Check the chart.

McCain may lie but them numbers don't.

Oil and gas industry executives and employees donated $1.1 million to McCain last monththree-quarters of which came after his June 16 speech calling for an end to the bancompared with $116,000 in March, $283,000 in April and $208,000 in May.

C'mon Goat, that's yer cue to come in and be an apologist fer BigOil and McCain.

You know you want to.

G'head.

Try.

Be Well.

Seems to me that the entire Republican Party has changed its position on drilling, they seem to think we are too stupid to realize they controlled both the presidency and the Congress until 2006. Now they are trying to convince the dumbest of America that demand rose suddenly since then. It is nothing but a phony attempt to fool voters into thinking they actually even care about gas prices.
Their "base" likes the gas prices high, they get rich because the gas prices are high.

Experts say offshore drilling will get us perhaps a 25 cent per gallon savings - but not until 2012.

What about the 60,000,000 acres under lease? Why drill in deep water when you can do it on land a lot cheaper?

Even if we increase production OPEC will simply cut back theirs making it a moot point.

Why do Republicans pretend that oil pumped from U.S. soil (and U.S. owned land WE own) will stay here?

Serious question for anyone who wants to play.

Whether it's this drilling issue "flip flop" or any number of other changes both candidates have undergone... is it ever appropriate for a candidate to change his mind?

I suspect the answer would be yes from most people. If so, what makes it so... and how should that "change" be sold to the American people?

My view is that a candidate can change their stance (a little Craig humor)... but they have to say what they're changing to, and explain what new information is prompting the change... and why change now vs some other time.

Whether it's this drilling issue "flip flop" or any number of other changes both candidates have undergone... is it ever appropriate for a candidate to change his mind?

Positions evolve as new facts come to light.

That's the correct way to do it.

In this case? McCains position devolved so that A) McCain's fading political coffers can be filled up with BigOil money and B) McCain can once again show his willingness to walk lockstep with the rest of the rethuglican goons and their flawed think tnaked logic and failed policies if he thinks that that way lies power.

Be Well.

OOHRAH

Pragmatic people change their minds based on new information or as the case merits.

However, McCain's changed his mind on everything from offshore drilling to tax cuts for the wealthy to torture - you name it.

THAT is not a good thing.

Who IS this guy?

Even Bob Dole didn't flip flop on tobacco to get their bucks until Bob Dole knew Bob Dole was losing.

Maybe Mcsame can see the same thing...

McFlipper.

Ignore the reality behind the curtain.

clinton got a BJ and Lied.

Gays are evil and must be imprisoned.

Women cannot control their bodies, becuase they are inferior.

Obama is Moses.

Have I forgotten anything?

oh....liberal scum!

Who IS this guy?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The latest Repukelican Manchurian candidate.

Well, if you can believe the numbers it looks like his surrender of long held principles won him some big money from Big Oil.

There is not a position a candidate can take where big money is NOT behind him.

George Bush I and II, Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist, the Governator, Katherine Harris, and John McCain... whole damn lot of them opposed this brand of offshore drilling until March of this year (interestingly, about the last time McCain went to the Senate).

If they had wanted to sell "energy independence", they could have passed in with 90% approval ratings in late 2001.

Rather, it's like abortion. A political issue that is much more valuable perpetually unchanged and dragged out every four years.

Yes, yes, let's just pass a law forcing everyone to join a union, you Libs would love that, right?

Liberals ara anti-choice when it comes to workers' rights.

There is not a position a candidate can take where big money is NOT behind him.

Posted by Ray

Yeah, but Liberals believe that politicians who accept labor money are saints.

How about a national right to work law?

If unions are so good, then people would gladly voluntarily join them without being coerced.

Member2586-
Conservatives believe politicians who accept oil money are Randian champions of the human spirit.

Randian? As in Ayn Rand?

Are you aware that if we had small limited government there would be less lobbying? Why do you think there is lobbying? Maybe because the government regulates the hell out of everything so people naturally want favorable regulation.

Member2586-
Are you aware that if we had fewer laws, there would be less crime?

"Randian? As in Ayn Rand?"

Randian? As in weird ultra-right cult group?

Why is it that some of the same people who are proponents of "small limited government" also argue for the interests of powerful multinational corporations with the wealth of medium-sized nations, and the nationality of the wind?

(and why do they have to bankrupt the nation through gov't spending to do it?)

"Are you aware that if we had fewer laws, there would be less crime? "

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breakinfg laws." -- Ayn Rand

Ayn Rand was full of shit.

"Ayn Rand was full of shit."

Posted by nullifidian

The she died.

Member-
Please. Read another book, by someone else. Repeat.

I say that as a friend.

"Ayn Rand was full of shit."

Posted by nullifidian

Who the heck is defending big business here?

How abut that tobacco regulation bill, people say it will in effect create a tobacco monopoly.

Ayn Rand was full of shit.

Posted by nullifidian

And so is every other human on the planet that has lived, is living and will live.

" 'Ayn Rand was full of shit.

Posted by nullifidian'

And so is every other human on the planet that has lived, is living and will live."

Posted by member2586

Only the well-fed living who aren't going for a colonoscopy in the morning.

Party on.

"www.colonzone.org"

Posted by member2586

Can you imagine?
All that IV fentanyl for the colonoscopy and the doc said I didn't need another poke for ten years.

Damn!

What a tease!

On another thread the great unwashed suggest that era of unions has passed. Here I read that membership ought to be optional. If you ever make it optional and enough whimps, cowards and commie faggot traitors opt to listen to the juke box on the other guy's nickel, the union movement will surely be pointless, and we can all go back to 18-cent-an-hour shit jobs that will buy a cup of rice for our 18 kids. Is that a long sentence or what? herm

Hey Herm, Zat, AU, Member, Deth, Dump, Apoca, etc...

Please comment now that your candidate has "SEEN THE LIGHT" and has said he will back "limited" off-shore drilling!!!

Come on choir boys, be MEN, and comment for us! Tell us it was the right thing for Nobama to have done!

ROFLMAO at all of you!!!!!!!!!

No8ama wants to tap into the source of those funds...!

He can't resist the temptation.

"C'mon Deth, that's yer cue to come in and be an apologist fer BigOil and No8ama.

You know you want to.

G'head.

Try.

Be Well."

There, fixed it fer ya, Spud.

Danved

Ah, McCain has drawn the ire of Spudfuck. That alone makes me want to contribute money to him and get my friends to vote for him.

"That alone makes me want to contribute money to him and get my friends to vote for him."

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked, that someone with the name DirtbagObama would vote for McCain.

Please comment now that your candidate has "SEEN THE LIGHT" and has said he will back "limited" off-shore drilling!!!

there you thugs go agin!

Obama supports reasonable off shore drilling and drilling on leases that already exist. In addition to alternate energy and conservation. He always has.

WE always have. I mean you have to DRILL to get the crap out of the ground right? YOU people are idoits trying to make this about offshore drilling. You are drooling over the prospect of getting ANWAR and California and you won't get either.

Did you also notice that Obama is for a Windfall Profits Tax? Explain to me how THAT is going to get BIG OIL to start sending him buckets of money?

idiot

The only thing I love more than BIG OIL is WAL MART!

Before you tell McCain to stop flippin', go back and look at Obama's latest hit. Boy howdy, this is it, McCain is flip-flopin' and Obama's doin the TEXAS TWO STEP.

Stick it to one and NOT the other, come on, whatever it takes to win. McCain said that about the boy (sorry, I'm really that old, no slurs intended) quite a while back. I'LL GO ANYWHERE, DO ANYTHING, AND SAY WHATEVER IS REQUIRED, JUST TO BE ELECTED! I mean, after all, it IS the most POWERFUL position in the world, bar none, isn't it?

Sure, he'll make a good president, whatever you say, yeah, he'll do that to, and that's a good idea, I'm sure he'll do that also, good idea he'll act on that, he's right on top of that, you can bet he's for that, you're sure he'll do that too, yeah, no problem on that! He's got you (ALL) covered, if more than two of you have an idea, he has a solution! Whatever is needed! I'll do it!

And where dies the ears get his money from?

According to the campaign, Clark and Rogers are among Obama's largest fundraisers, each having raised more than $200,000 from friends and associates.

Employees at Exelon, the parent company of Commonwealth Edison, have given more than $180,000.

A review of the campaign finance reports filed over the weekend with the Federal Election Commission showed that attorneys accounted for at least $2.4 million of the $20.3 million the three Obama joint committees raised.

People who listed their occupations as investors or said they worked for investment houses contributed at least an additional $2.85 million. Individuals who said they were chief executive officers, company presidents or board chairmen chipped in $1.8 million. The entertainment industry accounted for $1.5 million.

"idiot

Posted by donnerboy

Not hardly, boy!

BWAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAA
AAAA!!!!!

Please comment now that your candidate has "SEEN THE LIGHT" and has said he will back "limited" off-shore drilling!!!

Just saw McLame onna squawkbox.

He was rambling on (like the old fart he is) about how America HAS TO allow more off shore drilling (like this would somehow make an appreciable difference to anything but the OilCos bottom line) and start building more nuclear plants.

Wotta sell-out.

Obama, on the other hand, is attempting to reach a compromise solution that allows limited drilling leases off the coast of Texas and California and Florida and which in return guarantees no drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife refuges and gets rid of an odious tax break to BigOil that the Dems have long complained about.

The choice is obvious to those who have eyes and would see.

08ama'08.

Be Well.

/Ayn Rand sucks wet farts from the assholes of dead industrialists purely fer the taste.

//Yeah, that were Spud alright, entering that seething pit of non corporately sponsored debate that we like to call the Drudge Retort, doing so
stage left.

Wotta sell-out.
Posted by dethspud

Yeah spud. Kinda like bammy changing his stance on____(insert this weeks flip flop) when the polls favor a contrasting position.

I was not for drilling off the coast before I was for it. - soon to be BO quote from the campaign trail.

The choice is obvious to those who have eyes and would see. - Mr. Potato Head

Good thing you don't get one.

...non corporately sponsored"

What the hell are you talking about? There is a multitude of advertising on this site. With very little debate I might add. Lots of screaming and yelling but very little debating.

Yeah spud. Kinda like bammy changing his stance on____(insert this weeks flip flop) when the polls favor a contrasting position.

Obama hasn't flip flopped.

He still insists that this off shore drilling will have little to no effect on the underlying causes of the current energy crunch. He's quite correct to note this. He's just a good enuff politician to see an opportunity to reach a compromise position that does have real value in that it keeps ANWR safe and removes and odious tax break.

Yer boy, McAncient, on the other hand, has switched his position dramtically and at the same time ended up with a shitload more donations bundled from BigOil.

Hence the article.

If you can't see the difference here then yer obviously not trying.

Here's a hint.

Try opening yer fucking eyes fer a change.

Seems to help.

G08ama!

Be Well.

/Talking flip flops when McBush is yer candidate may not be a winning strategery, ya know.

//From Roe v. Wade to the "agents of intolerance" to tax cut fer the wealthy to Grover Norquist and the Wylie boys of Texas to Campaign finance reform to off shore drilling etc etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum, McCain has consistently shown, time after time, that he is the most corruptable, inauthentic co-opted non-Maverick pol to ever try to gain the presidency.

Spud: ...non corporately sponsored

Arnold from Different Strokes: What the hell are you talking about, Willis?

Is simple.

Like you.

The MSM is a corporate entity who's entire existence is based on under-reporting the real news while maximising the fluff, propaganda and ads disguised as news.

Blogworld is an alternative to that.

Sure there may be a few ads floating about here but Spud don't think they in any way shape or form compromise the integrity of this place.

Rcade has never been told by Google-ads to tone down the tenor of the place or to avoid certain subjects or to emphasize others and even if they did their requests wouldn't have any real effect or so Spud imagines.

Thanx fer askin'.

Be Well.