I heard a sound clip on NPR this morning where the Alabama gov Reilly gave a rousing, 'thank you George Bush' type speech to the faithful at the RNC and not one single person clapped, not one.

Of course you will remember that Reilly is the one that took Sieglemans place as gov. after Bush/Cheney.Rove had siegleman thrown in prison. we haven't heard the last of that one yet. Nobody wants to prosecute it because it's gonna get a federal judge too.

Of course you will remember that Reilly is the one that took Sieglemans place as gov. after Bush/Cheney.Rove had siegleman thrown in prison.

Don't you mean he was convicted by a jury and sentenced to a prison term by a judge... you know, cuz that's what really happened...

As to cafferty, America is and sadly looks like it will always be a two party system and there will always be people on the left and people on the right... Win or lose in this election the GOP is going to get back to the things he says they've forgotten... And I'd look for them to bring on a of non-traditional candidates for the GOP...

Win or lose in this election the GOP is going to get back to the things he says they've forgotten... And I'd look for them to bring on a of non-traditional candidates for the GOP...

#3 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob I think your dead on. By looking a the age of the average attendees at the RNC last night, I believe after 8 years of BO the Repubs will have new blood (do to thinning of the herd) and new ideas. It's like flushing oil after it gets old and guey....

"Don't you mean he was convicted by a jury and sentenced to a prison term by a judge... you know, cuz that's what really happened..."

It is a frighteningly sad story most Americans know nothing about but it is a prosecution for purely political purposes.

"I believe after 8 years of BO the Repubs will have new blood (do to thinning of the herd) and new ideas."

You mean new ways of propagandizing people into voting against their own best interests.

you know, cuz that's what really happened...

#2 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

You're right, I only live there, what do I know.

"And I'd look for them to bring on a of non-traditional candidates for the GOP..."

#3 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-03 09:50 AM

YEAH!

Of course you mean "non-traditional candidates" as in the one just offered to sate the "evangelicals" thirst for revenge and desire to persecute the half of America they hate?

Sounds like Business as Usual for the GOP to me!

Tha Alaskan Hillbillies

Come and listen to a story about a lady named Palin,
So was so corrupt, alaskans are all ailin',
Then one day he was shootin at some pork,
And up came McCain, stuck on a fork.

Done he is, burnt toast, good riddance.

Well the first thing you know ol Sarah's a VP,
Kinfolk said "Sarah, what can you do for me?"
Said Washingtonny is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to DC.

Gov'ment, that is. Shady deals, big oil money.

Well now its time to say good by to John and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin helpin of their corruptibility

Hillybilly that is. Make a baby, Take your panties off.

Y'all come again now, y'hear?.

Danni I believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Rupubs might find their roots again wondering the desert and shed these old corrupt white men. Then again they might not...

So the horserace portrayed by the media is a charade? They're all a bunch of liars.

There is a body or work which suggests this but I don't see Obama as being a shoe-in, even though almost any homeless person whose dug ditches for me could outperform the Shrub.

Three huge risks:
1. The American people are simply too deluded to make sound decisions.
2. The elections are being rigged or results ignored.
3. Rubin, Greenspan and Paulson all dance for Goldman-Sachs (etal). Even if he wins, Obama is unlikely to change anything in a fundamental way. He owes Wall Street, just like Clinton and Bush.

I could not watch the RNC for very long. Last night I watch were McSame let the POW mantle go and some old vet took it up by introducing other POWs and medal of honor winners and father.

Then they went on to praise "NO Child Left Behind" despite teachers saying the program is a farce.

I turned away after that.

They are indeed in fairy tale land.

For four days, they will labor under the illusion their party is still relevant. It's not.

Posted by Lipzoidial

So why are the dems spending money to anoint king o? I guess it is a done deal and we shouldn't even have an election.

Why is the press atacking Shara and trying to make here look like an unelectable dupe? What are they afraid of?

You should wait until after the election to pat yourselves on the back. You can have a real good celebration then.

It is a frighteningly sad story most Americans know nothing about but it is a prosecution for purely political purposes.

#5 | Posted by danni

and your prof is???? Do you mean to say you don't have any proof again? That is getting to be an old story.

.....I tuned in for a while.......

....how opposite to the Dem convention........

.....it looked like a wake.......

cafferty and cnn, nobody watches that network anyway. cnn is on its way out.

cafferty and cnn, nobody watches that network anyway. cnn is on its way out.

#16 | Posted by cabo_vato

That's just plain stupid.... Fox has the market cornered on the far right side of the political spectrum while CNN, MSNBC and the majors split the rest...

From up here, it seems that both of your parties are irrelevant to the majority of constituents. They all do the same thing in the end, but hide behind different logos and ideological bluster that is as empty on the right as it is on the left. In the end, the middle class suffers, the rich get richer, corporations prosper and simple folk suffer.

Kudos to both parties though, for creating such a rift between americans that the real issues are never addressed, most people willing to vote for THEIR party, having bought into the ideological smokescreen that lost its substance many decades ago.

You should wait until after the election to pat yourselves on the back. You can have a real good celebration then.

#13 | Posted by Sniper

Snippy, don't balme me, I'm an independent. I wish both parties would self-destruct. This whole process is an exercise in legal bribery.

But on the other hand, I'm not a blind idiot. The repubs these days are looo-oooo-zaaaa-hhheerrrrs. and they deserve to loose because they have aligned themselves with base fanatical fringe elements.

I just happen to dispise those elements (fanatical talibaptists, old ignoramuses who think we can resurrect Ronny Raygun, rednecks, racists and big oil).

"From up here, it seems that both of your parties are irrelevant to the majority of constituents. They all do the same thing in the end, but hide behind different logos and ideological bluster that is as empty on the right as it is on the left. In the end, the middle class suffers, the rich get richer, corporations prosper and simple folk suffer."

I see these posts all the time claiming the two parties are the same....utter nonsense which Republicans would love for you to believe.

Remember Clinton....surplus....rising wages.....jobs created......no war.

Don't even try to tell me now that is the same that we have gotten from Republicans, it just ain't so.
There is a difference, an important big difference.
For those dissatisfied with the so called "two party system" go vote for a third or fourth party....support it, contribute to it, make it become a major party but please....quit whining.

You're right, I only live there, what do I know.

#7 | Posted by Lipzoidial

So president Bush just swooped in with his storm troopers, took him prisoner and threw him in jail?

Right...

He first had to be charged with a crime... fine, that I'll grant you very easily can be politically motivated. But then he had a trial right? Right... with a judge, right? Right. And he had legal counsel right? Right. And there was a jury, right? Right.

I could be charged with any crime on the books right now, but I wouldn't be convicted. He was convicted by a jury of his peers after a fair trial. Maybe politics got him to the trial, but his guilt got him to the prison cell.

"""Remember Clinton....surplus....rising wages.....jobs created......no war."""

Danni, just how much of that was circumstancial (sp)? Like it or not, clinton rode the dot com bubble for what it was worth. OK on the war thing, maybe the environment, but clintons success can in great part be attributed to being at the right place at the right time. Plus, the blood letting from the middle class started or was accelerated under clinton, the results being felt at the end of his mandate and also during bush's. An awful lot of jobs were sent overseas under his command and he essentially put the policies in place.

He was convicted by a jury of his peers after a fair trial. Maybe politics got him to the trial, but his guilt got him to the prison cell.

#21 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob, why don't you make a separate posting of this and i'll go dig up the data and show you how almost everything you said was incorrect.

One other fact you missed. After a review of the trial and the judge, by a judicial review board, the sentence was dropped and Sieglemean was released from prison, no probation, no nothing, just released.

I have never heard of that happening before, especially in alabama. That is as close as you can come to a trial judge being guilty of complicity and coercion.

Dig a little deeper and find Karl Rove's alabama connection from his early career and you will understand what happened.

"Maybe politics got him to the trial, but his guilt got him to the prison cell."

Rob do you actually know anything about the facts of the case??? Do you know what his "crime" supposedly was or who the prosecutor was???

Panchovilla, his tax increase was an important part of his balancing of the budget as was "pay as you go."
Bush and the Republicans passed the most irresponsible tax cut in American history according to what REPUBLICANS have written about it and also invaded Iraq....then I read idiotic excuses like 9-11 for our bad economy. It was entirely predictable and was predicted.
It is ridiculous to claim the Clinton economy was just dumb luck.

have any of you ever watched this guy on cnn?
he is the most bigoted and prejudiced and incredibly partison so called "REPORTER" that you could ever wish to see.
and his letters he reads.....dont EVEN try and tell me that there is not a single one sent in from conservatives, but to hear much, you would think there werent..........I know because I have sent in some but I dont ever expect him to put anything on exposing this fraud of a 'REPORTER"

and oh yeah.........I even used spellcheck when I sent them in...............and NO DOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you will remember that Reilly is the one

#1 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-09-02 01:25 PM | Reply

These posts that sound like a thirsty dog panting can get tiresome, but hey require a response ....

OK, dillbrain, much as you want this to be an anti-Bush campaign, it ain't gonna happen. Bush is irrelevant. He's not gonna be on TV or the radio.

All your lusting for a Osama v. Bush III contest is just stupidity.( I would think that you had figured out stupidity by now, but hey, you are still a Liberal).

Now, go cry in your cornflakes.

For while it looked as thought McCain would change the GOP into a less extreme version of what it became under Bush. Now that doesn't look like it will happen.

McCain's kooky impulsiveness to first want to tap Lieberman, and then to be scolded by Karl Rove and other GOP insiders into backing away from that notion, makes him look out-of-touch with the mainstream GOP. It also makes the mainstream GOP question itself -- Is it the party of racial and social fear mongering and divisiveness led by Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly? Is it the party of faux fiscal discipline and aggressive militarism, marked by Ronald Reagan's first term? Is it the more moderate internationalist party of Reagan's second term? Or is it the party of big oil favors and militant unilateralism and secret underground bunkers and creative interpretations of VP Executive powers of Dick Cheney's imagining?

Danni, Did you forget about Bosnia. I didn't because I was sent three times during the Clinton years.
That war was without UN approval also, but the Dems seem to forget that.

One other fact you missed. After a review of the trial and the judge, by a judicial review board, the sentence was dropped and Sieglemean was released from prison, no probation, no nothing, just released

From siegelman's wiki page:

On Thursday, March 27, 2008, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals approved the release of former Governor Siegelman from federal prison while he appeals his conviction in the corruption case. He was released on Friday the 28th.

and:

Danni, just how much of that was circumstancial (sp)?

True, some of it was "right place at the right time", but was has occured under Bush was very well thought out. Just look at the results.

Trickle down economics is STILL hailed as the prevailing economic model for Republicans. Does it benefit the middle class? No. It has widened the wealth gap by more than any time in US history.

This is the same model that has given us corporations that are experiencing historical profits at a time when unemployment is rising, prices increasing, less job creation, and stagnating wages.

Some say that the Republicans are "for" the wealthy. I say look at the results. Over the last eight years, how have the top 1% faired compared to the rest of us?

"Win or lose in this election the GOP is going to get back to the things he says they've forgotten..."

I don't think so. Because voters don't give a shit about that stuff anymore. How many people claim to be "conservative" but still voted for Bush, who is further from conservative than either guy he ran against? (I'm not saying those two fools were conservative, just closer than Bush) All these people who call themselves patriotic and who get pissed about a guy not wearing a flag pin have no problem with an administration that sends guys to war without a complete plan. The CIC can literally refuse to do his job properly job while we are at war and these people don't care as long as he has the right letter after his name. But they are "patriots". Voters are completely devoid of standards. People root for a side like a sports team and support it no matter what. As long as this is the case, politicians can rob us and otherwise fuck up with impunity. And if they can get away with it, they'll do it.

For the record, the DNC is just as bad.

"""Some say that the Republicans are "for" the wealthy. I say look at the results. Over the last eight years, how have the top 1% faired compared to the rest of us?"""

How did they fare during Clinton's reign? What was the economic trend for the middle class under his reign?

For the record, the DNC is just as bad.

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2008-09-03 11:54 AM |

Outstanding and well thought out retort.

OK, dillbrain, much as you want this to be an anti-Bush campaign, it ain't gonna happen. Bush is irrelevant. He's not gonna be on TV or the radio.

Now, go cry in your cornflakes.

#27 | Posted by vernon

WTF are you talking about? I want the criminals (bush/cheny/rove/card/libby/
rice) that raped and sold our country to go to jail. Since that can't happen (pre-immunity, whatever that is), I want to do what i can to expose their criminality and prevent more of them from obtaining office or immunity from crimes against the law and humanity.

That is all. That is why I am an independent and I will vote for Obama and the next democrat candidate until this batch of repubs are all dead, which should only take a few years.

"Danni, Did you forget about Bosnia. I didn't because I was sent three times during the Clinton years."

It was a NATO operation just as Afghanistan is and thus our allies are in Afghanistan while Iraq is not which explains our lack of assistance.
Big difference.

How did they fare during Clinton's reign? What was the economic trend for the middle class under his reign?

#33 | Posted by panchovilla at 2008-09-

and again talk of clinton being so great and no mention at all of a republican congress for virtually the entire time.........

and where do spending bills come from again?????

"have any of you ever watched this guy on cnn?
he is the most bigoted and prejudiced and incredibly partison so called "REPORTER" that you could ever wish to see."

From the perspective of someone who has cheered on the Bush administration as it took us into unnecessary wars, destroyed the economy, reduced freedoms, committed torture and illegally held people in Guantanamo....it probably would seem like Cafferty is just partisan....the truth probably does too.
Cafferty rocks.

I still remember...."Is Anna Nicole still dead??

"and where do spending bills come from again?????"

Plenty of them came from the Republican controlled House of Representatives until 2006. Seems under Bill Clinton the Republican "borrow and spend" Congress could be controlled but when Dubya took over things went out of control. HOw is that Bridge to No Where that Palin was for before she was against it? How is Jack Abramoff these days?

strange, the party of "Family Values", kinda like the "Democratic Republic of China" or is that "Democratic Republican of China"

word play I guess!

Don't you mean he was convicted by a jury and sentenced to a prison term by a judge... you know, cuz that's what really happened...

#2 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-09-03 09:46 AM

As we all know there has never been any influence of the Judges and the DOJ by this Administration, huh, Woobie?

and danni.

tom delay is about to have charges dropped.

Danni, as of Oct 15 2004 there were 28 other countries in the Iraq coalition, including Nato countries of Great Briton, Norway,The Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Portugal and many others.

What made Bosnia, a NATO operation, any different than Iraq except it was started by a Dem and Iraq was started by a Rep.

tom delay is about to have charges dropped.

#42 | Posted by bushlovertwo

Thus proving that the repubs are for law and order for everyone else, but they are exempt.

I wonder what makes them think they get to be exempt?

Rpub,

All the fucking lying, stealing and killing, that's what makes it different. Our allies are so sick of it, they've bailed out after realizing they've been had.

Like Cafferty has any relevance at all.

Like the Dems and Axelrod was not a complete delusion to package Obama.

And why is Soledad working?

She has four kids under the age of 10!

What is she thinking?

As we all know there has never been any influence of the Judges and the DOJ by this Administration, huh, Woobie?

#41 | Posted by donnerboy

Still had to go to a jury where he was convicted on I believe 7 counts.

Are you saying there was jury tampering? Do you have evidence to back up such a claim?

How did they fare during Clinton's reign? What was the economic trend for the middle class under his reign?

#33 | Posted by panchovilla

Cafferty has a point, though the headline isn't true. GOP has leaned into democratic views, though the Democratic party continues to lean further into Socialism.

Do you have evidence to back up such a claim?

#47 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob, the judge wouldn't allow the defense to enter anything into evidence. Then they never released the transcripts of the trial. As soon as they released the transcripts, Siegleman was released the next day!!!!

Why is it so hard for you to underatand that this is politically motivated? It has already been proven that laws were broken in the AG's firings. This was part of it.

I know you feel compelled to think that the people in our government cannot do something illegal, but you either have to accept this one fact or live in ignorance. I'm not gonna be around forever to educate you.

Cafferty was a Republican, and like many good Republicans, he wants his party back (Palin is alien to these Republicans).

bring back the party of Lincoln!

Why is it so hard for you to underatand that this is politically motivated?

Pretty sure I already said that many posts back.

What I also said and you've ignored everytime is that he was convicted on several charges by a jury.

Also you say he was released, but forget or ommit his convictions haven't been overturned and he's still awaiting his appeals.

God Bless Jack Cafferty. He is one of the few altruistic newsmen left. A gentlemen and a decent person

"Danni, as of Oct 15 2004 there were 28 other countries in the Iraq coalition, including Nato countries of Great Briton, Norway,The Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Portugal and many others."

But in truth only four Great Britain, Australia, Poland and Denmark actually participated in the invasion with us. Many others of the nations agreed to support roles though six did not even have a military. Turkey remains on the list despite reneging on its support before the war began and denying U.S. forces passage to its border with Iraq during the invasion.

As Michael Moore labeled it, it was ""The Coalition of the Coerced, Bribed, and Intimidated".

Jack Cafferty has been one of my favorite commentators on CNN but this opinion piece was garbage. Looks like ol' Jack is doing the typical liberal white males' mantra of "mea culpa, I'm so ashamed I was born a white guy I'll bash white men whenever I get the chance." Cafferty says: old white people aren't going to be in the majority very much longer (and isn't that who most of the Republicans are?) and "blah, blah, bash whitey." Doesn't Cafferty -- an old white man -- realize what a groveling fool it makes him sound? Err, Jack, looked in the mirror lately?

Say what you want about the Republicans, and how awful these last eight years have been under their Administration, blast away at them on their issues and policies and their positions, but to feel you have to grovel to minorities by bashing whites so you "look cool and pc" -- the usual tactic taken by both white liberal Democrat men and women -- well, it makes you sound pathetic, Jack. The minute I read "old white men" I stop reading. To me the rest of the post or opinion piece or whatever is racist garbage. Sad, Cafferty, you usually have something witty and of substance to say. Not this time.

What is it with you white Democrats who hate yourselves so much and have so little pride you must constantly bash your own ethnic group with derrogatory comments? I don't hear any other ethnic group beating up on themselves as well they shouldn't either. At least the different non-white ethnic groups have the proper pride in themselves and their culture and heritage and for who they are -- something sorely lacking when it comes to groveling white liberal Democrats for some reason.

"What is it with you white Democrats...Err, Jack, looked in the mirror lately? "

Yes, and he sees an old, white, Republican.

Blows your talking point all to hell, doesn't it?

When you have money, a microphone, work for a company with an agenda, you WILL spout whatever garbage gets you paid! This is the second time Cafferty tried to push this bull-shit onto the front burner, didn't work then, won't work now!

His limited vocabulary, unequaled ability to sell less than 30 books as an author (ranking up there with Pelosi), and inability to carry a full hour show (still working from Wolf's shadow) is the envy of all at CNN, except the two who are literate!

If the product was in print instead of film, we would have an abundant supply of toilet paper, inexpensive too!

This would really be embarrassing to that network, except they are in front of MS-NBC in 'the race for the bottom' for cable news programs overall! Hang in there, you'll win in the end, just keep trying!

#55 | Posted by CalifChris

Damndadee-damn-damn, chris. What article was you reading? I didn't read none of that shit in that article.

Please try to be objective or you'll end up an old white man, er...woman, whatever.

Lipzoidial

Damndadee-damn-damn, chris. What article was you reading? I didn't read none of that shit in that article.

Here -- I'll RE-post his quote taken directly from Cafferty's article which I put in my post.

Cafferty says: "old white people aren't going to be in the majority very much longer (and isn't that who most of the Republicans are?)...

Here's another one from his article I hadn't added to my previous post --

It is entirely fitting that the headliner for this masquerade is a feeble looking 72-year-old white guy who doesn't know how many homes he owns....

Err, how many references to "white guys" do ya need before my point is made?

Yes, and he sees an old, white, Republican.

Blows your talking point all to hell, doesn't it?

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-09-03 04:0

Link?

Not challenging you, but I looked myself and could not find any info as to what political party Cafferty belongs to. I also don't recall him ever saying what political party he belonged to when I'd hear him on CNN.

"Remember Clinton....surplus....rising wages.....jobs created......no war."

Well, actually Clinton escalated the ridiculous Drug-War...brought us NAFTA...did the military industrial complex proud in Bosnia AND Iraq...created the private prison industry.....

Slick Willie took care of his neocon benefactors teh same way McCain AND Obama will. Follow the money trail..or just keep playing the partisan game. That's what the One-Worlders want.

If it was 'The GOP Congress' who were responsible for the Clinton's success in jobs, surpluses, etc, then can someone please explain how when the GOP had Congress AND the WH federal spending exploded 40%, employment fell, and we're sinking in a mountain of debt.

I still think there is some relevance in the GOP however decreased in importance. If the Democrats fall totally on their asses, the GOP will come back with a vengeance. This would be with a great deal of reduction of the importance of the neo-con element.

They are down but not dead.

Something that would be a great source of embarrassment to the GOP is the large number of vacant seats in the convention center hosting the GOP Nominating convention.

Err, how many references to "white guys" do ya need before my point is made?

#59 | Posted by CalifChris

Sorry, i actually agree with you. I also believe that white people will not even be the majority voting block this election. I believe they will stay home.

Cafferty's correct.

The GOP is *neo*conservative, not conservative.

They talk the conservative talk but tax us just as hard and spend as much money as democrats. They get us into wars with the wrong people and feed government money to their pet corporations.

And what the hell is with the GOP bringing religion to the top of their platform? What ever happened to separation of church and state?

Real conservatives would be interested in what the constitution has to say about this.

Instead of fixing problems, both parties just attack each other and try to "win" (whatever that means) in the media. On the back side they are all getting paid off to give our tax dollars to corporations (like paying for Verizon's infrastructure). It's both parties.

They are all sucking the lifeblood out of this country's workers with ever increasing taxes and not giving them *anything* in return except good (and bad) speeches. Career politicians will destroy this country.

I'm voting for a real conservative, Mickey Mouse.

www.mickeyforpresident.com

At least he's likeable. The other candidates are a disaster. With all the corporate bailouts, they've even killed the essence of capitalism: Economic Darwinism. All on your dime.

If people had any sense they wouldn't vote for either of them. Our government is no longer working for *us*, we are working for *them* and it's just a stone's throw away from communism.

Corporations own this country and are funded by the state. We need to vote out every incumbent in office for this to change, especially the democrats and republicans.

/end rant

I'm glad Cafferty came out and said what he did. He's absolutely right (in more ways than one).

-Viz

Irrelevant? Come November, we will discover Cafferty couldn't have been more wrong.

Irrelevant? Come November, we will discover Cafferty couldn't have been more wrong.

#66 | Posted by Republican4ever

Bwaaa Haaaaa Haaaaaa

That's the sound of someone laughing in your face. Get used to it.