Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

A woman who knew Diego Ortiz, one of the burglars gunned down by Pasadena, Texas, homeowner Joe Horn, warned her friend that breaking into homes would get him killed, according to recently released police records.

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They were warned. Now they're dead. Libs and the ACLU can cry all they want, but Joe Horn is a hero.

His actions may have resembled those of a hero, but in reality he's just a crazy old man.

but Joe Horn is a hero

A regular John Wayne, except for the whole unarmed and in the back thingie. Maybe a Jessica Lynch level hero...

But he was brown, so that counts for something.

And FWTHOM is a caricature.

While I'm fine with his actions labeling him a "Hero" is just utterly stupid. No surprise it comes from FWTHOM.

A Joe Horn thread is always good for at least 300 posts.

in the article, Ms. Diamond Morgan, an amiga of Mr. Ortiz and who had his baby a few days after his demise,
had this to say about her baby's daddy:

...Morgan stated that Ortiz would target foreigners and
undocumented individuals
[pc speak for: other illegal aliens] and then rob them....

It was only a matter of time until somebody stopped his life of crime with a bullet.

I'm not all that enthusiastic about shooting people in the back... just rubs me the wrong way. On the other hand these guys weren't stealing food and gas to keep their children alive... it was pure greed. So, whatever... this was bound to happen to these thieves at some point.

And they're doing it in Texas.. should have known better.

Why is it that right wing douchebags like FWthom seem to think that liberals cry over the death of these two criminals? We don't. Rather, we are offended at the type of cold blooded vigilante behavior Joe Horn engaged in.

Who'd want to steal horns? Are they that desperate for a brass section?

On a somewhat related note, just got through watching No Country For Old Men. That was messed up.

From the article:

"The first time I saw the white male (Horn) he had a shotgun shouldered and was about to confront the two black males," Williams wrote. "He pointed the shotgun in the direction of the two males and he called out some sort of verbal command. I assumed his vocalization was directed at the black males."


It say's they were Colombians in the article. I'm sure there are black people from/in Colombia, but I doubt that was the case here. Sounds like simple minded people all around in that Texas shit hole. The officer can't even correctly identify these men and the other Texas turd decides to blow them away after being told to stay inside by the dispatcher and telling her "I'm going to kill them'.

I'm off to take a big steaming texas and then wipe my oklahoma.

from another article:

The men Horn shot Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Torres, 38 were both illegal immigrants from Colombia.

Police suspect they were part of an organized home burglary ring.

Torres had been previously deported after serving a prison term for distributing cocaine.

Horn said he shot the men as they exited his neighbors home carrying a sack of cash and jewelry.

An autopsy indicated the men were shot in the back.


I heard different stories. One was that one of these thugs had turned back towards Horn as if going to come at him. I don't think it's right to shoot anyone in the back. Does anyone know if these guys were armed? Also, why did the undercover cop stay in the car? Just wonderin'.

I heard different stories. One was that one of these thugs had turned back towards Horn as if going to come at him.

I heard that as well. I saw an interview with the guy about a week ago and that's exactly what he said. Did he really shoot these guys in the back? Cause there's definitely no call for that type of pussy action.

In a crazy world where paroll boards, lib judges and the ACLU love to let criminals out of prison so they can rob, rape, and kill again and again, it is refreshing when a hero like Joe Horn provides some swift and sure justice.

There is a 50 foot high statue of Sam Houston on I-45 here in Texas. We need to constuct another statue of equal size of Joe Horn holding his beloved shotgun and a sign saying: "SOMETIMES JUSTICE IS SWIFT"

I have a friend who always acts like an asshole when he's drinks in public. I've warned him a million times about an eventual ass-kicking. Doesn't mean the meathead who is going to kick his ass is a hero (in fact, I and others have intervened in several cases where the guy about to kick his ass was an even bigger asshole). When it happens, the person who beats him will probably be some Guido twice his size looking for an excuse to pummel someone who couldn't possibly defend himself.

Kind of like how Joe Horn was looking for an excuse to shoot someone in the back and found one.

"I'm off to take a big steaming texas and then wipe my oklahoma." - COMM

Well stated.


You pussies have seen too many cowboy movies about how it is wrong to shoot people in the back. Obviously you have not been in combat or on ambush patrol. Believe me, we shot them any way they were coming or going and then made sure they were not getting up. Joe Horn did the same thing.

Joe Horn was in his suburban home, you idiot when he shot two fleeing men in the back.. He was not on ambush or combat patrol. If this is too big a concept for you to differentiate then why am I wasting my time addressing you?

Hero? More like coward. If he was a real hero he wouldn't have needed a gun to take these guys down. He would have used his fists.

Well, I guess they won't rob anyone else.

"SOMETIMES JUSTICE IS SWIFT"

Only took Sam & company 18 minutes at San Jacinto.

www.sanjacinto-museum.org


I'm impressed FW. Where was it that you saw combat and shot people in the back?

"You pussies have seen too many cowboy movies about how it is wrong to shoot people in the back."

Funny because I was thinking to myself that all these fake law and order types who say a guy deserves to be shot in the back for burglary are little girls.

You've never known anyone who committed a petty crime? As a kid, you or your friends never trespassed? What kind of priss do you have to be not to have at least one friend or relative who did something stupid like this and who you think didn't deserve to die over it?

To take a position like "Anyone who ever goes somewhere they legally aren't supposed to be deserves to be shot in the back", you have to be a very sheltered, precious little flower.

(And yes, I know this guy seems to be a repeat offender but Horn had no way of knowing that. He would have just as readily shot a teenager who broke into a garage to steal beer.)


If he had blown away white people, there would not have been any discussion at all. Just some good old Texas justice. Seeing as they are of color it is automatically racism. Get over it. As soon as people of color stop committing most of the crimes, then they will not be shot committing crimes. 2 down, 20 million to go.

Obamabinladan: That has got to be among the stupidest most incorrect posts I have read on this site in a while. You must be a right winger. Or a troll.

Sag...this yarn will undoubtably be an action-packed, scintillating tale of manly derring-do. Popcorn, anyone? Enthrall us, Mr. Thom.

"Woman told Horn Burglar he'd end up dead"?

No Shit, Nostrodamus!

Wot gave ya yer first omen?

A non-white serial burglar in Texas coming to a bad end?

Say it aint so!

If you got a dead pool ya really oughta consider putting morons like these guys on yer list of likely prospects.

If ya really wanna get rid of an annoying Life Insurance agent just explain that yer a serial burglar in Texas and they'll pretty much leave you alone.

Be Well.

/Burglars = Scum = Horn.

Funny because I was thinking to myself that all these fake law and order types who say a guy deserves to be shot in the back for burglary are little girls.

It was wrong to shoot these guys in the back. Period.
'
That said, these two were hardly "petty criminals." They were part of an organized home burglary ring from Columbia, entered our country illegally using fake Puerto Rican driver's licenses, had been deported and re-entered illegally again, and had convictions for trafficing cocaine. That qualifies for them as quite a bit more than some two-bit petty criminals in my book.

No one seems to be able to answer my question about wbether either of them were armed or not.

I believe what you have in this case is known as "jury nullification."
The jury may have felt Horn possibly broke the law by shooting these men when it appears his life may not have been in danger if he just stayed in his home. But this was a Texas jury of law abiding citizens who, by their "non guilty" verdict, were telling the other illegal alien members of this organized home burglary ring to "get the hell out of Dodge" (and by extension the U.S.) and stay out.

In other news.

Here in Texas we are sorry we ever joined the union.


Those of us who were here first.

Them's my Choctaw and Osage DNAs.

(chuckle)


(I speak for myself. But my blood is in Lannius and Randolph and Bonham and Sherman and Marlin and Waco and Marfa and Frankfurt Germany. I can never forgive my parents for moving to Waco, yet I became a ham radio operator and a pilot there.)

I moved to Austin as soon as I left Baylor in disgust. What idiots.


(Fast-forward to 6:24 PM today)


Eight scintilator strips left on the next detector.

Here it is in the process of building the middle layer.

www.hep.utexas.edu


SCUBA in Lake Travis 1966. It was actually clear then. KMA)

Hell, Juan Seguin went back to Mexico.

I still have family in Seguin since he was a Tejano.

Life is art.
-mao

Zat--
from the link on San Jacinto--


Not only did the US get Texas but also New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, California, Utah and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado and Wyoming.

All of that with 18 minutes of battle.

The same amount of time to make a box of Mac & Cheese!


"It was wrong to shoot these guys in the back. Period."

Posted by califchris

Fine.

Stay In California.
Please.

The only time it was really fun was when I visited family on Belvedere.

www.houstonendowment.org

Her place in Houston was cooler, but it was the allergies.

"Her place in Houston was cooler, but it was the allergies."

Posted by Zatoichi


But the Belvedere digs ...

There was a view of the Bridge from every room.


Eat your tiny little hearts out.


I'll top that tomorrow.

Stay In California.
Please.

Because I said it's not right to shoot anyone in the back? I see you missed the entire rest of my 7:24 p.m. post where I wrote this "...Texas jury of law abiding citizens..." and went on to exonerate them for finding Horn not guilty and gave the reasons why. sheesh.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov

It's glowing; The sky.

"Here in Texas we are sorry we ever joined the union."

So is the rest of the country.

"Here in Texas we are sorry we ever joined the union."

So is the rest of the country.

As a Texan you can't convince me of that. The 'rest of the country' is moving here in droves. I wish they would go away.

It's glowing; The sky.

Spud used to know this guy who took waaay too much acid back in the seventies. His name was Ray and everybody called him Cosmic Ray.

Nice pics.

The shot of the Crab Nebula looks like an evil alien entity from the old Star Trek show.

Why Yes, Spud did just get back from a massive *DB* why do you ask?

^_^

Be Well.

This thread got me thinking of an old song lyric and I just remembered it.
www.mp3lyrics.org

The Blues Brothers singing "I Don't Know."

"...Wake up one of these days, find your own self dead..."

"this guy who took waaay too much acid back in the seventies"

50 years too late.

Nite.

Signed,
The 0.000001% who will conquer it all.

We visit occasionally to check up on our investments

i179.photobucket.com


If he had blown away white people, there would not have been any discussion at all. Just some good old Texas justice. Seeing as they are of color it is automatically racism. Get over it. As soon as people of color stop committing most of the crimes, then they will not be shot committing crimes. 2 down, 20 million to go.

Posted by obamabinladan

Even though I am reluctant to give credence to this load of shit, he does make a good point. If they were white we wouldn't be having this conversation because it wouldn't be news.

Just like jacksons famous soliloguy about obamas nuts. If don imus had said that everybody would be pissing all over themselves.

Lipzoidal-
re:"If they were white we wouldn't be having this conversation because it wouldn't be news."

You're right. He probably wouldn't have shot them. As your new hero stated, "2 down, 20 million to go."

Have you ever seen the crab nebula through a 16" SCT? It's beautiful.

When the star that created the crab nebula went nova in 1054, it was recorded by all the major cultures of the world. It probably shone between mag -7 and -4.5 for a couple of months. Venus, the brightest thing in the sky next to the sun and the moon is ~ mag -4. Each lower order of magnitude is 10x brighter than the previous. So that supernova was thousands of times brighter than Venus and was easily visible in the day time sky for several days. Then nebula itself afterwards was visible naked eye for about 2 years.

Why don't these things happen in my lifetime? *sigh* Well, I did get Comets Hyakutake (spanned 120 degrees of the sky for a whil) in 1995 and Hale Bopp the next year.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-07-17 08:07 PM |

Awww, I miss Max. Dang those Violin Spiders.

"Have you ever seen the crab nebula through a 16" SCT? It's beautiful."

Try the Hubble.


But seeing the rings of Saturn with my 4" Gilbert AT 7 ... that was 1957 on the ranch.

Now I see stuff no one else has ever seen every day.

What fun.

I can see you now.

Stop! You'll go blind!

I can see you now.

Stop! You'll go blind!

This isn't the first time you've said that. It must be fun watching me. Personally if I had magic eyes, they'd be focused on Jennifer Anniston. But to each his own.

'That said, these two were hardly "petty criminals."'

As I said before, Horn had no idea who they were.

"As a Texan you can't convince me of that. The 'rest of the country' is moving here in droves. I wish they would go away."

Alot of people think "everyone" is moving to their neck of woods and they aren't all in Texas.

I'd say the rest of the country is as enamored with y'all as you seem to be with yourselves.

These men were common criminals. Why does anyone think twice about their execution?

"Why does anyone think twice about their execution?"

Because not everyone is a sheltered little half queer who has never been friends with a one time common criminal.

Your response makes no sense. Answer the question intelligently.

Saturn sets a couple of hours after sundown lately. When I was home lastweek, I held a sidewalk astronomy sessino for the neighbors with my 10" newtonian. It is so cool to see the wonder in a child's eyes when he sees saturn.

My pun machine was in full operating mode at 6:18pm. What a crowd. I tell ya, I get no respect. No respect at all.

'Why just last week I told my psychiatrist, "I keep thinking about suicide." He told me from now on I have to pay in advance.'

'I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.'

And Mrs Oohrah... 'One time I went to a hotel. I asked the bellhop to handle my bag. He felt up my wife!'

'Before her, my girlfriend was so ugly, they used her in prisons to cure sex offenders.'

'I tell ya... my sex life... during sex my wife always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel.'

'I was tired one night and I went to the bar to have a few drinks. The bartender asked me, "What'll you have?" I said, "Surprise me." He showed me a naked picture of my wife.'

joecasaletto.com

We now resume your regular programming... already in progress.



" It is so cool to see the wonder in a child's eyes when he sees saturn." - GOAT

I bet he really gets a charge out of seeing the rings around Uranus.

G'night. Please tip your wait staff and drive safely...

"Your response makes no sense. Answer the question intelligently."

Ask an intelligent question first.


Why do you worry yourself over the execution of common criminals?

I bet he really gets a charge out of seeing the rings around Uranus.

My telescope cannot pick them up. In fact, no terrestrial 'scope can. The rings around Uranus and Neptune were unknown until the Hubble found them.

law and order types, bleh

most right wingers have contempt for the police

they support the actions of Joe Horn who was told repeatedly and emphatically by a police officer to stay inside his home.

Two bad men are dead. They will no longer plague society. And society will not need to pay for a trial or incarceration.

What am I failing to understand?

"What am I failing to understand?"

Horn had no idea if they were career criminals or two drunk young men who took a dare. Nor did he care. Not everyone who has ever broken into a house and took something is a "bad man" who deserves to be shot in the back. If you don't know anyone who this applies to, you are a very sheltered person and in the minority. This is why in most civilized places, burglary is not a capital crime. Joe Horn didn't shoot those guys because they were bad men. He did it because he could.

And no, I have never broke into a house and stole something.

I agree that Mr. Horn did not know the background of the men he shot dead. However it turns out that indeed they were common criminals. There has been no miscarriage of justice in this case.

"I agree that Mr. Horn did not know the background of the men he shot dead. However it turns out that indeed they were common criminals."

Knowing he had little idea who he was shooting, you can't judge his actions by whether the people were "common criminals" or not. You have to judge his actions based on the information he had to work with at the time.

I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. If the end result is just, then NO HARM NO FOUL.

You pussies have seen too many cowboy movies about how it is wrong to shoot people in the back. Obviously you have not been in combat or on ambush patrol. Believe me, we shot them any way they were coming or going and then made sure they were not getting up. Joe Horn did the same thing.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-07-17 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

You clowns still whine about Kerry shooting an enemy in the back in Vietnam, but it's ok in the neighborhood?

The really good news is that if you come into my home in texas and rob me and my family and make us feel threatened, we can blow you away. Life is good and it is fair.

"If the end result is just, then NO HARM NO FOUL."


If tomorrow, someone breaks into Joe Horn's neighbor's house and he runs out and tries to shotgun them in the back but instead hits someone else, the jury should find him innocent, right?

Per the prior decision, he was just trying to do the right thing and shotgun a burglar in the back. You can't hold him accountable for an accident. He's just an old man doing the best he can. But the person who got shot by mistake, if he lives, may think there was some harm done.

This is why in most courtrooms, "No harm, no foul" is not considered a sensible arguement. I guarantee you that isn't even an arguement Horn's lawyer used.

I believe that what Horn did was legal where he did it, by the way. And I believe that if the next time he misses and hits someone else, he should be found innocent because that is the law.

I just think that is fucked up.

have you read the law? do you have any idea how many states have a "castle" law?

If a man takes it upon himself to make a life or death decision he has an obligation to be correct. If he is incorrect he must pay the consequences.

Had Mr. Horn been mistaken in his belief that the two men were criminals then he should be punished accordingly. He would have been wrong and taken irreversible lethal action.

Yet he was not wrong. His evaluation was correct. His evaluation was correct.

As a Texan you can't convince me of that. The 'rest of the country' is moving here in droves.

All because of the First Rule of Plumbing.

allah, you have no idea what you are talking about. you are just spewing words

COMMONSENSE

The only people Kerry shot in Vietnam were civilians. He put himself in for 3 purple hearts because of three little scratches and then went home after 3 months, while the rest of us served our 13 months. Kerry went to Washinhgton DC, threw some fake medals over a fence, mispronounced Ghengis Khan and then told lies about his fellow soldiers. He was a coward and a disgrace.

Georgeisadrunk: Why do you say that? I understand Sullys disagreement with my view. He intelligently is arguing that since Mr. Horn did not know for certain that the men he was shooting were common criminals it is wrong for him to have been so presumptuous. It is another way of stating that the ends do not justify the means.

I disagree. My belief is that he is within rights to make a life or death decision of this type so long as he is obliged to face the consequences if he is mistaken.

Let the Punishment fit the Crime???

So the premise of this case is that if someone steals something from you or from someone you know (and that can be money or civil rights) then you can "legally" shoot them down dead? This of course must also now apply to shooting down bank managers,insurance,real estate and IRS agents,doctors,dentists,police
men,plumbers,tow truck drivers,casino operators,presidents and vice presidents etc.

This shoot-em-down-dead precedent means a lot of people should now be on the run,if they know whats good for them especially those a-holes on the phony Extendz tv commercials!

On the other side of the ledger Joe Horn cost Texas a helluva lot more than the purportedly $3.000 those thieves stole,not only in police and coroner's investigations (and bad press) but in paying to bury these two indigent crooks.So if Joe Horn is a hero to some he definitely isn't to the taxpayers of Texas especially considering the police would have nabbed these guys anyway and their loot would have been returned.

Lets face it Joe Horn is just a gutless "Cheap Shot" artist and his fans are cut from the same cowardly cloth!

On the other side of the ledger Joe Horn cost Texas a helluva lot more than the purportedly $3.000 those thieves stole

One of whom had been incarcerated, and deported, and then came back to rob again. What did that cost; and what would it have cost to prosecute and incarcerate both of those clowns?

I mean if you want to put this on a cost basis, you lose.

Two common criminals are dead. They were killed while engaging in a crime. Anticadillac, why does that upset you?

"Lets face it Joe Horn is just a gutless "Cheap Shot" artist and his fans are cut from the same cowardly cloth!"

Well what do you expect? This is the No. 1 state in executions.

AC--

These two guys were thought to be doing many many crimes in the area hitting Asians and other illegal immigrants.

There are countless true stories of people protecting themselves and their property from perceived evil.


But Horn was not indicted and probably the jury did nullify the entire situation.

Horn said he was scared they were coming for him--

He is no hero--wrong word..

"Had Mr. Horn been mistaken in his belief that the two men were criminals then he should be punished accordingly."

So shoot first, and we'll praise/condemn later? There were absolutely no other possible considerations prior to pulling that trigger in THIS situation?

This was not a life or death situation for Joe Horn or his neighbor. And Joe was fully aware of that fact.

Horn's perception was he was in danger.

On the other side of the ledger Joe Horn cost Texas a helluva lot more than the purportedly $3.000 those thieves stole.

Got news for you. One of those illegal alien theives knocked up one of his girlfriends while he was here again illegally in our country (as he had re-entered after already having been deported once before) and she popped out his achor baby just a few days after he died. GUESS WHO gets to pay for his illegitimate anchor baby's schooling, food stamps, health care, day care, and all the other freebies his kid gets until he is 18? American taxpayers, that's who. I guarantee you it will cost us way more than $3000 not to count how many other anchor babies he would have foisted on us to take care of.

SteamingPile, the point I am attempting to make is that a man in this situation must make a decision. It is not simply "shoot first" and evaluate later. It is evaluate first, make a decision and accept the consequences of that decision. If he is going to use lethal force it is his responsibility to be correct in his evaluation of the situation. If he is wrong, he must pay the consequences.

In this case Mr. Horn was correct. The two men were criminals. Thieves with no respect for others. Their deaths were justified.

Horn didn't know if these two theives were armed or not. NONE of the anti-Joe Horn people on this thread can seem to answer my question asked 3 times: Were either of the two dead guys armed or not?

Allahakbar-
I agree with you right up to shooting someone running away.

Let me qualify that. I've heard much I disagree with.

He shot two men in the back.

Don't hold this guy up as some kind of hero.

BetelG - I understand that it is disturbing that the two thieves were shot in the back. I do not have a problem with it. But I understand why others might.

Question is, "Should we shoot first, and who gives a fuck about what comes next?"

When you shot that clown, did you feel threatened, or did you think that someone else's life was in danger? If Joe Horn were honest, he'd say "no."

Joe didn't know if these guys were career criminals, neighborhood kids drunk or high running on a dare, some fuck from Mexifornia who impregnated every white bitch he ever caught a whiff of, or any fucking thing. He was instructed to stand down, and he calmly, with his own non-threatened, fucked-up wits about him, did the opposite.

CC-
I've heard no mention that they were armed. Have you?

Allah-
In my house I might shoot a burglar walking away, or in any position. The man who got his gun, went outside,(he said he was going to kill them to the dispatcher) and then shot two petty thieves in the back was no hero.

I don't care what you call him, if he was right or wrong or whatever. The world has 2 fewer criminals than before he shot them. That is a good thing

BetelG - I do not use the word hero to describe Mr. Horn. But I do not condemn his actions either. He made an evaluation and acted on it.

I think we both understand what the other is saying.

Allah and Goatman-
I would hope for jury leniency if I did something so reckless. A part of me is glad he got it. But the man was out for blood, and he took it with malice and calculation.

Why do you worry yourself over the execution of common criminals?

Posted by allahakbar at 2008-07-17 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag

Because theft isn't a capital offense.

Were either of the two dead guys armed or not?

~CC

Joe Horn, in the 911 call, sed he didn't know if they were armed but that they broke into the house next door with a crowbar.

He sed they came on his property after exiting his neighbours house with about 2,000 dollars in cash and prizes.

He shot them after they made "lunging motions".

In short, they were unarmed and shot in the back.

The only really serious mitigating factor that Spud can see here is that Horn claimed they were on his property when shot.

If true then his claim of self defense would have at least some merit.

Spud hasn't seen any evidence either promoting or denying this aspect of the case.

If they weren't on his property then it was obviously cold blooded murder.

Be Well.

BechtelG

CC-
I've heard no mention that they were armed. Have you?

I decided to look it up just now to know for sure. After reading this I'm even more on Horn's side. I didn't know these two guys had ignored Horn's order for them to freeze. Some of this info from the detective -- new to me until now -- exonerate Horn as far as I'm concerned. I hadn't known all the facts before. And don't forget -- this all came down in a matter of seconds.

Read the whole thing.

From the Houston Chronicle:

Corbett said the plainclothes detective, whose name has not been released, had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call. He saw the men between Horn's house and his neighbor's before they crossed into Horn's front yard.

Corbett believes neither Horn nor the men knew a police officer was present.

"It was over within seconds. The detective never had time to say anything before the shots were fired," Corbett said. "At first, the officer was assessing the situation. Then he was worried Horn might mistake him for the 'wheel man' (get-away driver). He ducked at one point."

When Horn confronted the suspects in his yard, he raised his shotgun to his shoulder, Corbett said. However the men ignored his order to freeze.

Corbett said one man ran toward Horn, but had angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb.

"The detective confirmed that this suspect was actually closer to Horn after he initiated his run than at the time when first confronted," said Corbett. "Horn said he felt in jeopardy."

Neither of the deceased carried a gun.

Neither suspect was armed, but one had a "center punch," a 6-inch pointed metal tool, in his pocket that might be used as a weapon, authorities said.

Also, they were carrying a sack filled with more than $2,000 in cash and assorted jewelry believed taken in the burglary, police said....

Why do you worry yourself over the execution of common criminals?

Posted by allahakbar at 2008-07-17 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag

Because theft isn't a capital offense.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-07-17 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

To play on a Cheney quote regarding deficits and Reagan, "Bush taught us that laws don't matter".

"Neither of the deceased carried a gun.

Neither suspect was armed, but one had a "center punch," a 6-inch pointed metal tool, in his pocket that might be used as a weapon, authorities said."

Yes, the murder and assault weapon of choice among those in the know. A "center-punch", which those not from the barrio might not know is commonly referred to as the "Mexican nukuler".

They were shot in the back, folks.

BechtelG

They were shot in the back.

He wasn't intentionally shot in the back while running away. He "angled his body" to turn to run and the bullets caught him as he turned his body. He was heading towards Horn when Horn shot him. That means when Horn fired he was coming at Horn straight on. Tell me you'd do any different in a situation that tension-charged.

I don't know a lot about guns and never fired one but wouldn't the bullets from a shot gun spray? How can you be so precise as to seconds and spraying bullets? Why are you also so hyped on frying Horn and instead trying to make these two scumbags look like Boy Scouts. That's why I could never be a liberal. I'm too much a "law and order" type.

Heres the proof from the article again:

"Corbett said one man ran toward Horn, but had angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb...."


The reason we need heros like Joe Horn patrolling our streets with his shotgun and shooting criminals in the back is that the police and prosecutors hands are tied by technicalities, lib judges, and the ACLU. Prisons are country clubs and paroll boards let hardened criminals out to rob, rape, and kill. There is such chaos that we need vigilantes like Joe Horn. Keep up the good work, Joe.

FW-
re: "The reason we need heros like Joe Horn patrolling our streets with his shotgun and shooting criminals in the back is that the police and prosecutors hands are tied by technicalities, lib judges, and the ACLU. Prisons are country clubs and paroll boards let hardened criminals out to rob, rape, and kill."

Yeah, I think we all love those edgy forensic dramas on the TV. Thanks for providing your rare and extensive expertise on crime.

"technicalities, lib judges, and the ACLU."

Those meddling kids and their insufferable Constitution!!!!!

TOO BAD the justice system failed these 2 criminals...if the criminals were sentencesd properly...none of this would ever have happened

BETELGUESE,

Bleeding heart libs like you are responsible for these two dead men. You should be proud.

Corbett said one man ran toward Horn, but had angled away from him toward the street.

He went both towards Horn and towards the street?

he was shot in the back just before reaching the curb

Read that "Still on Horns property"

Spud is recall the old theory about how if you shoot a burglar who's crawled half way into yer window you should drag him all the way in before you calls the police.

He ducked at one point

It lasted "only seconds" and he "ducked at one point"?

Nice witness.

Still if these thieving idjits did actually leave the crime scene and enter Horn's property then it was legitimate self defense.

Spud just can't get over the feeling that the police have sympathised in Joe's case here so they might have wrote the reports and bent the evidence in such a way as to get Joe's off of any charges.

The whole 'shot in the back' thing just doesn't seem to fit the rest of the evidence.

Why are you also so hyped on frying Horn and instead trying to make these two scumbags look like Boy Scouts

Nobody's trying to make these two thieves into Boy Scouts just trying to say that Joe Horn aint a hero and may well be a murderer.

Murderer is worse than Thief.

No Boy Scouts here.

No Heroes either.

Be Well.

but the deaths of these two criminals will remind other criminals on how dangerous their life style is....you just never know what somebody will do when faced with harden criminals

all you have to do is turn on the TV and watch Cops...or Caught on TV...you will see how reckless most criminals are....and how criminals will do about anything to get away with a crime....i think people need a reminder once in awhile how dangerous criminals are...and dangerous on how criminals could be

Judas-
You may yet get your chance to shoot someone in the back...maybe even a twofer. You're are still young, so don't despair.

Tater

Still if these thieving idjits did actually leave the crime scene and enter Horn's property then it was legitimate self defense.

Below is the first paragraph of the quote in my 10:44.
It is sworn testimony by the detective at the scene.

Ready to eat your words?

Corbett said the plainclothes detective, whose name has not been released, had parked in front of Horn's house in response to the 911 call. He saw the men between Horn's house and his neighbor's before they crossed into Horn's front yard.

These two guys had entered on to Horn's front yard and were on his property. I take the detective's word for it.

unFwthomable: Bleeding heart libs like you are responsible for these two dead men

Joe Horn is a bleeding heart Dem all of a sudden?

You should be proud

Spud is, inordinately proud, in fact, of his collection of comic books and tee-shirts with funny sayings on them.

You, FuckWit Thom, otoh, should be certified.

Yer a total loon, do you know that?

Be Well.

"all you have to do is turn on the TV and watch Cops...or Caught on TV...you will see how reckless most criminals are....and how criminals will do about anything to get away with a crime....i think people need a reminder once in awhile how dangerous criminals are...and dangerous on how criminals could be

Posted by judas at 2008-07-17 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:"

Yes, thank you for your research. You stand on the shoulders of giants.

I take the detective's word for it.

That's the difference tween you and Spud then.

Spud would prefer an honest look at the evidence to trusting an undercover police officer who responded to a burglary call by parking in front of Horns house w/o use of siren and then shortly after hiding under the dash.

Be Well.

BET....well if by me owning a gun makes a criminals job harder and more dangerous....SO BE IT

Legally Kill your IRS Agent!!!

So if Joe Horn (or one of his neighbours) gets ripped off by a plumber,a bank,a casino or the IRS and Mr.Horn takes the initiative (umbrage) and goes and shoots dead a representative of one of those crooks,will he also be legally vindicated there of murder? If you support Joe Horn's previous action you again have to vote yes!!!

I take the detective's word for it.

That's the difference tween you and Spud then.

Be honest with us, spud. If the cop had testified that the perps never entered Horn's yard, would you take his word then and be using it as a point in the debate?

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling you would be.

Those wacky Texans. If it's not shooting people in the back it's dragging negroes to death. And in between, there's always an execution to look forward to.

Nullifidian

Now I know inside you beats the heart of a cowboy. You'd be the first to wear a Stetson and boots if you moved to Texas.


(Guess I better quit while I'm ahead or you won't give me any more computer help when I need it. *grin*)

And in between, there's always an execution to look forward to.

What's to look forward to? They are behind closed doors and done with lethal injection. Watch your spouse or friend fall asleep. Looks just the same. We need public hangings again. Maybe even a few draw and quarterings for the really nasty crimes like knocking over a liquor store.

You'd be the first to wear a Stetson and boots if you moved to Texas.

He would be, too, and would stick out like all the other texas wannabe poser dime-store cowboys who don't take their hats off when inside.

Be honest with us, spud. If the cop had testified that the perps never entered Horn's yard, would you take his word then and be using it as a point in the debate?

~Goat.

Spud always prefers physical evidence to eyewitness testimony.

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling you would be.

You would be wrong, Spud had a feeling you would be.

That sed, Spud can posit a scenario in which the cop tries to shade testimony and evidence in order to protect Horn's ass but not so much a scenario wherein he has the desire to protect the burglars rights.

Can you?

^_^

Be Well.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas, Chris.

Spud always prefers physical evidence to eyewitness testimony.

We all prefer that, of course. That goes without saying. But in lieu of that, an eyewitness report has to do.

That sed, Spud can posit a scenario in which the cop tries to shade testimony and evidence in order to protect Horn's ass but not so much a scenario wherein he has the desire to protect the burglars rights.

I can too. So what? That does not automatically put the officer's word in doubt. If there is evidence that this cop has fudged evidence in the past or has been caught lying on reports he has filed, I would indeed question his testimony. But just as I feel people are innocent until proven guilty, I feel a mans word is good until he is proven a liar.

You would be wrong, Spud had a feeling you would be.

If you feel that distrusting someone for no other reason than "well, he might have" or "well, he could have" makes me wrong, then color me wrong.

What an irony here. It is the liberal who will not give an honest man the benefit of the doubt and assumes he is lying.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas

Whew. That's a relief.

He would be, too, and would stick out like all the other texas wannabe poser dime-store cowboys

Reckon ole Bill would be the guy in the rattlesnake boots with the pheasant's ass plastered on the front of his hat hanging out near the door to the ladies' room?

"Howdy."


You couldn't pay me enough to live in Texas, Chris.

Posted by nullifidian


Alabama - If you're gonna play in Texas

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If you feel that distrusting someone for no other reason than "well, he might have" or "well, he could have" makes me wrong, then color me wrong.

Might have? Could have?

Opportunity.

Joe Horn is a hero to elements on the right.

Motive.

If you feel that not questioning the truthiness of the officers story when there are reasons to suspect a coverup is being overly naive and ultimately unsafe.

You wanna let this slide because you essentially approve of Joe's actions.

Spud wants to make sure it was investigated properly most prolly because Spud doesn't agree with Joe's actions and also cos Spud doesn't buy into vigilanteism as a legitimate practise.

What an irony here. It is the liberal who will not give an honest man the benefit of the doubt and assumes he is lying.

How predictable, it's the conservative who refuses to ask the tough questions and is content with the official story.

The Sgt Schultzes of blogworld.

Be Well.

I trust a man's word until he is proven a liar.

You commit crimes long enough you either get locked up or killed. Can't feel sorry for these guys.

That sed, Spud can posit a scenario in which the cop tries to shade testimony and evidence in order to protect Horn's ass

Well, I can posit a scenario that concludes vests have no sleeves for the simply because aardarks tend to split their infinitives.

Doing so doesn't really make any kind of point---other than the fact that I might just be a jabbering fucking idiot.

In the mean time, Spud, your atrociously pussified and fucked up country is putting journalists on trial for simply writing things that "offend" the subhuman shit that constitutes the Islamofascist segment of your population.

www.macleans.ca

www.steynonline.com

That's why I find it so funny when a kiddie-fiddling commie fuck like yourself feels impelled to comment upon the social "horror" of a couple of thieving fucks getting exactly what they deserved.

Especially when the really spooky, fascist shit is going on in your shithole.

Joe Horn is a hero to elements on the right.

Ok, so now we have two assumptions: Assumption 1)The cop is is a right winger. Assumption 2) And since he is a right winger, he is willing to lose his career by lying on a police report to make a perfect stranger into a hero.

Is this the way things work in Canada? Here in the US we assume a man's word is good until he is proven a liar. The people with brains do not make assumptions on poltical party affiliations, either.

Motive.

Which is? Oh yeah, he wanted to make a perfect stranger he had never met look like a hero, and it was worth risking his career and pension to do so.

All righty, then.

If you feel that not questioning the truthiness of the officers story when there are reasons to suspect a coverup

???

This is an angle I have not heard. Tell me more about the reasons for a coverup. It hasn't been mentioned in the presses.

Joe Horny - My Home's In Alabama, not Texas, Mao!

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I'm sorry. If the state of Texas can not execute a man for burglary, neither can Mr. Horn. The last thing this society needs is a bunch of Bernard Goetz-wannabeez running around