So we can now add the "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" ruse to the long, long list of Bush (mis)Administration failures?

This must warm the cockles of a leftist's heart. Are you gloating over this report, Rogue? Do you have any suggestions?

It seems as if the situation in "the tribal regions" in Pakistan is improving as our air strikes are killing al Qaeda "leaders," who have been betrayed, and whose locations have been provided to the U.S., so that we could target them.

As a bleeding heart lefty, do you object to these airstrikes? After all, since these terrorists live with their families, their wives and children are often also killed. Are we exhibiting sufficient restraint? Do yo0u think that there is "assumption of risk," or do you suggest we just don't attack these people since their families are also placed at risk. Should we hamstring ourselves?

Somewhere, some people are betraying their "guests, and the terrorists are getting their "just desserts."

Apparently, Rogue, it's not as bleak a situation as this "expert" believed, since he didn't have sufficient information..

Do you have a course of action that you suggest we take, Rogue, one that would enable us to kill the terrorists? Or are your sympathies with "them?" Are you alienated from Americans? Will the terrorist threats ever be eliminated? Or is terrorism with us always as a fact of life that can be monitored and reduced, but not eliminated?

If American Muslims are smart they'll start snitching real fast on anyone/everyone within their ranks... I think things will get very bad for them if there is another major attack on this nation.

"Are you gloating over this report, Rogue?"

No, but I'm glad to see that even couched in all your verbosity you have no counter point other that to claim that acknowledging bad news = reveling in it. Nice work Johnson!

"It seems as if the situation in "the tribal regions" in Pakistan is improving"

Because you say so? If you have an article that expresses a different viewpoint than the one I did, feel free to post it up. But forgive me if I don't take your word on, well, anything.

"As a bleeding heart lefty, do you object to these airstrikes?"

No. This "bleeding heart lefty" was completely behind the war in Afghanistan and regrets that our bumbling President was so anxious to divert resources to Iraq that he couldn't be bothered to finish job 1 properly. We STILL need to get that job done and go after the terrorists where they really are.

Well, glad to learn that you at least support a portion of our effort against al Qaeda, whose operations are not constrained by he concept of national boundaries.

As to our efforts in Pakistan, you just need to google the news for the apparent success of recent airstrikes in "neutralizing" al Qaeda assets.

Rogue, do you have any thoughts as to how this effort against al Qaeda could be conducted more effectively now?

Also, do you think that it would be to our benefit to secure land bases in Iraq in perpetuity so as to enhance our abilities to operate in what is now a strategic area?

If American Muslims are smart they'll start snitching real fast on anyone/everyone within their ranks... I think things will get very bad for them if there is another major attack on this nation.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob, you have seriously come unhinged now for sure.

First, the majority of the people in this country do not believe that that muslim from india that works driving a cab is anyway related to the fake turrurists claims made by this administration.

Second, the majority of people in this country see our own government as more of a threat than AQ.

Third, AQ was paid for by friends of this administration and Bin Laden was trained by the CIA and the Army.

Remember, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Do you think it is more likely that the shit being spewed out by washington is true and that a rag tag bunch of dissidents can evade the US military and grow stronger or that we are all being mis-lead?

It is very important for us to have an enenmy to be afriad of, otherwise we will start asking questions of our own government.

"It seems as if the situation in "the tribal regions" in Pakistan is improving as our air strikes are killing al Qaeda "leaders," who have been betrayed, and whose locations have been provided to the U.S., so that we could target them."

Oh, another part of the Obama foreign policy has been put into action by Bush and golly, it is helping????

But, I remember when Righties attacked Obama for suggesting that we do this.
Somehow Sen. Obama is running things before he is even elected.
Amazing.

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-08-13 02:07 PM

Second, the majority of people in this country see our own government as more of a threat than AQ.

It is very important for us to have an enenmy to be afriad of, otherwise we will start asking questions of our own government.

"First, the majority of the people in this country do not believe that that muslim from india that works driving a cab is anyway related to the fake turrurists claims made by this administration."

Wanna bet? Fear is a powerful tool. It's McCathyism all over again, but this time with Muslims instead of Communists.

I guess the US should turn this one over to the UN. Obviously it's too big for America to handle.

Theo - you promised me that the last time you were drunk before 9:00 am would be the LAST time.

Shucks, Lipz, you already are. Or are you unaware of that?

Posted by Johnson

You damn right Johnson. If you ain't afraid (of their capacity for evil), then you ain't paying attention. People like me are not the ones that allowed our government to rape the constitution because i was scared of some non-existant tuururists.

What i'm talking about is scared of the loss of prudence, jurisdiction, reason and the rights that were granted to americans in the constitution. Gone, gone, gone and almost gone. I do not think giving up one single right is worth all the security there is.

I suppose those concepts are too esoteric for most americans, that's why our government has gone almost completely criminal, with the blessings of an exceedingly ignorant population.

to kinger
"It's McCathyism all over again, but this time with Muslims instead of Communists"

yea try it

it won't work this time.
muslims don't hide. what are you going to do enslave 10 million of us?

you want a insurgency on domestic territory?

the smartest thing to do is make sure you keep a line between extremists and normal muslims clear.

us normal muslims realize this isn't a true holy war, but idiots like you want to make this a holy war. not very smart.

"more capable than last year". does that mean they were at 0% last year and 1% this year?

"blending into Western society" what's new about that?

stupid article

"us normal muslims realize this isn't a true holy war, but idiots like you want to make this a holy war. not very smart."

What? When did I say anything about a holy war? All I said was that I don't think the average American really sees a difference between peaceful muslims (the majority) and the extremist groups like Al Qaeda. It's human nature to instantly project fears and assumptions about a small subset of people across the entire group. It's unfair and unreasonable, but that's the way people react.

You're certainly quick to anger and make kneejerk comments without actually reading the post you're responding to.

the smartest thing to do is make sure you keep a line between extremists and normal muslims clear.

Good luck with that one.

Also, do you think that it would be to our benefit to secure land bases in Iraq in perpetuity so as to enhance our abilities to operate in what is now a strategic area?
posted by Johnson

Do you think it is more likely that the shit being spewed out by washington is true and that a rag tag bunch of dissidents can evade the US military and grow stronger or that we are all being mis-lead?

It is very important for us to have an enenmy to be afriad of, otherwise we will start asking questions of our own government.
posted by Lipzoidial

Calm down now Lipz, you're starting to scare people. Information overload can be just as scary to most as the boogeyman is.

you want a insurgency on domestic territory?
posted by Klifferd

us normal muslims realize this isn't a true holy war, but idiots like you want to make this a holy war. not very smart.
posted by Klifferd

"He seems to be making a reference to the witch hunts for "commies" that was so wide spread during the McCarthy era. It's similar to the national view of Muslims, though not quite at the same level just yet. Just like the average idiot was terrified of commies back then, now the average idiot is terrified of Muslisms. He doesn't appear to be in any way, shape, or form calling for what you say 'a holy war'."

Exactly.

Was it really that hard to understand? :P

As to our efforts in Pakistan, you just need to google the news for the apparent success of recent airstrikes in "neutralizing" al Qaeda assets.

Johnson, you do realize, don't you that when commie Obama suggested he would launch airstrikes into Pakistan, it was the Fighty Rightys who wet themselves over the concept and slammed him for being so niave as to suggest it, especially when Bush and Mcsame's bestest buddy Mushie was doing such a swell job.

Now that Bush has (again) accepted Obama's foreign policy doctrine, lefties are suddenly opposed to it? I think not.

Perhaps you should find some mediator and try and work out an arrangement in dealing with Reality. I know Reality and the Right can't usually be in the same room together, but honestly, it would do you a world of good.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

This must warm the cockles of a leftist's heart.

I would think it would bring shame to anyone who voted for Bush. He's been "fighting" al queda for longer than it took FDR to defeat both the Japanese and Germans and surely you aren't going to pretend al queda is one billioth as strong as either of those two enemies?

Just like the average idiot was terrified of commies back then,

Those same idiots are still afraid of commies. They've just added Muslims to their list of things to be afraid of.

you want a insurgency on domestic territory?

You have no idea how quickly that "insurgency" would be over with...

If there is ever another 9/11 type attack in size or death toll, if I were a Muslim I would baracade myself in my house for months, because there will be mobs roaming the streets...

"You have no idea how quickly that "insurgency" would be over with... "

you have no idea how wrong you are.

Good God.
"Johnson" certainly is living down to his moniker today. However, s/he certainly seems to have no shame voting for the man who inspired the more-powerful Al-Qaeda.

Mission Accomplished!

"there's no need to put on the tough guy act here on the internet. No one believes you anyways. "

i'm not being tough

its the last thing i want
but saying your going to witch hunt muslims

you better be prepared for a different kind of witch.

remember half of the muslims in america are african american.

not ay rabs
have fun witch hunting them.

and you can say i'm quick to anger

i'm just warning everyone who thinks they can hunt muslims like commies
thats it

don't heed the warning if you don't want

makes no diff to me

I would think it would bring shame to anyone who voted for Bush. He's been "fighting" al queda for longer than it took FDR to defeat both the Japanese and Germans and surely you aren't going to pretend al queda is one billioth as strong as either of those two enemies?

posted by apocalypto,

Hello moron. The Japanese and Germans were wearing uniforms, the AQ blend in with the crowd and therefore are much more dangerous. You can't always spot your enemy. The Military is trying to save civilian lives. I think personally we should have made the whole place a parking lot and be done with it. It's all or nothing! So I commend President Bush for showing restraint. Besides, show the President some respect and put his title in front of his name. When you just say Bush, I'm thinking you are referring to a plant outside my window.

you have no idea how wrong you are.

Posted by klifferd

You're in a majority White country... I think it will be pretty easy to see who needs to be rounded up should some silly insurgency start...

And let's say it does... Oh no, you'll fuck up Michigan... No, please don't... Detroit is so nice.

YEAH!

But the real question Americans care about is; Are you Safer now that Saddam is Gone?

And thats "Yes"!

Sincerely

Sean (the Ewock) Hannitity

"Besides, show the President some respect and put his title in front of his name"

Respect is a commodity that must be earned. Bush has failed to earn enough to even rate a "Mr." in front of his name so far.

Those same idiots are still afraid of commies. They've just added Muslims to their list of things to be afraid of.
posted by Whatsleft

but saying your going to witch hunt muslims
posted by Klifferd

When you just say Bush, I'm thinking you are referring to a plant outside my window.
posted by Greggsgirl

Respect is a commodity that must be earned. Bush has failed to earn enough to even rate a "Mr." in front of his name so far.

posed by redneckville, gee not surprised.

Regardless how you feel about YOUR President, you are an American that lives in the United States of America and therefore he is your president! You may not agree with him, but he still should have your respect, since he was voted into office. I don't like Senator Obama, but if he wins, he will be called President Obama. If you don't like it, move out of the country and you can say Mr. President all you want. But on the other hand, maybe you won't have the same freedoms of the USA. Good luck with that!

First of all, that was me, not Redneckville, so try to keep up.

Second of all don't give me that "America, love it or leave it". Is that the best ya got?

close down guantomino and get on with it

It's called being an American. Are you not an American Rogue or are you a wanna be that maybe doesn't have his citizenship yet? I can help you with the big words if you need me to. I'm all for "America, love it or leave it"! Soldiers have died for you to have the freedoms you have. In my book, you are a traitor to this country. So, get out!

RAAAAAAAAR YOU MUST AGREE WITH MY VIEWPOINTS IF YOU DO NOT THEN YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN

in your book doesn't count

if it was up to your book

america would suck

This news doesn't surprise me at all. And, being someone that knows how easy it is for anyone to sneek into the US, I don't doubt the validity of this claim, either.
This is what happens when we have people in charge that are telling our ''leader'' what he should and shouldn't do. I mean, come on. We all know that GW isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. While he has made many mistakes on his own, he has also been influenced by the wrong crowd, too.
If we would have actually fought a war on terrorism, instead of a vendeta, maybe the war tribes wouldn't be so organized. But, this is all pure speculation.
What we have to do now to fix this problem is put aside our petty differences and find a solution before our own children pay the price for our egos and prides. We can stop this problem. But, it takes a combined consensus of all of us to do it.
The terrorists know that we are divisive. They are counting on that flaw within our society to tear us apart. They aren't stupid people...just angry and mislead.

I think I might have hit a nerve regarding your citizenship. My apologies, it was just a lucky guess. No, I actually have a Business Management degree and I'm probably much, much older than you are. As a matter of fact, my lunch break is over now, so I have to get back to making a living in this wonderful capitalist nation that we call the good ole' U.S. of A. It was nice sparring with you. It was fun and got my juices flowing in this old body. Have a wonderful day! God Bless America!!!!!!

"No, I actually have a Business Management degree and I'm probably much, much older than you are. As a matter of fact, my lunch break is over now..."

OMFG!

Imagine that, a cute little Business Management degree. How quaint. And I would be willing to bet you your allowance this week that you are NOT older than I am.

And by the way, I can take as long or as short a lunch break as I want. : )

My respect goes for the Constitution, and that's the loyalty oath I took to become member of the US military.

Anyone, American or non-American who doesn't respect the constitution-- I don't respect-- especially an American. Non-American disrespect I just chalk up to ignorance.

This includes Presidents, even if I happened to vote for them in the first place, and even if I took as part of my loyalty oath a promise to obey their orders.

It is the Constitution ONLY that gives power to the President to expect my loyalty when orders are given, so if the POTUS gives orders based off of decisions that have no merit in the Constitution, I am STILL obligated to carry out the orders, yet once the orders are dispatched I still try my hardest to defend the constitution, even from actions of POTUS.

Obviously the loyalty oaths I took 27 years ago still have merit, even though I am not an active member of the armed forces, but then again, no one who wrote such an oath really thought that a President would REALLY trample the Constitution like current POTUS has. Its a tricky and comlex idea to play around with in the mind, however since the Constitution is the document that grants POTUS the authority, as Commander in Chief, to expect discharge of orders from him by me, and my continuous duty is to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC, it becomes clear.

Ultimately we never give our highest loyalites to a person, but rather to an idea or cause, in this case written on paper in form of the Constitution. And if POTUS tells me to shoot someone, I do not question orders and I will shoot. But in between the orders there is a void where loyalty is not required-- i.e. be loyal to the orders from the man, not necessarily to the man himself, and the loyalty I take to ALWAYS defend the Constitution comes to play and trumps the void and I am permitted, nee forced by my oath to take action against POTUS if deemed necessary to protect the Constitution of the United States.

Since we're 'no safer' than we were before, and Shrub has failed to make us safer even though he has shredded the basis of America - the Constitution...

I ask two things:

1) Can I sell my Duct Tape Hoard on Ebay now?
2) Can we have our Constitutional rights returned to us?

Oh please, oh please Mr. president...pretty please! I promise we won't abuse our freedoms!!!!

"...Regardless how you feel about YOUR President, you are an American that lives in the United States of America and therefore he is your president!

...Said the head of the German Kultural Center circa 1940.

"...You may not agree with him, but he still should have your respect, since he was voted into office...

Liar liar pants on fire! Dangling Chads. Voter Rolls Stricken. Scotus. Florida. Ohio. Liar liar Pants on Fire!

"...I don't like Senator Obama, but if he wins, he will be called President Obama..."

You forgot to say YOU will call him 'President Obama'. Me thinks the Lady doth expose her cards to the table.

"If you don't like it, move out of the country and you can say Mr. President all you want...."

'You're Either With us, or Against Us.' And why would anyone say Mr. Presdient 'outside' of the US if they don't want to say it 'inside' the US. this makes no sense...but considering the source -

"...But on the other hand, maybe you won't have the same freedoms of the USA...."

Now that we're NO SAFER THAN BEFORE: I repeat - Can we have our Constitutional rights put back in place?

can we end FISA?
can we invalidate Patriot Act 1 and 2?
can we shelve the Military Command Act?

"...Posted by greggsgirl71..."

Let's all welcome the Latest Moron to the DR with our usual aplomb:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, another part of the Obama foreign policy has been put into action by Bush and golly, it is helping????

But, I remember when Righties attacked Obama for suggesting that we do this.
Somehow Sen. Obama is running things before he is even elected.
Amazing.

Yet they wonder why someone calls him the Messiah. Here is living proof of his followers blind adoration. As well as ignorance.

"Yet they wonder why someone calls him the Messiah. Here is living proof of his followers blind adoration. As well as ignorance."

The same can be said about GW Bush and McCain as well.

And to assume those that believe in a certain political makes them ignorant is a cowardly attack on the beliefs of your fellow Americans.

Remember without opposition, the other side doesn't have a leg to stand on.

No Crispee....

McCain's the Real One. Haven't you seen the latest ads. Now how can Obama be the one when McCain is the Real One!

McCain's the Real one. His other 'One' AD says so. He's the Messiah. He is. He really is.

He even has a special smoking jacket...which could be considered a robe that you can touch if you donate over 26,000.00 to his campaign. touching it is special. You will receive a photograph of you and John McCain's Messiah Robe.

Touching it will also cure anal Warts!

The same can be said about GW Bush and McCain as well.

What can be said? The Obama loving poster claimed it was his idea and Bush is following his lead. Do you honestly believe this is because of TGO's foreign policy experience?

Touching it will also cure anal Warts!

Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2008-08-14 02:00 PM

How did you cure yours? Touching The Great Ones picture?

CRISPEE OC - I wasn't referring to policies. Please review my post. I was referring to the blind adoration of followers and their ignorance. That was the only comparison I was making.

I'm afraid you misunderstood - or are simply looking for some reason to insult or argue. Both, of which, I have no intention of doing.

The way I see it, insulting others and constant arguing is what as gotten this country into the mess we are already in. I live and believe in change. Even if I have to start it simply by setting an example.

CRISPEE OC - I wasn't referring to policies. Please review my post. I was referring to the blind adoration of followers and their ignorance. That was the only comparison I was making.

I couldn't agree more with you. Which explains all the Obama hype and adoration. There is no policy of Obama's to refer to.

It's called being an American. Are you not an American Rogue or are you a wanna be that maybe doesn't have his citizenship yet? I can help you with the big words if you need me to. I'm all for "America, love it or leave it"! Soldiers have died for you to have the freedoms you have. In my book, you are a traitor to this country. So, get out!

Posted by greggsgirl71
Greg's bitch

Lots of wacko righty talk going on here. "Love it or leave it". You are the people that need to live in China... Pussy...

He's been "fighting" al queda for longer than it took FDR to defeat both the Japanese and Germans and surely you aren't going to pretend al queda is one billioth as strong as either of those two enemies?
haha. More killed landing in Normandy in 1 day than killed during Iraq/Afganistan.

NorthBI your so funny. Are you suggesting the use of the big boomer. Just to "show them" who is boss. And I thought it was "monkey ears" who said Al Queda should be pursued by law enforcment and not military.

Now that we're NO SAFER THAN BEFORE: I repeat - Can we have our Constitutional rights put back in place?

can we end FISA?
can we invalidate Patriot Act 1 and 2?
can we shelve the Military Command Act?

Yeah, thats why the congress just passed the legislation strengthening these laws.

greggsgirl71 describe how these laws have had any impact on your life or why you or me should be concerned about the ability of law enforcment to gain court approved wire taps on international calls.

"Liar liar pants on fire! Dangling Chads. Voter Rolls Stricken. Scotus. Florida. Ohio. Liar liar Pants on Fire!"

Liberal talking points! Not proven

"Greg's bitch

Lots of wacko righty talk going on here. "Love it or leave it". You are the people that need to live in China... Pussy..."

Real Mature......... Do you want a lollipop with your nap? Maybe Mommy was to mean to you? Go down and rest, maybe you will feel better when you wake up in the real world!

"Now that we're NO SAFER THAN BEFORE: I repeat - Can we have our Constitutional rights put back in place?

can we end FISA?
can we invalidate Patriot Act 1 and 2?
can we shelve the Military Command Act?"

Umm, lets see. I don't think we have had another 911, but maybe in your world there was one and I must have missed it. FISA, Patriot Act 1 & 2, and the Military Command Act, are you worried about something or hiding something? Makes you wonder. Can I have what ever drugs you are taking, since you have escaped reality here. But there is no arguing with an idiot! So enjoy your fantasy land!!!!!!

Hey, my rights haven't be trampled on or have impacted my life. I have nothing to hide. That was posted by Dumpling1, not greggsgirl. I totally agree with each and everyone. I think you have got the wrong person.

Oh, so you don't have a job. I'm sorry. Check out the want ads, I'm sure there is something in there for a Lib that doesn't need an education or experience. If you need help with your resume, holler at me! I might be able to point you in the RIGHT direction :)

Wow really? All they have to do is wear flannel shirts and speak with a Spanish accent and walk across our open border!

"Wow really? All they have to do is wear flannel shirts and speak with a Spanish accent and walk across our open border!"

Sadly, that seems to be the case.

greggsgirl:

You are an appeaser if you don't think that FISA/Patriot Act or Military command Act haven't directly affected your constitutional right to freedom. Your communications are being scanned continuously. Your right to privacy is gone. Your right to Habeas Corpus is gone. Your right to be free of unwarranted searches is gone. You can be held indefinately without access to a lawyer. You can be convicted without ever seeing the evidence against you.

and all you can do is whine: "Well another 9/11 hasn't happened."

The Fathers of our country shed their blood, their honor and their fortunes to ensure that you would always have those protections against tyrranies. But that doesn't seem to bother you. Who taught you that?

Who taught you that; "Hey Citizen, we're taking freedoms away from you...but don't worry." was all right?

You have surrendered with the ol' standby: 'I've got nothing to hide!' And that surrender makes you an appeaser.

Obviously, child, you need to get a little 'edumication' yourself as you cannot grasp the concept of Shrub's shreading that 'Goddamn Piece of Paper'. Everything you have here in America is because of the Constitution. Your Life, Your Liberty, and your Freedom. For you to toss that away like some tiny little inconvenience is repulsive.

And...you couldn't point your way out of eco-enemy plastic grocery bag!

Well Dumpling, you got me there. I just don't know what to say after that tantrum. Everyone has a right to their opinions. And the last time I looked in the mirror I'm pretty sure there wasn't a child staring back at me. I can careless if my emails or phones call are being monitored. You have got to be kidding me, I think I would rather be safe from Islamic Terrorists, then to worry about what I might say to my sister across the Unites States. I hope you can sleep at night with your paranoid condition.

"Last time I looked in the mirror I'm pretty sure there wasn't a child staring back at me"

Perhaps not, but your world view is very child-like. My way or the highway - think my way or get out of my country.

Well, if Obama becomes president we'll get to see how appeasement works; Danegeld anyone?

well if mccain becomes president we'll get to see how world war 4 looks.

Do you have a course of action that you suggest we take, Rogue, one that would enable us to kill the terrorists? Or are your sympathies with "them?" Are you alienated from Americans? Will the terrorist threats ever be eliminated? Or is terrorism with us always as a fact of life that can be monitored and reduced, but not eliminated?

Posted by Johnson at 2008-08-13 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Well, Obama said he would bomb the places where Al-Qaeda was hiding in the Pakistan tribal areas and the rightards went crazy, proclaiming that Pakistan was "a sovereign nation".

I guess bombing Iran and invading Iraq are ok, but when a democrat wants to take the war to the terrrrrists, you clowns scream 'sovereign nation!!!!'

Typical righty FLIP FLOP.

I would think it would bring shame to anyone who voted for Bush. He's been "fighting" al queda for longer than it took FDR to defeat both the Japanese and Germans and surely you aren't going to pretend al queda is one billioth as strong as either of those two enemies?

posted by apocalypto,

Hello moron. The Japanese and Germans were wearing uniforms, the AQ blend in with the crowd and therefore are much more dangerous. You can't always spot your enemy. The Military is trying to save civilian lives. I think personally we should have made the whole place a parking lot and be done with it. It's all or nothing! So I commend President Bush for showing restraint. Besides, show the President some respect and put his title in front of his name. When you just say Bush, I'm thinking you are referring to a plant outside my window.

Posted by greggsgirl71

Hello back, moron. I didn't write that.

apocalypto,

My apologies. I was caught up in the moment and did not realize that I referenced the wrong blogger. I was offensive in even using the word Moron. I know better and didn't argue in a professional way. Good day!

greggsgirl71,

Apology accepted. Have a great day. :)