OK, OK, no pushing and shoving! There is plenty of room on this thread for all we Obama backers to show our support for his position.....

hello?

someone must be getting ready to poop in bho's cheerios?

Hell Corky, I'll give him credit.

His blog dogs will do his bidding.

Nanc what happened to your blog? I really liked visiting it.

Nice call BHO..."people's children are especially off-limits."...too bad the slugs supporting him aren't as classy.

But...spouses that are on the stump are fair game.

Yes, I would never ever attack a child of any politician.

Sincerely,

Rush Limbaugh.

So her daughter is pregnant and plans to marry. Barky's mom had him at 18 and she didn't get married.

"Nice call BHO..."people's children are especially off-limits."...too bad the slugs supporting him aren't as classy.

But...spouses that are on the stump are fair game.
#6 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-09-02 11:54 AM"

I guess you're not referring to THIS "slug", since I posted the following item TTHREE DAYS AGO:

"This (whether true or not) is NOT campaign material. Curiously, if true, it likely has a greater negative impact for those from "The Right" (and that's "telling", no?) than for others.

As for the whole freshness/experience debate: I suggest to the D's (and ALL, for that matter) to have the debates/interviews/etc. and let the chips fall where they may (for ANY candidate). IF there's a problem, I suspect FEW will have to be TOLD there's a problem.

Posted by TrueBlue at 2008-08-30 01:36 PM | Reply"

"So her daughter is pregnant and plans to marry. Barky's mom had him at 18 and she didn't get married.

#8 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2008-09-02 12:16 PM"

Maybe THIS is the kind of classy slug you were referring to. Wow, shirtsbyeric is a Obama supporter? Who knew?!

Obama has shown real class on this matter.

my only issues with palin have to do with

does she really think her ambition is more important then her family

good for her daughter for having the kid
good for the guy for manning up and marrying the girl

positives for palin

but.. the negative in this is, does palin have time to juggle 5 kids, a grandkid, a new son in law that has a lot to learn about life, a special needs child of her own.(autistic/downsyndrome ??) and the presidency if it falls into her hands?

Obama is just saying that he doesn't need to attack anyone's children to show America that our future is much brighter with him in the WH than with team McBush.

The irony of this whole situation has not been lost on me. sen. Obama is correct, the election should be about the issues and the character of the candidates.

My question is, if the situation where reversed, what would conservatives be saying about it? Isn't the conservative viewpoint "no birth control", no sex education except, "just say no", and no abortion? Doesn't it seem hypocritical to support someone who has failed one of these tenets (just say no)? Again if it where a liberal candidate who was dealing with this situation wouldn't the cons be all over it? Come on now, be honest...

this has really taken McCain off message, really smart, isn't it, gotta complement McCain!

Palin herself said she opposes funding sexual-education programs in Alaska. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.
Maybe that's the cause her daughter's predicament

Obama has shown real class on this matter.

#11 | Posted by anton at 2008-09-02 01:38 PM | Reply

Honestly, what other road could he take?

-He already threw a hissy when people focused on Michele while she was campaigning for him
-He made a big deal about how he was trying to keep his kids out of the public eye (both before and after having done so)
-McCain is known for displaying such overatures (sp)
-He can say whatever he wants, but it won't matter because of 527's and bloggers.

Look, Obama is a lot of things, but tone deaf isn't one of them. He did the only thing he could. I can't find it in me to give him kudos for doing what anyone else would do in the same circumstances.

-He can say whatever he wants, but it won't matter because of 527's and bloggers.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-09-02 01:47 PM | Reply

I don't disagree, particularly about your point I quoted above. But, I think it is a bit more personal to Obama than to some other pols because his family was/is so "nontraditional." Unfortunately, some of his scumbag supporters won't pay any attention to what he says.

OK, OK, no pushing and shoving! There is plenty of room on this thread for all we Obama backers to show our support for his position.....

FF for Corky.

You might get a better response if you post this on one of the threads where they're bashing Bristol Palin.

"I can't find it in me to give him kudos for doing what anyone else would do in the same circumstances.

Posted by 101Chairborne"

Does Sarah Palin, or her daughter get kudos for keeping their babies?

Honestly, what other road could he take?

-He already threw a hissy when people focused on Michele while she was campaigning for him
-He made a big deal about how he was trying to keep his kids out of the public eye (both before and after having done so)
-McCain is known for displaying such overatures (sp)
-He can say whatever he wants, but it won't matter because of 527's and bloggers.

Look, Obama is a lot of things, but tone deaf isn't one of them. He did the only thing he could. I can't find it in me to give him kudos for doing what anyone else would do in the same circumstances.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne

So Obama is standing by his principles, unlike those on the right that had no problems making family members 'fair game' (Michelle Obama) and are now crying (literally) over Palin's treatment.
I am continually amazed how comfortable the right is with hypocrisy.

I am continually amazed how comfortable the right is with hypocrisy.

#20 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2008-09-02 01:52 PM | Reply

I am continually amazed how comfortable the right and the left are with hypocrisy.

The only reason that Obama is attempting to call off the attack dogs is that he knows of his own vulnerability: He was born an illegitimate bastard himself, his brother in Kenya is living on $20 a year, his birth certificate from Hawaii was faked, his wife is not proud of America, his minister is a racist loon, and his best friend, William Ayers is a terrorist.

"He can say whatever he wants, but it won't matter because of 527's and bloggers."

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne

And we all know the voting public will conflate the two with Obama's campaign.

If he loses, he can thank the blog types for rousing sympathy for poor old McCain and working mom Palin.

Does Sarah Palin, or her daughter get kudos for keeping their babies?

#19 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-09-02 01:52 PM | Reply

Not from me. I don't get why we give kudos to people for doing things civilized people are supposed to do.

"Honestly, what other road could he take?"
those who use the term "Family Values" don't like Obama showing class, why is that?

those with real Family Values don't use the term "Family Values". Joe Biden and his children and grandchildren and the Obama family, so much family love there! Joe and his train story, devoted to his kids. That's real Family Values!

"Not from me. #24 | Posted by 101Chairborne"

Thank you for your honesty.

This is all much simpler than the wide-eyed Obama zombies are trying to make it.

In 1961 a young teenage girl named Ann Dunham got pregnant out of wedlock and ended up having a son named Obama.

This is just a can of worms he knows he better keep closed.

Good call, Anton. If anybody thinks only one party has hypocrisy, they are sorely mistaken.

So Obama is standing by his principles, unlike those on the right that had no problems making family members 'fair game' (Michelle Obama) and are now crying (literally) over Palin's treatment.
I am continually amazed how comfortable the right is with hypocrisy.

#20 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2008-09-02 01:52 PM | Reply

You get that Michele Obama was fair game because she was part of the campaign, right? You see a difference between a 17 year old on stage with mommy and a 40+ year old out running/headling campaign stops, right?

If you're looking for hypocricy in one party over the other than you're a retard.

"This (whether true or not) is NOT campaign material. Curiously, if true, it likely has a greater negative impact for those from "The Right" (and that's "telling", no?) than for others.

#9 | Posted by TrueBlue

Ahemmmm...sparky....you need to take a gander at most of the current threads.
Then go to some con sites.

"I can't find it in me to give him kudos for doing what anyone else would do in the same circurstances." 101 Chairborne

Anyone with a conscience. McCain's been doing it from Day One. It's straight out of the Rove playbook.
Do you ever get tired of being a hypocrite?

So, after we talk about Obama mother being an unwed teenager shall we talk about Obamas alcohol and drug abuse when he was a teenager. By his own admission he drank , used coke and smoked pot during high school.

I spent my last two years of high school in a daze..--

Barrak Obama, My Fathers Dream-- (unsure of correct title, didnt read the piece of crap)

McCain's been doing it from Day One.
#31 | Posted by igmoramus

Kudos for your choice of DR name.

On one hand, I've got to hand it to Obama for standing on the correct side of this issue. I agree with pretty much everything he said here. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past any candidate's campaign to put the stories out there, wait until they have their intended effect, then subsequently play "good guy" and pretend they don't advocate such tactics.

"So her daughter is pregnant and plans to marry. Barky's mom had him at 18 and she didn't get married.

#8 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2008-09-02 12:16 PM"

Maybe THIS is the kind of classy slug you were referring to. Wow, shirtsbyeric is a Obama supporter? Who knew?!

#10 | Posted by TrueBlue

Well I did vote for him.

Obama's position is consistent with what he's been saying all campaign long. It's one of the reasons that Democrats feared he wouldn't be tough enough on McCain in his acceptance speech.

"I can't find it in me to give him kudos for doing what anyone else would do in the same circurstances." 101 Chairborne

Anyone with a conscience. McCain's been doing it from Day One. It's straight out of the Rove playbook.
Do you ever get tired of being a hypocrite?

#31 | Posted by igmoramus at 2008-09-02 02:00 PM | Reply |

I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

-"Anyone with a conscience"...No, anyone that has the ability to decipher bad PR and the ability to recognize that he himself was the product of a teen pregnancy.
-McCains been doing it since day 1"...yeah, I know, that's why I typed as much. He denounces the BS, so what was Obama supposed to do?
-"It's straight out of the Rove playbook"...What is?
-"Do you ever get tired of being a hypocrite"...No, but what part of this thread did I display any?

I agree 100%.

Between the State Trooper firing, AIP, Wasilla's $20 million in debt, the hockey arena she screwed up, property tax breaks for the wealthy passed on to sales tax increases for the poor, the lobbying for $27 million in federal earmarks for 6700 people, the $6.1 million in fed money she got, the $200 million in earmarks she asked Sen. Stevens to get, the links to Abramoff...

I see absolutely no reason to talk about Palin's family at all. I suggest they go back to Alaska, she'll be along shortly. Either this week or in Nov, depending on how stubborn McCain is.

On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past any candidate's campaign to put the stories out there, wait until they have their intended effect, then subsequently play "good guy" and pretend they don't advocate such tactics.

#34 | Posted by JOE

Worked for Bush in 04.

As usual, 726's obsession with Bush rears its ugly head. Can you talk about anything else?

"Do you ever get tired of being a hypocrite?"
"No, but what part of this thread did I display any?"
Like talking to a wall.

Worked for Bush in 04.

#39 | Posted by 726

I don't like the two wrongs make a right strategy.

Especially when somebody is running on the idea of "change."

I can talk about what a corporate shill you are. Would that be better?

Okay, how about... it is working for McCain this time.

Are your boo boo feeling better now. Can we have a little smile through your tears?

726 once again demonstrates his inability to stay on topic within a thread. Corporate shill, John McCain, blah blah. Anything but Palin's conduct or Obama's comments - right?

YEAH!

Pregnant underage and unmarried daughter, husbands DUIs?

Not exactly the Beavers are they! So much for Family Values I guess!

Now for the most part I would agree that family-- should be off limits, however, family IS what the republicans have been espousing as their core value so in that context attacking their Family Reality is appropriate!

Its the GOP that has historically made hay out of Families and their predicaments so its in fact quite the Poetic Justice that its turned on its professed master!

Hagbard,

Neither do I. I have always said that when you wrestle with pigs you get dirty.

I hope that the Obama camp is not doing an end around and releasing all this crap only to come out and publicly deny it.

The sad truth is that both parties have enough militant members that these attacks and dirt politics will be done whether or not directed by the campaigns.

Now McCain promised a clean campaign in April. Now he is throwing mud just like the rest of the pigs.

It is good to see Obama stand up and tell the public to back off the families. Hopefully they will listen. I doubt it though.

I disagree Norm. I agree that BHO injected a little cless into the joint when he says back off the families.

But even though I intend to vote for him, I can disagree with him occassionally. This is one of those times.

If the family doesn't want to be 'vetted' up one side and down the other, DO NOT RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

There is a principal about dealing with a higher liablility for certain folks over others. For example you wouldn't expect 101chairborne to do as good a job as a brain surgeon when it comes to fixing a brain. So the surgeon, in this case is held to a higher standard of liability.

When she threw her hat in the ring, it's an invitation to see, exaxctly who is that that we are about to bestow power upon, thus holding them to a higher standard of liability.

You automatically know something is wrong when they don't even live their lives like they want to make you live yours.

BHO will not be singing this song when Rove gets done with him.

Oh poor Joe. Wipe away those tears. Can we have a smile little soldier?

"Not exactly the Beavers are they! So much for Family Values I guess!"

Who are the Beavers?

Like talking to a wall.

#41 | Posted by igmoramus at 2008-09-02 02:22 PM | Reply

In other words you can't answer the question.
Look, I get it. Some of you turds see my name and have to respond. Most, like you, have no idea what they're talking about.

For example you wouldn't expect 101chairborne to do as good a job as a brain surgeon when it comes to fixing a brain.
Posted by Lipzoidial

When the surgery requires all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, I'm sure he's an excellent surgeon. perhaps one of the best.

And here is the scoop on Bristol baby's father--

"And the reason for Obama keeping families out is that Biden's son Hunter and Biden's brother James have some moral torpitude problems and wants to keep that out of the news."

"Looks like they were engaged before all this was out in the open."

Do they have a picture of her 22 gauge, er, uhm, 22 carat engagement ring?

Just posting the article San--

22 carat is really BIG.

Not even Elizabeth Taylor or the Queen has something that BIG.

;o)

"22 carat is really BIG."

I meant gold, not diamond. That would be too humongous to lift her hand.

I was thinking she'd need a wheelbarrow to drag that thing around with.

I'm sure its as big as Jamielyn Spears' ring.

"And get off Palin's mom. I know I just did....."

-Obama

.....what kind of a mother would raise a little whore like Bristol anyways ?......

....women who have sex are whores....

...sincerely...
..skizziks..

Obama is just saying that he doesn't need to attack anyone's children to show America that our future is much brighter with him in the WH than with team McBush.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2008-09-02 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

....and whatever a hero of mine says, I'm a buyin'. OMG I can't wait for Hugo to say something....ANYTHING today!

Posted by danni

******....women who have sex are whores....

#59 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE********

........her mother should have taught her not to swallow.......

........but then maybe she was practicing to be a Young Republican.........

I'd like to think that Obama asks the attack dogs to relent based on some moral code, but I suspect it is more in response to quickie polls that show the mud slinging is hurting him more than it is helping. I hope the Dems keep pounding the attack on the minor child of Sarah Palin. It shows true colors, and will inevitably come back to haunt Obama.

"The only reason that Obama is attempting to call off the attack dogs is that he knows of his own vulnerability: He was born an illegitimate bastard himself, his brother in Kenya is living on $20 a year, his birth certificate from Hawaii was faked, his wife is not proud of America, his minister is a racist loon, and his best friend, William Ayers is a terrorist."

Come forth blowhard and back that up.

Betcha can't do it.

I hope the Dems keep pounding the attack on the minor child of Sarah Palin. It shows true colors, and will inevitably come back to haunt Obama.

#63 | Posted by SE4NY6969

I haven't heard any public attacks from any democrats. I've heard them ask the question, "How would republicans have reacted if Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant?"

So, answer that question. If you're capable of being honest with yourself then you know the answer.

RastaCyborg,

They would handle it the same way they did Gores kid in 2000 with the drug thing. They ignored it.

They would handle it the same way they did Gores kid in 2000 with the drug thing. They ignored it.

Which was pretty much the reaction when Ted Kennedy's son was involved in that auto accident a couple of years ago.

Which was pretty much the reaction when Ted Kennedy's son was involved in that auto accident a couple of years ago.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-09-02 04:21 PM | Reply

The one where he was hammered?

"The only reason that Obama is attempting to call off the attack dogs..."
Hey MISTA KURTZ, that was FWTHOM's post, did you really expect something intelligent? That would be a big surprise! The odds of an intellegent comment from him is higher than the odds of winning the lottery!

when did being single and pregnant become a bad thing to liberal dems.why just 2 weeks ago the super woman was single with kids working one or two jobs and doing it all without any problems.tell me what does a v.p. do that takes up so much of their time?they may be home all day who knows,after elected they just disappear.

"The odds of an intellegent comment from him is higher than the odds of winning the lottery!"

#69 | Posted by onna

Those with glass houses and all...

lol

when did being single and pregnant become a bad thing to liberal dems.

No, no, it's a bad thing to the righties! but only if pregant girl is a lib! Got it?

"No, no, it's a bad thing to the righties! but only if pregant girl is a lib! Got it?"

#72 | Posted by onna

Well then, the whole things is a non-issue. Righties don't have a problem with it because she's not a lib, and lefties don't have a problem with it regardless of ideology, so then no one has a problem with it. Got it, thanks.

Got it, thanks. (wow, someone got it)
your welcome

i've got no problem with anybody getting pregnant you see i have four kids by three different single women and hope to have more.

Good work, SEM. You're entering Shawn Kemp territory.

Shawn Kemp is now my new role model,thanks.

Read that link, SEM. It's a hoot.

Classy, Barak.

Unlike many here.

D-bags here..

Are..

Just..

Assy.

oohrah,i'm worried about how you spend your time,but i do see the humor.Shawn Kemp a man of principles.

***** the attack on the minor child of Sarah Palin
.....#63 | Posted by SE4NY6969 ******

.......a minor child ?.......a seventeen year old who sleeps around is a minor child ?........

.......what about the black 18 year old boy who got a consensual blow job from that 17 year old girl and got a ten year jail sentence down south.........I forget the name of the boy.......

......should Bristol's hockey stud be sent to jail also ?.......

age of consent in Alaska is 16
age of consent in Georgia is 18
Nice Try

good job Senator Obama. I've been a critic of his political savvy or lack thereof, but this statement shows he and his advisors are learning.

Good man with the correct attitude, til the little pregnant braod has Americas poicies in her hands, get out of the picture and leave the discussion to the adults, Obama and McCain

I read this stuff and just have to laugh - even the Libs are fascinated with the McCain/Palin ticket... Since the announcement what has been the underlying issue is that Barry's guys got sucker punched and are bleeding profusely. They're staggering and swinging at everything and just like the "punch drunk" idiot at the frat party they come off looking like assholes; moreover, Barry's acting like the girlfriend trying not to get hit (by the boyfriend) while fending off the jabs from the rest of the party.

So far we have.

1) How can she care for her 5 kids (one with DS) and a new grandchild as VP? Laughable, you sexist pigs.
2) Barry doesn't want his kids "burdened" with a child, Palin sees this child as a "gift" (Guess Barry was told he was a big burden by someone.? I'm just curious was it because he was a half-breed or a bastard child in the 70's? Our family had to put up with a lot in the 80's from the same thing on both counts and in the South to boot!)
3. McCain's folks didn't properly vet Palin. Am I supposed to believe Alan Colmes on this? Really!? That's like asking Thomas Sowell to give some insight on the inner workings of the Barry/Biden machine isn't it?
4. Palin used her office to try and have her ex brother in-law fired. Let's try to focus on the real issues folks - Walt Monegan has an axe to grind and is not the most credible source for a "scandal" - maybe he got fired because he refused to execute his role in a cabinet position and reduce his department's spending? just maybe.

You guys are sweating bullets. Breath...relax... say it with me. "At least there will be a speaking tour and another book deal."

Stick = Poke.

I commend Osama for taking this stance.

The Clintons took "the politics of personal destruction' to a new low, opening the door for people like Karl Rove.

It's interesting, though, that it's the freaks on the Left who try to get the most mileage out of these sleazy stories.

When someone notes that Osama is inexperienced, the standard response is "trollup" "cunt' and 'crippled wife'

"Well then, the whole things is a non-issue. Righties don't have a problem with it because she's not a lib, and lefties don't have a problem with it regardless of ideology, so then no one has a problem with it. Got it, thanks."

#73 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Very True

"2) Barry doesn't want his kids "burdened" with a child,..."

#85 | Posted by 2fast4u

I have found that this is as much a non-issue for pro-choice supporters as it is an issue for pro-life supporters. Thus it makes little difference either way.

So two non-issues, lets move on.

So two non-issues, lets move on.

#87 | Posted by median1 at 2008-09-03 08:39 AM | Reply

If Lefties keep beating this dead horse it indicates only one thing: they are running scred about Palin, and are desperate to find something -- antying -- to stick.

Remember that it was the Clintons who invented the politics of personal destruction.

"Remember that it was the Clintons who invented the politics of personal destruction."

Posted by vernon

You misspelled Karl Rove, imbecile.

"Remember that it was the Clintons who invented the politics of personal destruction."

What kind of history-impaired idiot makes a statement like that? Has he never heard of such victims/targets of politically-motivated personal destruction like Helen Gahagan Douglas, Zero Mostel and Fred Fisher?

Only a fool blinded by partisanship would claim that the Clintons "invented" the politics of personal destruction.

"politics ain't beanbag" - Finley Peter Dunne

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.--

Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

At least one candidate in this election has any class.

Hint.... it ain't McCain.

some definitions : Birth Control
Democrat's definition: use condom, use "pill"
Republican's definition: abstain, whack off while looking at porn, suck cock

Well it is an issue with my family I have now got to fight the battle even more becuase of Palins family values. I have to reinerate to my teen daughter thats its not ok to be pregnant at 17. So yes it has a relevence to my family and thats the point these frikken politicians just dont get. So if peoples familys are off limits I suggests these goons on the Left and the Right stay the hell out of my familys biddness. Because of McSames choice for Veep it's now a prevelent issue at my kitchen table! So both of these goons should think about American familys and get off thier narsasistic horse's I think there both idiots and wonder where that leaves the 10% of us who GET IT?

well this PHONEY POLITICIAN has at least the balls to go against his liberal media lapdogs on this subject and I hope he was being truthfull when he said he would fire anyone who did........I guess you had better look into cnn because they are literally dripping with excitement over talking about it and making it an issue.

and I understand because he was born of a teenage mother as well...........and as I said on the other thread....I am virtually certian that on
"obama revealed" on cnn they said that he was born 7 months after his parents marriage.
if I am wrong on that I apologize and dont mean to use a rumor but I remember going....

YES USING MY FINGERS...

lets see.......1....2.....3.....4..
..5.....6.....7....8.....9....
.and then saying.........ooooooohhhhhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

"age of consent in Alaska is 16"

Well, that let's hockey boy off the legal hook for shooting his puck into the Bristol team goal. No doubt though he is in the moral penalty box.

Though I'm a bit surprised at the various high profile christian orgs, such a Focus on the Family, who, while praising the child for opting to not abort, are not commenting on the blatant immorality of this girl allowing the shooter to get the puck into her net. Should have kept her shin guards together, not spread apart.

"(wow, someone got it)
your welcome"

#74 | Posted by onna

You didn't get it.

Congratulations.