The link doesn't work so well. Go to Top Stories and scroll down till you see the Larry King story about UFO cover ups.

Two of them are selling books, I wonder what the other two are selling?

KWRX25

So you think they made up their stories to sell books? Do you think all UFO reports are to sell books? How about the reports from p[olice officers--airline pilots--military personnel--ordinary citizens. Are they all trying to sell books? How many millionaires got their millions from selling books based on lies?

Maybe they were telling what they saw. Maybe they aren't liars.

Is Buzz Aldrin selling a book?

UFO s are real, that's why there are so many pieces of ships and alien bodies laying around. The black helicopter crowd have their tin foil hats on tonight and are riding high.

FABULOUS!!!!! "I Want To Believe"!

Did you have to look, or could you have just guessed the poster?

(I just had to confirm.)

What fwthom said.

After hundreds of thousands of eyewitness reports and fuzzy photographs, we still don't have a single piece of physical evidence. Doesn't the tin foil hat crowd find that just a little bit strange?

Crowd?

After hundreds of thousands of eyewitness reports and fuzzy photographs, we still don't have a single piece of physical evidence. Doesn't the tin foil hat crowd find that just a little bit strange?

Posted by goatman

Billions believe in Jesus and there aren't even anywhere close to that many eyewitness accounts, and none for nearly 2000 years at least, if there ever were any. What's more probable?

Goatman

There is all kinds of physical evidence. You just dismiss it. The Great Pyramid is once such instance. Ancient texts tell of the pyramids as weapons of the gods--designed by the gods and built by men with tools given them by gods. The same with the many of the structures in central and South America. Structures simply beyond our capability to duplicate with our modern machinery.

There has never been any evidence of a body in the Great Pyramid, and no nkown way for the "tomb robbers" to have emptied out its treasures. Conclusion--There were never any treasures to rob--no tomb.

The Great Pyramid has no carving in it of the builder--only a cartouche that is under questionable origin says Khufu built it. Khufu said it was already there, but what does he know.
The Temple of the Sphinx likewise has no heiroglyphs or carvings to tell who built it. A police sketch artist who studied the Sphinx and its supposed builder said they weren't even the same race. But what does he know.

Yes, after all these years there are only fuzzy photos--and clear ones that have been photo shopped, and all the astronauts, police, airline pilots, military personnel, and ordinary citizens are liars, delusional, selling books, or making millions off of their photo shopping skills.

;-)

Billions believe in Jesus and there aren't even anywhere close to that many eyewitness accounts, and none for nearly 2000 years at least, if there ever were any. What's more probable?

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

FF Tom Thumb? 911 done by 19 boxcutters (& goatman's toenail clipper ~ really!:>)

Other alien influence---Baalbeck. The average stone at the Great Pryamid is 15 tons. At baalbeck there are several stones weighing in excess of 400 tons, and there are three "Trilithon" stones weighing in excess of 1000 tons. Modern humanity does not have the capability of duplicating their feat of placing these massive stones.

It was only in 2005 that modern humanity built a crane that was large enough to even lift such weight, and there is no crane or piece of equipment on the planet today that could get equal stones from there place of quarrying to Baalbeck.

That three of these stones are placed like so much flotsom over three thousand years ago should not go unnoticed--but I'm sure you will ignore it also.

The Roman construction was built on top of earlier ruins and involved the creation of an immense raised plaza onto which the actual buildings were placed. The sloping terrain necessitated the creation of retaining walls on the north, south and west sides of the plaza. These walls are built of monoliths at their lowest level each weighing approximately 400 tons. The western, tallest retaining wall has a second course of monoliths containg the famous "trilithon"; a row of three stones each weighing in excess of 1000 tons. A fourth, still larger stone called "the stone of the south" (Hajar el Gouble) or "the stone of the pregnant woman" (Hajar el Hibla) lies unused in a nearby quarry.

The pyramids are not proof of alien influence unless some sort of exotic matter or mummifed alien was found there.

I'm talking about unambiguous phyisical proof.

I may be naive, but I would think that if a space faring civilization wanted to build a structure, they'd employ post-neolithic technologies

There has never been any evidence of a body in the Great Pyramid, and no nkown way for the "tomb robbers" to have emptied out its treasures. Conclusion--There were never any treasures to rob--no tomb.

???

And this is proof of aliens? You're logic is so disjointed that it is incomprehensible.

I think that since there is no body in the pyramid or treasures is actually proof of Ford Pintos or pistachio ice cream.

Ezekiel and multitudes of other Israelites saw quite a few UFO's. The Old Testament is full of stories of extraterrestrial visitors starting in Genesis 7, where the "Sons of God" came down to Earth to mate . Sodom and Gomorrah had their share of 'Angels' who came to mate with humans. Numerous other examples.

Drawings by prehistoric civilizations in caves across the globe of what can only be described as saucer shaped UFO's.

There was a bestselling book out a few years ago called, "Intruders: The incredible visitations at Copely Woods" (Ohio)

Physical evidence there included a swath of ground where the UFO landed and took off from that contained a high amount of radiation. Tests show it was superheated to several thousand degrees Celsius. Nothing has ever grown in short strip of land it took off from - with eyewitnesses from the neighborhood.

Nothing's ever grown there since that night.

The material gathered on the sheep ranch in Roswell was confiscated by the government. Hikers who came upon wreckage were told to never speak of it on threat of imprisonment.
I"m gonna be an agnostic on this one. Not enough to believe, and not enough to disbelieve.

Billions believe in Jesus and there aren't even anywhere close to that many eyewitness accounts, and none for nearly 2000 years at least, if there ever were any. What's more probable?

If you refer to Jesus as son of god, both are equally improbable. I think Jesus existed; he was just a very wise man who knew a few parlor tricks that people noticed.

"What's more probable...."

Between Jesus and aliens? We have billions of examples of individual persons, and evidence of such persons going back quite a while.

Not a single alien pickled anywhere, although many humans. Perahps I miss your point?

"A few parlor tricks people noticed...."

Which?

If UFOs/aliens/whatever come to earth with simple, irrefutable proof that there ain't no deity, it is surely in the corporate/military establishment's interest to quash any evidence of their existence, lest something interfere with exploitation.

It may be like "civilization" arriving at earth's most primitive cultures. Roswell's museums convinced me that SOMETHING came, SOMETHING was quashed. I like to believe that whatever that was is better than whatever we have. herm

Not a single alien pickled anywhere, although many humans. Perahps I miss your point?

Posted by Zed

perhaps you missed the memo...:>)

Former U.S. military commander says elites hide from humanity knowledge and contact with many Extraterrestrials civilizations

by Paul Chen

Robert Dean is a former U.S. military commander.

Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean worked at NATOs Supreme Headquarters from 1963-1967, and during this time was stationed in the Operations Center with a Cosmic Top Secret clearance. "He claims to have viewed a secret NATO study that was commissioned to analyze the threat posed by UFOs to NATO operations in Eastern Europe", reports Dr. Michael Salla, who is a scholarly researcher on Extraterrestrial life and Earthbound human political implications, in the article entitled "Extraterrestrials among Us", Exopolitics Journal, Vol 1:4 (October 2006): 284-300.

The classified report was titled: An Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Military threat to Allied Forces in Europe.-- It focused on the dangers of UFOs being mistakenly identified as an incoming ballistic missile attack from the Soviet Union. Dean claimed that the NATO study identified four different extraterrestrial civilizations visiting the Earth.

"Simple, irrefutbale proof there ain't no deity...."

Yah. What if they're believers?

Just using logic, if an alien race were committed to making itself known, there is no government in teh world that could hide that.

Unless that alien race were much, much less knowledgeable and powerful than so many here seem to assume. In which case, just using logic, not much reason to cover them up at all.

There has never been any evidence of a body in the Great Pyramid, and no nkown way for the "tomb robbers" to have emptied out its treasures. Conclusion--There were never any treasures to rob--no tomb.

???

And this is proof of aliens? You're logic is so disjointed that it is incomprehensible.

I think that since there is no body in the pyramid or treasures is actually proof of Ford Pintos or pistachio ice cream.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-21 07:17 PM |

Where did I say it was proof of aliens? I said it was proof there was no treasure and no tomb.

It is easy to see how humans built the Ford Pinto, and the recipe for pistachio ice cream is well known. It is not easy to see how the Great Pyramid was built by primitive people, and it is not known how it was done. See any difference there BoZo? Any difference at all?

;-)

You say aliens are atheists. I say they go to church. I'd say that's a Mexican standoff, given the state of the art.

"Simple ... proof there ain't no deity....Yah. What if they're believers?"

"Believers" probably would not have achieved the levels of technology required for the kind of space travel it takes to get here. herm

Just curious, why doesn't the presence of an enormous sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid suggest it's a tomb?

"Would not have achieved the levels of technology...."

You can't mean that. Someone needs to make you read more sceince fiction. You've just enough to be dangerous.

"What's more probable...."

Between Jesus and aliens? We have billions of examples of individual persons, and evidence of such persons going back quite a while.

Not a single alien pickled anywhere, although many humans. Perahps I miss your point?

Posted by Zed at 2008-07-21 07:25 PM | Reply

I'm sure I missed your point. People have been around a long time and that proves Jesus? Is that it?

No, Bob---My point is people have been around long time and no one's proved aliens.

Which?

water to wine, walking on water, etc.

"Walking on water...."

Sure. Know any stage magician doing that now? If none, why none?

Again, just using logic, you'd be better off stating the event never happened than saying it's a trick.

Just curious, why doesn't the presence of an enormous sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid suggest it's a tomb?

Posted by Zed at 2008-07-21 07:38 PM

There is no sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid. There is a granite box that could have held a sarcophagus, but no sarcophagus. The sarcophagus and body are gone, as is the lid to the granite box and the broken corner of the granite box. However, there is no way to have gotten the stuff out of the Great Pyramid. There is no exit known for any thieves to have removed any treasures. Access to the Pyramid was not acheived until the 800's, and when opened, it was found to be empty. That entrance is still the only one known today, and the thieves didn't use it centuries ago since it didn't exist.

Where did I say it was proof of aliens? I said it was proof there was no treasure and no tomb.

OK. We were talking about aliens. Rivers are proof that water flows downhill too, but that's just as irrelevant

"There is a grantie box...."

Ye (assuredly non-existent) gods. Pecked to death by semantics.

It is not easy to see how the Great Pyramid was built by primitive people

No, it is not easy to see. BUt the incapability to understand does not prove it was done by aliens.

1000 years ago, no one could have explained how a TV works. They would have defaulted to something like demons or gods, just as you default to aliens to credit for something you don't understand.

What is, and what was, underneath the ground at the base of the Great Pyramid, Bob? One ancient funerary ship excavated and another waiting to be so.

No, Bob---My point is people have been around long time and no one's proved aliens.

Posted by Zed at 2008-07-21 07:41 PM

Aliens have been proven beyond doubt to those who have seen them, and had electonic device implanted in them. Aliens have been depicted all through history from early cave drawings up to modern reporting. There are far more eye witnesses to aliens and UFOs than there are witnesses to Jesus.

Sure. Know any stage magician doing that now? If none, why none?

I don't know. Maybe Jesus knew where the rocks were. As I told bOoB, I don't assume supernatural to explain the natural just because I don't have all the answers.

No, it is not easy to see. BUt the incapability to understand does not prove it was done by aliens.

1000 years ago, no one could have explained how a TV works. They would have defaulted to something like demons or gods, just as you default to aliens to credit for something you don't understand.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-21 07:47 PM |

I think I do understand it. I think aliens built it as a weapon and landmark. They didn't put any writing in it because it had nothing to do with the primitive people around. Would we build a palace in the jungle and then brag to the chimps about it? Is it proof? No--is it more logical than the current story? To me it is. I can't see a man having such a big ego that he has to have the largest tomb ever built and then not put his epitaph on it someplace--his life story--his name. I can't see a tomb with no body in it. I can't see a tomb with no treasures or any way to get the treasures out. Aliens seem most logical to me, but opinions vary. But add it to all the other places like Baalbeck--central America with its walls and stone structures we still can't duplicate---mummies in ancient egypt with traces of cocaine and tobacco from the New World--the first civilization cental America was the Olmecs--and they were black. It all ties in with possible alien interventions.

Let's try the link again.

I think I do understand it. I think aliens built it as a weapon and landmark

You'd think that kind of a civilization would have the technology to plant a small radio beacon. Must be Flintstones in Space

As far as a weapon, it doesn't seem very formidible. And like a beacon, I think it could be done more elegantly.

To me it is. I can't see a man having such a big ego...

You don't know zatoichi

Goatman-
re: I think I do understand it. I think aliens built it as a weapon and landmark

The trick is, you have to pick it up and hit someone over the head with it. Impossible for us, maybe....

I say that if you could walk on water--you should be able to fly. If you are so light that your body weight doesn't break the surface tension of water, simple wave action should have tossed Jesus in the air a few feet. I would also say that if Jesus was that light, he should have been able to fly a pretty good ways with a simple jump before gravity pulled him back to Earth. Jesus has the super power of changing his body mass? Wasn't there a super villain in one of the x-men movies with that ability? Rhino guy or something?

Is zed the gzlives of christianity?

Just wondering.

Someone has to save us from Bush!

The trick is, you have to pick it up and hit someone over the head with it. Impossible for us, maybe....

Posted by BetelG at 2008-07-21 08:07 PM | Reply

The capstone was supposed to be a beamed weapon. There are texts called the Pyramid wars--written long before our history says the pyramids were built.

I can't see a tomb with no body in it.

I don't either. So maybe it wasn't built as a tomb. The Arc de Triumphe is a huge structure that is not a tomb. So was the Rhodes of Colosseus and the Gateway Arch and Mount Rushmore and the Washington Monument and the Mayan Pyramids.

OK. That's settled. The Great Pyramid is not a tomb.

"The capstone was supposed to be a beamed weapon."

Oh...I see....

I say that if you could walk on water--you should be able to fly. If you are so light that your body weight doesn't break the surface tension of water, simple wave action should have tossed Jesus in the air a few feet. I would also say that if Jesus was that light, he should have been able to fly a pretty good ways with a simple jump before gravity pulled him back to Earth. Jesus has the super power of changing his body mass? Wasn't there a super villain in one of the x-men movies with that ability? Rhino guy or something?

Or he knew where the rocks were.

Sorry, bOoB -- I know you hate simple explanations when a long contrived one will do.

Proof of aliens? How about the Nazca Lines? How can anyone explain huge shapes, carved into the surface of the landscape and lined with small stones that can ONLY be seened and discerned from the air? They weren't even discovered until airplanes were able to fly over the area. Yeah, I believe. I believe that to think we are the ONLY intelligent life - or that we ARE intelligent life - in the Universe is just plain wrong and if it WERE true, would be a terrible waste of space. And I do not think that to believe in life on other planets and in other solar systems negates the idea of a God or a Unifying Force in the Universe. It just means that whatever Higher Power caused Life to be created on Earth was also busy elsewhere.

The Temple Mount in Jeruselam is another example. It was built long before the place was holy to ANY religion, and no one knows who built it. The Dome of the rock and its Muslim temple take up just a small part, and the base consists of much larger stones than later additions.

Even the founding of Jeruselam has been attributed to aliens. There is no reason for Juruselam to exist where it is. There is nothing special about the place that would make it a likely place for founding a city. However its location becomes critical in ancient texts that describe gods from the heavens living on earth--as do other locations such as Baalbeck and the pyramids.

The capstone was supposed to be a beamed weapon."

Oh...I see....

Posted by BetelG at 2008-07-21 08:13 PM

Not if you didn't read the link.

One of the earliest things I can remember as a toddler, maybe three or four years old, is seeing the grownups putting what they were calling a horsehair into a jar of wellwater and seeing it come to life and swim around.

A horsehair snake, they were calling it.

I thought my uncle had got the hair from the tail of one of the horses in the barnyard.

I've never seen anything else like that again, or even heard of anything similar.

What the hell was that?

How can anyone explain huge shapes, carved into the surface of the landscape and lined with small stones that can ONLY be seened and discerned from the air?

Yes. They paced off certain lengths at certain angles. Not that fucking difficult.

I believe in UFOs I have seen flying cylinders heading towards Patrick Air Force base 1/4 to 1/2 mile long. Sad but true.

They are out there. The Bible tells accounts of them. I find it amusing how many christians only believe we are alone. Why? The bible told me so.... In fact, close reading and it tells a lot more too.

What the hell was that?

If you have to ask, it has to be aliens

I say that if you could walk on water--you should be able to fly. If you are so light that your body weight doesn't break the surface tension of water, simple wave action should have tossed Jesus in the air a few feet. I would also say that if Jesus was that light, he should have been able to fly a pretty good ways with a simple jump before gravity pulled him back to Earth. Jesus has the super power of changing his body mass? Wasn't there a super villain in one of the x-men movies with that ability? Rhino guy or something?

Or he knew where the rocks were.

Sorry, bOoB -- I know you hate simple explanations when a long contrived one will do.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-21 08:13 PM | Reply

Now what are your delusions telling you? That that statement was in support of Jesus walking on water? Try putting all the words together every now and then. The conclusion of my statement is that Jesus did not walk on water. Your overly imaginative explanation could be shortened to---people just lied about it. Knowing where all the rocks are is to say that no one else knew where the rocks were, Jesus spent a lot of time flailing about in secret until he learned where the rocks were, and at showtime, he didn't slip off and drown.

Yes. They paced off certain lengths at certain angles. Not that fucking difficult.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-21 08:27 PM | Reply

They had a guy on TV that believed the same thing and set out to prove it. He failed.

A horsehair snake, they were calling it.

I thought my uncle had got the hair from the tail of one of the horses in the barnyard.

I've never seen anything else like that again, or even heard of anything similar.

What the hell was that?

Posted by Mista Kurtz at 2008-07-21 08:24 PM

Bad link

They had a guy on TV that believed the same thing and set out to prove it. He failed.

One guy out of the tens of billions who have walked this earth. Wow. That's all I need for proof that it can't be done. Let me guess. This TV show advocated aliens in our presense or in our past, right? Gee how did I know?

They didn't ask me. I could do it.

They didn't ask me. I could do it.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-21 08:39 PM

Sure you could.

;-)

Sure you could.

I sure could. Any idiot can look at a drawing, figure the angle of radiating lines or triangles and pace off a proportional distance.

Now if this was done say on a scale between two continents or somewhere with a lake or mountain in the middle of it, I'd say it would be close to impossible for a man of thousands of years ago to do.

Or if it was a mandelbrot fractal or the Julia set, I'd be impressed and have to question how it was done.

But that relatively small drawing, and simple as it is -- no sweat.

Goatman, I am not saying the Nazca Lines were DONE by Aliens. I believe they were carved or whatever by human beings. But WHY???? Why are they there? Who did these people think they were going to communicate with???? The lines can ONLY be seen from the sky.

"Is Zed the GZ of Christianity...."

You'll thank me later.

"Maybe Jesus knew where the rocks were....?"

But, of course, no one else then or now did or does. A miracle by any other name.

"You should be able to fly...."

Christ does, in fact, appear to fly. Book of Acts.

This is why I can't help jumping in. The same people at different times will state Jesus wasn't Christ because He can't fly or because He was said to.

"People just lied about it...."

People ever lie about UFO's, Bob? To make your case regarding the Great Pyramid, you've engaged in countless lies of ommission. That is, assuming you have a mastery of the subject.

Zed

Sure people have lied about UFOs. People confess to murders they never committed.

The question is---do all UFO people lie? How about Gordon Cooper? How about Buss Aldrin.

Here is a nice little video--what do you see?

Buzz Aldrin--sorry.

But WHY????

I've no idea. But you say they can only be seen from the sky. The people who did them would know that, too. So perhaps they were trying to communicate with or impress their gods who they thought lived overhead.

But that's just a guess, of course. I cannot put myself into their state of mind.

To make your case regarding the Great Pyramid, you've engaged in countless lies of ommission. That is, assuming you have a mastery of the subject.

Posted by Zed at 2008-07-21 09:24 PM | Reply

Such as? What have I omitted that bothers you? What facts have I stated that you dispute?

Maybe Jesus knew where the rocks were....?"

But, of course, no one else then or now did or does.

Maybe he put them there for his little trick and removed them later. I don't know. I've seen David Copperfield perform mind blowing tricks that I can't begin to explain. But I don't think he's the son of god either.

"I don't know...."

Start with an understanding of local geography and work from there. Or sic David on it. Make a great show, worth millions. Wonder why that hasn't been enough incentive?

Wonder why that hasn't been enough incentive?

As far as I know he is still making millions. The incentive is still alive.

BBob: I believe in UFO's

Goatman: I don't

30 bazillion threads and posts later:

BBob: I believe in UFO's

Goatman: I don't

FF for AU!

Two FFs for AU!

Folowed that link about "Olmec Heads" ahh, hilarity.

Soheifox

I said the Olmecs were black, not aliens. This is the link.

"We can talk to Bob all day, present him with endless actual facts like the ones I link to, but the zealot will never back down. They can't. It's theology"

I rely on facts. You seem to rely on insults. What is the difference between the link in your post and the link in my post except my link makes your link look like a booger?

My link.

I just don't think "pourous limestone that can be dug through with shovels" is the same thing as "No way for the thieves to escape!"

Posted by soheifox at 2008-07-21 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag

The Pyramids are not made of porous limestone that can be dug through with a shovel. The Sultan who finally broke through had an army and almost gave up in defeat.

However--even if the Pyramid WERE made of porous limestone that could be dug through with a shovel, there would be a hole where they dug through. There would have been debris left on the inside of the Pyramid where the hole started. Where's the hole, Super Genius? How about some of those facts you were bragging about?

;-)

BBob

That is a logical question....

There would have been debris left on the inside of the Pyramid where the hole started. Where's the hole, Super Genius?

I guess I'm a super genius. I can easily answer these questions.

The hole was closed. You know, just as a door doesn't have to remain open forever, or a hole have to remain open forever. The debris was cleaned up as it has been for centuries.

The hole was closed. You know, just as a door doesn't have to remain open forever, or a hole have to remain open forever. The debris was cleaned up as it has been for centuries.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-22 12:05 AM |

And the repair was better than the original construction and never found. It was a magic repair that left no marks and has yet to be discovered. They made this magic repair after there was nothing left to steal, to protect absolutely nothing, and put so much effort into it that not even an army could break into it, and modern science has not detected the repair. Maybe you should contact Zahi Hawass and tell him about the new tunnel you pulled out of your ass. I'm sure he will be impressed. I am.

hee hee

;-)

BBob --

Back to your "how did they get out of the completely sealed pyramid" question again????? I see you never watched the History Channel documentary I told you to watch a couple weeks ago called "The Lost Pyramid."

Everything was explained how there often so many ways to enter and leave the tombs and how many of the tombs weren't even tombs, per se, but were designated for other uses and had people leaving and entering them all the time. Plus there were numerous chambers and tunnels dug all throughout the pyramid AND they often had limestone for the building material which eroded after centuries.

You have now really earned

You have now really earned your title of "MuMmY DuMmY"

And the repair was better than the original construction and never found.

Then how do they know it was better than the original construction?

Maybe you should contact Zahi Hawass and tell him about the new tunnel you pulled out of your ass.

???

You are the one who keeps insisting it is there, not I. Have you finally gone off the deep end? Is that what that little 'hee hee' was all about? As in "They're coming to take me away haha. They're coming to take me away hoho haha hehe"

They made this magic repair after there was nothing left to steal, to protect absolutely nothing,

bOoB -- you are arguing the silliest circular argument I have ever heard. You say there is nothing to steal there. OK. Then there is no reason to find a secret entrance and open it is there? YOu've said all along it's not a tomb because there was nothing in there. So why would anyone break in?

You are crazy.

Califchris

I watched that program. It had little to do with the Great Pyramid. There are not tunnels running all through the Pyramid, and there is only one entrance.

But if you think they told how they got the stuff out--be specific--step up. How did they get the stuff out?

I'm bored. I'll argue with for a bit.

"I said the Olmecs were black, not aliens. This is the link."

...sigh. I liked to an image of ALL of them, side by side, for a reason. Don't send us back to a page with a bunch of different angle shots of the same few. When you look at ALL of them, they're just a bunch of heads with helmets on. When you look at three or four of them, gosh they do look the people who always inhabited Brazil. Whom do, in fact, resemble the Africans that evolved in a similar climate. People from similar climates evolving to look the same? Nah, that's not what happened, there was one underlying civilization, right? The whole climate thing's just a coincidence.

However, if you look at ALL of the heads.. the similarities stop quickly. My booger link is better then your booger link, because mine shows all the boogers. Yours just shows the three or four that fit the conclusion you already arrived at.

As for the holes:

I can't believe I actually have to spell this out to you: The holes are all over the place, and proof of grave robbers as well. We are trying to dig without destroying. However, we ARE sure it was a burial ground. It's all linked out from the wikipedia article I sent you to. Let me go ahead and give you the relevant sentence which you can footnote from.

"Despite precautions such as covering the entrance hole with casing and the portcullises, thieves had bypassed all the barriers even before the Old Kingdom had ended"

Can you understand that? They dug through the soft limestone casing before the pyramid was sealed. I know that doesn't fit your vision of the pyramids being laser weapons, but it's what the actual evidence suggests when taken objectively. I realize I must also hold your hand and guide you directly to where it explains that we know how they were built.

Goatman

How do you think they managed to make the interior wall look like the rest of the pyramid--nice and finished--and still end up on the outside of the Pyramid. They didn't find any bodies in there. It would have to be a pretty big hole. The hole would have to have been around for a while also--I doubt the thieves could have emptied the tomb out in one night, and at the time, the Pyramid had perfectly smooth sides all around. It would have been difficult climbing up to the hole and carrying things down.

Facts are there is only one entrance into the Pyramid. Facts are there is no known way for the thieves to have robbed the tomb since the entrance did not exist until the 800's when the Pyramid was opened, and found empty.

Most of the south american area, the Brazilians. Not Egypt. I know you're already composing a post going "Brazilians didn't take Egypt or the pyramids! Hah you moron!" I realize too late before I posted I have to spell it out for you, and context is above you.

--I doubt the thieves could have emptied the tomb out in one night,

I thought you said it wasn't a tomb. bOoB, you are hard to keep up with.

Facts are there is only one entrance into the Pyramid.

Facts are there is only one known entrance into the Pyramid.

The end-all explanation to the world according to da bOoB:

If it can't be explained, it has to be aliens.

The end-all explanation to the world according to da bOoB:

If it can't be explained, it has to be aliens.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-22 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

10 thousand years from now some weird fuzzy thing will be communicating that the televisions from our time were "way ahead of the technology available to us at the time" because there's just always people like that.

But the thing is this: In my opinion, people like Bob actually DO make a valid contribution to society. Scientists will stop to take the time to disprove their insane theories, and through that we will always learn things that may otherwise have been lazily glossed over as irrelevant. It's good to keep scientists on their toes. You never know when it will come in handy for us, as a people, to know how to make pyramids again.

*smartass gremlin rises up again*
...cause after all. We'll need the pyramid laser beams to shoot down the UFO's.

I'm going to leave you with my parting gift (since rational argument and facts don't make a dent).

Plenty of ammo for your evening entertainment --

We'll need the pyramid laser beams to shoot down

Being a little bit familiar with laser technology, I'm still curious how stone lases. Maybe bOoB can explain.

BuffaloBob - forgot to put your name on my 12:55 am post

That was a funny link, CC. Thanks. I thought it was supposed to be serious at first.

at the fastest speed possible, it would take over 10,000 years for an alien to reach us. if he got here, he ain't the one that left and he is not going back. but star trek fans have "warp" drives, really neat!

How does stone lase?

'Alien technology' of course! The sort us dumb humans wouldn't understand, duh!

You may as well ask what Superman breathes in space or why angels have nothing better to do than dance on pins.

"Billions believe in Jesus and there aren't even anywhere close to that many eyewitness accounts, and none for nearly 2000 years at least, if there ever were any. What's more probable?

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-07-21 06:38 PM"

Flying Snowmen from Uranus are more probable than that fairy tale!

at 2008-07-21 07:29 PM

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 05:36 PM

These officers MUST be lying. All Super Geniuses know that Aliens don't exist.

Are we protein? It would seem that shipping costs would be high unless there are quite unconventional and relatively cheap means of travel and transportation available.

What are the criteria for various types of utilization? We eat pig, and pigs attain the intelligence of a three year old child, and who knows the intellectual attainments of whales and dolphins and the like, or even octopi, are.

Are we in the same relative intelligence ratio to "them," and just creatures to be exploited for their benefit, or are we all simpatico? Is it consciousness? What?

Bob, you have the inside track on these matters. What's the relationship?

And let me know when Elvis gets here.

Goatman

They made this magic repair after there was nothing left to steal, to protect absolutely nothing,

bOoB -- you are arguing the silliest circular argument I have ever heard.

Not at all--I am just mirroring your stupid argument and pointing out the flaws in your logic of the "disappearing hole".

"You say there is nothing to steal there. OK."

I say there was NEVER anything to steal. It was never a tomb, and never contained treasures.

Then there is no reason to find a secret entrance and open it is there?

Absolutely true.

YOu've said all along it's not a tomb because there was nothing in there. So why would anyone break in?

They wouldn't. They didn't. However, current theory is that it was a tomb and there was a treasure in there and that thieves broke in and stole it. My point is that that theory is not true.

You do know that most people think the Great Pyramid is a tomb and that it was looted long ago, and the pyramid discussion has been---if that is true--how did they get the stuff out--don't you?

You are crazy.

Maybe--but at least I don't make up theories about Magic Holes in the Pyramid.

;-)

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-22 12:26 AM | Reply

The creature no slight intended) behind these missile problems could with one statement make themselves the number one good guys for all times with a totally public announcement that a nuclear war will not be allowed. We could let any idiot that wants to build all he wants. They will not go off. With the threat of being nuked gone, a great deal more freedom of action both good and bad would occur.

Some of the up and coming countries would possibly do some foolish things. When things settle down and they likely would, a new world order may be in place. A world where groups of second tier countries take on collectively greater power. Without total world destruction possible just who would have and who wouldn't have power?

Keith204

What if those #1 good guys decide to make ALL the rules? If they can stop nukes from going off--they can make them go off. They would have the only nuclear power available. Would you think that a good idea?

I don't know Bob but think of it this way. If they are so advanced as to be able to fly galactic distances and defeat gravity etc. They may well be able to at will, destroy us. They don't, why.

Hopefully it is because we are worth the effort. Let us hope it isn't that they are using the earth as a ranch. If their biggest best selling book is "To serve humans". Book tickets on the first flight out of the system.

As fascinating as this talkback is, aliens versus Jesus, magic doors in pyramids,etc. I think we are overlooking something remarkable. Some very credible people, such as these air force officers, are making some amazing claims.

What we should be arguing is whether we should generally accept that there is a genuine phenomena out there that is beyond mundane explanations. In other words, should this phenomena be the focus of serious study rather than delegated to the lunatic fringe by the media and academia?

PAX

Keith204

Maybe they don't destroy us for the same reason we don't kill other life forms and human civilizations that are not as powerful as ours. I think if we were in their position, that we wouldn't destroy the planet or life forms on the planet we were visiting either. I would think that we would try to communicate with the government or leaders of the planet we were visiting and work out some sort of agreement that was beneficial to both sides. I think that is exactly what has happened on our planet, and I think that aliens were here long before humanity showed up. I think that humanity was created by crossing their DNA with the local hominid to make a worker to carry out their work orders. I base this on the first book of Genesis--the Enuma Elish, which the current bible, toral and koran are based on. The Enuma Elish tells of all the planets--their order of creation, it describes the asteroid belt, and is under study by some scholars as a source for the origin of the solar system. The Enuma Elish says that humanity was made by binding the "essense" of the gods on the local biped, and creating humanity "in our own image, and our own likeness". A passage that was directly copied from Enuma Elish into the biblical story of Genesis. Except in Enuma Elish, it makes sense to say "OUR" since there was more than one god. In the biblical tale, there should only have been ONE god, and therefore "OUR" or "US" would not be correct since there was only one--supposedly.

"If they are so advanced as to be able to fly galactic distances and defeat gravity etc. They may well be able to at will, destroy us."

Assuming (big A) "they" can "fly" galactic distances, "defeat" gravity, are more powerful than a locomotive, leap tall buildings in a single bound, all that rot, they don't need nukes or ray guns or heat beams or any of that stuff dreamed up through decades of incredibly bad sci-fi to destroy us. Fleets of armored dreadnoughts bristling with weaponry to raze the surface of the planet, hoards of alien bug things transporting down to the surface to kill, Kill, KILL!!

Phfffft!!!!

What a waste of resources.

They merely need to nudge one of the errant asteroids floating about our system in the right direction, change its orbit, and in a few months or years, SPLAT!! Doesn't even need to be a particularly big rock. And all that it would cost them would be a little propellant and some some CPU time.

That's what I would do if I was some evil alien type bent on defeating the puny humans. Unless I was Ming the Merciless. Then I'd want to play y'all for a while. Fire hail. Some earthquakes to shake it up. Throw in some tornadoes. Have some fun. Then: SPLAT!!

I just leaned quite a bit about what was done to Maxwells Physics equations by A Dr. Heavisides. Basicy it set back the study of physics 100 years. Read up on Tesla.

"Maybe they don't destroy us for the same reason we don't kill other life forms and human civilizations that are not as powerful as ours."

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

I see that you're not much of a student of history.

We have made it a point to kill other life forms. How many tasty beefy life forms are laid on the grill and slathered