McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites...

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.

So, what have these people got against birth control?

I suppose the good news is Palin wasn't writing a book about family values.

The story of this woman and her family gets better and better and more and more like a comic strip every hour.

I don't suppose the daughter had made the "pledge" about sex before marriage, by any chance? Or the father?

It's just going to be a little shotgun wedding.

That's something we Southerners can understand.

Here's the deal. The righties will be on here shortly to drag this down as an abortion debate, and that is nothing but a distraction. The real issue is that a 17 year old shouldn't be pregnant in the first place, and abstinance only education is a horrible failure.

Yes, the issue is that Palin supports abstinance only education, and couldn't keep her own daughter from getting pregnant out of wedlock. And that is exactly what she wants to foster upon the entire nation. A known failed policy that she couldn't even effectively administer to her family.

If abstinance only worked, Bristol wouldn't be pregnant. The only thing abstinance only does is deny birth control to teens who are going to have sex anyway. It creates more teen pregancies, the pre-requisites for abortion.

Now it's great that Bristol has a loving family and has the financial support to keep the baby, and that daddy is going to marry her.
But most girls aren't going to be that lucky. And when they get pregnant because a McCain/Palin administration has banned birthcontrol, abortions will increase.

The repeatedly proven failure of abstinance only education is a major reason why I have no interest in supporting a Republican candidate.
This isn't about Palin's daughter, it's about Palin's judgement.

These bumpkins are looking weirder than the Addams family every day.

So, what have these people got against birth control?

#2 | Posted by Zed

jesus will slap you silly if you even think about birth control.

haven't you been paying attention to the experts (the pope and other celibate men, the prez and other impotent men, talbibaptists and others that shouldn't breed under any circumstances.)

WTF is Sarah Palin hiding in her hair?

I wonder when the "young man" will marry Bristol? Before or after the election? The point of waiting would be? Well, to be cynical, the point of waiting is to see if you can evade it.

I see my stalker, Ray, has arrived.

I wonder if Sarah Palin, "Miss Whale Blubber 1994" runner up, wishes she HAD been for sex education and birth control.....

Oh, the irony.

Soon, TonyRoma will come along and apologize for his cut-and-pasting of all the other disinformation from the past two days.

Or not. Why let facts get in the way of some good Obamite talking points?

Palin Almost Recalled As Mayor

Seems that Palin honed this skill back as Mayor of Wasilla, where she was nearly recalled, for firing the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting her in her 1996 race for Mayor.

Yes, that's right. Hack n' Sack Sarah didn't even try to hide it. She didn't say the Police Chief and Library Director were doing a bad job. No, she fired them for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern" (i.e., not endorsing her for Mayor).

And when they get pregnant because a McCain/Palin administration has banned birthcontrol, abortions will increase.
* * * *

LOL. What a retard. More BS regurgitated from the NARAL crowd.

I love the way the lefties get so hysterical about abortion rights, as if any administration would be able to ban birth control, or abortions.

Carry on, though. You're funnier this way.

"As if any administration would be able to ban birth control...."

Are there condoms in Alaska?

Since John McCain has called Sarah Palin his 'Soulmate'(after having been with her for a total of 3 hours in 6 months), does this mean he's some kind of an great uncle/granddaddy to Bristol's baby? I'm not sure how that kind of thing works up there in Alaska.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian
Tsk tsk. I must have hit a sore spot.

If I am wrong, I will never post on this blog again.

That is how serious and completely confident I am of my assessment of this flow of historical information. I don't boast or make wild claims. This is all too very real.

Palin was so deep into the conservative ethos of no-sex-before-marriage that she lied about and covered-up her own daughter's teen pregnancy for the sake of her political standing....

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-08-31 08:17 PM

FRONT PAGE PLEASE!!!

"Tsk tsk. I must have hit a sore spot."

You've posted nothing but personal attacks on this thread. Looks like you're the one that has a sore spot. I've better things to do than waste time on your nonsense.

p.s. How much money have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

I'm glad Bristol has the love and support of her family, that's expected and proper.

My question is: If the child was aborted-still love and support? If not, why not?

I second SITDOWN's "FRONT PAGE"

Gee, if Miss Whale Blubber runner-up had been paying attention to what her daughter was doing maybe this wouldn't have happened.

Sarah Palin's pregnancy as she was elected Governor was irresponsible too.

But, when you don't believe in birth control - even for married couples - shit happens

Right?

"Had been paying attention to what her daughter was doing...."

My wife just pointed out Dr. Laura states much the same thing all the time: It's selfish for a parent to take time away from their family for any reason, and when they do just look what happens.

How much have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

Seeing that the lefties are so understanding and compassionate how long is it going to take the malicious rumormongers to apologize for spreading that vile innuendo that Palin "faked" her pregnancy to cover her daughter's pregnancy and she is really the grandmother? THAT should have been the FIRST thing out of your mouth.

I like what I've heard about Sarah Palin so far but John McCain still bothers me but not for the reasons you lefties seem to think make a difference so as of now I'm still not voting for him. However if I hear too much more contrived wishful BS about either Palin or McCain from the left I'll vote for him as will millions of other Americans.

Too bad 0bama's pledge to "take the high road" so to speak hasn't reached his minions on the DR.

BTW this will be the 10th Presidential election I have voted in and IF I vote for McCain the 2nd time I have voted Republican so dont bother trying to label me partisan - that shoe is on YOUR foot.

That Bristol is one tough cookie. Her dad couldn't get her to stop the video camera when she was 5 or 6 years old (see other thread)

I love the way the lefties get so hysterical about abortion rights

Oh yes, Righties don't get hysterical about abortion at all. What is Palin's qualification for VP, besides her pro-life stance?
If Palin was pro-choice, the conservative outrage would have already booted her off the ticket, and you know it.

If the plan isn't to ban birth control and abortion, then what does it matter what the VP's personal beliefs are, if it has no bearing on policy? The GOP orgasm over Palin betrays your claim.

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?
I absolutely love it when these Evangelical Hypocrites get caught up in their preaching "Do as I say, but not as my family does".

"Teenaged mistake...."

1) Teens should not have sex, period. Parents should enforce that as humanly possible, period.

2) If teens DO have sex, they should use birth control, period.

3) If you're a teen and have sex but don't use birth control, a reasonable assumption is you wanted the kid before you got into bed.

Bristol can always name the little bugger John. McCain's reckless pick of Palin will make Bristol's baby the most famous baby in America for a time. He is, after all, Sarah's 'soulmate' (his own words)

Wonder if they'll get married with her preggers or after.

"..dont bother trying to label me partisan"

says Gimme a Scotch, but all he does is make derogatory remarks about "the lefties"

I for one couldn't care less who he votes for.

How much have you donated to the Von Mises Institute?

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

A hundred dollars a year goes to:
Antiwar.com
Mises Institute - Mises.org
LewRockwell.com
Foundation for Economic Freedom - fee.org
The Future of Freedom Foundation - fff.org

I recommend anybody who cherishes freedom to donate to these worthy causes. They among are the best sites that inform us on the evils of government. Sadly they are out matched by the Mainstream Media.

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

GIMME A SCOTCH

Huh? She's 17. It was a parental mistake.

Since he mom doesn't believe in birth control (even for married couples), sex education, and was more concerned with being a politician than being a mother who had a clue where her daughter was or if she was it was a glaring parental mistake.

You right wing nuts are a friggin' hoot !!

Gotta love the lefties here belittling a family which chooses to stand behind their child for making a teenaged mistake and trying to make the best of it.

GIMME A SCOTCH

Huh? She's 17. It was a parental mistake.

Since her mom doesn't believe in birth control (even for married couples), sex education, and was more concerned with being a politician than being a mother who had a clue where her daughter was or if she was using birth control (which Miss Whale Blubber runner-up doesn't believe in) it was a glaring parental mistake.

You right wing nuts are a friggin' hoot !!

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah.

Spud swears to gawd that the graveyard guy down at the local 7 Eleven prolly went through a more serious vetting process than Sarah "Clowncar" Palin.

Too funny.

Be Well.

/More on topic?

Kudos to Miss Palin and hubster fer not shunning their 17 yo pregnant daughter. Unfortunately fer her she loses all those kudos and them some fer being such an anti-contraceptive/ anti choice individual in her political and private life.

//'Kay?

"If I am wrong, I will never post on this blog again.
That is how serious and completely confident I am of my assessment of this flow of historical information. I don't boast or make wild claims. This is all too very real."
#459 | Posted by tonyroma at 2008-08-31 08:17 PM |

The silence would be golden but Tony will renege on his promise using some feeble excuse. But that's almost OK his 0bamanizing makes him the best shill McCain/Palin could hope for on the DR.

And BTW Tony the "fact" you were pushing was that Sarah wasn't pregnant and the baby wasn't hers but actually her daughters. NOT that her daughter was pregnant NOW.

And AU I bet it's only a "parental mistake" to you cause Palin is a Republican but if she wasn't you'd be saying "Shit happens". Hypocrite!

what else do you expect them to do?

GIMME

BS. Palin wasn't up to the task of balancing motherhood with being a politician.

This is just to much fun for A "Labor Day".
I just love it when any Republican gets caught with their pants down, but in this case with their panties down.

I said from day one, after reading McCain picked her as his VP, I thought Sarah Palin should have been spending her time at home raising her five kids (the last child a special needs infant) -- rather than running around as Alaska's "Political Queen."

Oftentimes teenage girls have gotten pregnant as a cry for attention they didn't feel they were getting at home. If Sarah Palin had her baby last June, then her now 5-months pregnant daughter had gotten pregnant when her own mother was 7 months pregnant. Did the daughter ever get any attention from her mother? Was her mama ever home long enough to listen to any of her daughter's concerns, even get to know the boys her daughter was dating?

Sarah Palin is selfish and self-centered. She chose to have five kids and she was fortunate in that she has a husbsand who could support them all while she stayed home and raised their children. But apparently Palin likes being in the limelight a little too much.

There's no excuse why she needed to hold political office all over Alaska as she's done since her all five of her kids were very young. Sarah Palin wasn't a single mom or in a household where both parents needed to hold down jobs to put food on the table. She is needed at home, she has five children to raise. Now with her 5th child being special needs infant, she's needed at home more than ever -- not running all over the country campaigning to be VP of the USA.

When you choose to have five children, then you owe it to your children to give them (and your marriage) all of your time -- not spend at least 1/3rd of each day in political office.

Maybe if Sarah Palin had been home a little more often when her now-pregnant 17 year old daughter needed a mother to talk to....?

"BS. Palin wasn't up to the task of balancing motherhood with being a politician." AMERICANUNITY

Funny AU if she was a Dem you'd be defending her admit it.

You other folks making it sound like it's a crime not to use birth control where's the CHOICE? I myself have nothing against preventive birth control but I respect a person's right not to use it if they're willing to deal with the consequences which it appears the Palins' are. If I'm getting this right choice is "good" only if it agrees with YOUR choice? Hypocrites!

Yeah Chris damn those women libbers who think they can balance motherhood and work! The nerve to think they have the right! [satire y'all]

So now you're a closet Neocon and bible thumper Chris?

what else do you expect them to do?

#42 | Posted by mariachi at 2008-09-01 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said on the other thread, apparently, according to the left, she was supposed to set her daughter on fire or something.

Let's go down the checklist of things decent parents do when one of life's unfortunate little incidents comes up.

Loving their child, no matter what happened? Check

Not throwing her out on her ass? Check

Encouraging the father to own up? Check

Being outraged that pompous assholes are invading her daughter's privacy? Check

Being adult enough to own up to the facts? Check

Seems like, once more, Palin is doing the RIGHT THING here. Frankly, I am not seeing the hypocrisy everyone keeps accusing her of. She encouraged her daughter not to have premarital sex. The daughter didn't listen.. as kids are periodically wont not to do.. and the daughter got pregnant. As their family, retardedly, believes that all sex is only for procreation.. well.. I don't see the contradiction here. I see how an idiot mentality made what woulda just been premarital sex a pregnancy.. but I don't see Palin doing anything wrong in the aftermath of what happened. She has her standpoint on things, and, regardless of how we thinks she should raise her family, or how she thinks we should raise ours: it's nobodys damned business but the persons involved! It's all well and good to point out that she, PERSONALLY, doesn't like birth control, but last I checked she didn't raise a finger to try to make it illegal, ever.

I do, however, see the Left acting like the flying monkey right about this. If this is any of our business, then so was where Clinton deposited his semen.

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?

His staff says he did. I guess he just wanted to cover it up. Of course, when Mommy tells her little girl daddy isn't much of a man anymore, anything can happen...

Is there anything, anything at all, that the right can't swallow whole, regurgitate, chew up and feed to themselves again as something more wholesome to that imaginary America that they all inhabit?

Did Grandpa McCain know about Bristol's Indiscretion before he chose the Hockey mom?

I'd guarentee the answer is NO

I hate this situation.. its not uncommon these days, but its not good.. .. It is interesting how the supposedly caring liberals are all set to pile on and condemn everyone involved, but somehow the Clinton and Kennedy escapades are excused. Double standards anyone?

I wish my fellow Dems would stop frothing over this story. She is a 17 year old child having a child. Let's leave this kid's judgement and the personal judgement of Sarah Palin in this situation alone. I think by Dems continously harping on it and making it personal will only cause a back lash. It will only help the Repubs by making people feel sympathy for this kid and her mother - whether it's deserved or not.

The real point of this, and what everyone should be focusing on is that Sarah Palin clearly was not vetted by the McCain camp. That in itself should speak volumes about McCain's judgement.

Does anyone else besides me think something is very odd here?

Wouldn't McCain picking a female VP with all the proper conservative creditials he needed to grab the evangelical vote (who previously were not in McCain's camp) but now due to "unfortunate circumstances" he has to drop her name from the ticket still prove very advantageous to him? Could that have been the motive all along?

McCain can now boast - "See, I'm all for the strict evangelicals' conservative values and I even picked one to be my VP" knowing all along she would have to be dropped from the ticket.

Was McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as his VP merely a temporary "smoke and mirrors" trick to move the evangelical far right voters solidly into his corner (a group previously not thrilled with McCain) and when she possibly is removed from the ticket McCain can move on to picking his REAL choice for VP?

I feel sorry for the girl. entering a marriage at 17 is a recipe for disaster.

"You're one of the dumbest fucks on this site, an equal to Danni."

Huh?

Danni can whup both your asses!

Agree with #53.

Piling on this kid, who must feel awful, considering her family background, is mean, wrong, and counterproductive.

It's something the GOP would have done had, say, Chelsea, gotten pregnant.

Let's be better people.

I don't see anybody piling on "this kid".

The issue, as so often, is hypocrisy about sex.

Good point #57. The right would have been slobbering over every detail they could discover or invent. They know that, America knows that. The Sexual Harasser and He Who Visits The Dominican Republic With Somebody Else's Viagra would have been positively nauseating with their holier-than-thou acts.

first the hurricane stealing uncle dick and the boy blunder's thunder. now this.

it's called karma and she can be a bitch.

GIMME

Birth control is one of THE very best and most effective abortion preventives there is.

Palin can't have it both ways.

"The right would have been slobbering over every detail they could discover or invent. They know that, America knows that."

And now America knows the left is just as hypocritical as the right they mockingly scorn.

I love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting.

None of you even has a clue as to how involved, or uninvolved, Sarah Palin is in regards to rearing her children.

Fortunately, she appears to have a loving and supportive husband.

What I find so funny about this is that the left is all of a sudden so opposed to working moms - which is a cause that lefties normally champion.

Hopefully these types of criticisms won't be limited to the blogosphere. Hopefully, we'll see some 527's, or even better, some prominent Democrat make this type of accusation.

Norm,

The repeatedly proven failure of abstinance only education is a major reason why I have no interest in supporting a Republican candidate.
This isn't about Palin's daughter, it's about Palin's judgement.

FACT: Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed.

Don't take that as a support for abstinence-only sex ed.

Gimme --

Yeah Chris damn those women libbers who think they can balance motherhood and work! The nerve to think they have the right! [satire y'all]

So now you're a closet Neocon and bible thumper Chris?

#47 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2008-09-01 02:31

FIVE kids, Gimme, she chose to have FIVE kids.
She didn't have to work. She didn't choose to have just one or two children and her career but FIVE kids. That many children are hard enough to balance and give each one individual care they would need when you're not working let alone choose to be a full time politician which often requires even more of your time than an 8 hour workday. How dumb are you that you can't see working full time outside the home when you have FIVE kids that at least one or more of your children are going to be shortchanged for needed quality time with their mother. duh.

And never call me a "Neocon" -- that's a cuss word in my book.

Jeffj- I think the "palins daughter was pregant, not sarah" story is bullshit. And beneath reporting.

However...a VP's 17 y/o daughter getting pregnant and married IS a story.

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

FACT: Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed.

FACT: Abstinence only pregnancy rates are even worse. Yes, I know you believe(as I do) that BOTH should be taught together, but I wanted to get that fact out there too.

What I find so funny about this... - JeffJ

I doubt that you find any of it "funny".

"What I find so funny about this is that the left is all of a sudden so opposed to working moms "

Do you also find it funny that the right suddenly doesn't care about out-of-wedlock pregnancy?

"Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed."

Correlation is not causation. One could just as easily blame abstinence education, especially if it comes with misinformation:

"A report last week by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., found 11 of the 13 most widely used programs contain misinformation. He said they underestimate the effectiveness of condoms in preventing pregnancy and the spread of disease, exaggerate the prevalence of emotional and physical distress following abortion, blur science and religion or get fundamental scientific facts wrong."

Jeffj- Palin is a member of "femisinsts for life" that group opposes contraceptives even for married folk.

Also is against abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

FFL classifies some 40% of BC methods as abortion!

Love your conspiracy theory at #54, Chris. All too convoluted for me, I'm afraid.

Could McCain be that devious? He's a terrific actor if he isn't the impulsive loose cannon that he appears to be.

Is America that into Oprah and Doctor Phil where they'd form a collective lovefest about the redeeming qualities of forgiveness? Well, there is Born-Again-Bush who renounced alcohol and probably cocaine at forty years old or thereabouts. So, maybe.

FIVE kids, Gimme, she chose to have FIVE kids.

with a husband who sounds like a wuss.

Jeff

Newsworthy flag for danforth.

Well Chris your posts in this thread scream "Neocon". Live with it.

it's tougher in alaska.

love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting.

There are 24 hours in a day.
Palin chose to spend more than 8 of those hours as a politician running all over the place -- including out of town trips to Texas for an energy conference and who knows where else she went.

You tell me how much of her time should have been spent being a parent instead of a politician.
Evidently you'd have no problem if your wife had five children and then chose to leave them with no parent around ('cause you worked too remember?) while she ran around as a full time politician? Apparently when it comes to being a good Mom and sticking around to be there to raise your children the far right on here is way more liberal. So much for all those "family values" lol.

As bad as it would be to dump her at this point, I wonder what the odds are in Vegas.

And in case anyone forgot this story from last year:

There are no bad children, just bad parents.

Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldnt be a topic of our politics."

Michelle, ma belle.
Sont les mots qui vont trs bien ensemble,
Trs bien ensemble.

Is it time to break out the "whitey" video's, yet???

Well Chris your posts in this thread scream "Neocon". Live with it.

- Posted by GimmeHadTooMuchScotch

What do the Neocons' quest for non-stop war and world domination have to do with any opinions concerning Sarah Palin's personal and parental judgment? Huh??? Your trying to equate "PNAC" as being in the same category as a Dr. Spock book is ridiculous.

"I love how all of the usual suspects bash Palin's lack-of parenting."

I love how all of the usual suspects are now so understanding that a 17-year old unmarried girl can succumb to her sexual urges even though the Bible says it's a sin. Don't I remember something about babies having babies and how this is a bad thing?

"Since sex education was implemented in the public school system, teen pregnancy rates have skyrocketed."

So wrong.

Each year, almost 750,000 teenage women aged 1519 become pregnant. The teenage pregnancy
rate in this country is at its lowest level in 30 years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. A growing
body of research suggests that both increased abstinence and changes in contraceptive practice
are responsible for recent declines in teenage pregnancy.1
The teenage pregnancy rate among those who ever had intercourse declined 28% between
1990 and 2002.
The teenage birthrate in 2002 was 30% lower than the peak rate of 61.8 births per 1,000
women, reached in 1991.
Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state and in the
District of Columbia.

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

love how all of the usual suspects are now so understanding that a 17-year old unmarried girl can succumb to her sexual urges even though the Bible says it's a sin. Don't I remember something about babies having babies and how this is a bad thing?

#84 | Posted by BlueInBushland at 2008-09-01 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've ALWAYS been kind and understanding towards it. It's the rest of the Dems who have suddenly flipflopped their position when the mother involved has an R after her name.

Course, you didn't accuse me of anything personally, but you get what I'm saying.

And I had to sit there and honestly think a while about whether to type "The rest of the Dems". I'm still not sure if I support Democrats anymore after this childish crap. We're supposed to be BETTER then the Republicans; not exactly the same.

Is it time to break out the "whitey" video's, yet???

~Former John

The Vids the right sed they'd produce way back when and then didn't?

The non-existant ones?

Those "'Whitey' videos"?

Yeah, shithead, it's past time, in fact.

Put up or shut up, Fucktard John.

Ya got 24 hours to produce sed vid or Spud'll go ahead use this incident agin you in future blog-fests.

Forewarned, forearmed.

Be Well.

Jeffj- I told you were the story came from.

Farmer john- Looks like Obama has class, and you("where's the whitey tape?") DON'T.

Jeff- From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray
By way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.
Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.
Can someone provide a link for this?

...bravo that Obama stands against this childish behaviour. That looks like the first move I've ever seen him make that wasn't calculated to increase his own personal power.

Though I suppose some rightie could use the fact that Obama's own mother was also preggers at 17 as a very apt rebuttal, and he might have decided that the best way to protect his own ass is to say this, and doesn't give a rat's ass about his opponent at all.

I'm preferring to think it's the former, that for once in his life, Obama is doing something HONORABLE by his opponents.

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

That's because you added too many basic words. try "Palin abstinence" and see what comes up.

"...Don't I remember something about babies having babies and how this is a bad thing?" - BLUE

Compounding one poor decision by taking the life of the result is, in the Palin family's opinion, apparently a case of two wrongs not making a right.

Why not be supportive of their taking ownership of the situation and deciding to carry the child to term? While a child having a child can encounter many hurdles, there are also a multitude of blessings dervived from the situation.

I'm preferring to think it's the former, that for once in his life, Obama is doing something HONORABLE by his opponents.

#92 | Posted by soheifox at 2008-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right. Like all the times he praised McCain fo his service? Obama has been fairly consistant in telling people to back off of slimy stories.

From Zap's link:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Included within the definition of explicit sex-education programs is the distribution of contraceptives in school.

She was given a yes-or-no question - I would like a more full explantion of her position on this. Guess it's time to go back to what I do worst - google search.

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

That's because you added too many basic words. try "Palin abstinence" and see what comes up.

Dumping the quotation marks works as well.

Guess it's time to go back to what I do worst - google search.

Give it 24 hours you'll have plenty to draw from..

This happens all over America.

Wrong order of things--but yeah--so she has another point to relate to middle class over Biden.

------------------------------
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Maybe if Sarah Palin had been home a little more often when her now-pregnant 17 year old daughter needed a mother to talk to....?

#45 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-09-01 02:25 PM

Do you realize how really goofy this sounds?

Whoopi Goldberg--who was a teenage mother herself- talked all the time with her daughter. Told her over and over--we can go for birth control if you think you are going to have sex. Don't do what I did. I didn't know better. You do--we can have protection.

Guess What Happened? She got pregnant.
____________

I am glad they are going to get married. It will be hard even with the support.

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

I went to the feminists for life website but the links aren't working (at the moment).

To anyone...

I googled 'Palin supports abstinence only sex ed' and came up with zilch.

Some are making the claim that she supports abstinence only sex ed.

Can someone provide a link for this?

#66 | Posted by JeffJ

Sorry about the weird spacing. Original is a PDF.

Page 81 of The Republican Party Platform for 2004.

"Each year more than three million American teenagers contract sexually
transmitted diseases, causing emotional harm and serious health consequences, even
death. We support efforts to educate teens and parents about the health risks associated
with early sexual activity and provide the tools needed to help teens make healthy
choices. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, including
sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS. Therefore, we support doubling abstinence education
funding."

Maybe their 2008 platform has reversed this but I doubt it. Sarah Palin, as the VP Designate of the Republican Party, therefore supports it.

Eagle Forum Alaska

You all are talking about abstinence and birth control.

Did any of you ever consider the possibility Palin's 17 year old daughter got pregnant
on purpose as a way of getting some much needed attention from her rarely at home Mother? Wouldn't be the first time that's happened in a family.

I don't believe in the schools having any say so or involvement with my kids and giving them birth control.

This is the explicit sex-education programs in our schools today.

Not only that but the school will arrange a girl to get an abortion without the parents knowing.

Zap,

I didn't use quotes when I googled.

I put what I googled in quotes HERE - but not on google itself.

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

You are all over the place.

Obama at least appears to have some class....

I don't believe in the schools having any say so or involvement with my kids and giving them birth control.

This is the explicit sex-education programs in our schools today.

Not only that but the school will arrange a girl to get an abortion without the parents knowing.

#104 | Posted by MURPHY

And if you oppose anything contained within the broad spectrum of 'comprehensive sex education', you oppose the whole thing.

I have mixed feelings about school clinics.
Distributing contraceptives in school is lunacy.
Mandated non-parental consent for an abortion is criminal.

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

And you, Murphy, have WRITTEN "OBAMA WOULD ABORT HIS OWN GRANDCHILD"

I don't think you can tell anybody to "shut up" with or without "respect".

I didn't use quotes when I googled.

I put what I googled in quotes HERE - but not on google itself.

Strange Jeff I took your quote without quotation marks and got it. I did start with only "Palin abstinence" within quotes.

We knew that it reflected poorly on McCain choosing such an unqualified VP. But to have also unchosen an unvetted VP as well makes it all the more horrifying a choice. I can't believe it. Stranger than fiction.

My wife and son were discussing this pregnancy earlier this morning. It gave me a chuckle. My wife is a Catholic and adamantly pro-life. She called the pregnancy, "a blessing". My son replied, "For the Democrats."

"Not only do we have a woman with five children, including an infant with special needs, but a woman whose 17-year-old child will need her even more in the coming months. Not to mention the grandchild. This would inevitably be an enormous distraction for a new vice president (or president) in a time of global turmoil"

Spot on!

Obama at least appears to have some class....

That none of his minion's at the Drudge & Snort share...

Murph,

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

#99 | Posted by MURPHY

You don't know that. Obama is rabidly pro-choice, that doesn't mean he would try to force an abortion if one of his daughters got pregnant. I suspect he'd react like any parent would and I believe he would be supportive if his daughter in this hypothetical decided not to have an abortion.

Blue,

Therefore, we support doubling abstinence education
funding."

Which is NOT the same thing as abstinence-only education.

But it is infinitely better than Obama's "punishment" if one of his daughters gets pregnant. He would abort his own grandchild.

~sMurphette.

You got a citation there, Murphy, or are you just pulling talkin' points from yer ass this afternoon?

Thought so.

Be Well.

Zap,

Perhaps I just didn't see it.

I didn't scan past the first page of links.

I find it amazing that conservative get their ANKLES UP in the air when liberals express an opinion.

Chris Please keep expressing yourself.

Help the overly sensitive uptight right get over themselves.

Kudos to Obama for denouncing the mud-slinging and prying into Palin's family life.

Nulli: Why does Ray have such a hard on for you? I mean I have never taken him seriously or anything, but why his sudden desire to follow you around? Kind of creepy.

FJ: if the "minions" of the DR upset you so much, I have a solution. Go away. No one will miss you. Least of all, we "minions".

Zap,

It was about denouncing the opinion for the absurdity that it was.

CChris is making all sorts of assertions and judgement about this woman's family life and she has no idea as to what she's talking about.

Kudos to Obama for denouncing the mud-slinging and prying into Palin's family life.
~Jeff

Jeff who do you think Vetted Palin?

I doubt this pregnancy was a surprise. So is this all smoke & mirrors for a less than enthusiastic convention?

CChris is making all sorts of assertions and judgement about this woman's family life and she has no idea as to what she's talking about.

LOL, Sorry your point?

Here is you citation--

"Compounding one poor decision by taking the life of the result is, in the Palin family's opinion, apparently a case of two wrongs not making a right.

Why not be supportive of their taking ownership of the situation and deciding to carry the child to term? While a child having a child can encounter many hurdles, there are also a multitude of blessings dervived from the situation."

#94 | Posted by OohRah

Couldn't agree more.

I have two other positions on this. One you may agree with, the other you probably won't.

Wouldn't it be better to not devote your efforts to preventing sex education in schools and to acknowledge reality and encourage the use of condoms rather than other forms of birth control when your sons and daughters are experiencing the same sexual urges that you did when you were their age?

Good for the Palins for taking the child to term. Good too for those who support a woman's right to make the decision rather than to risk death and mutilation if she makes a decision that one core constituency of the Republican party has the arrogance to say is wrong for her.

FJ: if the "minions" of the DR upset you so much, I have a solution. Go away. No one will miss you. Least of all, we "minions".

But then the minions would all be spared that essential "diversity" of opinions and viewpoints that all Lefties claim to cherish. Mine is a voice of "dissent" that laughs and at the same time screams "Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas"...

CC--shut up--(with all due respect) you know nothing about this issue or this family.

You are all over the place.

-- Murphy

And you do? At least I'm looking realistically at the personal issues (choosing to have 5 kids but to satisfy her ego has run for political office since they were babies and is never at home) and how that possibly reflects on Palin's overall judgment.

Unlike you, I'm not some Rush dittohead, koolaid drinking, political party hack who would never think of evaluating anyone's judgment (even though they are seeking the second highest office in our nation) as long as it doesn't jeopardize your boy Bush and any successor Republicans from being able to keep the White House. Thank God I'm able to put what might be best for my country above any political party and analyze impartially the ability of each candidate now seeking to hold office and lead our country. Try doing it yourself sometime.

"Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas"...

Especially when you look in the mirror, I expect, FarmerJohn

Nulli: Why does Ray have such a hard on for you? I mean I have never taken him seriously or anything, but why his sudden desire to follow you around? Kind of creepy. - Moder8

It's no "sudden" desire. Those two have been needling each other forever on DR. Each one gets the other one all fired up and they sling retorts back and forth for hours. Keeps their brain cells stimulated. And they both like it -- no matter how much each one complains about the other. lol

CC--sorry for posting shut up. If