions to the Russian incursion into Georgia, from the emerging power of China to the march of globalization. She hasn't debated tough opponents a dozen or so times or faced aggressive, often downright hostile reporters on a daily basis. Talk about untested. Her slim record undermines one of McCain's most effective arguments against Obama.

Clearly, McCain thinks Palin will help him among women, particularly those disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who are having so much trouble "getting over it." It just shows how clueless the McCain camp actually is. Unlike Clinton and Ferraro, Palin hasn't been a strong national voice on women's issues. She hasn't been at the barricades, fighting for women's health, equal pay, economic security. And she certainly hasn't had anything to say about the national-security issues that are also important to women across the political spectrum. Does the McCain camp really expect pro-choice Democratic and independent women to be swayed by a sleight-of-gender?"

My older brother is an OB/GYN

My wife is an orthopedic surgeon... doesn't mean they let me repair ACLs...

Most airlines require a doctor's permission for a woman to fly at that stage of pregnancy, and for good reason.

Well either she had it, or that particular airline didn't require it.

The baby wasn't in any danger.

Palin's stance on the issues should be the focus of discussion. Unfortunately, sex sells better. Something I think the Republicans were counting on when they picked Palin. The hope is that people, especially women, will focus on the scrunity of Palin's family (and get upset) rather than on her stance on the issues, something Republican strategist Mike Murphy has said will be "an anchor" for the McCain/Palin ticket in moderate and independent voters.

"Joe Biden the VP pick for Obama wasn't chosen by the DNC primary voters..."

The McCain camp put out an ad regarding Hillary:

"She won millions of votes. But isnt on his ticket. Why?"

Yet none of the (R) candidates who got "millions of votes" are on the ticket. That's as cynical as having two spots ready: one blasting Obama if he visits the troops, an one blasting him if he doesn't.

Whether the baby was in danger or not - it's her baby. Funny how a guy who supports abortion has a problem with a woman risking her unborn child's life.

And you're not a woman, or a doctor, which means you have little frame of reference.

Unlike Barack Obama, whom McCain has so emphatically condemned as not-ready, Palin hasn't run for or served in the Senate.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? We haven't had a senator win the presidency since JFK. How does voting, "Yes" or "No" prepare you for the White House?

She hasn't debated tough opponents a dozen or so times or faced aggressive, often downright hostile reporters on a daily basis

Sweet sassy-molassy when the fuck has Obama ever faced this situation?

Who are you to judge when and where a woman should have her own baby?

This is a woman who could start or prevent World War III, were something to happen to McCain. Her decision to fly across the country while in labor, after her amniotic fluid leaked, was reckless as hell -- and her pro-secession husband says the decision was so the baby would be a native Alaskan.

I would think it important to evaluate everything in the public record about her judgment. She put this flight in the public record.

If it's fair to admire Palin for having a Down syndrome baby, it's fair to judge her decision to fly in labor.

"do you actually believe Palin would have been chosen if she had a Y chromosome?"

Hmmm...a similar analogy comes to mind...

like the inexperienced democrat party candidate for POTUS.

"My wife is an orthopedic surgeon... doesn't mean they let me repair ACLs..."

I was repeating his opinion, dipshit.

"The baby wasn't in any danger."

Brave of you, to parade your ignorance so proudly.

The hope is that people, especially women, will focus on the scrunity of Palin's family (and get upset)

That's a great point, and may be why they didn't announce these types of things in campaign statements. Knowing how angry and batshit crazy the liberal left (especially bloggers) can be they hoped they would go to far in going after her personal life and family to get sympathy from women... pretty smart if it works...

"I was repeating his opinion, dipshit."

Oh. Well in that case, I know 12 OBGYN's and they all said it's fine. I suppose that disposes of this point entirely.

"you're not...a doctor, which means you have little frame of reference."

Comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? I asked an expert; what have you brought to the table?

"The baby wasn't in any danger."

Brave of you, to parade your ignorance so proudly.

#118 | Posted by Danforth

Well let's see here... the baby was born healthy without problems (except for the downs syndrome). So while there was certainly a risk, the baby obviously was in no danger.

Again- how are people who support abortion questioning her judgment when she supposedly put her unborn child at risk? Had she been a democrat and just aborted the baby, would that be okay?

Oh. Well in that case, I know 12 OBGYN's and they all said it's fine. I suppose that disposes of this point entirely.

#120 | Posted by joe

I know 4,302 and half are my first and second cousins and they all said, "its cool."

Whether the baby was in danger or not - it's her baby. Funny how a guy who supports abortion has a problem with a woman risking her unborn child's life.

Supporting abortion doesn't mean you have no interest in seeing children born healthy to parents who didn't choose abortion. I oppose the war in Iraq, but I still want our troops to succeed while they are there.

And you're not a woman, or a doctor, which means you have little frame of reference.

I never said I was either. But I am a parent of three, so I'm well-acquainted with the risks you face and the decisions that have to be made as you're bringing the child into the world. And as a parent, I think she's damn lucky nothing went wrong.

"Well in that case, I know 12 OBGYN's and they all said it's fine."

Oh, I get it: you have to lie to cover your ass. Typical.