ONE li'l ol' debate, ONE tiny little peak at some head to head smarts competition, and the foundation is cracking apart even faster than expected.
Obama's gonna get blown out.

Fredo,
The "debate" at Saddleback was a few things but a "head to head smarts competition" was not one of em.

well you did hear them both blather on in answering the same questions - back to back.

maybe it was not literally a competition, but you get the point, semantics boy.
why YOU - ARGH!!! you TRULY ARE EVIL !!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

Can we please stop posting electoral vote counts? The election is a 2.5 months away. The only day that matters is election day.

Sorry I'll delete the thread because you are uncomfortable with it.

Oh fuckstuck, wait I can't delete it.

269 - 259 WHOOOOOPIEEEE !!!!!!

fredo - nnnot um, uh, if, butbutbut, ttthhhthey lllet him uhhhm, have uh, his obamaprompter!

get used to saying "president mccain".

I can't get too excited about polls at this stage of the game. In fact, Rasmussen, who is generally most accurate, has it 47% Obama to 46% McCain counting the "leaners." The only thing I get from this poll is the joy of watching my little leftist-socialist friends begin to panic. LOL

I'm not a Democrat. But guess what...the election isn't being held today so these electoral vote counts are pointless.

Yea, McCain wins an imaginary election today!

Polls at this point don't matter... they mean nothing as to how the election will go. John Kerry was destroying George W. Bush just 3 days before the election.

The only thing that's interesting about this is that after year after year of shitty Bush polling, the Republican is neck and neck with Obama.

I guess 200,000 berliners doesn't really matter. Mabye Obama should give a speech in Florida (After a free concert from Bruce Springsteen and free beer and pizza of course... again).

Obama got logjammed in his saddleback and it's giving McCain a raging cone of silence

.....and as far as we know, in three days' time the predictions for electoral votes could be reversed. So why, exactly, is this cause for celebration by McCain supporters?

Now had it been Brokeback......

Kinger I will tell you why I posted this thread and why I disagree. Also why I think people like Rob who say "polls don't matter" should take a closer look here.....
The solid states have been and remain solid ( the 228 EVs vs. 178 in favor of the brown guy)
BUT
the tossups have all slowly and steadily trended toward MCain, for a while now. And those are the ones that matter,(as the solid sates will not change). And this is a BAD time in the cycle for them to be all trending toward McCain, if you're for the brown guy.
McCain would have to show up at a Christian rally nude from the waist down with clown makeup on his face (not that he won't , this sounds like fun) in order to ruin this slow steady trend of the tossups.
Its O - ver!

How many new voters will come out in November for Obama?

How many new voters will come out in November for McCain?

Polls don't count all voters - just those they poll.

How many contributors to Obama's chest?
How many to McCain?

Wasn't Obama showing large numbers of new contributors? New voters?

Polls can't measure that result.

How many contributors to Obama's chest?
How many to McCain?

Wasn't Obama showing large numbers of new contributors? New voters?

Polls can't measure that result.

Posted by Petrous

Uh, no offense, dude, but the factors you just mentioned there are pretty ethereal , don't you think?
I mean, you want to go on " showing large numbers of new voters" ???
How the hell does anybody know that???

At least with polls, you have some pretty black and white data. No pun intended.

Large numbers of new voters?
Look at the contributors and the age of those coming out to see the speaker.

.....and as far as we know, in three days' time the predictions for electoral votes could be reversed. So why, exactly, is this cause for celebration by McCain supporters?

Posted by Kinger

Part of the reason for optimism among McCain supporters is that Kerry was literally dominating President Bush at this time and up until the eleciton and Bush still won. Given all that McCain has working against him this year, that he's made it a foot race and even gone ahead in some polls is good news for them.

There is no way McCain will win this election. Erkel could run against McCain and win this election--in CHARACTER.
The dems have a flawed primary system that put out the second best candidate, but that won't help McCain.
Florida and Ohio are statistical ties. I'm sure both will go for Obama, and other states will follow. Obama should win comfortably with a 100 EV plurality.

At least with polls, you have some pretty black and white data.

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And that black and white data is just a snapshot of today and does not predict the future.

um, bluffalo? urkel IS running against him in this election. helloh!

Part of the reason for optimism among McCain supporters is that Kerry was literally dominating President Bush at this time and up until the eleciton and Bush still won.

Where do you come up with such bullshit Rob?

August 26, 2004 in print edition A-1

President Bush heads into next weeks Republican National Convention with voters moving slightly in his direction since July amid signs that Sen. John F. Kerry has been nicked by attacks on his service in Vietnam, a Times poll has found.

For the first time this year in a Times survey, Bush led Kerry in the presidential race, drawing 49% among registered voters, compared with 46% for the Democrat. In a Times poll just before the Democratic convention last month, Kerry held a 2-percentage-point advantage over Bush.

You should check your facts more often. You might not look like such a dumbshit. Might not.....

BO has a strong disadvantage when it comes to EVs. The EV count is disproportionately dominated by the bubba vote, with bubbas likely to get more EVs per vote cast that urbanites get. The Electoral College was initially created to equalize in some small way the rights of less populated states. Unfortunately, the founding fathers had no expectation about the provincialism of less populated states' voters.

If Al Gore couldn't get Tenneseeans to vote for him in 2000, how does BO expect to get that state's voters to come out for him? And Tennessee is a fairly progressive Southern state -- not a bubba state.

What BO needs to do is paint JM as out of touch -- a guy with more homes than he can count, and with hardcore links to the admninistration's most vile ideologues; losers like Scheunermann, Gramm, Rove and Kristol.

good strategy, TnC.

McCain needs to expose Obama as a former crack pimp from Southside who don't seem to know his place no mo.

I think the "Politics of Change" playbook is about to be tossed out the window.