I am sure that some corporate shill will be along to explain how human beings have no effect on the enviroment whatsoever and this was caused by sunspots.

This story is as boring as 101's lectures (which are only slightly less boring than McSames speeches although both are known to cause cancer in lab rats).

Every year we get yet another rendition of this friggin story. Then a hurricane comes along and kills everybody in the south and the ecologists says, Ah, all better now.

OIL COMPANY PROFITS....RECORD HIGH

Good bye from America!

The Worlds Biggest Polluter!

This alleged "Dead Zone" is just a theory. Nobody can prove that this "oxygen" or "nitrogen" even exist; have you ever seen them? I didn't think so.
There's no mention of this "Dead Zone" in my bible. Nor does it mention this "Gulf of Mexico".
Environmentalist whackjobs are always trying to ruin my day and make me feel guilty.
The Hummer H2 is a brilliantly designed machine.

FACT

This must be another lie made up by Al Gore. Because everything actually is hunky dory.

Well, that's nothing compared to the dead zone that's going to occur in Denver next month.

Nobody can prove that this "oxygen" or "nitrogen" even exist; have you ever seen them?

Well I did weigh oxygen once. But that was a long time ago, it may not exist any longer.

It disappears every October or so as cooler water comes in.

The more they learn about the Gulf, the more they realize they don't know. Even the pesticide theory is just a theory; were it true, and holding the same variables constant, Dead Zones should be appearing in other parts of the world, also, but are not.

Right on schedule.

Good show.

'too' worried, obviously.

Be Well.

Hey Goatman please stop taking dumps over the side of the platform you're killing the environment.

Now what?

I've got enough to worry about on the Earth's surface without now having to concern myself with hypoxia and nitrogen problems under GOM -- something that's been occurring now for decades, btw. Nothing I nor anyone else can do about it.

"That that is, is."

Global warming strikes again...

Be Well.

Hope it wasn't me. I did have the Chairbornes recently.

I think the "global warming" and "dead zone" theories would be more acceptable if we began referring to them by a name that I think more accurately describes the problem...."over population." There are just damn too many people and the poorer ones are the ones who have the most kids. Fix that and the other problems will pretty much fix themselves.

We had one of them after hurricane Floyd, all the toxic water (filled with gasoline, pesticides, stewage, paint, fertilizer and whatever else people keep around their houses and garages) running off from the flood into the creeks, streams and then into the rivers and then into the sea, killed everything, (or ran it off into places with oxygen). Didn't last long though, I think about a year and we were all hunky dory again and there were more shrimp than you could shake a big stick at. Mother Nature rights herself eventually, with or without our help.

Well, that's nothing compared to the dead zone that's going to occur in Denver next month.

Posted by ELCIDCE90

Much like the one between Mcsame's ears?
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constant, Dead Zones should be appearing in other parts of the world, also, but are not.
Rightis wrong.
The number of oxygen-deprived "dead zones" in the world's oceans has been increasing since the 1970s and is now nearly 150, threatening fisheries as well as humans who depend on fish, the U.N. Environment Program announced Monday in unveiling its first-ever Global Environment Outlook Year Book.

These "dead zones" are caused by an excess of nitrogen from farm fertilizers, sewage and emissions from vehicles and factories. In what experts call a nitrogen cascade,-- the chemical flows untreated into oceans and triggers the proliferation of plankton, which in turn depletes oxygen in the water.

Hey Goatman please stop taking dumps over the side of the platform you're killing the environment.

Posted by furio

FF

There are just damn too many people and the poorer ones are the ones who have the most kids. Fix that and the other problems will pretty much fix themselves.

Danni does indeed have her moments of lucidity.

Who's to blame for this? John Q Public who overuses fertilizer. Farmers know precisely what they need and generally do not overfertilize. It costs too much for one thing. However, JQP slops the stuff on in his quest for the perfect lawn.

from the article:

... said a major factor is intensified corn production, which relies heavily on fertilizer.

Sounds from the report it's the major corn growers who are slopping on too much fertizler, not the homeowner throwing a little fertilizer on his patch of front yard grass.

Don't the corn growers have a responsibility for the irrigation water and runoff coming from their acres of corn. Or is this just yet another federal rule and regulation which been allowed to be ignored because the right politicians have been paid off?

And haven't those areas grown corn using fertilizer for decades and decades? Looks like it's the major farming interests causing the problem with heavy use of fertilizers -- not John Q. Public who nowadays seems to get the blame for everything.

It's gonna be hard to find, but I'm going to look anyway.

I read an article a couple of years ago saying that fertilizer sales to homeowners was triple what farmers bought even though the total area fertilzed was less. Hope I can find that story.

"Farmers know precisely what they need and generally do not overfertilize. It costs too much for one thing."

That must be why the government is buying 187,000 acres of swampland from US Sugar for $10,000 per acre due to the excess nitrogen run off from the sugar plantations which is killing the Everglades.

IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE PLANET....STOP HAVING KIDS

MAKES ME WONDER HOW MANY ENVIORMENTALIST HAVE KIDS

THE DEMS KINDA HAVE IT RIGHT WHEN IT COME TO ABORTION

SAVE THE PLANET....KILL A KID

IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE PLANET....STOP HAVING KIDS

Posted by judas at 2008-07-31 09:28 PM

wow! too bad your mom didn't take that advice

I guess we need to ban all fertlizers and let the nation starve to death.

We do need to quit planting so many lawns that we dump fertlizer and water on like there is no end. How many piles of lawn clipping do you see while driving down some back roads?

Fertlize, water, mow, spray weeds, its an endless cycle just so you can say, my yard looks better than yours.

How does this compare with the Black Sea and its layer that can not support any life?

Or Lake Bajkal in Russia which has the same problem.

Both of these problems existed well before global warming, existing 'naturally' out there. In the case of the Black Sea, fish and life can exist above the layer. But don't go below it because of the toxicity underneath.

I wonder how many other anomolies will be found just like that in the world where man had no impact?

Ironic that this thread is on the same page as a thread about GOPhers fervently hoping to expand off shore drilling here in the U.S. And some of you wonder why Californians are so reluctant to allow an expansion of drilling?

silly stupid americans.

sounds like a goldmine of an opportunity. fertilizer rich water. aquaculture anyone?

many differnt kinds of seagrasses/sea weeds are edible and are nutrient rich. i eat seaweed everyday and loveit. just another leafy deep green veggie to me.

aquaculture there. harvest the goods. make money. repeat.

no doubt there is something that'll grow there that can be used for profit.

Ironic that this thread is on the same page as a thread about GOPhers fervently hoping to expand off shore drilling here in the U.S. And some of you wonder why Californians are so reluctant to allow an expansion of drilling?

Read the article, m8. The dead zone is being caused by excessive use of fertilizer, not oil drilling.

I know. But the point is, human activity causing damage to the environment. One day it is oil pumping, the next day it is fertilizer, and tomorrow who knows what. Unless the citizenry of a region care about their environment, it will steadily decline. The health of the Gulf is a perfect example. You guys in Texas and along the Gulf Coast treat it like a giant toilet bowl. And yell "NIMBY" when others parts of the country choose to be more responsible.

You guys in Texas and along the Gulf Coast treat it like a giant toilet bowl

god, it would be nice if you knew what you were talking about for once as I grow weary of correcting you.

My rig has to process the very rainwater it catches. Not even that can go overboard. We are not even allowed to piss over the side any more. That has to be treated.

Educate yourself before you come back here with your outrageous remarks.

BTW, I've flown into LA many times. DOn't make analogies about toilet bowls. You have to breathe y'all's toilet bowl.

Read the article you dunce. The Gulf has an 8000 SQUARE MILE DEAD ZONE DUE TO HUMAN ACTIVITY! Fuck your stupid. Just go away. You are denser than normal this evening.

Read the article you dunce. The Gulf has an 8000 SQUARE MILE DEAD ZONE DUE TO HUMAN ACTIVITY!

Oooh. Desperation sets in when cap locks are invoked.

I did read the article. In fact, I even said so in my 2:11 and pointed out to you that it was fertilizer, not oil drilling causing the dead zone.

Did you not read that retort or is your memory fading?

For the record, I'm not for dumping fertilizers willy nilly into the rivers.

I am doing my part. I do not fertilize my lawn. I hate yard work, why would I want it to grow faster.

I wonder if this isn't exaserbated (sp?) by the elimination of wet lands along the rivers. Not only does this contribute to flooding, it speeds the water along into the gulf. If the wet lands were still there, it would give the water more time to cleanse itself through the marshes, etc.

While I am far from being an environmental freak who wished man would die off to save the snail darters I do believe that we have created a problem here in much the same way as we've created a problem in the Chesapeake Bay. Run-off from ag products has caused massive issues in the past and we know that for fact. Just watch a run-off stream in a neighborhood after a hard rain and look at the nasty brown foam that forms in eddies. I don't see that in pristine mountain streams or clean watersheds. I have a sizable creek running through my property and as the area around me grows I see fewer and fewer crayfish, minnows and other aquatic life. My theory? Chemlawn, Tru-Green and others who spray fertilizer on lawns even when it's raining and it's being washed off as they spray.
We do need to be good stewards. However, balance needs to be obtained- we can't "save the Earth: while killing ourselves. That's pretty self-defeating.

UFM82

Ever been to an oil rig? Best fishing around IMHO.

Don't worry {da-da-da-da-da-da-da rest rest)... Be happy {da-da-da-da-da-da-da rest rest)...

It's your kids and your kids's kids are are going to be in a world of shit. Literally.

Google "ocean dead zones worldwide"

It's not just the Gulf of Mexico.

"Google 'ocean dead zones worldwid'

It's not just the Gulf of Mexico."

Denial

It's not just a river in Egypt.

2 a (1): refusal to admit the truth or reality (as of a statement or charge) (2): assertion that an allegation is false b: refusal to acknowledge a person or a thing : disavowal

5: negation in logic

6: a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality

in denial: refusing to admit the truth or reality of something unpleasant

"BTW, I've flown into LA many times. DOn't make analogies about toilet bowls. You have to breathe y'all's toilet bowl."

Posted by goatman

Oh, oh, Goatmon. You're gonna get a whippin'! I made a comment a couple of days ago about the quake in the LA area and that maybe the toilet is about to be flushed and boy did I get a tirade from the local bowl denizens.

I think the "global warming" and "dead zone" theories would be more acceptable if we began referring to them by a name that I think more accurately describes the problem...."over population." There are just damn too many people and the poorer ones are the ones who have the most kids. Fix that and the other problems will pretty much fix themselves.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-31 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and I meant to add....we can start by killing those kids of the poor people (make them suffer in a lot of pain for what they and their parents have done)....cause that would work for me.

For Real,

DANNI

Denial

It's not just a river in Egypt.

You're completely whacked.

I read an article a couple of years ago saying that fertilizer sales to homeowners was triple what farmers bought even though the total area fertilzed was less. Hope I can find that story.

Posted by goatman

Probably pretty close to accurate Goat. Farmers also know when to apply-homeowners go with "some's good, more's better and too much is just enough" whenever the lawn looks a little peaked as well as not wanting to store any remaining. But even with farmers doing it more precisely, many tend to apply right into the ditches and best case-even if .1% gets into the waterways through run-off or drift, that's a hell of a lot of fertilzer (and herbicides) given the total amount agriculture uses.

"You're completely whacked."

Posted by YAV

Why say you that I be whacked?

Thanks alot, vegetarians. Thanks for requiring that we grow so much crops that we end up polluting the Mississippi and Gulf. Oh, and a big screw you to the corn ethanol folks too -- thanks for saving the air while ruining the water. Nice job.

"Thanks alot, vegetarians. Thanks for requiring that we grow so much crops that we end up polluting the Mississippi and Gulf"

Are you being sarcastic or are you just plain stupid? You do know that it takes grain to produce meat, right?

That is why Organic is the ONLY way to grow.

This was predicted by LSU, the flooding this year caused this increase, give us a good hurricaine, and it will clean up alot of it.

Its unfortunate, according to LSU, ethanol production increase has caused much of the increase of the dead zone.

I have noticed an increase in catish farms turning into corn farms, disrupting the local economy. There are government offers on certain farms for conversion to swamp lands to act as a natural filter before it gets to the Gulf.

Why say you that I be whacked?

Seemed like the right thing to say at the time. Now that I'm awake, I have no idea why I said that.

Consumers can do a bit to help by cutting down their fertilizer use and boycotting products with high phosphorous contents. Like Electrasol, which has a 4.9-8.7% phosphorous concentration. That's a whole lot.

Null,

It only takes grain to grow meat in countries that subsidize their grain producers a la the US.

Grass is the only way to grow cattle properly. Better for the cow, better for the environment, better for the human end user.

Pastured pork and poultry are better too.

But we continue to treat animals as machines, and the earth as some giant, mad science experiment.

The ways to feed the world organically have been known forever. Smaller farms, polyculture. Eat locally grown, in season foods.

But when half the "food" products are stuffed with soy and high fructose corn syrup and the consumer doesn't care as long as it's tasty and available right now, well, this is what you'll get. And people wonder why the water is polluted, the topsoil is gone, and cancer rates are skyrocketing.

We're collectively insane.

Are you being sarcastic or are you just plain stupid?

I was being sarcastic.

Ironic that this thread is on the same page as a thread about GOPhers fervently hoping to expand off shore drilling here in the U.S. And some of you wonder why Californians are so reluctant to allow an expansion of drilling?

Posted by moder8

WTF does that have to do with off-shore drilling? I suppose you think they use amonia for drill mud. Wake up and have a coherent thought.

I guess the spill off the Calif coast and the one in Alaska have left the place dead forever.