Why? Because they'd rather read about the great Zat pool experiment on the DR, that's why.

Hey, they cam make great island cities made of sand!

Zat--

They haven't had any R&D or any discoveries or inventions for the last 30 years or more.

Maybe what--10?

Maybe it will change--but they have too much oppression, war and jihad and religion to be open to science.

It's a good thing I have redundant Polyphasers on my irony meter now.

They had their day - they gave us the 'zero'.

they gave us the 'zero'.

India gave the world the zero. Arabs gave us algebra.

For examples on sci in muslim majority countries, see Scientific American magazine:

March 2008, page 18. "Perilous Pursuit" (Pak ballistic and cruise missiles). These things can't happen without mastering of at least 2 dozen different scientific disciplines. Massive infrastructure is required, not the least in eduction.

and

Feb 2008, page 18. "Arabian Brainpower".

etc etc.

Arabs gave us algebra.

Don't even start on what the Persians were responsible for...

Too bad they can't solve indoor plumbing.

"India gave the world the zero. Arabs gave us algebra."

Posted by Tosser

Let us know when they've had robots on another planet for a few years.

Let us know when they've had robots on another planet for a few years.

What Robot?

WHAT planet?

Or haven't you noticed all those pictures from "Mars" look a lot like they were shot in Arizona? LOL

Fake moon landing.

Fake Mars pictures.

Fake Osama in video.

Real Chimp in office.

"Capricorn One".

I love old movies.

poised for a remarkable scientific explosion.

Hmmm...nice choice of words...

I dunno, they seem to be able to make ICBMs and nuclear warheads out of sand and old oil drums, according to the neo-cons.

Given the dis-incentives to moving to the arab world, they certainly can't draw on global talent to stock their labs. Rented pakis are another situation all together, though.

As Scientific American points out (and as is claimed by the makers), all Pakistani ballistic missiles (solid fuel ones) go through violent end-stage maneuvers after warhead separation that make it impossible for any anti-missile system to target it.

Meaning the warhead accelerates while corkscrewing as it renters the atmosphere. The little fins on the nose are a dead giveaway.

Add that to a proven MIRV capability and you see how screwed up that is in a real cool way. LOL

Pakistani missiles were the first to use this technology, which was later used in all Russian ICBMS of the TOPOL series (they do the same thing). Meaning, thanks to our idea, Putin has got real teeth.

I believe now Chinese missiles do the same.

Point is, things like this can't be done if you are a dullard in things scientific. Pakistan has matched India in all technologies, kiloton for kiloton, megaton for megaton. In fact in many areas, we are quite far ahead.

Arabian Brainpower

Can a $10-billion university restore science to the Islamic world? BY CHARLES Q. CHOI

On the shores of the Red Sea, near a small fishing village called Thuwal, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is launching a university with the ambition of making it a world leader in science and technology. Not only will the schoolcalled King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST)possess one of the 10 largest university endowments in the world, it will also allow women and men to study side by side. The greatest challenge that the potentially revolutionary school now faces is attracting faculty and students.

Science once flourished in the Islamic world, a legacy seen today in the West with the use of Arabic numerals and words such as algebra.-- After the golden age of Islam ended with the Mongol invasion in the 13th century, this momentum vanished. Its recognized in several [United Nations] reports that the Arab and Muslim world now lags behind in science,-- says Ahmad Al-Khowaiter, interim provost for KAUST.

Such an assessment includes, for instance, the amount of money expended on re-search relative to the size of a countrys economy and the total number of research papers published and patents registered.

To initiate world-class research in Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah is personally granting KAUST an endowment of $10 billion or moreat least as much as that of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which currently ranks among the top half a dozen university endowments in the U.S.

The graduate-level university will be completely independent of Saudi Arabias government, granting students and faculty academic freedom seen in universities worldwideand a freedom unprecedented in the kingdom. It will not experience the interference a typical government-run university may,-- Al-Khowaiter insists.

KAUST will enjoy the legal autonomy that is seen in enclaves elsewhere in Saudi Arabia for foreign oil workerswomen will be allowed to drive, for instance, and the religious police will be barred from the premises. Although Al-Khowaiter expects some resistance to such freedoms from the rest of the kingdom, he believes that if we can show that we are able to benefit society, I think that kind of resistance will be overcome. If we do not show benefits, then resistance will have the effect of curtailing research.--

The nascent universitys biggest challenge may be drawing top-rated talent to a geographically isolated university with no track record. As enticement, KAUST will offer new labs with the best equipment and award grants to scientists. Researchers wont spend 50 percent of their time chasing after funding,-- Al-Khowaiter says.

...continued....

KAUST will also endeavor to overcome any isolation researchers might feel by keeping them linked with the rest of the worldallowing scientists to maintain appointments at other universities, for in-stance, and paying for travel to any meeting across the globe. In addition, KAUST will maintain a presence worldwide by collaborating with leading institutions, such as the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, and funding scientists at other universities with up to $1 billion in grants over a period of 10 years.

To attract students, the university will initially offer full scholarships, not only to all graduate students but also to overseas juniors and seniors to cover the remaining tuition at their current institutions in return for commitments to enroll at KAUST. The point is to have a stream of students present when the university opens,-- AlKhowaiter states. KAUST will give out these scholarships for at least its first 10 years.

Unusually, instead of organizing re-search around the single-discipline departments seen in most universities, KAUST will rely on interdisciplinary centers devoted to specific challenges, including energy research, water availability and sustainable development. Such centers have been very successful worldwide in attracting scientists to work on big problems that require teams with many different disciplines,-- Al-Khowaiter says. In the end, KAUST is aiming for a student population made up of roughly 40 percent from Saudi Arabia and other Arab states of the Gulf region, 30 percent from countries stretching between Egypt and India, and30 percent from the rest of the world. Given the large fraction of the population of young people in the Arab and Muslim world, there is a huge need for graduate and postgraduate study programs, especially of the quality that KAUST promises to deliver, and it is certainly time to offer such programs,-- says Ahmed Ghoniem, an M.I.T. mechanical engineer who is consulting for KAUST. There is plenty of native brainpower that, if harnessed, can make a huge impact locally and globally.--

Ultimately, King Abdullah wants Saudi Arabia to transform from a kingdom based on oil to a more knowledge-based society, Al-Khowaiter explains. If successful, he adds, other countries in the Arab and Muslim world might follow suit. As Frank Press, president emeritus of the National Academy of Sciences, puts it: This could be a nation-changing enterprise.--

END

Tosser-
Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

Thanks, but it is actually good luck to the Saudis. (I am not Arab).

As for Pakistan, we are making new universities right, left and center. Just recently a group of 7 Chinese engineering and sciences universities are setting up shop here with "technology parks" where ideas can be tried out and real-world applications created.

And we have other plans. Using today's information technology it is easier than it had been even 10 years ago.

One can measure China's technological progress with the growth of how much bandwidth they can control. The charts match.

These days the measure of how well a country can do in science is how big an internet-backbone... how much bandwidth... have they got for a modern interactive communication infrastructure. And right now Pakistan has invested in massive internet capabilities like having the largest broadband WiMax deployment in the world (country-wide). etc etc.

The Arab countries own massive amounts of bandwidth. That bandwidth... if put to use... can do all sorts of stuff.

****** Fake moon landing.
Fake Mars pictures.
Fake Osama in video.
Real Chimp in office.
Posted by Tosser *****

.......why do you think the moon landing & the robots on Mars are fake ?.......

.......why do you think the moon landing & the robots on Mars are fake ?.......

Is anything American for real? (WMD! WMD! WMD!)

Even if true... the Chinese, when they get to the moon... will remove all signs that the Americans were ever there.

And the conspiracy buffs will claim they were right all along.

So might as well forget the moon landing ever happened.

As for Mars... you guys can't bribe the Bin Ladin family to give up Osama and you expect us to believe you had money to throw around so you could take pics of rocks? LOL

Not everything American is fake... I did say the chimp is for real.

It isn't that people in countries where Islam dominates are stupid. It is that only the stupid people stay in those countries.

.......why do you think the moon landing & the robots on Mars are fake ?.......

*****Is anything American for real?

As for Mars... you guys can't bribe the Bin Ladin family to give up Osama and you expect us to believe you had money to throw around so you could take pics of rocks? LOL

Posted by Tosser******

...............you are showing the kind of anti-scientific ignorance that is keeping the Muslim world in the dark ages........

.........you believe something to be false, when every scientist in the world, Pakistani included, understand that fact to be true........

"Hey, they cam make great island cities made of sand!"

They pay someone else to build them. You don't think they build them themselves, do you?

You don't think they build them themselves, do you?

No.. Dubai is built by Pakistanis and Indians. Arabs never lifted a finger to make all them buildings and roads and whatnot.

But so what?

you believe something to be false,

I didn't.

But now I know the lies all Americans are capable of, so this is a lie too maybe?

Who knows? LOL

It isn't that people in countries where Islam dominates are stupid. It is that only the stupid people stay in those countries.

How do you explain me then? hahahahahaha

Point is... you get a few pics from Mars (it is claimed).

So what?

China, Japan, Korea, etc. are still running rings around you. You are falling more and more behind in the stuff that matters.

What does America make anymore (except noise about "terror")? I don't know. There isn't a single American product in my home.

I was talking to a friend in India... he said there isn't anything American he can name either. He hasn't seen an American product since many years now. It's all made in China these days. And it's made much better.

Question is... do you matter any more? I don't think so.

If China or Japan, for example, vanished tomorrow, EVERYONE will feel it real bad.

If the US vanished tomorrow... who the hell cares? You are well on the road to irrelevance and accelerating. I doubt your St.Obama can save you.

Tosser - who are the architects that built Dubai - hint - it ain't you wogs, that's for sure.

"You are well on the road to irrelevance and accelerating."

And that road ends in Pakistan.

And that road ends in Pakistan.

Don't be sore. I am only stating the facts.

Pakistan has no pretensions of grandeur. But Americans do. I'm just saying you're shit like all the rest of us.

You aren't even good enough to lick the bottoms of China's shoes. LOL

who are the architects that built Dubai - hint - it ain't you wogs, that's for sure.

It takes vision to do what they have done with the hired help.

"Or haven't you noticed all those pictures from "Mars" look a lot like they were shot in Arizona? LOL"

Posted by Toaster

Arizona:

Something tells me Toaster's never been to Arizona.

And you would be right.

And something tells me you haven't been to Mars either.

My buddies at JPL have been on Mars via their robots for years.

So you say, so you say.... LOL

Tosser, could you please post a link naming the dozens of Pakistanis, or even just Muslim, scientists who have won Nobel Prizes in the sciences. I eagerly await.

"Tosser, could you please post a link naming the dozens of Pakistanis, or even just Muslim, scientists who have won Nobel Prizes in the sciences. I eagerly await."

Posted by moder8

Abdus Salam shares the Nobel with Steve Weinberg.

that's one. oh boy. they are on quite a roll now.

"You aren't even good enough to lick the bottoms of China's shoes. LOL"

Living in a third world shithole yourself, you probably don't see much wrong with the Chinese lifestyle. But trust me, things are much better here.

"He won a scholarship to Government College, University of the Punjab, and took his MA in 1946."

MA?

Ray's gonna be pissed.

So who gives a shit?

that's one. oh boy. they are on quite a roll now.

We will get better. That is the whole story.

Meanwhile you keep getting worse.

you probably don't see much wrong with the Chinese lifestyle

They keep getting better. Seen the olympics?

You are stagnant water.

Face it. The word "Muslim" and "science" should never be used together in the same sentence, unless it is to point out the lack thereof.

"They keep getting better."

When you're at the bottom, there is nowhere to go but up.

The word "Muslim" and "science" should never be used together in the same sentence, unless it is to point out the lack thereof.

People used to make fun of the Japanese and their products once.

Until they showed you how stupid you are. LOL

Unlike the Japanese, the Muslim world isn't homogeneous. It is very diverse. So it will take quite some time to make this juggernaut turn. But turn it will, as you can see from what I posted above, before the peanut gallery spoke up.

As for Pakistan (and India)... we are a very young country whose resources were stolen and destroyed. And yet, we have mankind's ultimate weapons (as do you) and can kill everyone on this planet about one and a half times. LOL. THAT is SCIENCE for you baby!

So if we can do THAT, we can do anything. Just a question of how much money we can throw at a problem.

When you're at the bottom, there is nowhere to go but up.

Err... so China is "at the bottom"???

O boy....

I believe the key to Muslims taking back world leadership of science depends on oil.

Oil must start to run out. Otherwise there would no billions invested in education and research.

Pakistan has the brains, but no money. Arabs have the money, but no brains. Oil running out will be a catalyst to make the two resources come together.

Blow the fuck out of Iran. THAT ought to do it. LOL

Tosser, my Pakistani friend --

I see you're getting hit from all sides on here about Islamic science contributions.
Thought I'd stop by for a second to throw you some ammo.