Something fun besides politics --

So are you all of big tippers? (grin)

Also feel free to tell any restaurant horror stories you might have about a particular restaurant, the food you were served, or that night's waiter from hell.

25-to as much as 50% if they were fun and great.

Never less than 15%. People have bad days or stuff going on in their lives. Once in awhile if the service was especially bad I'll ask a probing question or two.

If they were just an asshole (which is really rare) I'll leave a buck.

I don't know what tipping has to do with skill in bed.

I will say I have big feet and lots of tricks up my sleeve so to speak.

Tip at least 15%-20%--

And if the bill was for something less expensive--you have to leave a buck.

When we travel and stay in a hotel--we leave $3 for the maid on the nights we are staying.

So the girlfriend can't expect much from me on nights we get bad service at Outback?

We generally leave way over the 15% mark, we generally just add $5.00, $10.00 whatever over the check amount, (it is easier than working out the 15%) I have been a waitress, I know how hard of a job it is, I am more than grateful for a polite, attentive, and gracious waitress, she will be rewarded. A sullen, miserable person who makes me feel that I am interrupting her day and that everything is an inconvenience to her will get NOTHING. I go to Olive Garden occasionally for lunch, a simple soup, salad and breadsticks thing, but the waitresses are outstanding, I mean really, they are brilliant, I quite often put a $5.00 tip on top of a $5.95 lunch ticket.

So the girlfriend can't expect much from me on nights we get bad service at Outback?

Outback?!?

Saltgrass man, Saltgrass...

I tip pretty much like you, lilbrit. I usually round 20% up to the nearest 5 if the service is good. Bad service, though I leave a quarter just to let them know how bad it was and I simply didn't forget to tip.

My dad tips well. He was in town and we went out once. I did not see the tab or the tip, but after we left, the waitress came running down the street after us, hugged my dad, and thanked him for the tip. I asked him how much he left and he said, "It appears I left enough". My dad is very subtle and has a dry sense of humor.

sSaltgrass man, Saltgrass

Saltgrass is very good indeed, but they don't do lamb. Outback makes a mean rack of lamb. Cooked rare with a reduced wine and rosemary sauce.

"Listen up, guys sometimes girls will ask the waiter how much you tipped. They use it as a litmus test. They think that if you're not generous with the waiter, you won't be generous with them whether that generosity is financial or emotional. Besides, bad tippers suck in bed."

Oh boy! This confirms what Mar Rudov says!

This is a great way to screen out women who want your money. what a great dating tip, pun intended, this is!

I fired off a quick e-mail to Marc Rudov and incredibly enough, I already got a response.

What he says is that since she is not paying for the dinner, or the tip, she must be frigid. What a great comeback

Well, here's one from the other side.

I put myself through school tending bar and waiting tables, and was really excited about moving from a dive bar to more prestigious, expensive spots.

To my surprise, working conditions and tips as a %age of sales were much better in the dive bar. In the bar, my happy hour customers were mostly construction workers, and they did get out of hand sometimes. They always tipped well, though, and the times I told them they were crossing a line, they apologized profusely and left a huge tip.

Eventually I would do anything I could to avoid businessmen in the pricey spots. A lot of them thought that pawing the waitstaff was part of what they were paying for, and that a lowly waiter/bartender had no right to tell them otherwise. Others assumed we'd be flattered by attention from people as important as they thought they were. One memorable exchange: after a long conversation in which a guy wearing a wedding band had told me all about how horrible his wife was, he invited me to go to New York with him on his next trip. "Oh, gosh," I said, "I'm washing my hair that weekend." "What about Atlanta the weekend after?" He eventually started slamming things around and turned to his friend and fumed "I can't even pick up the damn bartender."

I ALWAYS pay attention to how people I'm with treat waitstaff, including how they tip if they're paying the bill. I figure it says a lot about the kind of human beings they are.

Well, seeing as how you don't tip at Wendy's.... and otherwise I cook myself... I don't tip at all. I am the single worst person in bed ever.

Question: So what?

I'm with Phoenix. Been there, done that.

I owe my 20's to good tippers.

The flipside of this is that sometimes big tippers are just showing off. Good if you are the waitress, not so good if you are the date.

'Bad Tippers Suck in Bed'

That's why I always give her the whole thing......

Mr. Pink: I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.

We go on several cruises a year, where we get the best food and service I've ever seen. The standard tipping of $10.00 a day is automatically charged to our credit card at the end so we don't have to fuss about it. The waiters entertain us while we sup on lobster, filet mignon and creme brulie. The rest of the year we eat gourmet food that my wife cooks.

Mr. Pink doesn't tip... he's also the guy who shoots nice guy eddie in the back at the end of the movie, tries to run off with the loot, and gets shot by the cops. the last unselfish thing he gets a chance to do in his life is tip... and he bitches about it.

Waiter: 'Bad Tippers Suck in Bed'

Nice tippers swallow.

Mr. Pink was hiding under the steps when the final confrontation went down.

Joe shot Mr orange, Mr Orange shot Nice Guy Eddie, Nice Guy Eddie shot Mr White, Mr White Shot Joe IIRC.

Mr. Orange shot somebody? I thought he was lying there dying and that Mr. Pink shot NGE from under the steps.

I think so, didnt mr white come over and shoot him afterwards? as Mr. Pink was outside?

I think so, didnt mr white come over and shoot him afterwards? as Mr. Pink was outside?

Posted by truthhurts

I don't know. I'll hafta check on that.

Last month I ate both lunch and dinner in Beverly Hills with just my partner. While the service was great and a nice tip was in order, when both checks/bills arrived the tip was already added. I am not from California...can anyone tell me if this is the new stardard practice there?

I found it awkward not leaving a tip of my choice on the table although I did on my bill. I believe it was 15% but if I had a choice I would have left more. I just didn't like being told what to tip. Plus these were high-end places (Wilshire Beverely Hills and 301 on Redeo Drive). You would think they would miss out on much larger tips if they left it up to the consumer to decide the tip.

You would think they would miss out on much larger tips if they left it up to the consumer to decide the tip.

Posted by JustinPhx

Normally including the gratuity on the check is a practice reserved for larger parties. But you'd be surprised how many people stiff the waitstaff in really nice places. I'm sure it has alot to do with that.

I hustled tables one summer while in school...men are by far the best tippers and the nicest to wait on.
Woman would all order on the same check ...then sit there for a half hour figuring out who spent what....then nickel and diming tip!

Who killed Nice Guy Eddie?

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-07-29 01:47 PM | Reply |

White technically gets off two rounds on Nice Guy Eddie, but...
By the way, White knows torture works.

Have you ever watched Layer Cake or Lock Stock Two Smoking Barrels? Both decent flicks.

By the way, White knows torture works.
Posted by 101Chairborne

I was in San Francisco a few years back and had dinner on the Embarcadaro. As I was eating dinner I noticed a table of 4 young women. All having a good time, etc. After they finished they left a cash tip on the table and departed. As I sat there two of the women separately each came back to the table and took a portion of the tip and put it in their purse.

I have not seen anything like that before or since. It appeared that they wanted their friends to think they were big tippers, but then came back and took it.

I think it's ridiculous that tips should even be expected based on the fact that restaurant owners should be paying a livable wage in the first place.

That said it doesn't make one iota of sense that if 10% was an acceptable tip years ago and the cost of the same frigging food has raised in price since to account for inflation and whatnot that 15 or 20% is the expected rate nowadays. Sounds like a pay raise they've given themselves to me. Wish I could do that.

And another thing if everybody else has to pay taxes on what they earn why do a lot of tipped professions think they should be exempt?

Finally if I'm on a date that isn't working out so well and I start treating her and others around me shitty my experience has been that my date tries harder to placate me so the sex is BETTER!

HC,
I meant White.
He was the one explaining that if you want the combination to the safe you just had to cut the pinkie off a customer, giver the manager a look like he was next and after that he'd tell you if he wore ladies underwear...

I think Lock Stock TSB's is a way better movie in the Black Comedy/Violence arena.
I liked Layer Cake a ton, but put the CC on so you'll know what the fuck they're saying.

"He was the one explaining that ...."
Oh yeah. forgot about that.

Quentin Tarantino, the director, said it was kind of an inside joke. Mr. White shot both Joe and NGE, even though it is impossible for him to have shot both. Watch the scene again. No way Mr. White could have shot both of them.

Watch the scene again. No way Mr. White could have shot both of them.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-07-29 02:40 PM | Reply |

He gets the gun over in the vicinity of Nice Guy Eddie. If you freeze it at 23.83 seconds, you'll see a smokestack and a car antenna. It's at that exact moment that Nice Guy Eddie is struck by the magic bullet.

If you're going to eat there again, tip big, and treat the waiter / waitress well, they'll be handling your food.

My daughter in law works at the Grand Marriott here in Zion.

She has the chance to wait on some fairly famous people. She says Anthony Hopkins was one of the nicest and generous guests.

She also says that some of the richest people (especially the Jazz basketball players) are the worst tippers ever.

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I usually tip 15-20% or more depending on the service. Sometimes I'll leave a huge tip but it has to be for a good reason.

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I was in Wendover with my wife (God rest her soul) at a diner. There were numerous people walking around with Sombraros and I wanted one.

I asked the waiter where I could get one. He frowned and said that the other diner was giving them out to their customers.

I told him I'd give him $20.00 for one of those hats. He went to the other side of the casino and came back with one.

Not only did I get the hat, he is $20.00 but I also gave hime a big tip for makeing the evening so much fun.

And of course when you order eggs and the waitress asks you how you want them

and you reply

COOKED.

That one gets me every time.

If you freeze it at 23.83 seconds, you'll see a smokestack and a car antenna.
Posted by 101Chairborne

LOL... so much life left in the car antenna joke.

If you're going to eat there again, tip big, and treat the waiter / waitress well, they'll be handling your food.

Posted by Roy_Batty

I have seen horrible things happen to people's food when they treated waitstaff/busboys/bartenders poorly.

Really horrible.

Tipping Is Not A City In China!

This is a sign they have at the takeout counter of a local Chinese restaurant. I usually leave 20-25% when I'm being waited on, but if I'm at the takeout window, NO FUCKING WAY! I'm not tipping someone for coffee when I'm going up to the counter and getting it myself either. Some of these tip jars are getting out of hand. Hell, my dry cleaners just started putting one out. That's crazy.

He gets the gun over in the vicinity of Nice Guy Eddie. If you freeze it at 23.83 seconds, you'll see a smokestack and a car antenna. It's at that exact moment that Nice Guy Eddie is struck by the magic bullet.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-29 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're such a tool! It's clearly the pyramid shooting a beam in the lower left corner that killed NGE! "Magic Bullet Theory"; you kook!

I agree. Tip jars at counters are tacky.

Then of course there are people I tip on Holidays that never even say thank you. I tip our dog groomer $50.00 every Christmas and she has yet to say thank you.

I find that odd.

I figure it says a lot about the kind of human beings they are.

If you base whether someone tips on the type of human they are, that says alot about you. God forbid you base it on how good the service was. I give a tip only when service was above and beyond their normal job. I dont give a tip if you just walked up and handed me my food. You are supposed to do that. You are NOT entitled to a tip, that is just this socialist society liberals are trying to create. You are getting a paycheck to do your job. Do it well, then we start at 10% tip. But to give a tip just because you are breathing? Give me a break...

And as I have said before, if your job is shitty, get another one...Dont blame me..

I wonder how many times BOAZ' food has been spit on.

I wonder how many times BOAZ' food has been spit on.

I doubt that many. We usually dont patronize bad restaurants. And I hardly ever send my food back to get spit on. As I said before, dont blame me if your (not you personally, betelg) job sucks, youchose it. If you dont want to be a waiter or waitress, get another job.

"I doubt that many"

You just keep on walkin' on the sunny side of life my friend.

You are an ASSHOLE Boaz.

and one Cheap Mother Fucker!

and one Cheap Mother Fucker!

Not cheap, I just dont give away my money for free. Why do you call me an asshole just because I require good service for giving someone extra money for doing a job they are already getting paid for? Am I supposed to be pitying someone just because they have a job that they feel they dont get paid enough, so someone has to pay them extra? Please explain this to me.

On a military base, in the commissary, the baggers only way to get paid is through tips, so I usually give $3-$5 when they take my bags to the car. That I can understand. But to give someone money, for a job that they are already getting paid for, especially if they only give you lukewarm service, is offensive to me.

I always figure out what the minimum wage is of the area and the tip decreases from there if the service takes more than an hour.

boaz just can't go to the same place twice.

...to give someone money, for a job that they are already getting paid for --- Boaz

Here's where you're confused, Boaz. In a lot of states (most, I believe), restaurants are not required to pay waitstaff even minimum wage. It is ASSUMED that customers tip.

Most of my paychecks were 0 -- nothing left after they took taxes out.

...men are by far the best tippers and the nicest to wait on. -- Kerrin

I waited tables and tended bar on and off for almost 20 years, and didn't find this to be true. The businessmen who frequented one of the pricey French restaurants where I waited tables were the worst to wait on, but usually tipped well; most men were great. Doctors and professors were fine to wait on, but were on average the worst tippers. I usually got great tips from women.

The best tips I ever got were from some of the black jazz musicians I waited on when I was tending bar in a jazz club.

"Tipper sucks? And that's bad??"

- Al

I only tip if the service was well above average. What's all this give-away of money for nothing?

I would take what WaiterRant writes with a grain of salt. His original stuff was pretty honest and direct. A bitter man in a job he felt was beneath him but had little other options. Like many of the "lifers" I waited tables with when I was in college. Later he turned into mister wisdom who was above the fray and many of his postings were more fiction than fact. Creative license if you will.

I assume his book his similar.

standingonthebox is far better.

Waiting on tables and working as a cocktail waitress paid for my tuition and books in college and thru some inbetween times. I always tip well. I also expect decent service and usually get it.

I waited tables and bartended at a fairly nice place in St. Louis for a while, the local heroes and athletes that would come through were notoriously bad tippers..

With the exception of Tony Larussa. He would have brunch there about 3 times a week. Always tipped very well, was always very nice to people and kids that would ask for autographs. All in all he was a real class act.

As to the people who "don't tip because they aren't going to give their money away". You're an asshole.

Here's the point of view from someone this jackass (the writer) probably neglected throughout his whole career: the busser. I was a busser at a fine restaurant for a couple of months and received nothing but abuse from most of the waiters and management. The scumbags always complained about not being tipped enough, or how annoying customers were, or what have you, and would find ways to make me do most of their work. There wasn't a single night some moron wouldn't send me out to get his table water or do other inane things while they would then go and sit around or smoke because they were just "so stressed out." On top of that, a lot of them would either blatantly undertip me or try to get out of tipping me altogether. Waiters have this mentality that they deserve to be raking in the cash just because they're carrying a plate from the kitchen to your table, and on top of that complain when they make under a couple of hundred a night. Granted, these kind of waiters tend to stick to fine dining establishments but I've learned to spot them when I see them and you know what: I undertip them.

My point is: I don't tip assholes. If you see a waiter doing less work than the busser, slip the kid a 20 instead of the waiter.

If you see a waiter doing less work than the busser, slip the kid a 20 instead of the waiter.

I've done that plenty of times myself. Often the busboys do 3/4th of the work and serve half the meal. But sometimes you have to have the busboys do a lot to help you as it depends on what station you're given for the night and how many tables you carry. Working 6-8 tables can be a logistical nightmare to handle. Usually didn't have to handle more than 5 tables at the max at dinner hour. Cocktail waitressing was another ballgame altogether as you took care of everyone who wanted a drink. You had your regulars and knew pretty much what they'd tip and could bank on a usual amount each night. Fun times. Hard work but fun times.

The whole waiter and tipping custom is stupid. I'd just as soon go up to the kitchen window and get my own food.

My favorite place to eat in Chicago is actually inside a Korean grocery store. You go up to a counter to order and if you can't speak Korean you just point at some beautiful pictires of food. You pay right then. After you wait at a table you picked out they call you up to the counter where your hot and spicey food is on a tray which you take back to your table yourself. While you are eating, you can watch people shopping. When you are done eating, you bus your tray up to the counter. No stupid waiter or tip.

it all has to do with giving.

is he a giver?

if he's a giver, he'll score big in the "anything" else department.

fwthom - i heard a very large restaurant chain in your area filed bankruptcy today - what was their food like? "brannigan's" or something like that.

Your waiter is taxed based on you tipping 10%. If you tax less than that the gov does not care.

That being said for bad service I will tip less than 10%. For great service 20-25.

As far as they are getting paid for the job there were days as a waiter where I averaged less than min wage. Granted it was rare but it did happen. Once I got a table of 6 women who spent their sunday brunch drinking mimosas I must have run to their table 20 times in the 1.5 hours they were there. They left 1 dollar each, the total tab was pushing 200 bucks so about a 3% tip each! It was shortly after that that I quit being a waiter. Pizza delivery guy worked out much better especialy around Christmas plus they pay minimum wage and pay for each delivery so you tend to come out ok even with no tip. However once again the gov assumes you get 10% and will tax you on that ammount regardless of what reality was. It's bullshit but not really when you consider how many lie about their tips.

i used to be a bus boy. screw the wait staff. they never shared one bit of their tips with me.they would sit around and smoke while i busted ny ass.

thery got tips. i got another job.

Your waiter is taxed based on you tipping 10%. If you tax less than that the gov does not care.

Incorrect.. Waiters are taxed based on their SALES. If everybody was like Boaz, waiters would actually lose money by working and have to cut a check to the IRS every month.. Don't like the system? Fine, but don't punish the people working hard to get by.

Oregon is one of the few places where waiters make minimum wage plus tips. Other places they can make as low as $2/hour. Even at minimum wage, there is virtually no paycheck after taxes.

I put myself through college waiting and bartending. My wife has worked at some very nice restaurants in Portland and waited on many famous people..

They don't call Scotty Pippen, "No Tippen Pippen", for nothing. Bill Gates left her 10%. The best ones were Sam Elliott and Kevin Garnett.

jsprague: when I was in HS I used to buss tables and wash dishes at Willow Bend Polo Club, an exclusive rich people's club in N Dallas (Plano to be exact). I heard the same stories from the waiters there. Mickey Mantle left less than 10%. Prince Charles was there and left nothing, though later his offices sent in exactly 15%. Comedian Flip Wilson left less than 10%.

Good tipper was Stanley Marcus of Neiman Marcus fame. Also Norman Brinker, owner of Steak and Ale restaurant. But for the most part, the best tippers were the non-famous, although they were usually the upper class of Dallas society.

goat is from tx??? that explains everything. the only place in the state worth a damn is el paso. the rest of the state is pretty evil

the rest of the state is pretty evil

Please spread the word. There are too many people who think we have a good real estate market and one of the few places in the country with jobs and a healthy economy and they keep moving down here fucking the place up.

Please let them know otherwise, rasta, and stop the flow.

Thanks

I consider myself lucky. I am lucky enough to love this entire country. I haven't been to anywhere in this great country that I haven't found something positive in and worth devoting my time to. I pity those misanthropes who see evil and hate in places it doesn't exist for whatever reason. Maybe they think its chic. Maybe the think it's cool to be hateful. Maybe it blows wind up their skirts to wrap themselves in angst. Who knows. I'm just glad it's not me.

the rest of the state is pretty evil

Where I grew up, people left their car keys in the ignition all the time. They seldom locked their doors. We left the windows open at night. Kids played and wandered miles from home and there was never any worry as long as they were home by dark. People smiled and waved at you when you passed them on the street, either in the car or on foot. If you didn't have the money to pay for groceries, you just brought it by when you had it. When a neighbor went to the store, they would call to see if you needed anyhing. If you forgot to put a stamp on a letter, the postman would do it for you and leave a note to leave the change in the mailbox the next day. The professionals (doctors, dentists) etc. lived in the same neighborhood -- not a rich closed community mansion farm.

We need more evil places like this IMO.

you describe el paso to a tee then. I loved it there during my enlistment. Some of the friendliest people I have ever met even if most were illegal.

you describe el paso to a tee then.

I was also describing my home in N central Texas, 600 miles away. But it describes pretty much everything in between, too.

As I said, we need more of this kind of evil, DYT?

Some of the friendliest people I have ever met even if most were illegal.

???

The illegals usually get as far away as possible from the border. That is where they are most likely to get caught and sent back.

Where the hell were you hanging at anyway? It doesn't sound like the El Paso (or any border town) I know.

I think you were mistaken. I doubt seriously if you ran into illegals. It is probably just your prejudices shining through. NOt all Mexicans are illegals, you know.

GOATMAN

The name of that novel I"m reading is "The Book of Q"

GREAT read so far....

Ancient manuscripts found in an ancient church in Bosnia - where the Catholic Church was built on top of centuries old Orthodox and Muslim buildings.

I'm enjoying it so far as much as The Divinci Code and Angels and Demons.

Some of the friendliest people I have ever met even if most were illegal.

Entonces tu hablas espanol, verdad? Yo pregunto porque mas de los extranjeros no se hablan ingles.

Q

I'm going to Amazon.com right now and download it to my Kindle.

(I love that thing!)

Excellent GOAT

I hope you like it as much as I am so far.

Say, is that Kindle backlit so you don't need a reading light?

Say, is that Kindle backlit so you don't need a reading light?

No it's not. But that is a good thing. I have tried to read backlit ebooks on my PDA, and it is rough on the eyes. Also it is the lack of backlighting that allows the device to go days of usage without a recharge.

Thanks GOAT

My wife would LOVE it if I had something that doesn't require a light on in bed LOL

AU: Is that the exact title? I cannot find it either in the Kindle store nor as a regular book in Amazon.

GOAT

I found it:

Kindle doesn't have it. *sigh* First book I've looked for that wasn't there.

GOAT, it sure got a crappy review on Amazon.com

Maybe the first 100 pages aren't representative, but it's holding my interest very well.

Maybe it's one of those 'to each his own' things.

Who knows?

GOAT

I'll just hang onto it when I'm done and give it to you in October. By then I'll have finished it too and can give you a better review of my own.

OK. I didn't read the Amazon review. I'm going to go check it out.

Kindle has one book by Johathan Rabb. It's called Rosa. Ever hear of that one?

Haven't heard of 'ROSA'. This is the first novel by Rabb I've read.

I'll just give you the book in October.

goatman you know shit about the good people in el paso. Many people I know were openly illegal nobody cared. El paso was great because whatever you wanted was minutes away. Within minutes I could be up to my elbows in hookers and blow. bet you couldn't say that about your redneck hometown.

goatman you know shit about the good people in el paso.

You don't know shit about Texas border towns and behavior of illegals. I've lived in TExas most of my life. I think I know a bit more than you.

Do try again?

BTW, I presume you speak spanish? Very few illegals speak english. Did you ask, "Hey, are you an illegal?"

Another thing -- I may be off since I don't know your ethnic background, but if you are white, I know you did not associate with illegals. They are scared shitless of white people, especially the ones who haven't made it away from the border.

Don't try to bull shit a Texan about Texas.

You are full of shit, rasta. I notice you failed to explain your other bullshit postings tonight, like how you chased bigots away from the party, or your bogus observations about racism.

Within minutes I could be up to my elbows in hookers and blow. bet you couldn't say that about your redneck hometown.

You are right. My 'redneck' hometown was not known to have hookers and cocaine. Damn

Lucky you to live in such a classy town where those sort of things are at your fingertips. I guess that's why you have to lock your cars up at night, though.

hahaha goat you know nothing then. I completely infiltrated Juarez/ El Paso. I didn't know a lick of spanish when I got there but after 5 years I had several Juarez girlfriends and knew every seedy person in the whole town. I know that border town like the back of my hand.
I have dark hair and dark complected. I fit right in.

How did we oust the racists? we stopped catering to their bigotry and they left. the bigots wanted segregation and the dems were going a different direction the republicans were more than happy to try and give it to them.

I'm still laughing. Rasta thinks Texas is evil then chastizes it because we don't have 'hookers and blow'.

You're a real class act, rasta.

I guess that's why you have to lock your cars up at night, though.

Posted by goatman

Big deal I'll take the tradeoff any day of the week

hahaha goat you know nothing then. I completely infiltrated Juarez/ El Paso.

hahaha. I am 52 and have lived here most of my life. You can't convince me you now more about Texas than I do.

Keep trying though.

What state are you from, BTW?

Big deal I'll take the tradeoff any day of the week

Not me. I'd rather live amongst honest people than dishonest ones.

But to each their own. I see why you despise Texas so much, now. It's perfectly understandable.

goatman are you from jasper texas??

AFRICAN AMERICAN MURDERED BY WHITE SUPREMACISTS IN JASPER, TEXAS

the bigots wanted segregation and the dems were going a different direction the republicans were more than happy to try and give it to them.

And you are so stupid you think there are no bigots outside of the south.

Too much blow, I guess. LOL

What state are you from, BTW?

Posted by goatman

Born and raised in the most wonderful place on earth
California.

goat I don't like blow personally, makes me too thirsty but the exotic dancers i associate with love it.

goatman are you from jasper texas??

You owe me an answer before I answer any more of yours.

Or is equity and two sided conversations something else that makes texas so evil?

I asked above, what state are you from?

And you are so stupid you think there are no bigots outside of the south.

Too much blow, I guess. LOL

Posted by goatman

The largest concentration happens to be in the south by far!!!

I asked above, what state are you from?

Posted by goatman
I answered you I was raised in Nor Cal

Born and raised in the most wonderful place on earth
California.

You are lucky. California is indeed a nice place. I've enjoyed it everytime I visited there.

I'm live in San Antonio, but was born and raised in N Texas.

The largest concentration happens to be in the south by far!!!

What is your proof of that?

The Legacy of Racism in the Southern Region of the United States of America

But 80 percent of lynchings occurred in the South and the images - snapshots of the victim, a mob, and a pine box - became emblematic of the haunting nature of the region's prejudices.

the south is jam packed with racists. These people are probably the direct descendants of people who were doing the lynching. Many southerners wish they could still own slaves.

You made a claim that implied numbers.

Hmm. An article about racism. I did not see anywhere that it quantified it. Even if it did, that is only half the equation. In order to make a comparison we need both sides of the equation. What about racism in the north?

Do you really need to be told that an equation needs two sides?

But 80 percent of lynchings occurred in the South and the images - snapshots of the victim, a mob, and a pine box - became emblematic of the haunting nature of the region's prejudices.

That might be true. As I said upthread, the south is probabably more overt in their racism.

BUt I am amused that you think that if there are no lynchings that racism does not exist.

Real funny stuff, actually.

the south is jam packed with racists.

I'm not sure what you mean by jam packed, but if this is true, the north is also jam packed with them. They just aren't as overt.

Many southerners wish they could still own slaves.

Funny, I've lived in the south my entire life -- 52 years. And I've never met a single person EVER who wished they could own slaves.

What is your proof of this statement? It is contradictory to everything I know.

I love watching the ignorance of the people who have never lived in the south telling people who have lived there their whole lives what goes on there. Once you get past the appalling arrogance of it, it is really funny.

I'm becoming bored with your "The south is full of racists". Proof?

Crickets.

"PEople in the south wish they could own slaves!" Proof?

Crickets

When you get some verifiable and quantifiable proof to back up your highly bizarre and ignorant allegations, I'll get back with you. Until then, I'll amuse myself watching you tell me what happenes in Texas and what it's like.

LOL

I'm going for breakfast. I'll check back after some eggs and see if you have any proof of what you say.

I guess this topic has been derailed, but I'll throw in my 2 cents..

As for Texas, I have only been to Houston (many times) and I hate that place. I hate their airport (George W. Bush airport, no less), the weather, the city, everything except the people. I hear Austin is a very cool city and we plan to visit someday.

As for California - Most of it is a shithole. You people breed like rabbits and then migrate to the other states around you, which is why all of the nearby states can't stand you. You come to Oregon and create demand for your shitty balsa wood cookie cutter houses, drive like assholes, and generally stink up what is otherwise a very nice place to live. While I could never live there, San Francisco is a nice city.

As for the south.. I have only been there a few times and I am always confused. There is so much talk about the racism down there, but when I am there I am amazed by the diversity. It just seems to be people of many races going about their business. While we have a large Asian population here, we have very few black people. Portland is a very "live and let live" place so you don't have a lot of issues with that, except from some of the more rural types. But I am amazed that so many whites in the south haven't just become used to seeing people of other races and become acclimated to it, if nothing else.. Seems like a frustrating place to be a racist...

I like Portland. I have a cousin who lives across the river in Vancouver. I was there a couple of years ago and we went to some sort of music festival downtown. I can't remember the name of it (I'd recognize it if you said it) It was a lot of fun.

Alos have enjoyed the tours to Mt Hood and surrounding area.

California isn't so bad, jsprague. I've been there a lot on pleasure and business.

If I hang around the people here on the DR too much, I become convinced my opinion is worthless. I'm one of the few who enjoy just about everywhere I go in this great country. The only states I've never been to are Alaska, Montanna, and Maine. But the other 47 have been good to me.

But then, I don't judge an entire state by one incident as rasta judges Texas because of those animals from Jasper. If I did, I could look at the zodiac killer case and claim that the entire state of California are mass murderers and their police forces are all inept since he is still on the loose. Fortunately, I'm smarter than rasta.

GOAT

I have cousins in Portland and nearby Lake Oswego.

The drive from Portland to Seaside on the coast is really interesting. When you're about halfway you can see Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Olympia sort of next to each other. Quite a sight to see Mt. St. Helens half gone from that distance.

Seasde and the Oregon coast in general remind me of Brazil with the rock formations jutting up out of the water.

Portland's cool. Reminds me a lot of Nashville. Very similar terrain, downtown, river, people, clean, etc.

And ya, it's really hard to judge a place unless one has spent enough time there. I'd say there are more rednecks in the suburbs of say Detroit than any southern city. Race relations seem better in Nashville than they do up north.

I have to agree with you about race relations of Nashville vs the north. I've never seen any race issues all the times I've been in Nahsville even though it is the south.

Have you ever looked out the plane window coming into Portland looking North? You can see a whole string of those volcanoes. Once I was coming in and it was cloudly, but the tops of the volcanoes were sticking out of the clouds to the north, almost perfectly evenly spaced as far as I could see. It was so cool. Wish I had had my camera with me

I'm one of the few who enjoy just about everywhere I go in this great country. The only states I've never been to are Alaska, Montanna, and Maine. But the other 47 have been good to me.

I have been to most as well. Some I like, some I don't, but it is always fun to go to a new place, even if you wind up not liking it. Also, you can't put an entire state in a box. Most of them are large enough that there is something for everyone.

Have you ever looked out the plane window coming into Portland looking North?

Yes. Pretty cool.

Next time you're there you really should take that drive to Seaside from Portland. Beachfront rentals are pretty reasonable once you get there. You can rent mopeds and go tooling up and down the coast too. to me it's one of the most unique coastlines in the U.S. Quite unbuilt for the most part too.

Once we were flying to Houston from Portland, and the pilot called in for permission to divert the flight path and we flew so close to mount hood we could see the skiers. Very cool of the pilot..

In a lot of states (most, I believe), restaurants are not required to pay waitstaff even minimum wage. It is ASSUMED that customers tip.

Everyone is calling me an asshole because I expect someone to do their job. When the service is good, I tip. Just like other's here have said, if the job was above and beyond, then the tip would be 20 percent and more. But for assholes who think I am going to shell out $20 for a $50 meal and I only saw you maybe three times the entire night, you can kiss my ass....

In the above quote, who would do a job where you might not get paid? Does that make sense? I have learned one thing in life, dont assume anything! That means you might not get paid!

Next time you're there you really should take that drive to Seaside from Portland.

Seaside is fun.. Lincoln City and Newport are other good cities on the coast. Very reasonable house rentals at all of them. If you want some world class golfing head further south to Bandon. 2 or 3 championship courses in a town much less than 10,000.

Everyone is calling me an asshole because I expect someone to do their job.

Maybe people think you are an asshole because you come off as one. Reading your previous posts, it sounded like restaurant workers could suck it in your world. Get a better job you say. If you generally tip 15%, then you aren't really part of the problem are you? You sound like an asshole and then you wonder why everybody calls you one.

...I am going to shell out $20 for a $50 meal..

That would be 40%.. I don't think I have ever tipped that well..

Everyone is calling me an asshole because I expect someone to do their job.--Boaz

Well, no. They're calling you an asshole because you don't pay for services rendered.

In the above quote, who would do a job where you might not get paid? -- Boaz

Gosh, why open a store when someone could steal from you?

I have learned one thing in life, dont assume anything! That means you might not get paid!

As someone else pointed out, the government assumes waiters are tipped, and taxes waitstaff on the basis of sales.

But sure, if there were more people out there like you, I doubt many people would wait tables.

I would realy like to know how he/she found out they realy suck.

As someone else pointed out, the government assumes waiters are tipped, and taxes waitstaff on the basis of sales.

Posted by Phoenix

Did somebody mention allocation earlier? Yeah, that was the worst part, especially in the better, more expensive places. The bill could get up into a few hundred dollars if not more, but in people's minds there seems to be a limit to what a tip should be. There comes a point where, due to the tax allocation, you essentially start losing money the higher the sales go. you wind up paying taxes on tips you didn't make.

I worked several restaurants/bars in high school and it eventually put me through college. Two classes of people REALLY stick out as bad tippers, nurses and black women. If they come in large packs even more so. Bunch of frozen sweet shit and loud bitching about their man, job, kids, us.

Did you know black women need a straw (pronounced skraw) to drink beer?

Anyway, people should remember T.I.P.S. = To Insure Proper Service. If you don't want to tip, fine. But when you come back--and the wait staff WILL remember you--don't expect much. Your food will sit in the back longer than necessary, your salad will be buss-tub buffet, you will get house burbon, watered down, and your glass will go empty.

There are really bad tippers, but the really good ones always made up for it. I had one guy who would bring in dates (usually more than one woman)every Sunday at lunch. In the South, and in my hometown, liquor can't be sold on Sundays, but he tipped $100 minimum so he drank whatever he wanted. Really good tippers get their monies worth eventually. They never wait for a table, their food and service is always top-notch (I would always pick their tuna/beef steak, lobster...from the cooler myself), they hardly ever pay full price for meal and drink, and when we run out of their brand the manager goes to the store to re-up before their glass rattles.

People who really know what's up tip the cook. Cooks go waayyyyy out of their way to prepare good meals for good tippers. Everyone else 'gets what they get it'.

T.I.P.S. = To Insure Proper Service

How much is insurance for proper service? Will that run like $50 a month?

Oh, you mean ensure. That would be T.E.P.S., which wouldn't make much sense.

Insure versus ensure - Most people are clueless as to the difference.

Yeah, well bartenders can't spell ;)

I make a mean margarita though.