He got the endorsment of the govenor of Wyoming by promising not to drill there and now he's open to drilling.

I listened to his entire speech. I was very impressed.

Obama, for the first time, has me (((energized))) about his candidacy.

He is willing to give some off shore drilling concessions. That's okay with me -- as along as it's only done in Florida and not off the coast of California. (grin)

I thought Obama had a number of very good, solid ideas and backed them up with hard facts.
No pie in the sky talk. Was also glad that FOX played his entire speech.

Obama wisely used T. Boone Pickens as a good example of how to work together on alternative energy. He said something like "Pickens is not a Democrat and is a Texas oil man..." and then went on to praise him for wanting to look at wind power as an energy method.

Obama won me over with this speech. That should mean something to you Obama diehards because until now I has not locked into either candidate's camp.

"He got the endorsment of the govenor of Wyoming by promising not to drill there and now he's open to drilling."

only with the permission of the state involved I think.

btw -- The article was updated 22 minutes ago and will probably be updated again as Obama has just concluded his speech.

What I don't understand is why Obama is making his energy policy public. I thought energy policy was supposed to be decided by fat cats in secret meetings.

Danni

only with the permission of the state involved I think.

I think you're right about the states having to give permission to drill -- including offshore. Obama may be able to get an okay for drilling off the coast of Florida (you have more Republicans in your legislature) but he'll have a tough time swinging over California for offshore drillling.

At first I thought I'd be bored -- energy, blah blah blah -- but his speech had so many sound and innovative ideas that you felt Obama wasn't just (as he sometimes does) looking through rose-colored glasses and made you believe it's actually possible to achieve most of the energy goals he set out.

I liked the part where he said Bush's own energy czar said even if we opened up and drilled every square inch of our U.S. oil reserves it would only be equal to 3% of the world's oil market.

Breaking news at the top states Morgan Freeman is in serious condition after a car accident.

Very ironic. Get well soon, Morgan.

[Obama] also wants to create 5 million "green" jobs and eliminate the need for oil from the Middle East within 10 years.

If he is elected, it will be interesting to see how he plans to accomplish this. Eliminate the need for oil from the Middle East within 10 years while at the same time only marginally open to the idea of domestic drilling. He says we don't have enough oil for it to make a difference. So that means no oil. The big question is this: What will replace this oil? Has he got some new energy source that will power all the planes, trains and automobiles in the US? If so, I want to hear it and I want to know why he hasn't told the country what it is and how he could have it working in every crook and crany in this country.

All within 10 years.

I'll wait for an intelligent response.

anamerican

i've been talking to a lot of my friends who work for different energy companies

some oil

some fuel cells

some other types

and they think that if you put the money in energy outside of oil

it is 99.9 percent likely to happen with enough money

obama plans on taking it from 3 billion to 15 billion a year in funding for alternative feuls

thats a huge increase and a lot of people in electric technologies think that will be enough to get off foreign feul at least for cars.

just to add

mccain wants to give a prize of 300 million

after they discover how to get a viable 100 mpg car

catch 22
they need more money to be able to fund the research needed to create such a car or energy supply.

alternative feul is even more needed for house hold needs then vehicle.

And the original plan was to switch to digital tv in 1996.

thats a huge increase and a lot of people in electric technologies think that will be enough to get off foreign feul at least for cars.

Klifferd, do you really believe Obama is going to have us totally off oil within 10 years? Even if you sunk more money than you suggested, there is no way we could have an AFFORDABLE alternative for the average American to use within 10 years. Not to mention that everyone would have to have a new car, new heating sytem and anything else that formally used fuel.

Remember when we went from the major use of wood and coal to heat our homes? People could still use coal for a while because it was available and some people still use wood. With this "no oil after 10 years" idea, households could not continue to use their old systems until they needed replacement because it wouldn't be available.

And he plans to levy windfall profits tax on the oil companies to give every American adult $500?

The oil companies make a profit margin of about 9%. Microsofts' margin is 18%. Agribuisness' margin is 13%. Housing construction is 20%. Will those all be next because they all are obviously ripping us off? The government is going to dictate how much profit is fair and confiscate the rest?

heh, oh Barry.

How can you be taken seriously?

Only the delusional can follow you now.

anamerican

i think we can get to a point in 10 years
that if want to update our systems we will be able to

currently we spend protype costs to do this.

in 10 years with research we can make mass produced systems that can be integrated for well below the current cost of an oil free home.

Klifferd, do you really believe Obama is going to have us totally off oil within 10 years?

Posted by anamerican at 2008-08-04 10:08 PM |

[Obama] also wants to create 5 million "green" jobs and eliminate the need for oil from the Middle East within 10 years

Huge difference there anamerican.

We only get about 20% of our oil from the middle east...

Repeat from another thread:

"However, Obama himself voted for a 2005 energy bill backed by Bush that included billions in subsidies for oil and natural gas production, a measure Cheney played a major role in developing.

McCain opposed the bill on grounds it included billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry."

Expect the plan to be attacked and ridiculed for several weeks............followed up by Republicant's claiming they thought of it. Soon you'll see them using the ideas as their own. Just like Bush did with Obama's idea of diplomacy with Iran.

All within 10 years.

I'll wait for an intelligent response.

Posted by anamerican at 2008-08-04 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

You yourself said it right in your own post.

MIDDLE EAST OIL. There is oil to be had from many other parts of the globe that don't want to kill us for being there.

I thought Flop Ears said we just had to fill up our tires. Is this speech a flip flop?

obamaniggah gonna start taxin air to fund alternative energies.

obamaniggah gonna start taxin air to fund alternative energies.

Posted by Libssuck

I don't believe so, but a retard tax might be an idea...

With this "no oil after 10 years" idea, households could not continue to use their old systems until they needed replacement because it wouldn't be available.

where did he say "no oil'? You apparently hear as well as McSame speaks...

think you're right about the states having to give permission to drill -- including offshore. Obama may be able to get an okay for drilling off the coast of Florida (you have more Republicans in your legislature) but he'll have a tough time swinging over California for offshore drillling.

Posted by CalifChris

Arnold has already said no. Expect Florida to say no after November. Remember, Bush banned off Florida drilling for his brother, a Republican.

"Obama, for the first time, has me (((energized))) about his candidacy" CChris

With that conversion...I am sure your sentence to the "ignorant slut" club will now be commuted.

Do I hear an Amen?

Only mention of nuclear power in the article is McCain visiting a nuke plant... did anyone who watched the speech hear anything about creating new nuclear power plants?

a $1,000 rebate to people struggling with high energy costs.

Hmmm... I'll be interested in seeing who fits in this category.

First please cease any racial name calling - no need for it.

Secondly - this is another completely incoherent "policy" full of soundbites and semantic nonsense. I can totally see why Obama does not want to debate because he will get anihilated by McCain over energy and the Iraq war.

I am sorry for you Obama supporters as your only hope of winning this election is to move election day to tomorrow because every day that goes by Obama looks like a shell and quite frankly his youth is starting to look immature - Axlewrong has his work cut out to keep this charade going all the way to election day.

Another day another incoherent policy designed to confuse rather than inform.

"day that goes by Obama looks like a shell and quite frankly his youth is starting to look immature"

And your pulling for the guy who forgets a question just after it's asked?

Bwahhhhhhhhhh! Oh shit that's a hoot. Thank you my friend.

"incoherent policy designed to confuse rather than inform"

Like the policy of drill drill drill. I think the $1000 for a rebate not such a great idea. If that money would be poured into new energies.....

Obama outlined three steps he'd take to meet that goal:

1. Build fuel-efficient cars and have one million 150 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrids on the roads within six years

2. Require that 10 percent of the country's energy come from renewable sources by the end of his first term

3. Call on businesses, government and the American people to meet the goal of reducing the demand for electricity 15 percent by the end of the next decade.

Yeah ok. Lets address these:

1. The prius gets like what 50mpg so in the next six years we need to develop a plug in hybrid that gets 3 times the mileage and sell 1 mil. of them?

We go from no energy policy (Bush) to a not perfect energy policy (Obama) and the righties pick it apart. Howzabout you monkeys get the leaders on the right to craft an energy policy and then we'll talk...rubes.

"and the righties pick it apart."

Posted by evilpolock

Thanks, EP.

It is not fair to scrutinize or ask questions about Obama's policies. We must give him the benefit of the doubt.

"in july 2008 a total of 22,858 hybrids were sold = 274,296/year. So it would take almost 4 years worth of sales to reach 1mil."

You're assuming the sales rate of E-cars would only be that of current gas-electric hybrids. That's a false assumption, especially if E-cars are clearly the future.

"Renewable energys market share stood at almost 7 percent in 2006, slightly greater than for 2005. So 3 percent in 4 years?"

No, that would be a 42% increase in market share in 4 years.

A 'Plan' it does not seem to be, maybe he could call it a wish list (wishing being right up there with hope and change).

Only mention of nuclear power in the article is McCain visiting a nuke plant... did anyone who watched the speech hear anything about creating new nuclear power plants?
rob-he visited Fermi2 in Monroe, MI. He should explain what happened to Fermi 1 and 3/4 of the rest of MI nuke plants. Oopsies and what the fuck do we do with all this waste did them in.
Then again, he probably forgot 1 comes before 2.

did anyone who watched the speech hear anything about creating new nuclear power plants?

McCain talked about creating new nuclear plants.

Obama talked about Coal (Which America still has lots of) and alternative fuels and energy strategies and sitting down with the Big Three auto makers and telling them the days of building shitty cars are over.

G08ama.

Be Well.

You're assuming the sales rate of E-cars would only be that of current gas-electric hybrids. That's a false assumption, especially if E-cars are clearly the future.
Posted by Danforth

I was being generous. Toyota cannot produce the current demand for the prius after how many years in production? The production capacity will not be there to produce much more than they can now due to re-tooling. What about battery production. This goal is a campaign talking point which can never be realized in 6 years due to logistics. 10 or more years it might happen.

Yes the 3% additional share of total production is actually an increase of 42% over current renewable production.

LoD,
Nah, pick away. It's just sad how those on the right suddenly want substance when what they voted for, twice, was bullshit...and they defend it even til this day!

only with the permission of the state involved I think.

Posted by danni at 2008-08-04

I believe thats the way of the ten's porposal is too as it should be. wonder how pelosi is going to get to all of those states and block voting in each one of those states. that will be pretty tough, of course saving the world was never easy.

"This goal is a campaign talking point which can never be realized in 6 years due to logistics. 10 or more years it might happen."

Isn't that the same logic the "drill now" folks use?

...Big Three auto makers and telling them the days of building shitty cars are over. - spud

My 99 Expedition has never had a problem spud. Replaced the tires and breaks only in 107k miles. What's $hitty about that?

The oil companies make a profit margin of about 9%. Microsofts' margin is 18%. Agribuisness' margin is 13%. Housing construction is 20%. Will those all be next because they all are obviously ripping us off? The government is going to dictate how much profit is fair and confiscate the rest?

Posted by anamerican

well when those companies become the company takeover dujour, then it will be the "RIGHT" thing for him to do then. and when you cant question him or criticize him or be called names and shit, whatcha ya gonna do?

Isn't that the same logic the "drill now" folks use?

Posted by Danforth

No. To my knowledge, the opponents are saying that.

Expect the plan to be attacked and ridiculed for several weeks............followed up by Republicans claiming they thought of it. Soon you'll see them using the ideas as their own. Just like Bush did with Obama's idea of diplomacy with Iran.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008

well it will be pretty hard for us to do this what with him flipping to something else tomorrow.
so whats it gonna be. is he FOR tapping reserves or not????? and liberals are known for unintended consequences to their 'feel good' actions.......so all opec has to do is shut it off for one day and we are fucked............BUT AT LEAST LIBS WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT..........

and we have not had ONE SINGLE MEETING with iran. having a guy in the room while others talked isnt really having high level talks.....but I can see where the left has screamed foryears to do this and when we might, they scream the other way......

Anyone who believes the Middle East will be out of serving up Americans' oil in 10 years is out of his mind. It betrays either a profound ignorance of basic economics, of the oil industry itself, or merely an attempt at pandering to retards.

As long as Saudi Arabia can profitably pump at $20 a barrel, they will sell every drop of oil that comes out of the ground. The world's oil price is determined by the cost of the last marginal barrel; the ME countries are dead last in the list of marginal energy producers.

5 million green jobs. In ten years, Obama wants three times as many green jobs as we have farmers. Just what--exactly--is going to keep all these people busy?

Pandering. It'll be interesting to see how many DR lefties trip over themselves to celebrate Obama's genius. Let's see.

If McCain had given the identical speech the righties would be fawning all over themselves how great it was.

As Obama pointed out in his speech, we've been talking about this for 30 years with nothing getting done - and McCain was there 26 of those years.

PS ELCID, you DO know ELCID, hero of Spain, fought on both the Christian and Muslim sides don't you? Man without a cause.

My 99 Expedition has never had a problem spud. Replaced the tires and breaks only in 107k miles. What's $hitty about that?

How very "small picture" of you.

Why is Spud not surprised?

The shitty part comes when you realise that the Big Three Automakers are no longer GM, Ford and Chrysler but are more realistically Honda, Toyota and Nissan.

When you realise that the ppv (profit per vehicle) gap between them two groups has only widened in Japan's favor over the years.

When you realise that rather than embracing the future in terms of alternatives like hybrids and e-cars the West's automakers have resorted to building tanks on wheels and then geting the US government to reclassify them in order to avoid meeting CAFE standards.

When you realise that because Japan has nationalised health care that makes them more competitive in the marketplace while America continues to equate national health care with communism or sommat.

When you realise that the huge overcompensation packages of FAILed auto execs in the US exceeds any other country on earth.

Spud's glad that yer own car is doing okay though.

That's nice, thinks Spud.

Be Well.

and McCain was there 26 of those years.
"I was?"
John Mcsame

The shitty part comes when...

Not what you said oh great potato head. You said producing #hitty cars. If you want to talk about their business practices that is another item.

Healthcare - not denied to anyone in the U.S. as far as I know. Health insurance - different issue altogether.

PS ELCID, you DO know ELCID, hero of Spain, fought on both the Christian and Muslim sides don't you? Man without a cause.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

As usual, a lib making poor assumptions. As my screen name has nothing to do with the character so well portrayed by Chuck Heston, I surmise yours has nothing to do with unity in America?

WASHINGTON - Solid margins among women, minorities and young voters have powered Barack Obama to a 6 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential race, according to a poll released Tuesday.

Obama is ahead of his Republican rival 47 percent to 41 percent, The Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed. The survey was taken after the Democratic senator from Illinois had returned from a trip to Middle Eastern and European capitals, and during a week that saw the two camps clash over which had brought race into a campaign in which Obama is striving to become the first African-American president.

McCain, the senator from Arizona, is leading by 10 points among whites and is even with Obama among men, groups with whom Republicans traditionally do well in national elections.

Buh bye, John.....

If Obama's energy plan includes taking my gas guzzler, he will have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel.

"If Obama's energy plan includes taking my gas guzzler, he will have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel."

Fair enough.

ELCID

Rushbots have no interest in being unified with anyone but their own kind. So, I view the potential of your being a U.S. citizen first about as likely as George W Bush's face being carved on Mount Rushmore.

Rushbots are sycoophantic idiots. I respect a lot of Republicans, Hagel, Spector, all those who know the difference between right and wrong and stand up for what's right regardless. Just yesterday I heard Rush and Hannity mocking Obama over tire inflation and tuneups saving an incredible amount of oil, when facts are it does save an incredible amount of oil. Then there's the fact we're EXPORTING oil at a rate equal to the amount offshore drilling would garner a decade from now. Conservation is an immediate way to reduce our dependence on oil, but the rightwing shockjocks would have YOU believe otherwise. They're idiots.

I used to respect McCain in the same way, but the guy's become Bush III to pander to the far right lunatics such as yourself. It's going to cost him his shot at the White House I think.

well it will be pretty hard for us to do this what with him flipping to something else tomorrow.
so whats it gonna be. is he FOR tapping reserves or not????? and liberals are known for unintended consequences to their 'feel good' actions.......so all opec has to do is shut it off for one day and we are fucked............BUT AT LEAST LIBS WILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT..........

and we have not had ONE SINGLE MEETING with iran. having a guy in the room while others talked isnt really having high level talks.....but I can see where the left has screamed foryears to do this and when we might, they scream the other way......

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-08-05 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

You're completely talking out your ass again.

You're just like McSames campaign that was saying the other week that they had an attack ad ready for Obama if he visited the troops and one if he didn't visit the troops. You're the same exact way. There is no making headway with you. So, I won't bother anymore.

Tell me, when it comes to 'feeling good about yourself', do you feel good when you see a gay couple that can't get married? Does that give you a warm and fuzzy? When you hear about someone gunning down someone else, do you smile and say "praise jesus and the NRA"?

As for FLIP FLOPPING, don't pretend your own candidate doesn't have a record of doing the same that's at least as long.

AU makes another wrong assumption. I do not listen to Rush - his entertainment value dropped when Clinton left office. I occasionally listen to Michael Savage on the way home. I have XM in the office and keep it on 113.

I actually had good intentions for coming to this site - wanted to see what "the other side" felt about issues. Come to find out, no good debates here - just serve and volley - repeat.

The label of rushbots could just as easily be laid upon obama supporters. I can count on 1 hand the number of times a lefty has challenged him on an issue - a bit of a stretch maybe two hands.

wind farms and solar panels have been around for 20 years,big things expected to happen every time gas goes up and when gas goes down who cares. oil 90 dollars by christmas 10 dollars less then my first prediction.

Calling the country's addiction to oil "one of the most dangerous and urgent threats this nation has ever faced," Barack Obama unveiled his energy plan, which includes a windfall profits tax on big oil corporations that would be used to provide a $1,000 rebate to people struggling with high energy costs. Obama also wants to create five million "green" jobs and eliminate the need for oil from the Middle East within 10 years.

While the Chinese are trading their bicycles for cars, Americans will be trading cars for bicycles.

Vote Obama/McCain. They know how to make your life miserable.

Healthcare - not denied to anyone in the U.S. as far as I know. Health insurance - different issue altogether.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-05 05:34 PM

My 99 Expedition has never had a problem spud. Replaced the tires and breaks only in 107k miles. What's $hitty about that?

how much does it cost to fill the tank?

how much does it cost to fill the tank?

Posted by donnerboy

It has a 30 gallon tank - came with the towing package. Gets 15 mpg on the highway.

and they think that if you put the money in energy outside of oil

it is 99.9 percent likely to happen with enough money

obama plans on taking it from 3 billion to 15 billion a year in funding for alternative feuls(sic)

thats a huge increase and a lot of people in electric technologies think that will be enough to get off foreign feul(sic) at least for cars.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-08-04 05:05 PM

So, what do you think?

Did oil futures plummet in price because we are talking about Drilling (McCain's big idea) for more oil that may or may not be available in 10 years

OR

because (under Obama's leadership) America... the most technologically advanced nation on the EARTH is talking about directing its attention to finally solving the "Energy Problem" once and for all.

ELCID

You've given ZERO reasons to vote for McCain, yet spend countless time bashing Obama.

You ARE a 'Rushbot' - the name for all you right wing hacks.

Gets 15 mpg on the highway.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-05 07:20 PM

THAT is the $hitty part friend.

Gets 15 mpg on the highway.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-05 07:20 PM

THAT is the $hitty part friend.

Except due to the ignorance of folks like you hundreds die every day.

sleep well...

Posted by donnerboy

I sleep very well. Thanks. The 60% of my tax dollars I contribute to the "entitlement" programs is sufficient enough welfare.

The answer was plutonium; One gets down to half a tank in 25,000 years; But that required an educated, thinking populace.

Exterminating the useless would have been so much easier in the 50's.

It's still necessary.

You try rowing halfway around the planet with nothing but a fucking sextant.

THAT is the $hitty part friend.

Posted by donnerboy
It wasn't when I bought it. And after 9 years of ownership it has been a great vehicle. It hauls my family around in saftey and pulls the boat just fine. Nothing $shitty about that. Hard to pull a boat with a prius.

how much does it cost to fill the tank?

Posted by donnerboy

It has a 30 gallon tank - came with the towing package. Gets 15 mpg on the highway.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-05 07:20 PM

In Los Angeles it would cost you $119.70 for your 30 gallon tank at $3.95 a gallon for regular unleaded. Today's going price out here.

You've given ZERO reasons to vote for McCain - AU

Here is the best one - he will not raise my taxes!

Others include:
*Including Nuclear power as part of the energy equation.
*Pro life
*Get rid of pork barrel spending
*Secure our borders first

I paid $3.47 in Lake Jackson, TX this weekend. When I bought it, it cost about $30 to fill.

ElCid

That price of $3.95 per gallon is actually the lowest it's been for awhile now. Just a couple weeks ago it was around $4.20 per gallon for regular, unleaded at a self-serve gas sation. California puts a lot of surcharges and taxes on our gasoline so the price here is higher than almost anywhere else in the nation (except for Hawaii and Alaska).

While the Chinese are trading their bicycles for cars, Americans will be trading cars for bicycles.

~Ray

As my screen name has nothing to do with the character so well portrayed by Chuck Heston.

~El Squid

Charlton Heston was a psycho biatch on wheelz.

A complete Shit-heel.

Deth would cheerfully tap dance on his grave and then piss on it.

Be Well.

But Spud, I was referring to Obama's energy plan carried to its ultimate conclusion. There is no problem that Washington can't make worse.

"Anyone who believes the Middle East will be out of serving up Americans' oil in 10 years is out of his mind. It betrays either a profound ignorance of basic economics, of the oil industry itself, or merely an attempt at pandering to retards."

As much as I hate to agree with RightiRight, he's correct on this issue. There is zero chance of Obama's plan making the U.S. independent of foreign oil. That would require strong measures such as a 4 or 5 dollar gasoline tax, which is politically impossible.

That would require strong measures such as a 4 or 5 dollar gasoline tax, which is politically impossible.

Not to mention economic suicide. Aw what the hell. What's one more shot to the head?

"Not to mention economic suicide. "

Bullshit. It would have to be phased in, but ultimately it would save billions, reduce trade deficits, reduce the incentive to engage in military adventures in oil-rich countries, etc. The revenues gained could be rebated to taxpayers or used to pay down the debt.

"I paid $3.47 in Lake Jackson, TX this weekend. When I bought it, it cost about $30 to fill"

A 9-gallon tank? What year is your Yugo?

But Spud, I was referring to Obama's energy plan carried to its ultimate conclusion. There is no problem that Washington can't make worse.

~Ray

It's really a vicious cycle.

Corporate world corrupts Washington.

Washington corrupts Corporate world.

The MSM plays along as usual.

The difference between ragging on the corporations and the government is that government actually has a mandate to respond to the people's will and a corporation's mandate is purely to increase profit fer it's shareholders.

The only imperative in the world of BigBiz is monetary while there is a moral and social component to government's mandate.

Until people realise they vote more often and with more impact with their purchases every day than they do with their ballot every coupla years, that will not change.

All that sed, it was a cheap shot wot Spud took there.

Any chance to make a "Fat American" joke and Spud is all over it like Pavlov's dog on a bell shaped piece of kibble.

Laws, Deth is weak Spud.

M-O-O-N that spells Contrite!

Be Well.

You're so damn delusional and clueless, it's pathetic. Don't worry. The dollar is taking a rest from it's downward crash. Watch the moaning when gas reaches $5, $6 and up.

The revenues gained could be rebated to taxpayers or used to pay down the debt.

The freaking debt, bonded and unbonded, is over $100 trillion. You didn't fall into a rabbit hole; you fell into an abyss.

"You're so damn delusional and clueless, it's pathetic."

Nothing but ad hominem from Ray, as usual.

It's really a vicious cycle.

Corporate world corrupts Washington.

Washington corrupts Corporate world.

Yes. It's a symbiotic relationship. One has the money; the other has the guns.

The difference between ragging on the corporations and the government is that government actually has a mandate to respond to the people's will and a corporation's mandate is purely to increase profit fer it's shareholders.

That's what dupes are led to believe.

Nothing but ad hominem from Ray, as usual.

Posted by nullifidian

No ad hominem intended. I'm serious. What's so scary is that there are so many out there like you.

You have these grandiose ideas how government should work that have no bearing on reality. You make a Christian look sane.

"You have these grandiose ideas how government should work that have no bearing on reality." Posted by any 1775 Loyalist

PS: Anyone have any recipes for Silver Soup or Gold Goulash? I certainly can't think of any use for these things when the economy collapses.

Truth

That's because you lack imagination. When the economy collapses, worthless paper money will buy you nothing.

What's a 1775 loyalist? Whatever it is, it's irrelevant.

"No ad hominem intended. I'm serious. What's so scary is that there are so many out there like you."

Bla bla bla. It's because of free market fundies like you that America is in such bad shape in energy policy in the first place. People with your fact-challenged philosophy is the reason America is so energy inefficient in the first place. Europe has high gas taxes, and consumes less than half per capita.

"When the economy collapses, worthless paper money will buy you nothing."

And unless you can eat silver or gold those things will be worthless as well.

"What's a 1775 loyalist?"

The people in 1775, who were loyal to the King, and who said of the Founding Fathers, "You have these grandiose ideas how government should work that have no bearing on reality."

Those who don't learn from history... Well, anyone aware of our country's history will know how that one ends.

Well, anyone aware of our country's history will know how that one ends.

Ain't that the sad truth.

Europe has high gas taxes, and consumes less than half per capita.

Yeah, but they're still in Europe at the end of the day...build a bridge across the Atlantic, and I'd wager more than half would drive across.

...just to get away from the high gas taxes...

"Yeah, but they're still in Europe at the end of the day...build a bridge across the Atlantic, and I'd wager more than half would drive across."

Spoken like a typical ignorant American.

MCO-
Only if they could pay the toll in the now inferior Bush dollars instead of the solid euro.

..and then go back with the cool shit they bought dirt cheap on the exchange.

Bla bla bla. It's because of free market fundies like you that America is in such bad shape in energy policy in the first place. People with your fact-challenged philosophy is the reason America is so energy inefficient in the first place. Europe has high gas taxes, and consumes less than half per capita.

There is no free market, moron. This fucking fascist/ socialist government you love so well screws up everything it touches. It works wonderful as long as you turn a blind eye to it.

As the world's reserve currency, the US screwed foreigners by exporting IOUs for real goods. That's why the Balance of Payments deficit is so high. Cheap money lured Americans into going into debt over their heads. Now it's all going to come crashing down. You wouldn't know that because you're stupid.

I'm going. If I stay and argue with you, then I'll look as stupid as you.

Nullifidiot, has it not occured to you that many European countries are much smaller than, say, Texas? If you don't have far to go, you're not gonna use as much gas, you anti-American hack. Here's a newsflash....if you wanna pay higher taxes, you're allowed to donate to the government. Write the check, big spender....

I'm going. If I stay and argue with you, then I'll look as stupid as you.

Well said, Ray.

"I'm going."

Good. Everything you've said so far is retarded.

"This fucking fascist/ socialist government you love so well screws up everything it touches."

It's really existing capitalism, dummy. Ideologues like you call anything short of 100% pure laissez-faire capitalism given the Von Mises Institute Official Seal of Approval "socialism". You're a blithering idiot.

MCOBAMAHILLARY

Another moron (with another ID) who won't admit the GOP Congress had 6 years to come up with a real plan to get us off of foreign oil and onto new technologies.

Instead they doubled the budget and increased our debt by 40% - borrowing from Communists to spend it on what? Nothing that did US any good.

"Nullifidiot, has it not occured to you that many European countries are much smaller than, say, Texas? If you don't have far to go, you're not gonna use as much gas, you anti-American hack."

Dumbshit, most people commute within their states, so your point is worthless. And why do you think Americans have longer commutes, moron? Cheap energy led to suburban sprawl.

Cheap energy led to suburban sprawl.

So, now you're gonna bitch about it when we catch up with the rest of the world ? You can't have it both ways, Nullifidiot. Here's another newsflash....we're gonna burn oil/coal or anything else we can find on/in or under this Earth as long as it's the cheapest thing we can find. Alternative energy is fine, but as a complete substitute for oil, it's NOT in our immediate future.

The Euro is not solid, 4.1 inflation and 7.2 in
jobless rate, yes things are wonderful in their
economy.

MCO-
re:"Who took control of Congress in 2006?"

What did Bush ever want that he didn't get?

"Alternative energy is fine, but as a complete substitute for oil, it's NOT in our immediate future."

No shit. Did I say otherwise?

MCOBAMHILLARY in 1961:

Go to the moon?! Are you idiots fucking crazy?!

We haven't even been in orbit yet and we're going to the moon?

BWAAAAAAAAAAA

You libs suck!!"

MCOBAMHILLARY:

"And in 10 years?!! Fuck you libs are idiots!!"

Some people think the Oil Companies are making 9% or less, even though everything they suck out of the Carribean is Royalty free. Apparently, they were making 7% at $20/ barrel and 9% at $140.

The bullshit works this way: after paying out executive bonuses, profits drop from 45% to 9%, but neither of those figures take into account the depletion allowance giveaway. Every year there's less public oil for them to steal, so this entitles them to pay less tax.

The label of rushbots could just as easily be laid upon obama supporters. I can count on 1 hand the number of times a lefty has challenged him on an issue - a bit of a stretch maybe two hands.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-05 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Challenge Rush? It would be very easy if he didn't talk over any dissent to his bloviating followed by hanging up on the caller if he doesn't agree.

Yup, that Rush sure is a great debater. He plays the grownup version of the child's game where they stick fingers in their ears and yell LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

That's not how depletion allowance works. Depletion only refers to reserves that are owned outright by the oil company. When a firm drills on public lands, there is no depletion allowance.

Rush's talking over a disenter on his show is a direct result of years of watching Liberals doing just that same thing! Every Sunday news show, or Polical commentary is premised on last man/woman talking (not standing, but talking). It is becoming more and more apparent, that person IS generally a Liberal.

On Hannity and Colmes, both over-talk guests whose differing views conflict with theirs. Personally I don't like it when either one does this, it's disrespectful! On Lou Dobbs no one, with a differing view, survives! Same with Oberman on MSNBC, and to a far lesser degree Wolf. The savior is Larry King on CNN, who NEVER asks a challenging question (unless REALLY angry), others are, for me personally, Bill Hemmer, Brit Hume, and the late Tony Snow (GOD rest his sole, and bless his family).

The overshadowing problem, for Democrats, is how to get ANYTHING past Nancy Pelosi in the House of Representatives. She has told her fellow Democrats, to tell their constituents back in their districts, they too, are VERY interested in ALL aspects of energy independence, to get reelected. Then do what they've already been doing, NOTHING. She told them to blame it on her, and she would NOT allow a vote until AFTER the election, thereby putting off the repercussions for TWO more years.

Good cover for Obama, he can now be for EVERYTHING, knowing, full well, nothing will happen, because of Mrs Pelosi. Giving everyone in the Democratic party cover for the ages and elections. AN added plus is, the ability to spend two to four years finding a viable excuse for the inaction. GOOD JOB GUYS, GO FOR IT.

For those of you who disagree, wait and watch. It will happen, just this way, count on it!

"Alternative energy is fine, but as a complete substitute for oil, it's NOT in our immediate future."

No shit. Did I say otherwise?

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-08-05 09:59 PM

It is ridiculous for the Right even to say such things nulli. We will need oil and oil products for decades if not centuries. But, we can reduce dramatically our dependence immediately reducing our dependence on volatile Foreign Oil sources increasing our National security posture.

Just Americans having this conversation has caused oil futures to drop dramatically.

Think about people! You wanted to know the Democratic PLAN for getting us out of this mess that Bushco has gotten us into.

Well, you are finally finding out.

Time to chose soon.

If Obama's energy plan is so wonderful why do we have to wait until Jan 09 to see it? Why doesn't he and McCain co-sponser a bill and present it to the Senate? They are still U.S. Senators, aren't they? Or at least they're getting paid to be U.S. Senators.

You don't have to wait. YOU just have to be curious enough to FIND the plan.

McCain's been in Congress for 26 years. Not a single bill having to do with energy.

Hey Americanunity,
The point I was trying to make was that niether one of the current potential presidental candidates are worth a shit when it comes to solving our current energy crisis. Until you and most of america get your heads out of your ass and realize it is the current two party political system that is the problem with America we will be paying $4.00 plus for a gallon of gas. If you really want your vote to count come November vote against the incumbents running for the house and senate seats in your state. We have to clean out the current group of dopes that are really running this country into the ground.

The only members of Congress I'll vote against are Republicans.

They made a holy mess out of what was a pretty good situation at 11:59 am January 20th, 2001

Has anyone check the air pressure in their tires yet?

Challenge Rush? It would be very easy if he didn't talk over any dissent to his bloviating followed by hanging up on the caller if he doesn't agree.

Posted by COMMONSENSE

Challange hussein you idiot. Name me one thing you disagree with him on.

Charlton Heston was a psycho biatch on wheelz.

A complete Shit-heel.

Deth would cheerfully tap dance on his grave and then piss on it.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud

Why I bother to respond to a third grader....

First, typical hateful response from a lib. You know, that tolerance of people with differing opinions.

Second, I suppose you prefer those great canadian actors - like John Candy.

You are an irrelevant third grader from an irrelevant country. It takes a real loser to come to another country's blog and complain about it's conditions.

Go pack to the pot and bad beer you hoser. The only great things to come from your country were Gretzky and Lemieux.

Why are people so against off shore drilling? I lived and worked in New Orleans for four years, you can't see the oil rigs from your house! It is not an aesthetics issue. Guess where all of the fisherman go to fish, THE RIGS! The fish love them! It creates habitats for them. Putting rigs off-shore the entire coast would boost tourism is those coastal states. Today's technology just about elimanates any environmental impact and isn't better off-shore than in your back yard? I don't get the argument against it. Not to mention, we want to complain about unemployment rates (that economists will tell you naturally should be around 5%), but yet lifting these bans on oil drilling everywhere (off shore, ANWR, Shale deposits) would impact that unemployment rate.....Come on people, we need to drill!!

"Second, I suppose you prefer those great canadian actors - like John Candy.

Posted by ELCIDCE90

John Candy WAS a great actor! I hope you weren't being smug...

Depends where the rigs are.

In CA you can see them in Huntington Beach and Long Beach. Ugly even dressed up with pretty lights.

It takes a real loser to come to another country's blog and complain about it's conditions.

blogs know no boundaries and belong to no country...

anyone is free to speak

even if they are retarded like you

John Candy WAS a great actor! I hope you weren't being smug...

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Candy was tolerable in his medium. It was a shot at the canadian bacon - nothing personal against candy.

blogs know no boundaries and belong to no country...

Posted by donnerboy

Donderboy, while the blogworld is open to all it takes a special kind of "look at me daddy, look at me daddy" individual to need to come to a political blog concerning another country's affairs. Does potatoman go to a UK blog and espouse his diarreheatical comments? He is crying for attention - nothing more. - QED - as witnessed by his third grade prose in the third person - screams "look at me".

I don't know, all this alternative energy technologies seems very hard, perhaps too hard for us americans. Lets let the
indians, chinese, and europeans do it.

True, we put a man on the moon in less than 10 years but this problem is much harder....

Barak's (aka "TheOne's") Energy Policy = Let's inflate our way out of this oil problem!

Yep, that'll do it!

Hey everyone, I just did my part. My auto tires were at 32 lbs. of pressure. I just raised the pressure in each to 33 lbs.

Hoping to see gas prices come down soon!

Hey everyone, I just did my part. My auto tires were at 32 lbs. of pressure. I just raised the pressure in each to 33 lbs.

Hoping to see gas prices come down soon!

Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-08-06 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, the idea is to generate better mileage out of each gallon of gasoline for yourself, thereby saving YOU money. It most likely wont help with the price.

But thanks for showing your ignorance!

Yeah, and maybe putting my finger in the crack of a breaking dam will stop the water from coming through.

The Universe is comprised mainly of two things....Hydrogen and Ignorance.

Vote Obama...keep up with Hydrogen!

"Ten years from now" is coincidentally two years after he will have left office.

America NEEDS to kick it's oil habit. It especially needs to kick it's foreign oil habit.

Sadly - Paris Hilton's plan was the best one enunciated today.

Alternate energy, and technology are long term plays. Off-shore drilling is a mid-term play.