I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
He's a lumberjack and he's okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day

I cut down trees, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavat'ry
On Wednesdays I go shopping
And have buttered scones for tea
He cuts down trees...
He's a lumberjack...

I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I love to press wild flow'rs
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars
He cuts down trees...
He's a lumberjack...

I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspendies and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa
He cuts down trees...
He's a lumberjack...

I'm a lumberjack -- Monty Python

Reminds me of the fox that lost its tail --- in Aesop's fable --- and wanted the rest to cut their tails as well.

Good luck.

Wear the pants or shorts or shut the fuck up Cliff. The overwhelming majority of males in the West manage to wear pants and shorts on a daily basis without any complaints.

I hope a pit bull fucks this clown up.

"Wear the pants or shorts or shut the fuck up Cliff. The overwhelming majority of males in the West manage to wear pants and shorts on a daily basis without any complaints."

Posted by 101Chairborne

Ah yes, the Voice of Western Arrogance. Shouting down anything that is different than the American White Male Way.

Thank God in Heaven that the younger, up and coming generation is replacing you frakkiin' degenerate white fossils with a bit more tolerance and broader vision.

What the hell is it to you anyways if Cliff feels more comfortable wearing a kilt? Better men than you fought, killed, and died for their land across England wearing "unbifurcated garments."

Time to shit-can that black lamp boy in your front yard, y'a hack.

Mailman Fights for Right to Wear Kilt

Uhmm... No?

Tell the guy the shorts he's currently wearing are too small if his boys are cramped.

100% cotton underwear might help too. just a thought.

What the hell is so terrible about pants? The only really constricting pants are designer jeans. If your regular work shorts/slacks/etc are constructing your twig and/or berries, then you're wearing them wrong.

Time to shit-can that black lamp boy in your front yard, y'a hack.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-08-08 09:41 AM | Reply

It's on my back porch. It's called a Lawn Jockey.

Other than that, the uniform is the uniform. It's this "up and comming" generation that believes everyone needs to cater to them that is the problem. Too much time being told how special they are. Too many trophies for finishing in last place.

They're a bunch of soft little girls that happen to be male.

I'm sure you realize Cliff is going to be wearing shorts and or pants issued by the Post Office when this issue is settled, right?

I can't believe it, but I'm actually agreeing with 101.

A kilt is not part of the uniform..PERIOD....

I can't believe it, but I'm actually agreeing with 101.

Posted by Kinger at 2008-08-08 10:03 AM | Reply

If you take the name calling, taunting, and over-exagerations/
generalizations out of most of my posts you'd find you'll agree with most of what I say...Which is nothing!

I just wonder, why does anyone care what this guy wears???? Why do people need to tell other people what they should wear or not wear??? America is a nation of busy bodies.

.....most of what I say...Which is nothing!

If I agree with this, then it's self retorting.
Damm catch-22

If you take the name calling, taunting, and over-exagerations/
generalizations out of most of my posts you'd find you'll agree with most of what I say...Which is nothing! -- Chair

Killjoy. Couldn't even let the rest of us finish that sentence.

"I just wonder, why does anyone care what this guy wears????"
--DANNI

The people employing him care, because they want their employees to look professional. They're paying him to wear a uniform and go around delivering mail. No one is suggesting that kilts can't be worn on their own time.

I'm not even allowed to wear shorts or jeans at work, because that was a decision by my employer hoping to keep a professional image in the work place.

I assumed you would understand; doesn't Burger King have a uniform dress code?

Why do people need to tell other people what they should wear or not wear???
Posted by Danni

Really, Danni?

He can wear anything he wants when he's off the clock... but while he's at work, he's a representative of the USPS.

You allow one guy to wear a kilt, then you have to allow another to wear a regular skirt, then you have to allow every mail carrier to wear whatever they please and nobody can be identified as a postal employee on sight anymore, and anybody can impersonate a postal employee with no effort.

This thread is a perfect example of common sense not being so common.

"I just wonder, why does anyone care what this guy wears???? Why do people need to tell other people what they should wear or not wear??? America is a nation of busy bodies."

Erm... Its a uniform. This guy can frolic around in dresses all he wants in his free time. The taxpayer foots the bill for shorts and pants. There is no reason why we should have to pay for kilts just because one guy apparently doesn't know how to ask for pants that fit him.

Where's Rudoff when you need him? Women have been wearing pants to work for years, and the post office can't design a skirt for its male employees?

Women have been wearing pants to work for years, and the post office can't design a skirt for its male employees?

Posted by Phoenix

LOL... if it came down to it and a majority of male postal employees started asking to have the skirt option, then maybe that might happen.

"They're a bunch of soft little girls that happen to be male."

Posted by 101Chairborne

Tell that to the Scots.

We'll be watching for your obit.

Tell that to the Scots.

We'll be watching for your obit.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-08-08 10:51 AM | Reply

Can somebody explain this leftwing fascination with quoting somebody and then responding with something that has nothing to do with the quoted material?

Anyone?

"This thread is a perfect example of common sense not being so common.

Posted by 101Chairborne "

Nurse Ratchit point that out to you, chief?

Tell that to the Scots.

No shit. When you seem them in the parades around here they are mostly big burly red-headed guys with looks on their faces like they will whip the world's ass, one English bastard at a time.

There is nothing feminine about kilts as far as I have seen.

"The taxpayer foots the bill for shorts and pants."

Are you sure about that??? Somehow I think they probably have to buy their own uniforms.

"Are you sure about that??? Somehow I think they probably have to buy their own uniforms."

I'm not sure. But someone would have to design the new kilt. Then someone would have to approve it. And God knows how many levels the process has to go through but I'm sure it would waste a bunch of money. All to please one guy who can't just ask for pants that fit him.

Mailmen get a clothing allowance, so yes, the tax payer foots the bill.

Sorry, gang, but kilts aren't part of the uniform. Government job, uniform, you're stuck with it.

"Let the wind blow high, let the wind blow low!
Through the streets in my kilt I'll go!
All the lassies say 'Hello!'
Donald where's your trousers?!"

--Irish Rovers, "Donald Where's Your Trousers?!"

Cliff-if you want to wear something dress-like, just wait until Friday nights and do what 101 does. Just don't go attacking MacDonalds employees, though.

And less, i know a kilt isn't a dress, but if Cliff were to wear a real kilt, half a mile long and made of wool, he'd be back in his bermudas PDQ.

"Mailmen get a clothing allowance, so yes, the tax payer foots the bill."

The USPS gets no government subsidy, which would mean in this case the customers foot the bill.

Danforth,

I'm not doubting the article but it says "The USPS gets no subsidy for operations"

do they get a subsidy for something else?

The USPS gets no government subsidy, which would mean in this case the customers foot the bill.

www.washingtontimes.com

Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-08 11:28 AM | Reply

I should have known that because that info was posted on the retort previously.

Does the Fed (tax payer) pay for the postal workers retirements/benefits?

"Does the Fed (tax payer) pay for the postal workers retirements/benefits?"

No, that's also within the USPS system.

"do they get a subsidy for something else?"

I don't know, but if the author was thorough, he/she should have stated as much. It's easy to argue a subsidy for one thing is actually a subsidy for another.

I just seem to remember from years past reports the USPS was a separate entity, albeit a bit of a protected monopoly.

Well if they're running like a private business then the answer is easier: We are too busy competing with UPS, FedEx and everyone else to indulge one individual who can't seem to order pants that fit him.

Their business isn't fashion. Any efforts wasted on this detracts from their operations.

Some businesses make their employees dress as giant hot dogs. What if they requested a chicken suit instead?

YOU GOTTA FIGHT

FOR YOUR RIGHT

TO CROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSS-DRESS

Calm down there, kinger. :)

Who knew Klinger read the DR?

Who knew Klinger read the DR?

Posted by Phoenix

That's funny.

You have uniform. Wear it or quit!

Why don't he just handle his claim the same way other postal workers do, with a gun.

"Why don't he just handle his claim the same way other postal workers do, with a gun." - LIP

Captured on hidden mic... "Is that a gun under your kilt or are you just happy to see me?"

Wasn't there a requirement to wear a postal uniform when he signed up? Ass hole.

Geeez, take a chill pill. The guy wants to wear a kilt to work. What's the difference between this and someone wearing a crucifix to work? It's a sign of national heritage, not a fashion statement.

Of course, the company or courts will have to be the final arbitrator of this - if it goes that far.

But the retorts here are bordering on the pathetic.

I could only wish that all our mailmen here in the very gay city of Palm Springs wore Kilts to work.

I'm sure the local binocular shop would be overwhelmed with orders!

What's the difference between this and someone wearing a crucifix to work? - Upthedumpshoot1

Speaking of retorts bordering on the pathetic - no need to any further than that one as a start.

Geeez, take a chill pill. The guy wants to wear a kilt to work.It's a sign of national heritage, not a fashion statement.

Yes, I am sure that it seems that way for someone who lives a life of no accountability. I am sure you are right - we should all be able to wear a swimsuit to work - Football players should be able to wear their favorite teams jerseys even if its a team they don't play for.

The guy new the uniform requirements when he accepted the job - case closed.

for Dumpling:
Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize

new=knew

Geeez, take a chill pill. The guy wants to wear a kilt to work. What's the difference between this and someone wearing a crucifix to work? It's a sign of national heritage, not a fashion statement.

Posted by DUMPLING1

First off dum(good choice of names guy) are you for real?

There are many things wrong with it.

1) What country is he from?
What country is he working for? He can wear anything he likes after work and on weekends.
3) Isn't there a uniform for postal workers?
4) I think there is quite a difference between clothes and jewelry.
5) He is just trying to stur the pot so it stinks. If you don't, it won't.

"..What's the difference between this and someone wearing a crucifix to work? - Upthedumpshoot1

...Speaking of retorts bordering on the pathetic - no need to any further than that one as a start. Posted by ELDICKHEAD90"

No need to any further than that one as a start????

That's your idea of English? Okay. You talk pretty one day! Just go get some more edumication. Try JESUS W. BUSH Elemintry Schul!

So you don't find it offensive when someone wears a crucifix to work - but a kilt is out of the friggin' question?

The concept of Kilt and Crucifix are the same. They both are sending an instantaneous message: One of National Pride, the other of Religious Supplication.

SNIPER:

First off dum(good choice of names guy) are you for real?

What's the matter with you. Dum is spelled Dumb. And your mispelling of it makes you look...well DUM (sic).

Yes, there are uniforms for postal workers. They have changed over the years. Including those for women who are allowed to wear pants. Their claim for change was that the pants were MORE COMFORTABLE to WORK IN.

Why aren't you bitching about THAT???

1) What country is he from?

I sure as hell don't know. And OBVIOUSLY you don't either, which makes your pathetic attacks of his request all the more ridiculous. At least I am allowing for the idea that he may have the same reason as women postal workers to wear his kilt.

Now the both of you, go split a double dose of chill pills and get over your fragile masculinity: your panties are bunching.

NORTHGUY:

Loved the song. Thanks!

One more thing:

In my first post I wrote: Of course, the company or courts will have to be the final arbitrator of this - if it goes that far.

This reminds me of the Burka-Wearing Thread at McDonalds. I was in favor of McDonalds issuing a company approved Burka as a compromise of last resort in that case - something that the woman would have to live with.

Hey! Idea: The post office could offer him the same uniform skirt USPS Women used to wear. If it's about his Branch and Grapefruits being strangled then he can wear that skirt!

How would that strike y'all?

Ultimately I stand by my original claim: The USPS will decide and the guy can quit if he doesn't like it.

"Geeez, take a chill pill. The guy wants to wear a kilt to work. What's the difference between this and someone wearing a crucifix to work? It's a sign of national heritage, not a fashion statement."

Postal carriers wear uniforms because their job necessitates that people recognize them as postal carriers. Its really not that complicated an issue.

NANC-
In that second link, what is meaning of that band member holding up the #12?

Karl Malone can wear whatever he damn well pleases.

If it's not Scottish it's crap!!!!

Hey, let's let cops wear gand banger attire and drive lowriders.

Retnluvnit-
They do. It's called the vice squad.

bet..DUH. But let them do it 24/7 why not?

Stupid fuck.

i want to wear shorts and sandals to work every day, but they company that employs me has a dress code. it's their company..if i want to work there, i abide by it. if i don't, i go to work somewhere else. why does everyone think they are so special these days...so deserving...that everyone else should change to accomodate them? wear whatever you want on your own time...not my place to say what you should or shouldn't do...but work is work. either deal with it or find another job.

"i(sic) want to wear shorts and sandals to work every day, but they(sic) company that employs me has a dress code."

I work (in my retirement from the Fortune 50) as a physicist at a university.

They don't care about shorts and sandals, unless I'm in the lab, then sandals are out.

Simple literacy, on the other hand ...

Where's the tolerance?

Let him wear his skirt, dammit.

the women at the post office have a skirt they may wear, why not the men?

It aint that he wants to wear it, but that he wants someone else to pay for him to wear it.

Where's a 'good' Pit Bull when you need one?

Aw, what the hell, swing'em in the breeze if you want, I won't mind, cause I gotta work three jobs to qualify to be a RETORT reader, damn $60K!

Find a job where you can where your skirt.

p.s. from what i've heard in the past - the "skirt" is also a seasonal issue with men who have to begin wearing pants on a certain date - and later a heat wave flares up and they're stuck in their britches until the next spring.